Baraat Propaganda
Baraat Propaganda
This is absolutely disgusting. It seems that the masterminds of DBNET have already started 'spinning the wheels of propaganda'.
WIth the Mazoon now a semi glorified Thug, there will no doubt be several cases of baraat issued. DBnet's Admin seem to have taken one of the first steps, in trying to actually JUSTIFY the whole concept by sending out an article similar to the propaganda sent out by North Korea in the 60's - Kim-Jong-Il Fashion.
"Forget about your god given 'AQL' - we'll do the deciding/thinking/living/planning/dying/ for you" is all it's saying.
Eyaka naabudoo wa eeyaka nasta'een - May Allah help us all see the forest from the trees.
Come on Br Qiyam! - Bring it on!
----- Original Message -----
From: "DBNet Admin" <help@mumineen.org>
To: <dawoodi-bohras@mumineen.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 4:07 AM
Subject: [DEEN] Bara'at
> Bara'at
> Mulla Mustafa Shaikh Dawood
> http://archive.mumineen.org/deen/
>
> Allah t'aala writes in Al-Qur'an:
> "Already He has sent word to you in The Book, that when you hear the
> signs of Allah disbelieved and held in ridicule, you should not sit with
> them unless they enter into a different discussion; surely then (if you did
> sit with them) you would be like them; surely Allah will collect the
> hypocrites and defiers of faith in hell. "4:140
>
> The 5th Da`ii, Syedna Ali (r.a.) explains this aayat (verse) by saying that
> 'the holding of the signs of Allah in ridicule' is to vilify Allah's chosen
> people and His deen, and if a Mumin socialises with them, he will develop
> an affinity with them which will lead him to hell.
>
> Allah t`aala states further:
> "And incline not towards those who do wrong lest the Fire sieze you...
> "11:113
>
> Syedna Al-Qaadi al-Nu`maan (r.a.) explains that those who do wrong means
> those who are the enemies of the Awliya of Allah, and it is necessary for
> Mumineen to practice bara'at with such people to avoid Fire seizing you.
>
> Bara'at is the other side to the coin of walayat - one is not complete
> without the other. To become barii means to make oneself free or clean of
> something and bara'at is a dissociation from those people or elements that
> would corrupt or pollute one's faith and conviction.
>
> Conceptually and practically baraat entails a total and utter cutting of
> ties, communication and any form of interaction with those persons who
> harbour an enmity to the subject of our walayat; Aqamola (tus) and
> everything he represents.
>
> Bara'at has to be maintained at many levels and includes abstaining from
> even merely listening or reading the words of such people. One doesn't pick
> up a bottle of wine for any reason, one doesn't touch a packet of pork - we
> are disgusted by it - similarly one doesn't listen or read their words
> because they are no less abhorrent.
>
> The words of the munafiq come in many garbs and guises but, like all those
> who are dishonest, the outward appearance will rarely reflect the truth of
> their intentions. It is not merely poetry to say that they are snakelike -
> soft on the outside but harbouring the same deadly venom within.One need
> only to look carefully at the story of Adam nabi to see how.
>
> They may tell you they are there to help and answer your questions, this
> mere claim being designed to imply that it is not possible to find those
> answers within the official realms of D`awat. They have one aim and one aim
> only - the same aim of Shaitaan (l.a.) himself as he was being cast out
> from paradise when he proclaimed he would lead mankind astray.
>
> Many of us want answers to our questions and truly we should go seeking
> them. But does that mean looking for them in the wrong places? When the
> only aim is to disprove and slur the truth how is it possible that the
> innocent will find it there?
>
> Think for a moment what one says before Bismillah; "A'uuzo billahe
> mina-l-Shaitaan-il-rajeem" which means asking Allah for sanctuary from
> Shaitaan, the asking for sanctuary comes first then the Bismillah...
> Similarly walayat for the pure has to be prefaced by bara'at from the impure.
>
> Bara'at is essential - for the protection of those that still require
> knowledge for their firmness of conviction and for the continued wellbeing
> of those who have acquired such conviction. This bara'at entails total
> abstinence from the words and invitations of munafiqeen in whatever form
> they may take - be it the printed word or electronic media or the rumours
> that creep in from the fringes of jamaats.
>
> Bara'at is as integral to walaayat (faith and conviction in Rasulallah
> (s.a.), Molana Ali (a.s.), A'immat Tahereen (a.s.) and Duaat Mutlaqeen) as
> taharat is to namaaz and zakaat is to wealth or fasting is to the body. All
> are forms of purification without which the other is invalid.
>
> Bara'at is the other side of the coin of walayat - one side cannot possibly
> be shiny whilst the other side is dull.
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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> All mailing lists at DBNet only accept plain text email
> Visit http://www.mumineen.org/text.html to see how to configure your
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WIth the Mazoon now a semi glorified Thug, there will no doubt be several cases of baraat issued. DBnet's Admin seem to have taken one of the first steps, in trying to actually JUSTIFY the whole concept by sending out an article similar to the propaganda sent out by North Korea in the 60's - Kim-Jong-Il Fashion.
"Forget about your god given 'AQL' - we'll do the deciding/thinking/living/planning/dying/ for you" is all it's saying.
Eyaka naabudoo wa eeyaka nasta'een - May Allah help us all see the forest from the trees.
Come on Br Qiyam! - Bring it on!
----- Original Message -----
From: "DBNet Admin" <help@mumineen.org>
To: <dawoodi-bohras@mumineen.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 4:07 AM
Subject: [DEEN] Bara'at
> Bara'at
> Mulla Mustafa Shaikh Dawood
> http://archive.mumineen.org/deen/
>
> Allah t'aala writes in Al-Qur'an:
> "Already He has sent word to you in The Book, that when you hear the
> signs of Allah disbelieved and held in ridicule, you should not sit with
> them unless they enter into a different discussion; surely then (if you did
> sit with them) you would be like them; surely Allah will collect the
> hypocrites and defiers of faith in hell. "4:140
>
> The 5th Da`ii, Syedna Ali (r.a.) explains this aayat (verse) by saying that
> 'the holding of the signs of Allah in ridicule' is to vilify Allah's chosen
> people and His deen, and if a Mumin socialises with them, he will develop
> an affinity with them which will lead him to hell.
>
> Allah t`aala states further:
> "And incline not towards those who do wrong lest the Fire sieze you...
> "11:113
>
> Syedna Al-Qaadi al-Nu`maan (r.a.) explains that those who do wrong means
> those who are the enemies of the Awliya of Allah, and it is necessary for
> Mumineen to practice bara'at with such people to avoid Fire seizing you.
>
> Bara'at is the other side to the coin of walayat - one is not complete
> without the other. To become barii means to make oneself free or clean of
> something and bara'at is a dissociation from those people or elements that
> would corrupt or pollute one's faith and conviction.
>
> Conceptually and practically baraat entails a total and utter cutting of
> ties, communication and any form of interaction with those persons who
> harbour an enmity to the subject of our walayat; Aqamola (tus) and
> everything he represents.
>
> Bara'at has to be maintained at many levels and includes abstaining from
> even merely listening or reading the words of such people. One doesn't pick
> up a bottle of wine for any reason, one doesn't touch a packet of pork - we
> are disgusted by it - similarly one doesn't listen or read their words
> because they are no less abhorrent.
>
> The words of the munafiq come in many garbs and guises but, like all those
> who are dishonest, the outward appearance will rarely reflect the truth of
> their intentions. It is not merely poetry to say that they are snakelike -
> soft on the outside but harbouring the same deadly venom within.One need
> only to look carefully at the story of Adam nabi to see how.
