Salaams to all,
Someone here, perhaps Porus, who knows more about Hindu religion can explain the following:
http://www.hinduism.co.za/kaabaa.htm
Please also read:
http://www.haberer-meteorite.de/english ... ligion.htm
and:
http://www.aryawat.com/kaaba.htm
Kaaba - Once a Hindu Temple
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I quote below an alleged translation with the alleged transliteration of the Arabic inscription.<br>
<br>
I do not recognise it as Arabic. Can anyone? Is it Turkish?<br>
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The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, <br>
found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded <br>
on page 315 of a volume known as `Sayar-ul-Okul' <br>
treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. <br>
Rendered in free English the inscription says:<br>
<br>
"Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram's reign. He was a noble, <br>
generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare <br>
of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were <br>
lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. <br>
The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb <br>
struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. <br>
The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the <br>
present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the <br>
noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners <br>
as we were. He spread his sacred religion <br>
amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country <br>
to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made <br>
cognisant of <br>
the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, <br>
had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king <br>
Vikramaditya's behest." <br>
<br>
For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it hereunder in <br>
Roman script:<br>
<br>
"Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun <br>
Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min <br>
howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom <br>
bayjayhalem. <br>
Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari <br>
bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja <br>
majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana <br>
balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum". <br>
(Page 315 Sayar-ul-okul). <br>
[Note: The title `Saya-ul-okul' signifies memorablewords.] <br>
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<br>Originally posted by Danish:<br>
Someone here, perhaps Porus, who knows more about Hindu religion can explain the following:<br>
http://www.hinduism.co.za/kaabaa.htm
<br>
I quote below an alleged translation with the alleged transliteration of the Arabic inscription.<br>
<br>
I do not recognise it as Arabic. Can anyone? Is it Turkish?<br>
</font>
<br>
The text of the crucial Vikramaditya inscription, <br>
found inscribed on a gold dish hung inside the Kaaba shrine in Mecca, is found recorded <br>
on page 315 of a volume known as `Sayar-ul-Okul' <br>
treasured in the Makhtab-e-Sultania library in Istanbul, Turkey. <br>
Rendered in free English the inscription says:<br>
<br>
"Fortunate are those who were born (and lived) during king Vikram's reign. He was a noble, <br>
generous dutiful ruler, devoted to the welfare <br>
of his subjects. But at that time we Arabs, oblivious of God, were <br>
lost in sensual pleasures. Plotting and torture were rampant. <br>
The darkness of ignorance had enveloped our country. Like the lamb <br>
struggling for her life in the cruel paws of a wolf we Arabs were caught up in ignorance. <br>
The entire country was enveloped in a darkness so intense as on a new moon night. But the <br>
present dawn and pleasant sunshine of education is the result of the favour of the <br>
noble king Vikramaditya whose benevolent supervision did not lose sight of us- foreigners <br>
as we were. He spread his sacred religion <br>
amongst us and sent scholars whose brilliance shone like that of the sun from his country <br>
to ours. These scholars and preceptors through whose benevolence we were once again made <br>
cognisant of <br>
the presence of God, introduced to His sacred existence and put on the road of Truth, <br>
had come to our country to preach their religion and impart education at king <br>
Vikramaditya's behest." <br>
<br>
For those who would like to read the Arabic wording I reproduce it hereunder in <br>
Roman script:<br>
<br>
"Itrashaphai Santu Ibikramatul Phahalameen Karimun <br>
Yartapheeha Wayosassaru Bihillahaya Samaini Ela Motakabberen Sihillaha Yuhee Quid min <br>
howa Yapakhara phajjal asari nahone osirom <br>
bayjayhalem. <br>
Yundan blabin Kajan blnaya khtoryaha sadunya kanateph netephi bejehalin Atadari <br>
bilamasa- rateen phakef tasabuhu kaunnieja <br>
majekaralhada walador. As hmiman burukankad toluho watastaru hihila Yakajibaymana <br>
balay kulk amarena phaneya jaunabilamary Bikramatum". <br>
(Page 315 Sayar-ul-okul). <br>
[Note: The title `Saya-ul-okul' signifies memorablewords.] <br>
<br>
</p>
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Re: Kaaba - Once a Hindu Temple
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Br. Purus
P.N. Oak is a professional Muslim Basher and is engaged in proving that each and every Islimic structures in India were temples (Including Taj Mahal).
