Invictius wrote:Moiz_Dhaanu wrote:Heard the 19th waaz reluctantly , but am glad i did so cause i was able to add to Shz MS's list of gaffes .
In the bayan when he was mentioning about Moulana Ali's simple life he said and i quote "Moulana Ali aakhri dino ma thigdaa waala kapda pehenta thaa, (sobbing) pacchi to itla thigdaa thay gaya ke darji bija thigdaa bhi Kahaan maare ?"
In English : In his final days Moulana Ali used to wear ragged clothes to such an extent , that when those clothes worn out , the tailors were unable to patch it up any more.
All my life i heard Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin(RA) say this particular bayan in such a respectful manner , that tears would roll down our eyes.
This is how he always mentioned it with such respect : "Moulaana Ali khuda ni raah aaakhri dino ma saglu khrach kari deta , wahan tak ke purana libaas pehenta and phaati jaay to aap thigda siwi ne eej pehenta ".
In English : Moulana Ali used to spend all his wealth in Allah's path till such an extent that he even wore old clothes and when they got torn , he used to patch it up himself and wear it again".
Just observe the vast difference in presenting the same bayan(totally disrespectful). I was shocked when he used the word "Darjee" (Tailor) ..bcoz never in my whole life had i heard SMB(RA) ever mention that word while telling this incident.
When an adna bohra like me can call this out then any sensible abde should be aghast by this disrespectful manner of waaz done Shz MS..
Shz MS has no dai like qualities.
You liar. Shut it man. It is one thing that you criticize. Another when you criticize without any basis.
Maula TUS DID NOT SAY THAT. Please stop twisting facts in ways that suit your malicious intentions. If you haven't heard or are unsure of the contents of the vaaz, refrain from posting, or say : "this is what I '
think' I heard in the vaaz".
Maula TUS said and I translate: " Maula Ali in his last days in Shere ramadaan would spend all his time in ibaadat. He would instuct Imamain Hasan and Hussain to feed iftaar to all the rozdaar from his personal savings. Maula Ali would not spend anything on himself and would wear old clothes which had lots of tears. Maula ali would stitch these tears himself, and if these tore again, he would stitch those tears again." I have been witness to this with full attention and I can testify that Maula TUS didnt mention the word 'darjee' at all. Your last line quote is totally incorrect and speaks only volumes of your distaste and hatred of Maula TUS. I suggest you attend some other vaaz or pray at home. We do not require people who do not have the most basic and important of all islamic tenets- Walayat.
Invictius , calm down man!! have u not heard Moulana Ali's saying "Gusso aql ne khai jai chhe" .. You might want to
preserve what ever little u have remaining :) Calling names like 'liar' will not change what was said in waaz .
On the subject of me twisting bayan , i doubled checked with the recording of the waaz which came in our masjid (now you know how well connected i am)
and am 100% sure of the "Darjee"(Tailor) being introduced by Shz MS in his bayan , which never ever was said by Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin(RA) in
his whole lifetime.
Chances are that you were dozing off ,which most ppl do becoz of the lack of content in Shz.MS waaz.
But relax!! its not your fault that you missed the conjuration of the "Darjee"(tailor) line , most of the abdes dont even have enough common sense to
actually understand that there was "Behurmati"(disrespect) done in the way the waaz was done .
Keep in mind, it is Moulana Ali that we were remembering , not some bhaisaheb wherein you can use any words(like Darjee) or such language.
Anyways, I heard what i heard(and reverified) , you may keep on jabbering me on this forum , i have nothing but only sympathy for your kind.
Besides that i am sure you also have forgot that he said in the Waaz.
"Junaa kapda ma jem ghana kaana(holes) padi jaaye , ej misal moulana hussain na jism par itna ghaav lagela"
In English : Just like there are numerous holes in old worn out fabrics , similarly there were numerous injuries on Moulana Hussain's Body
I dont Understand Why does Shz.MS always have to bring an insignificant material worldly objects to corelate with such holy incidents.
He has done this on many previous occasions too. This is not how a Dai does baayan..
These kind of references i would expect from small time aamils and mullas.
Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin(RA) never used to do such disrespectful analogical comparisions.
Also since you mentioned Walayat.i would like to remind that valaayat for each Rutba and Hud(including Dai) should be maintained..if it goes beyond or below a certain level its called Kulu and Gulu(and both are unacceptable)
What would you say to the fact that in the waaz , a madeh prayed by a Mr.Bhol went something like this
"Nikle Khuda ko dhundne , paaye Mufaddal ko" now that is blasphemy according to me. It would have been allowed if he said
"Nikle Imaam ko dhundne , paaye Mufaddal ko". Anyways if you want to do valaayat till it becomes "Shirk", you are most welcome to do it.
By the way did you get a chance to call up Shz.Aliasger bhaisaheb and Shz.Qasimbhaisheb(both of whom also happen to be childhood teachers of Shz.MS)
that its not valid to pray Farizat namaz near the Turbat mubarak of Syedan Taher Saifuddin(RA), that too when imaamat namaz was being conducted
in the adjacent Fatemi masjid by Syedi Makasir saheb.
) to feed Iftar.