>
> They may tell you they are there to help and answer your questions, this
> mere claim being designed to imply that it is not possible to find those
> answers within the official realms of D`awat. They have one aim and one aim
> only - the same aim of Shaitaan (l.a.) himself as he was being cast out
> from paradise when he proclaimed he would lead mankind astray.
>
> Many of us want answers to our questions and truly we should go seeking
> them. But does that mean looking for them in the wrong places? When the
> only aim is to disprove and slur the truth how is it possible that the
> innocent will find it there?
>
> Think for a moment what one says before Bismillah; "A'uuzo billahe
> mina-l-Shaitaan-il-rajeem" which means asking Allah for sanctuary from
> Shaitaan, the asking for sanctuary comes first then the Bismillah...
> Similarly walayat for the pure has to be prefaced by bara'at from the impure.
>
> Bara'at is essential - for the protection of those that still require
> knowledge for their firmness of conviction and for the continued wellbeing
> of those who have acquired such conviction. This bara'at entails total
> abstinence from the words and invitations of munafiqeen in whatever form
> they may take - be it the printed word or electronic media or the rumours
> that creep in from the fringes of jamaats.
>
> Bara'at is as integral to walaayat (faith and conviction in Rasulallah
> (s.a.), Molana Ali (a.s.), A'immat Tahereen (a.s.) and Duaat Mutlaqeen) as
> taharat is to namaaz and zakaat is to wealth or fasting is to the body. All
> are forms of purification without which the other is invalid.
>
> Bara'at is the other side of the coin of walayat - one side cannot possibly
> be shiny whilst the other side is dull.
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Dawoodi Bohra Net (DBNet) Mailing List - hosted on Mumineen.org
> All mailing lists at DBNet only accept plain text email
> Visit http://www.mumineen.org/text.html to see how to configure your
> mailer to be able to send email to mumineen.org servers
Re: Baraat Propaganda
ALLAH KARIM!
CLEARLY THE SACRELIGE IS EVIDENT IN THIS EMAIL ALSO FROM DBNET.
"Oh beloved maula, we beseech you to forgive us our sins"
ANY COMMENTS BR. QIYAM?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Husain J Shakir"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:53 PM
Subject: [DEEN] Singapore Shabab Izhaar of Aqeeda
> We, Abide Syedna, members of Shababuz-Eidiz-Zahabi of Singapore, humbly
> araz sajadaatus shukr for the many blessings and privileges showered upon
> us and the wealth of barakat of Imaan and ikhlaas. We are grateful to our
> maula for including us as his followers and bestowing on us to do khidmat
> of Daawat and rabbud Daawat (TUS).
>
> We the Shababuz Eidiz Zahabi, Singapore assure and affirm in Hazrat Aliya,
> our unyielding aqeeda that we are with our maula, Syedna Mohammed
> Burhanuddin (TUS). We affirm that Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, The 52nd
> Dai-ul Mutlaq is the true and only vicegrant of Imaam-uz-zamaan here on
> Earth during this time. Maula, we separate ourselves from those evil forces
> who would lead us astray. We will not hesitate to relinquish all ties with
> those who would even think ill of our beloved Aqa Maula.
>
> Oh beloved maula, we beseech you to forgive us our sins weather intentional
> or unintentional. We plead with our maula to always keep us within the safe
> sanctuary of his qadam mubarak that we, our children, their children and
> our generations to come may continue to be devoted to our maula with our
> all.
>
> May Allah grant our Maula, Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb long life,
> health and happiness, ta rozay qiyaamat in the khidmat of Imam uz'zamaan
> and us in the khidmat of our Maula. Ameen.
>
>
>
>
> Abide Syedna (TUS)
> Shababuz Eidiz Zahabi,
> Singapore
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
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> All mailing lists at DBNet only accept plain text email
> Visit http://www.mumineen.org/text.html to see how to configure your
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>
CLEARLY THE SACRELIGE IS EVIDENT IN THIS EMAIL ALSO FROM DBNET.
"Oh beloved maula, we beseech you to forgive us our sins"
ANY COMMENTS BR. QIYAM?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Husain J Shakir"
To:
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 1:53 PM
Subject: [DEEN] Singapore Shabab Izhaar of Aqeeda
> We, Abide Syedna, members of Shababuz-Eidiz-Zahabi of Singapore, humbly
> araz sajadaatus shukr for the many blessings and privileges showered upon
> us and the wealth of barakat of Imaan and ikhlaas. We are grateful to our
> maula for including us as his followers and bestowing on us to do khidmat
> of Daawat and rabbud Daawat (TUS).
>
> We the Shababuz Eidiz Zahabi, Singapore assure and affirm in Hazrat Aliya,
> our unyielding aqeeda that we are with our maula, Syedna Mohammed
> Burhanuddin (TUS). We affirm that Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, The 52nd
> Dai-ul Mutlaq is the true and only vicegrant of Imaam-uz-zamaan here on
> Earth during this time. Maula, we separate ourselves from those evil forces
> who would lead us astray. We will not hesitate to relinquish all ties with
> those who would even think ill of our beloved Aqa Maula.
>
> Oh beloved maula, we beseech you to forgive us our sins weather intentional
> or unintentional. We plead with our maula to always keep us within the safe
> sanctuary of his qadam mubarak that we, our children, their children and
> our generations to come may continue to be devoted to our maula with our
> all.
>
> May Allah grant our Maula, Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb long life,
> health and happiness, ta rozay qiyaamat in the khidmat of Imam uz'zamaan
> and us in the khidmat of our Maula. Ameen.
>
>
>
>
> Abide Syedna (TUS)
> Shababuz Eidiz Zahabi,
> Singapore
>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________
> Dawoodi Bohra Net (DBNet) Mailing List - hosted on Mumineen.org
> All mailing lists at DBNet only accept plain text email
> Visit http://www.mumineen.org/text.html to see how to configure your
> mailer to be able to send email to mumineen.org servers
>
Re: Baraat Propaganda
I fear for the mental health of the devotees. This masochism, this insistent desire for mental and physical self-flagellation, this smarmy language, this torrent of stock phrases empty of meaning, this constant bleating of sheep that they cannot have enough of fleecing, this shameless public display of self-humiliation...... God, what kind of religion is this!!!
Is this what Bohras/Muslims/Humans are supposed to be? Crushed and cowed. Where is the dignity and pride that make humans human? What kind of religion is this that turns human material into such unspeakable idiocy? What kind of spiritual leaders are these that turn their followers into such blabbering, salivating dimwits?
This can't be real. They can't be serious!
Now, I do not expect answers to this rhetorical - outburst???- It's difficult to contain oneself after reading these letters which - if anything - should cringe, and at the same time, stir every human soul.
All of this leads me to think of this popular verse: "woh bedardi se sar kaate, aur mien kanhoo ahistaa ahista" - now that should be the new kalima for the Bohra devotees (with due apologies to the poet).
Is this what Bohras/Muslims/Humans are supposed to be? Crushed and cowed. Where is the dignity and pride that make humans human? What kind of religion is this that turns human material into such unspeakable idiocy? What kind of spiritual leaders are these that turn their followers into such blabbering, salivating dimwits?
This can't be real. They can't be serious!
Now, I do not expect answers to this rhetorical - outburst???- It's difficult to contain oneself after reading these letters which - if anything - should cringe, and at the same time, stir every human soul.
All of this leads me to think of this popular verse: "woh bedardi se sar kaate, aur mien kanhoo ahistaa ahista" - now that should be the new kalima for the Bohra devotees (with due apologies to the poet).