He has to write word Historian after his name sice he is having tough time being recognized as Historian.
He puts together this Mumbo-Jumbo to con people like submitter on the this board.
Question for Danish.
Do you believe Hajj as piller of Islam?
Yes or No?
Wasalaam
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Br. Purus
P.N. Oak is a professional Muslim Basher and is engaged in proving that each and every Islimic structures in India were temples (Including Taj Mahal).
He has to write word Historian after his name sice he is having tough time being recognized as Historian.
He puts together this Mumbo-Jumbo to con people like submitter on the this board.
Question for Danish.
Do you believe Hajj as piller of Islam?
Yes or No?
Wasalaam
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Re: Kaaba - Once a Hindu Temple
PN OAK is a mirror reflection of you, as is Danish.Originally posted by Muslim First:
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Br. Purus
P.N. Oak is a professional Muslim Basher
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He balances EVILS and bashers like you. Oh yes - divinely blessed blashers!
Re: Kaaba - Once a Hindu Temple
PN OAK is a mirror reflection of you, as is Danish.Originally posted by Muslim First:
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Br. Purus
P.N. Oak is a professional Muslim Basher
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He balances EVILS and bashers like you. Oh yes - divinely blessed bashers!
Re: Kaaba - Once a Hindu Temple
MF,
You know that there are several "stone pillars" inside the Kaaba, the Kaaba itself and surrounding the Kaaba. Which pillar or pillars are you taking about? The one that your Syedena thinks that he built or the one that Arabs built or the one that Satan built?
As far as I understand and common sense tells me that none of the GOD's messengers could have built an idol/s to worship upon. I'm certain that GOD's messengers couldn't have been idolworshippers and its not possible for GOD Almighty to have HIS chosen ones to accomodate another deity.
Hajj being a pillar of Islam is no where to found in the Quran. Please provide your evidence.
NO!Question for Danish.
Do you believe Hajj as piller of Islam?
Yes or No?
You know that there are several "stone pillars" inside the Kaaba, the Kaaba itself and surrounding the Kaaba. Which pillar or pillars are you taking about? The one that your Syedena thinks that he built or the one that Arabs built or the one that Satan built?
As far as I understand and common sense tells me that none of the GOD's messengers could have built an idol/s to worship upon. I'm certain that GOD's messengers couldn't have been idolworshippers and its not possible for GOD Almighty to have HIS chosen ones to accomodate another deity.
Hajj being a pillar of Islam is no where to found in the Quran. Please provide your evidence.
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Porus quotes in the above first paragraph that its an "Arabic inscription" which by the way in his second paragraph he doesn't recognise it as Arabic.I quote below an alleged translation with the alleged transliteration of the Arabic inscription.
I do not recognise it as Arabic. Can anyone? Is it Turkish?
Although Porus knows that its an "alleged translation" with the "alleged transliteration".
But then again why would he recognise something which is so true. Silly me, I should've known Porus's "alleged mind".
Re: Kaaba - Once a Hindu Temple
WOW! The "brother" is in too, eh. I mean in the mirror reflection phenomenon.PN OAK is a mirror reflection of you, as is Danish.
He balances EVILS and bashers like you. Oh yes - divinely blessed blashers!
Once Mulla Nasruddin went into a bank with a cheque to cash.
"Can you identify yourself?", asked the clerk.
Nasruddin took out a mirror and peered into it.
"Yes, that's me all right", he said.
Re: Kaaba - Once a Hindu Temple
Danish, O great one,
Provide word by word translation of the transliteration I quoted from the Oak article. Let us see you demonstrate your certification by Rashad Kahlifa's soul.
Transliteration is alleged to be Arabic. If you also know English, let me repeat that it does not appear to me to be Arabic. You might get a submitter to translate it.
Provide word by word translation of the transliteration I quoted from the Oak article. Let us see you demonstrate your certification by Rashad Kahlifa's soul.