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Re: Baraat Propaganda
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Qoute:
Oh beloved maula, we beseech you to forgive us our sins weather intentional or unintentional. We plead with our maula to always keep us within the safe sanctuary of his qadam mubarak that we, our children, their children and our generations to come may continue to be devoted to our maula with our all.
I Say SHIRK, SHIRK, SHIRK
What do you say Mulla qiyam?
Wasalaam
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Qoute:
Oh beloved maula, we beseech you to forgive us our sins weather intentional or unintentional. We plead with our maula to always keep us within the safe sanctuary of his qadam mubarak that we, our children, their children and our generations to come may continue to be devoted to our maula with our all.
I Say SHIRK, SHIRK, SHIRK
What do you say Mulla qiyam?
Wasalaam
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Re: Baraat Propaganda
Br MF
Mulla Qiyam (paid for his mulla title no doubt) will say nothing.
He has been told to "delete" such emails and internet propaganda.
Heres more hillarious propaganda from DBNET
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RESOLVE AND ACTION OF ABU DHABI MUMINEEN:
All mumineen resolved to be alert and cautious and not fall prey to the
vicious propaganda of these munafeqeen in various forms be it by email, or
handbills, or letters or cassettes.
It was resolved that right tonight the auspicious night of Urs mubarak of
Syedna Abdeali Saifuddin Aaqa mumineen will
incinerate/destroy/delete/trash/tear into pieces/discard immediately copies
of such propaganda that may have inadvertently crept in any mumin's house or
office by mail or email sent by munafeqeen. Also it was resolved that all
such propaganda material whatever source it comes from will be dealt with
forthright without any curiosity or anxiety. Emails will be deleted
/trashed without opening as if filled with "virus" that will not only
destroy one's computer but one's imaan and aqeedah. Even otherwise these
evil intended emails are "spam" as they call it in internet language and
their destiny is trashbin.
Mulla Qiyam (paid for his mulla title no doubt) will say nothing.
He has been told to "delete" such emails and internet propaganda.
Heres more hillarious propaganda from DBNET
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RESOLVE AND ACTION OF ABU DHABI MUMINEEN:
All mumineen resolved to be alert and cautious and not fall prey to the
vicious propaganda of these munafeqeen in various forms be it by email, or
handbills, or letters or cassettes.
It was resolved that right tonight the auspicious night of Urs mubarak of
Syedna Abdeali Saifuddin Aaqa mumineen will
incinerate/destroy/delete/trash/tear into pieces/discard immediately copies
of such propaganda that may have inadvertently crept in any mumin's house or
office by mail or email sent by munafeqeen. Also it was resolved that all
such propaganda material whatever source it comes from will be dealt with
forthright without any curiosity or anxiety. Emails will be deleted
/trashed without opening as if filled with "virus" that will not only
destroy one's computer but one's imaan and aqeedah. Even otherwise these
evil intended emails are "spam" as they call it in internet language and
their destiny is trashbin.
Re: Baraat Propaganda
at the rate we are going we will be the most backward if not allready community in the woporld , instead of occupying himself with royal soap operas maulana should be trying to get his followers into the 21st century .
Have anyy of you talked to bohras who have gone through the dawat system man they can't even hold a decent non religeous conversation.
Anyway this whole mazoom fiesco is all to do with money apperantly saifee mahel is in his name and he has questioned the spending of maulanas trigger happy sons.
hey guys should cut down on your pathethic hunting sprees.
Have anyy of you talked to bohras who have gone through the dawat system man they can't even hold a decent non religeous conversation.
Anyway this whole mazoom fiesco is all to do with money apperantly saifee mahel is in his name and he has questioned the spending of maulanas trigger happy sons.
hey guys should cut down on your pathethic hunting sprees.
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Re: Baraat Propaganda
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Br. qiyam
Please do not crawl into fox-hole and duck. Please tell us if some one says: " Oh beloved maula, we beseech you to forgive us our sins weather intentional", is not Shirk.
I am sure you can find a twisted meaning or qoute Quran or Mulla Simon can find a Hadith. My dear brother Anybody who goes by Abde Syedana, or does his Kadam Bosi or who believes that he can forgive sins is full of "KUFRA".
Let me Challange you:
That if any ‘Wasi’, or ‘Imam’ or ‘Dai’ comes to mankind and declares that he has been appointed by Allah Subhanah to ‘take care of people’ and guide them to the truth; then he has to be a confirmed liar! For no one other than the Prophets can come unto mankind and declare that they have been appointed as the Guides to the Siraat al Mustaqeem by Allah Subhanah.
Besides, where in the Glorious Quran does it say that there has to be a Nabi, or a Wasi, or an Imam, or a Dai, etc. at every single time in succession through the ages of time!
Allah Subhanah has revealed His Final Message and Last Testament in the form of the Glorious Quran; and sent His Last and Final Messenger in the person of the Last Prophet, Mohamed ar-Rasool Allah (saws) as a Mercy and Guidance until the end of time. The Quran and the Sunnah suffice for the guidance of the true believers, who sincerely believe in Allah and the Last Day. Those who, in their ignorance and arrogance, reject and deny these two sources of Truth and look for others to guide them are assured of nothing but misguidance!
Wasalaam
.
Br. qiyam
Please do not crawl into fox-hole and duck. Please tell us if some one says: " Oh beloved maula, we beseech you to forgive us our sins weather intentional", is not Shirk.
I am sure you can find a twisted meaning or qoute Quran or Mulla Simon can find a Hadith. My dear brother Anybody who goes by Abde Syedana, or does his Kadam Bosi or who believes that he can forgive sins is full of "KUFRA".
Let me Challange you:
That if any ‘Wasi’, or ‘Imam’ or ‘Dai’ comes to mankind and declares that he has been appointed by Allah Subhanah to ‘take care of people’ and guide them to the truth; then he has to be a confirmed liar! For no one other than the Prophets can come unto mankind and declare that they have been appointed as the Guides to the Siraat al Mustaqeem by Allah Subhanah.
Besides, where in the Glorious Quran does it say that there has to be a Nabi, or a Wasi, or an Imam, or a Dai, etc. at every single time in succession through the ages of time!
Allah Subhanah has revealed His Final Message and Last Testament in the form of the Glorious Quran; and sent His Last and Final Messenger in the person of the Last Prophet, Mohamed ar-Rasool Allah (saws) as a Mercy and Guidance until the end of time. The Quran and the Sunnah suffice for the guidance of the true believers, who sincerely believe in Allah and the Last Day. Those who, in their ignorance and arrogance, reject and deny these two sources of Truth and look for others to guide them are assured of nothing but misguidance!
Wasalaam
.
Re: Baraat Propaganda
Stop being a dumbass. Asking someone to forgive you is not "shirk".Please tell us if some one says: " Oh beloved maula, we beseech you to forgive us our sins weather intentional", is not Shirk.
You're confusing Kufr and Shirk, they are two different things. Kufr is literally covering up, that is covering up the truth about Islam. Shirk is associating partners with God. "Kufra" is a river in Libya.My dear brother Anybody who goes by Abde Syedana, or does his Kadam Bosi or who believes that he can forgive sins is full of "KUFRA".
Try and argue with reason rather than blurting out random words you don't even understand.
There is absolutely no basis to this statement. The Quran talks of Muhammad as the last Prophet, it has NOT indicated that guidance has stopped with him.For no one other than the Prophets can come unto mankind and declare that they have been appointed as the Guides to the Siraat al Mustaqeem by Allah Subhanah.