Transliteration is alleged to be Arabic. If you also know English, let me repeat that it does not appear to me to be Arabic. You might get a submitter to translate it.
Re: Kaaba - Once a Hindu Temple
Porus,
I didn't request for you or anyone to transilerate the Sanskrit or Roman Script into English. The sanskrit is perhaps still used in India and once used in analysing in the Sutras of the Hindu grammarian Panini.
I am simply requesting for clarification of the subject matter (obviously written in English) in reference to the entire Kaaba and Hajj phenomenon to better understand it myself from your own viewpoint, since you seem to know the Hindu tradition more than I do, a fact from previous debates. I am not debating or arguing with you here.
Some of you might have some hindu friends back in India who could possibly give some insights.
I didn't request for you or anyone to transilerate the Sanskrit or Roman Script into English. The sanskrit is perhaps still used in India and once used in analysing in the Sutras of the Hindu grammarian Panini.
I am simply requesting for clarification of the subject matter (obviously written in English) in reference to the entire Kaaba and Hajj phenomenon to better understand it myself from your own viewpoint, since you seem to know the Hindu tradition more than I do, a fact from previous debates. I am not debating or arguing with you here.
Some of you might have some hindu friends back in India who could possibly give some insights.
Re: Kaaba - Once a Hindu Temple
Danish,
Oak alleges the inscription to be Arabic. Let me go out on a limb and say that it is not Arabic. There are a couple of words which appear to be Arabic. I suspect inscription may be in Turkish. It is certainly not Sanskrit.
If it is not Arabic then the article has no basis.
Sanskrit is used in a liturgical sense in India and a large number of people know it. It is offered as instructions in many Universities in Europe and the USA and, of course, in the universities in India.
I have a great respect for the ideas of the Hindu Scriptures. I do not much care for the Hindu lay practices. Nor do most of my Hindu friends.
Long time ago, I read a book called "Taj Mahal is a Hindu Palace". It was in the same vein as the Oak article. Taj Mahal, despite its name, is not a palace; it is a tomb. Its history is well known. Its main architect was Shirazi, an Iranian.
While I recognise Oak as a Muslim-basher, he has some thought-provoking ideas which Muslims would do well to debate.
Oak alleges the inscription to be Arabic. Let me go out on a limb and say that it is not Arabic. There are a couple of words which appear to be Arabic. I suspect inscription may be in Turkish. It is certainly not Sanskrit.
If it is not Arabic then the article has no basis.
Sanskrit is used in a liturgical sense in India and a large number of people know it. It is offered as instructions in many Universities in Europe and the USA and, of course, in the universities in India.
I have a great respect for the ideas of the Hindu Scriptures. I do not much care for the Hindu lay practices. Nor do most of my Hindu friends.
Long time ago, I read a book called "Taj Mahal is a Hindu Palace". It was in the same vein as the Oak article. Taj Mahal, despite its name, is not a palace; it is a tomb. Its history is well known. Its main architect was Shirazi, an Iranian.
While I recognise Oak as a Muslim-basher, he has some thought-provoking ideas which Muslims would do well to debate.
Re: Kaaba - Once a Hindu Temple
here is another gem for the idiot Danish.
Saudi Arabia was known as Shiva Abhodaya during the so called height of Vikramiditya's reign
he he he he
Saudi Arabia was known as Shiva Abhodaya during the so called height of Vikramiditya's reign
he he he he
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Re: Kaaba - Once a Hindu Temple
In the name of Allah the Most Gracious, The Most Merciful,
I seek refuge with Allah the most high from shaitan accursed,
Dear Danish,
Salaaams,
Since you have been seeking refute to the following link: http://www.hinduism.co.za/kaabaa.htm
I have managed to get in touch with a few experts online and this is what few of them have got to say :
Experts Name: Islamic Scholar.
I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING....THAT'S JUST THE INTERPRETATION OF ONE PERSON. YOU SHOULD NOT LET THAT AFFECT YOUR IMAAN INSHAA ALLAAH.
ALLAAH KNOWS BEST
WWW.ALHIKMAT.COM
Experts Name: Dr. Husssein lalib.
my dear,I think I did tell you before it is much better for you to know Islam and do not waist your time in reading nonsense,but it seems you are still reading such articles that has nothing to say but to claim wrong things.
my dear,the article you mentioned is a nonsense and full of foolishness.I'm not having any intedency to discuss nonsense but let me correct some points for you:first of all the muslims did not claim that they are the first to practice pilgrimage to Ka'abah,this was the practice of the different arabian tribes after building the Ka'abah by Ibrahim pbuh.the people after Ibrahim astrayed from the beleif in God,all what islam did was to re-establish the practice in the right way as was practiced in the time of Ibrahim pbuh,the One Who inspired the muslims to do this is God who inspired Ibrahim and his followers to do the same before.
the arabian before the comin Muhammad pbuh were worse than animals exactly as the hindu are till the moment,they were idolators,they were not beleiving in God exactly as the hindu are to the moment,they were in the darkness of idiothy exactly as the hindus are to the moment but Muhammad pbuh guided the arabs to the light of truth,to the light of Islam for this the muslims became better than the angles to God while the hindus are still sinking in the darkness of idiothy,the cow they worship is much better than them,the nonbeleivers are worse than animals the proof are the hindus who take the animals as their Gods!!!!
regarding you,it is up to you if you want to be a real honoured humanbeing then you have to defend your intity as a muslim but if you want to be servant of an animal then be a hindu or be any thing but not a muslim.
my dear,it is mazing that one of the hindus did send me parts of their claimed scriptures few weeks ago referring to a point that the hindu scriptures mentioned Islam and the coming of the prophet Muhammad pbuh by name.at that time
I had a hindu patient I asked him about the quotations mentioned in the message sent to me asking him to comment on them,you know how did he answer me?he said:my parents told me not to read the scriptures ,so I have faith but never i did read the scripture and so do all the hindus!!! all of them are ignorants my dear.if you want to follow them then do it,God is not in need for you but you are in need for Him.
Experts Name:Bassam
I have looked at the article. The article is a shamble of lies. It seems you do not speak Arabic, but take - for example - the so-called "Arabic wording" to any Arab and he will give you the answer to your problem very clearly: This is but the language famous as "jibrish"! Please think again before falling for an Internet con such as this.
I seek refuge with Allah the most high from shaitan accursed,
Dear Danish,
Salaaams,
Since you have been seeking refute to the following link: http://www.hinduism.co.za/kaabaa.htm
I have managed to get in touch with a few experts online and this is what few of them have got to say :
Experts Name: Islamic Scholar.
I DON'T THINK YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT ANYTHING....THAT'S JUST THE INTERPRETATION OF ONE PERSON. YOU SHOULD NOT LET THAT AFFECT YOUR IMAAN INSHAA ALLAAH.
ALLAAH KNOWS BEST
WWW.ALHIKMAT.COM
Experts Name: Dr. Husssein lalib.
my dear,I think I did tell you before it is much better for you to know Islam and do not waist your time in reading nonsense,but it seems you are still reading such articles that has nothing to say but to claim wrong things.
my dear,the article you mentioned is a nonsense and full of foolishness.I'm not having any intedency to discuss nonsense but let me correct some points for you:first of all the muslims did not claim that they are the first to practice pilgrimage to Ka'abah,this was the practice of the different arabian tribes after building the Ka'abah by Ibrahim pbuh.the people after Ibrahim astrayed from the beleif in God,all what islam did was to re-establish the practice in the right way as was practiced in the time of Ibrahim pbuh,the One Who inspired the muslims to do this is God who inspired Ibrahim and his followers to do the same before.
the arabian before the comin Muhammad pbuh were worse than animals exactly as the hindu are till the moment,they were idolators,they were not beleiving in God exactly as the hindu are to the moment,they were in the darkness of idiothy exactly as the hindus are to the moment but Muhammad pbuh guided the arabs to the light of truth,to the light of Islam for this the muslims became better than the angles to God while the hindus are still sinking in the darkness of idiothy,the cow they worship is much better than them,the nonbeleivers are worse than animals the proof are the hindus who take the animals as their Gods!!!!