Let me "challange" you: Show me anywhere in the Quran or the 6 "sahih" hadith books where you are asked to follow "Sunnah" (I want specifically that Arabic word).The Quran and the Sunnah suffice for the guidance of the true believers, who sincerely believe in Allah and the Last Day. Those who, in their ignorance and arrogance, reject and deny these two sources of Truth and look for others to guide them are assured of nothing but misguidance!
Kufr, shirk, biddah. Peace.
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Re: Baraat Propaganda
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Br. Muslim
Read the following again:
" Oh beloved maula, we beseech you to forgive us our sins weather intentional" ,
Now what are they asking Maula to forgive? Intentional or intentional sins .
Here they are not asking forgivence from Maula for any offense against him. They are asking him to forgive their sins .
Am right that only Allah can forgive your sins? If I ask any human being to forgive sins then I am commiting Shirk. Is it true or not?
Wasalaam
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Br. Muslim
Read the following again:
" Oh beloved maula, we beseech you to forgive us our sins weather intentional" ,
Now what are they asking Maula to forgive? Intentional or intentional sins .
Here they are not asking forgivence from Maula for any offense against him. They are asking him to forgive their sins .
Am right that only Allah can forgive your sins? If I ask any human being to forgive sins then I am commiting Shirk. Is it true or not?
Wasalaam
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Re: Baraat Propaganda
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br. Muslim
6 Shahih are not the only sourses for Hadit from the Prophet SAW. There are other collections which also contain Ahadit which are graded Shahih.
Here is one:
The Messenger of Allah sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam when he said,
"Therefore, hold fast to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided Caliphs, hold it between your front teeth! And beware of innovations (in the religion), for every innovation is a bid'ah, and every bid'ah is a deviation, and every deviation is in the Fire." [Sahih Al-Jami ' As-Saghir, no. 2549]
I am sorry I do not have original Arabic of this Hadith.
Wasalaam
.
br. Muslim
6 Shahih are not the only sourses for Hadit from the Prophet SAW. There are other collections which also contain Ahadit which are graded Shahih.
Here is one:
The Messenger of Allah sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam when he said,
"Therefore, hold fast to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided Caliphs, hold it between your front teeth! And beware of innovations (in the religion), for every innovation is a bid'ah, and every bid'ah is a deviation, and every deviation is in the Fire." [Sahih Al-Jami ' As-Saghir, no. 2549]
I am sorry I do not have original Arabic of this Hadith.
Wasalaam
.
Re: Baraat Propaganda
Show me anywhere in the Quran or the 6 "sahih" hadith books where you are asked to follow "Sunnah" (I want specifically that Arabic word).
Suyuti's Jami al-Saghir which was written more than 250 years after the prophets death is not part of the 6 Sahih books. In fact, Suyuti has another sahih in the same book (volume 1 page 353) where he quotes the prophet asking us to follow "the Book of Allah, and my progeny, that is my Ahlul-Bayt," but that hadith is in Sahih Muslim, Sahih Tirmidhi, Musnad of Ibn Hanbal and a million other books but that doesn't matter.
Surely something as basic and as important as following sunnah should be SOMEWHERE in the Quran or the 6 most important Sunni hadith books?
That is my challenge to you. Find it.
Suyuti's Jami al-Saghir which was written more than 250 years after the prophets death is not part of the 6 Sahih books. In fact, Suyuti has another sahih in the same book (volume 1 page 353) where he quotes the prophet asking us to follow "the Book of Allah, and my progeny, that is my Ahlul-Bayt," but that hadith is in Sahih Muslim, Sahih Tirmidhi, Musnad of Ibn Hanbal and a million other books but that doesn't matter.
Surely something as basic and as important as following sunnah should be SOMEWHERE in the Quran or the 6 most important Sunni hadith books?
That is my challenge to you. Find it.
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33:38 and 33:62 both use the word Sunna to describe the "Way" or "Practice" approved by Allah.
Allah commands Muslims to cling to the "Way". Assuming that Muhammad was the pre-eminent example among those who followed the "Way", then it is reasonable to assume that Muhammad's "Way" is, in fact, Allah's "Way". And so, by implication at least, Allah commands Muslims to follow the Sunna as revealed to the Prophets, which is also the Sunna of Muhammad.
Allah commands Muslims to cling to the "Way". Assuming that Muhammad was the pre-eminent example among those who followed the "Way", then it is reasonable to assume that Muhammad's "Way" is, in fact, Allah's "Way". And so, by implication at least, Allah commands Muslims to follow the Sunna as revealed to the Prophets, which is also the Sunna of Muhammad.
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I would agree IF the Sunnah that is being propagated today was indeed Allah's Way but it is not. Most Muslims regard Allah’s Way (as documented in the Quran) to be distinct from the Prophet’s Sunna (as documented in the various hadith collections and seerahs). The Quran (it is believed) has been protected from corruption. The hadiths and seerahs are, however, largely forged, corrupt and unreliable.
The question remains, if the statement “follow Quran and Sunnah” is regarded as most fundamental in Islam then why is this statement non-existent in the Quran and the 6 important Sunni hadith books?
The question remains, if the statement “follow Quran and Sunnah” is regarded as most fundamental in Islam then why is this statement non-existent in the Quran and the 6 important Sunni hadith books?
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<I>"Therefore, hold fast to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided Caliphs, hold it between your front teeth! And beware of innovations (in the religion), for every innovation is a bid'ah, and every bid'ah is a deviation, and every deviation is in the Fire." [Sahih Al-Jami ' As-Saghir, no. 2549]</I>
Apart from the other contradicting hadith in the same book which I mentioned earlier, there are two further problems with this one.
Firstly, Umar himself introduced the bidah of changing the Fajr Azan and adding extra night prayers. How can such a man’s Sunnah be followed when he himself was master of bidah?
Secondly, it is recorded that after Umar’s death, the caliphate was offered to caliph Ali by Abdul-Rahman on condition that he followed his two predecessors’ Sunnah, and he refused the office saying that he would only follow the precedents of the Prophet. How could he have refused if it was a commandment of the Prophet?
The above hadith is therefore fabricated.
Apart from the other contradicting hadith in the same book which I mentioned earlier, there are two further problems with this one.
Firstly, Umar himself introduced the bidah of changing the Fajr Azan and adding extra night prayers. How can such a man’s Sunnah be followed when he himself was master of bidah?
Secondly, it is recorded that after Umar’s death, the caliphate was offered to caliph Ali by Abdul-Rahman on condition that he followed his two predecessors’ Sunnah, and he refused the office saying that he would only follow the precedents of the Prophet. How could he have refused if it was a commandment of the Prophet?
The above hadith is therefore fabricated.
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So, what is Allah's way?
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And if I don't know the Arabic of the Quran, and do not have the wherewithal to study it, then what?
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Focus my friends..these are interesting times. There is a revolt in the palace and we now have to see how it is dealt with.
There is one major change...we are now in the world of the Internet and the whole world (meaning bohoras all over the world) is listening, reading and watching without any intimidation. the question is how will they deal with this palace revolt in the world of the internet. It is for the first time that internal dissension is out in the open. It cannot be swept under the carpet anymore. The bottom line is how the booty amassed over the years in India from us poor followers under duress is going to be divided.
When dissension first occurred in India, we in Africa were far away and did not know anything about the battles fought with Adamji Pirbhai. These were colonial times. It is only recently by reading the "End of Colonialism" by Zarina Patel that I have inderstood what happened in India.
Then there was a revolt in East Africa in the 1960s with major confrontations in Uganda. Now when this was happenning people in India did not know.
In both these instances they stifled the opposisiotn by using Baraat as a weapon and using our uneducated mothers who did not want to stop going to "varas" to bring pressure to bear on their husbands and children to tow the line. Some courageous individuals were cowed.
Now a few things have changed. We have the dissemination of news instantly. There is no question of second versions.People directly involved or eye-witnesses can tell us what happenned e.g Engineer incident in Indore, Mazoon's treatment in Surat. Furthermore the Bohora diaspora is now in UK and North America and our women are schooled and more educated. The most important thing though is that one of their own (if he has not been poisoned yet) is spilling the beans form California..so they cannot blame it on the Dushman.So is this baraat going to work? Let us see. The wheels of power have started to churn..lets see what happens. Forget the debate about who can forgive or not. It is old story.. it is a crock of S...t. Watch my friends. These are interesting times.
There is one major change...we are now in the world of the Internet and the whole world (meaning bohoras all over the world) is listening, reading and watching without any intimidation. the question is how will they deal with this palace revolt in the world of the internet. It is for the first time that internal dissension is out in the open. It cannot be swept under the carpet anymore. The bottom line is how the booty amassed over the years in India from us poor followers under duress is going to be divided.
When dissension first occurred in India, we in Africa were far away and did not know anything about the battles fought with Adamji Pirbhai. These were colonial times. It is only recently by reading the "End of Colonialism" by Zarina Patel that I have inderstood what happened in India.
Then there was a revolt in East Africa in the 1960s with major confrontations in Uganda. Now when this was happenning people in India did not know.
In both these instances they stifled the opposisiotn by using Baraat as a weapon and using our uneducated mothers who did not want to stop going to "varas" to bring pressure to bear on their husbands and children to tow the line. Some courageous individuals were cowed.
Now a few things have changed. We have the dissemination of news instantly. There is no question of second versions.People directly involved or eye-witnesses can tell us what happenned e.g Engineer incident in Indore, Mazoon's treatment in Surat. Furthermore the Bohora diaspora is now in UK and North America and our women are schooled and more educated. The most important thing though is that one of their own (if he has not been poisoned yet) is spilling the beans form California..so they cannot blame it on the Dushman.So is this baraat going to work? Let us see. The wheels of power have started to churn..lets see what happens. Forget the debate about who can forgive or not. It is old story.. it is a crock of S...t. Watch my friends. These are interesting times.
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Brother Qiyam:
" Oh beloved maula, we beseech you to forgive us our sins weather intentional" ,
----Singapore Shabbab Jan 15 2003
Your silence on this matter quite frankly is not the least bit surprising as you seem to have no justification or argument on this clear case of SHIRK by your Singapore chamcha's.
" Oh beloved maula, we beseech you to forgive us our sins weather intentional" ,
----Singapore Shabbab Jan 15 2003
Your silence on this matter quite frankly is not the least bit surprising as you seem to have no justification or argument on this clear case of SHIRK by your Singapore chamcha's.
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I have started new thread;
Allah's Way-Quran only or Quran & Sunnah?
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http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/cgibin/UB ... 1&t=000796
Please use this tread for "Baraat Propaganda"
Wasalaam
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I have started new thread;
Allah's Way-Quran only or Quran & Sunnah?
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http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/cgibin/UB ... 1&t=000796
Please use this tread for "Baraat Propaganda"
Wasalaam
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Ø Bara'at
Mulla Mustafa Shaikh Dawood
http://archive.mumineen.org/deen/
Ø Conceptually and practically baraat entails a total and utter cutting of
ties, communication and any form of interaction with those persons who
harbour an enmity to the subject of our walayat; Aqamola (tus) and
everything he represents.
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The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Three things are the roots of faith:
1.to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah"
2. and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits,
3. and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action.”
It does not behove a believing man and a believing woman that when Allah and His Messenger have given their decision in a matter, they should exercise an option in that matter of theirs. For whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, has indeed strayed into manifest error.
Mulla Mustafa Shaikh Dawood
http://archive.mumineen.org/deen/
Ø Conceptually and practically baraat entails a total and utter cutting of
ties, communication and any form of interaction with those persons who
harbour an enmity to the subject of our walayat; Aqamola (tus) and
everything he represents.
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The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Three things are the roots of faith:
1.to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah"
2. and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits,
3. and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action.”
It does not behove a believing man and a believing woman that when Allah and His Messenger have given their decision in a matter, they should exercise an option in that matter of theirs. For whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, has indeed strayed into manifest error.
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"Therefore, hold fast to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided Caliphs, hold it between your front teeth! And beware of innovations (in the religion), for every innovation is a bid'ah, and every bid'ah is a deviation, and every deviation is in the Fire." [Sahih Al-Jami ' As-Saghir, no. 2549]
Apart from the other contradicting hadith in the same book which I mentioned earlier, there are two further problems with this one.
Firstly, Umar himself introduced the bidah of changing the Fajr Azan and adding extra night prayers. How can such a man’s Sunnah be followed when he himself was master of bidah?
The above hadith is therefore fabricated.
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Dear Brother Muslim,
Hadrat Ali, during his reign, neither changed it, nor removed it, but carried on this tradition of announcing the statement ‘Prayer is better than sleep’ in the fajr adhan.
Hadrat Umar never introduced nor changed the statement and neither the companions of the Prophet would allow any innovation in the Deen of Islam…
Over to you to answer these changes:
On whose command and when were the five prescribed ‘fard’ prayers combined into three prayers?
On whose command and when was the statement ‘I bear witness that Ali is the friend of Allah’, introduced in all the adhaans?
On whose command and when was the statement, ‘Mohamed and Ali are the best of humankind, and their descendants are the best of descendants’ introduced in all the adhaans?
On whose command was the making of shrines and places of worship over the graves of human beings introduced; when we know from the authentic narrations of the Prophet (saws), that he invoked the curse of Allah on the Jews and Christians, because they created shrines and places of worship over the graves of their Prophets?
On whose command was the wailing over the dead, and beating of chests introduced; when we know from the authentic narrations of the Prophet (saws) that he (saws) cursed the people who wailed and beat themselves over their dead?
On whose command was the ‘ziyaarah’ of places like Karbala, Najaf, Misr, etc. considered pilgrimages; when we know from the authentic narrations of the Prophet (saws) that he allowed pilgrimages only to three Holy Sites. A. The Sacred House in Makkah. B. The Prophet’s Mosque in Medina. C. The Masjid-al-Aqsa in Jerusalem.
On whose command did some mis-guided muslims start invoking and worshipping the graves of pious muslims with Allah; when we know from the Holy Quran that no one other than Allah deserves to be worshipped and invoked?
On whose command was the fasting of the whole month of ‘Rajab’ introduced along with Ramadan; when we know that the Messenger of Allah (saws) never, in his whole lifetime, fasted the whole month of Rajab?
On whose command is the bowing down in proper Islamic ‘sajdah’ to human beings and graves introduced; when we know that Allah Alone deserves all our forms and rites of worship, and we know that whoever bows down in ‘sajdah’ to anyone other than Allah will be guilty of the heinous sin of ‘shirk’?
On whose command was the Hindu rites and rituals of ‘aarti’ or ‘wadhaawah’ introduced in Islam?
On whose command is the kissing of the feet of holy men introduced in Islam; when we know the Messenger of Allah (saws) never allowed the believers to kiss his feet?
On whose command are the women in Islam allowed to kiss the hands and feet of non-mehram males; when we know that the Messenger of Allah (saws) never even allowed a non-mehram women to ever touch him?
There are literally hundreds of such innovations which have crept into the lives of some muslims, which are propagated and authenticated by their self-proclaimed holy men and their self-appointed priests! Some of these innovations are simple ‘bidahs’, while others are pure and complete acts of ‘shirk’, and the misguided muslims carry on doing these acts in the name of Islam! They expect to receive the Pleasure and Reward of Allah, but in light of the Holy Quran and Sunnah, these acts will get them nothing, but the Wrath and Anger of Allah!
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"Therefore, hold fast to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly guided Caliphs, hold it between your front teeth! And beware of innovations (in the religion), for every innovation is a bid'ah, and every bid'ah is a deviation, and every deviation is in the Fire." [Sahih Al-Jami ' As-Saghir, no. 2549]
Apart from the other contradicting hadith in the same book which I mentioned earlier, there are two further problems with this one.
Firstly, Umar himself introduced the bidah of changing the Fajr Azan and adding extra night prayers. How can such a man’s Sunnah be followed when he himself was master of bidah?
The above hadith is therefore fabricated.
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Dear Brother Muslim,
Hadrat Ali, during his reign, neither changed it, nor removed it, but carried on this tradition of announcing the statement ‘Prayer is better than sleep’ in the fajr adhan.
Hadrat Umar never introduced nor changed the statement and neither the companions of the Prophet would allow any innovation in the Deen of Islam…
Over to you to answer these changes:
On whose command and when were the five prescribed ‘fard’ prayers combined into three prayers?
On whose command and when was the statement ‘I bear witness that Ali is the friend of Allah’, introduced in all the adhaans?
On whose command and when was the statement, ‘Mohamed and Ali are the best of humankind, and their descendants are the best of descendants’ introduced in all the adhaans?
On whose command was the making of shrines and places of worship over the graves of human beings introduced; when we know from the authentic narrations of the Prophet (saws), that he invoked the curse of Allah on the Jews and Christians, because they created shrines and places of worship over the graves of their Prophets?
On whose command was the wailing over the dead, and beating of chests introduced; when we know from the authentic narrations of the Prophet (saws) that he (saws) cursed the people who wailed and beat themselves over their dead?
On whose command was the ‘ziyaarah’ of places like Karbala, Najaf, Misr, etc. considered pilgrimages; when we know from the authentic narrations of the Prophet (saws) that he allowed pilgrimages only to three Holy Sites. A. The Sacred House in Makkah. B. The Prophet’s Mosque in Medina. C. The Masjid-al-Aqsa in Jerusalem.
On whose command did some mis-guided muslims start invoking and worshipping the graves of pious muslims with Allah; when we know from the Holy Quran that no one other than Allah deserves to be worshipped and invoked?
On whose command was the fasting of the whole month of ‘Rajab’ introduced along with Ramadan; when we know that the Messenger of Allah (saws) never, in his whole lifetime, fasted the whole month of Rajab?
On whose command is the bowing down in proper Islamic ‘sajdah’ to human beings and graves introduced; when we know that Allah Alone deserves all our forms and rites of worship, and we know that whoever bows down in ‘sajdah’ to anyone other than Allah will be guilty of the heinous sin of ‘shirk’?
On whose command was the Hindu rites and rituals of ‘aarti’ or ‘wadhaawah’ introduced in Islam?
On whose command is the kissing of the feet of holy men introduced in Islam; when we know the Messenger of Allah (saws) never allowed the believers to kiss his feet?
On whose command are the women in Islam allowed to kiss the hands and feet of non-mehram males; when we know that the Messenger of Allah (saws) never even allowed a non-mehram women to ever touch him?
There are literally hundreds of such innovations which have crept into the lives of some muslims, which are propagated and authenticated by their self-proclaimed holy men and their self-appointed priests! Some of these innovations are simple ‘bidahs’, while others are pure and complete acts of ‘shirk’, and the misguided muslims carry on doing these acts in the name of Islam! They expect to receive the Pleasure and Reward of Allah, but in light of the Holy Quran and Sunnah, these acts will get them nothing, but the Wrath and Anger of Allah!
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Abdulla, (or should I call you Burhan?)
"'Umar said, This innovation is very good; and the part (of the night) in which they sleep is better than that in which they stand saying prayers." -- Bukhari 31:1
Some among `Umar’s innovations mentioned in Abu Hilal al-`Askari’s Kitab al-Awa’il ("Book of Firsts") and Tabari’s Tarikh:
- Insertion of the formula "Prayer is better that sleep" in the call to the dawn prayer.
- Ordaining the holding of tarawih prayers in congregation.
- Three divorces pronounced at one session declared binding
- Assumption of the title of Amîr al-Mu’minîn.
You should learn a bit more from your own hadith and history books before making ignorant statements.
"The Tarâwîh prayer really takes the place of Tahajjud, in the case of those who cannot get up for Tahajjud, in the month of Ramadzân. In its present form, it was introduced in the time of 'Umar." -- from Manual of Hadith, by Maulana Muhammad Ali.Hadrat Umar never introduced nor changed the statement and neither the companions of the Prophet would allow any innovation in the Deen of Islam
"'Umar said, This innovation is very good; and the part (of the night) in which they sleep is better than that in which they stand saying prayers." -- Bukhari 31:1
Some among `Umar’s innovations mentioned in Abu Hilal al-`Askari’s Kitab al-Awa’il ("Book of Firsts") and Tabari’s Tarikh:
- Insertion of the formula "Prayer is better that sleep" in the call to the dawn prayer.
- Ordaining the holding of tarawih prayers in congregation.
- Three divorces pronounced at one session declared binding
- Assumption of the title of Amîr al-Mu’minîn.
You should learn a bit more from your own hadith and history books before making ignorant statements.
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Brother you have not answered the questions
in discussion which were posted earlier.
Reported Hadrat Zaid bin Thabit that the Prophet (saws) took a room made of date palm leaves mats in the mosque. The Prophet (saws) prayed in it for a few nights till the people gathered (to pray the night prayer (Tarawih) (behind him.) Then on the 4th night the people did not hear his voice and they thought he had slept, so some of them started humming in order that he might come out. The Prophet (saws) then said, "You continued doing what I saw you doing till I was afraid that this (Tarawih prayer) might be enjoined on you, and if it were enjoined on you, you would not continue performing it. Therefore, O people! Perform your prayers at your homes, for the best prayer of a person is what is performed at his home except the compulsory (congregational) prayer.”
The Taraweeh prayers are nafl prayers and there is no sin if you want to pray in congregration if Indeed your intention is to get the reward of Allah (swt).
in discussion which were posted earlier.
Reported Hadrat Zaid bin Thabit that the Prophet (saws) took a room made of date palm leaves mats in the mosque. The Prophet (saws) prayed in it for a few nights till the people gathered (to pray the night prayer (Tarawih) (behind him.) Then on the 4th night the people did not hear his voice and they thought he had slept, so some of them started humming in order that he might come out. The Prophet (saws) then said, "You continued doing what I saw you doing till I was afraid that this (Tarawih prayer) might be enjoined on you, and if it were enjoined on you, you would not continue performing it. Therefore, O people! Perform your prayers at your homes, for the best prayer of a person is what is performed at his home except the compulsory (congregational) prayer.”
The Taraweeh prayers are nafl prayers and there is no sin if you want to pray in congregration if Indeed your intention is to get the reward of Allah (swt).
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Sunan of Abu-Dawood Hadith 4590 Narrated by Irbad ibn Sariyah
The Messenger of Allah (saws) said: “You must follow my Sunnah and that of the Rightly-Guided Khalifas.”
The Messenger of Allah (saws) said: “You must follow my Sunnah and that of the Rightly-Guided Khalifas.”
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Brother even if we need to accept the narration that Hadrat Umar (r.a.) introduced in the adhaan, it cannot be considered a innovation, as it is not something which is not from the deen. Besides there were literally thousands of the noble companions of the Prophet (saws) alive at that time and none of them objected to it. Among them were Uthmaan, Ali, Ammar bin Yasir, Salman al Farsi, etc. And also, when Hadrat Uthmaan and Hadrat Ali ibn Abi Taalib (r.a.) became the Khalifahs, they did not change the adhaan that was pronounced for the fajr prayer, and the phrase of ‘As Salaato Khairun minan naum’ was declared even in their times.
But we should be more worried of the innovations which have become the part of the Deen Islam without any authority from Allah or His messenger
A few examples of the innovations which have crept into the deen and practiced by ignorant people today:
The concept and ritual of ‘Quran Khaani’.
The celebration of the Prophet’s birthday.
The celebration and remembrance of Imam Hussain and the events of Karbala on the 10th of Muharram or the rituals of Aashoora.
The mourning ceremonies and rituals of the 3rd, 7th, 9th, 10th, 30th, or 40th day of the deceased.
The celebrations and rituals of ‘urs’ at the graves of the deceased pious slaves of Allah Subhanah.
But we should be more worried of the innovations which have become the part of the Deen Islam without any authority from Allah or His messenger
A few examples of the innovations which have crept into the deen and practiced by ignorant people today:
The concept and ritual of ‘Quran Khaani’.
The celebration of the Prophet’s birthday.
The celebration and remembrance of Imam Hussain and the events of Karbala on the 10th of Muharram or the rituals of Aashoora.
The mourning ceremonies and rituals of the 3rd, 7th, 9th, 10th, 30th, or 40th day of the deceased.
The celebrations and rituals of ‘urs’ at the graves of the deceased pious slaves of Allah Subhanah.
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Brother if your questions are not related to anything I have specifically said or implied that I believed or accepted, then please do not expect an answer.
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Br Muslim
Since your Firqah keeps you away from gaining knowledge besides the crumbs thrown by the Kothar, here is how Adhan was formulated
Adhan
From Fiqh-Us-Sunnah Number 1:96
Adhan, The Event behind Its Legislation
The adhan was made part of the shari'ah during the first year after the migration to Madinah. The hadith clarify what led up to its institution.
Nafa' related that Ibn 'Umar said, "The Muslims would gather and calculate the time of prayer, and no one would call them. They spoke about that one-day. Some said, 'We should have a bell like the Christians.' Others said, 'We should have a horn like the Jews.' suggested 'Umar, 'why don't we have one person call the others to prayer?' The Messenger of Allah said, 'Stand, Bilal, and make the call to prayer."
(Related by Ahmad and al-Bukhari.)
Reported 'Abdullah ibn (Zaid ibn) 'Abd Rabbih, "When the Prophet was to order the use of a bell to call the people to prayer, he disliked it because it resembled the Christian practice. While I was sleeping, a man came to me carrying a bell. I said to him, 'O slave of Allah, will you sell me that bell?' Said he, 'What would you do with it?' I replied, 'I would call the people to prayer with it.' Said he, 'Shall I not guide you to something better than that?' I said, 'Certainly.' Said he, 'You should say,
Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar.
Ashhadu alla ilaha illal-lah, ashhadu alla ilaha illallah,
Ashhadu anna Muhammad ar-Rasool-lal-lah, ashhadu anna Muhammadar-Rasool-lal-lah.
Hayya 'alas-salah, hayyah 'alassalah.
Hayya 'alal-falah, hayya 'alal-falah.
Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar.
La ilaha illal-lah.'
Then he went a short distance away and said, 'When you stand for the prayer, say,
Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar.
Ashhadu alla ilaha illal-lah, ashhadu alla ilaha illallah,
Ashhadu anna Muhammad ar-Rasool-lal-lah, ashhadu anna Muhammadar-Rasool-lal-lah.
Hayya 'alas-salah,Hayyah 'alassalah.
Hayya 'alal-falah, hayya 'alal-falah.
Qad qaamatis-salah, qad qaamatis-salah.
Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar.
La ilaha illal-lah.
'When the morning came, I went to the Messenger of Allah to tell him what I had seen. He said, 'Your dream is true, Allah willing. Go to Bilal, tell him what you have seen, and tell him to make the call to prayer, for he has the best voice among you.' I went to Bilal and told him what to do, and he made the call to prayer. 'Umar was in his house when he heard it. He came out with his cloak, saying 'By the One who has raised you with the truth, I saw similar to what he saw.' The Prophet, upon whom be peace, said, 'To Allah is the praise."
This hadith is related by Ahmad, Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah, Ibn Khuzaimah and atTirmidhi, who called it hassan sahih.
Wasalaam
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(Please note there are no extra words you here at Bohra prayer calls.
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Br Muslim
Since your Firqah keeps you away from gaining knowledge besides the crumbs thrown by the Kothar, here is how Adhan was formulated
Adhan
From Fiqh-Us-Sunnah Number 1:96
Adhan, The Event behind Its Legislation
The adhan was made part of the shari'ah during the first year after the migration to Madinah. The hadith clarify what led up to its institution.
Nafa' related that Ibn 'Umar said, "The Muslims would gather and calculate the time of prayer, and no one would call them. They spoke about that one-day. Some said, 'We should have a bell like the Christians.' Others said, 'We should have a horn like the Jews.' suggested 'Umar, 'why don't we have one person call the others to prayer?' The Messenger of Allah said, 'Stand, Bilal, and make the call to prayer."
(Related by Ahmad and al-Bukhari.)
Reported 'Abdullah ibn (Zaid ibn) 'Abd Rabbih, "When the Prophet was to order the use of a bell to call the people to prayer, he disliked it because it resembled the Christian practice. While I was sleeping, a man came to me carrying a bell. I said to him, 'O slave of Allah, will you sell me that bell?' Said he, 'What would you do with it?' I replied, 'I would call the people to prayer with it.' Said he, 'Shall I not guide you to something better than that?' I said, 'Certainly.' Said he, 'You should say,
Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar.
Ashhadu alla ilaha illal-lah, ashhadu alla ilaha illallah,
Ashhadu anna Muhammad ar-Rasool-lal-lah, ashhadu anna Muhammadar-Rasool-lal-lah.
Hayya 'alas-salah, hayyah 'alassalah.
Hayya 'alal-falah, hayya 'alal-falah.
Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar.
La ilaha illal-lah.'
Then he went a short distance away and said, 'When you stand for the prayer, say,
Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar.
Ashhadu alla ilaha illal-lah, ashhadu alla ilaha illallah,
Ashhadu anna Muhammad ar-Rasool-lal-lah, ashhadu anna Muhammadar-Rasool-lal-lah.
Hayya 'alas-salah,Hayyah 'alassalah.
Hayya 'alal-falah, hayya 'alal-falah.
Qad qaamatis-salah, qad qaamatis-salah.
Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar.
La ilaha illal-lah.
'When the morning came, I went to the Messenger of Allah to tell him what I had seen. He said, 'Your dream is true, Allah willing. Go to Bilal, tell him what you have seen, and tell him to make the call to prayer, for he has the best voice among you.' I went to Bilal and told him what to do, and he made the call to prayer. 'Umar was in his house when he heard it. He came out with his cloak, saying 'By the One who has raised you with the truth, I saw similar to what he saw.' The Prophet, upon whom be peace, said, 'To Allah is the praise."
This hadith is related by Ahmad, Abu Dawud, Ibn Majah, Ibn Khuzaimah and atTirmidhi, who called it hassan sahih.
Wasalaam
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(Please note there are no extra words you here at Bohra prayer calls.
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Here is how extra phrases were introduced in the Fajra prayer.
Adhan,
From Fiqh-Us-Sunnah Number 1:98
At-Tathweeb : (Saying 'Prayer is better than sleep' in the Morning Adhan).
It is part of the shari'ah that the caller of prayer to say,:
"As-salaatu khairun min an-naum
(prayer is better than sleep)In the morning Adhan.
Abu Mahdhurah asked the Prophet, upon whom be peace, to teach him the Adhan, and he told him, "If it is the morning Adhan, say:
As-salaatu khairun min an-naum,
As-salaatu khariun min annaum.
Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar. La illaha illal-lah."
(Related by Ahmad and Abu Dawud. ) It is to be said only in the morning Adhan.
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Hz. Ali RA answered to this call every mornig during his life time. He was Amir-ul-Mumineen for 6 years and if he thaught this phrase was a 'Bida' then he certainly would have cancelled it.
Wasalaam
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Here is how extra phrases were introduced in the Fajra prayer.
Adhan,
From Fiqh-Us-Sunnah Number 1:98
At-Tathweeb : (Saying 'Prayer is better than sleep' in the Morning Adhan).
It is part of the shari'ah that the caller of prayer to say,:
"As-salaatu khairun min an-naum
(prayer is better than sleep)In the morning Adhan.
Abu Mahdhurah asked the Prophet, upon whom be peace, to teach him the Adhan, and he told him, "If it is the morning Adhan, say:
As-salaatu khairun min an-naum,
As-salaatu khariun min annaum.
Allahu akbar, Allahu akbar. La illaha illal-lah."
(Related by Ahmad and Abu Dawud. ) It is to be said only in the morning Adhan.
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Hz. Ali RA answered to this call every mornig during his life time. He was Amir-ul-Mumineen for 6 years and if he thaught this phrase was a 'Bida' then he certainly would have cancelled it.
Wasalaam
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Tarawih
In the month of the Holy Ramadan, it was the practice with the Holy Prophet that he would stay in the mosque after the Isha prayers, and offer extra prayers. One night as the faithful saw the Holy Prophet offering extra prayers, they also prayed as the Holy Prophet did. The following night more Muslims stayed in the mosque after the night prayer to offer extra prayers. On the third night there was a still larger gathering of the Muslims to perform the extra prayers. On the fourth night when a large number of the faithful assembled to offer the extra prayers, the Holy Prophet did not offer the extra prayers and retired to his house immediately after the Isha prayers. For the following nights as well the Holy Prophet retired immediately after the night prayers, and gradually the number of Muslims who offered the extra prayers diminished. Then one night the Holy Prophet offered the extra prayers again. When the Holy Prophet was asked about the reason for the break in the extra prayers for some nights he said that he had avoided these prayers lest the Muslims might take them to be an obligation under law, and that might become a burden for the Muslims. The Holy Prophet explained that such prayers were not compulsory, but if any one offered them voluntarily, he would have the blessing of God. Thereafter it became the practice that some Muslims offered the extra prayers during the month of Ramadan on their own account, while others did not, and retired to their homes after offering the night prayers.
When Umar became the Caliph, he saw that many Muslims gathered in the Prophet's mosque to offer extra prayers after the night prayers. Each person prayed according to his own discretion, and there were no specifications about the number of Rakaats to be offered. Umar felt that it would be a reform in the proper direction, if the prayers were offered in congregation and the number of Rakaats was fixed. After consulting the Companions, Umar issued instructions in 635 AD that such extra prayers should be offered in congregation under the imamate of a Quran reader who should recite a considerable part of the Quran each night, so that the entire Quran was completed during a week or so. It was laid down that these prayers should comprise ten taslima's each containing two rakaats and that after every four rakaats there should be a ‘ rawih ' or a pause. Because of such pauses these extra prayers came to be known as ' Tarawih '.
These instructions were circulated throughout the Muslim dominions. There were some who felt that as the Holy Prophet had not prescribed such prayers, it was unlawful to prescribe such prayers after the death of the Holy Prophet. Umar explained that he was not prescribing these prayers as compulsory; it was open to any one to offer or not to offer these prayers at his discretion. If any one offered these prayers that would be to his credit, but if any body did not do so that would not bring him any discredit. He also elucidated that his instructions being of an advisory character only were in no way repugnant to Islam. If he had instructed the Muslims to do what Allah or the Holy Prophet had prohibited that would have been repugnant to Islam, out if he wanted the Muslims to do anything at their option which was intrinsically good and had not been prohibited, that was not repugnant to Islam, but was on the other hand in consonance with the spirit of Islam.
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Tarawih
In the month of the Holy Ramadan, it was the practice with the Holy Prophet that he would stay in the mosque after the Isha prayers, and offer extra prayers. One night as the faithful saw the Holy Prophet offering extra prayers, they also prayed as the Holy Prophet did. The following night more Muslims stayed in the mosque after the night prayer to offer extra prayers. On the third night there was a still larger gathering of the Muslims to perform the extra prayers. On the fourth night when a large number of the faithful assembled to offer the extra prayers, the Holy Prophet did not offer the extra prayers and retired to his house immediately after the Isha prayers. For the following nights as well the Holy Prophet retired immediately after the night prayers, and gradually the number of Muslims who offered the extra prayers diminished. Then one night the Holy Prophet offered the extra prayers again. When the Holy Prophet was asked about the reason for the break in the extra prayers for some nights he said that he had avoided these prayers lest the Muslims might take them to be an obligation under law, and that might become a burden for the Muslims. The Holy Prophet explained that such prayers were not compulsory, but if any one offered them voluntarily, he would have the blessing of God. Thereafter it became the practice that some Muslims offered the extra prayers during the month of Ramadan on their own account, while others did not, and retired to their homes after offering the night prayers.
When Umar became the Caliph, he saw that many Muslims gathered in the Prophet's mosque to offer extra prayers after the night prayers. Each person prayed according to his own discretion, and there were no specifications about the number of Rakaats to be offered. Umar felt that it would be a reform in the proper direction, if the prayers were offered in congregation and the number of Rakaats was fixed. After consulting the Companions, Umar issued instructions in 635 AD that such extra prayers should be offered in congregation under the imamate of a Quran reader who should recite a considerable part of the Quran each night, so that the entire Quran was completed during a week or so. It was laid down that these prayers should comprise ten taslima's each containing two rakaats and that after every four rakaats there should be a ‘ rawih ' or a pause. Because of such pauses these extra prayers came to be known as ' Tarawih '.
These instructions were circulated throughout the Muslim dominions. There were some who felt that as the Holy Prophet had not prescribed such prayers, it was unlawful to prescribe such prayers after the death of the Holy Prophet. Umar explained that he was not prescribing these prayers as compulsory; it was open to any one to offer or not to offer these prayers at his discretion. If any one offered these prayers that would be to his credit, but if any body did not do so that would not bring him any discredit. He also elucidated that his instructions being of an advisory character only were in no way repugnant to Islam. If he had instructed the Muslims to do what Allah or the Holy Prophet had prohibited that would have been repugnant to Islam, out if he wanted the Muslims to do anything at their option which was intrinsically good and had not been prohibited, that was not repugnant to Islam, but was on the other hand in consonance with the spirit of Islam.
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