regarding you,it is up to you if you want to be a real honoured humanbeing then you have to defend your intity as a muslim but if you want to be servant of an animal then be a hindu or be any thing but not a muslim.
my dear,it is mazing that one of the hindus did send me parts of their claimed scriptures few weeks ago referring to a point that the hindu scriptures mentioned Islam and the coming of the prophet Muhammad pbuh by name.at that time
I had a hindu patient I asked him about the quotations mentioned in the message sent to me asking him to comment on them,you know how did he answer me?he said:my parents told me not to read the scriptures ,so I have faith but never i did read the scripture and so do all the hindus!!! all of them are ignorants my dear.if you want to follow them then do it,God is not in need for you but you are in need for Him.
Experts Name:Bassam
I have looked at the article. The article is a shamble of lies. It seems you do not speak Arabic, but take - for example - the so-called "Arabic wording" to any Arab and he will give you the answer to your problem very clearly: This is but the language famous as "jibrish"! Please think again before falling for an Internet con such as this.
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Re: Kaaba - Once a Hindu Temple
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Hajj in Qur’an
http://www.submission.org/hajj/quran.html
http://www.hajj.ca/quran.html
http://muttaqun.com/hajj.html
Hajj: Journey of lifetime
http://www.quran.org/hajja.htm
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Hajj in Qur’an
http://www.submission.org/hajj/quran.html
http://www.hajj.ca/quran.html
http://muttaqun.com/hajj.html
Hajj: Journey of lifetime
http://www.quran.org/hajja.htm
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Re: Kaaba - Once a Hindu Temple
Hajj in the Quran:
http://www.free-minds.org/Arab_Conspiracy.html
Hajj - A journey towards HELL:
http://www.aryawat.com/kaaba.htm
http://www.meteorite.ch/en/basics/history.htm
http://www.haberer-meteorite.de/english ... ligion.htm
http://www.hinduism.co.za/kaabaa.htm
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coa ... Kaaba.html
http://www.free-minds.org/Arab_Conspiracy.html
Hajj - A journey towards HELL:
http://www.aryawat.com/kaaba.htm
http://www.meteorite.ch/en/basics/history.htm
http://www.haberer-meteorite.de/english ... ligion.htm
http://www.hinduism.co.za/kaabaa.htm
http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Coa ... Kaaba.html
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Re: Kaaba - Once a Hindu Temple
Bismillah Hir Rahman nir Rahim,
I seek refuge with Allah the most high from shaitan accursed,
Dear Danish,
As Salaam Alaikum wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakatu,
I spoke to an islamic expert and this is what she said regarding the Ganesh statue,
"First of all I would like to question have you seen the statue for yourself. Allah the most high does say in the Quran "Neither shall you Beleive anything unless you verify it for yourself"
Never less I would like to ask the person who gave you this site
1-Is there any hard evidence that such statue was retrieved from KAABA?
2-In what year was that statue retrieved?
3- Kaaba is a well-guarded place who was able to smuggle the statue if any?
4- Can make reference to any non Hindu book that had documented this allegation.?
In any event I think the whole article is a stupid Hindu attempt to cast some shadow of doubt on Islamic believers."
I seek refuge with Allah the most high from shaitan accursed,
Dear Danish,
As Salaam Alaikum wa Rahmatullah Wa Barakatu,
I spoke to an islamic expert and this is what she said regarding the Ganesh statue,
"First of all I would like to question have you seen the statue for yourself. Allah the most high does say in the Quran "Neither shall you Beleive anything unless you verify it for yourself"
Never less I would like to ask the person who gave you this site
1-Is there any hard evidence that such statue was retrieved from KAABA?
2-In what year was that statue retrieved?
3- Kaaba is a well-guarded place who was able to smuggle the statue if any?
4- Can make reference to any non Hindu book that had documented this allegation.?
In any event I think the whole article is a stupid Hindu attempt to cast some shadow of doubt on Islamic believers."
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Dear Quresh,
I can only say that these so-called "Islamic experts" are the real cause and the basis of stupidity without having to perceive or understand the GOD's Creation in reality.
The problem is that "reality" can be "seen" while poetic words can be twisted in many ways to suit their own understandings and needs. The question then for the "Islamic expert" is:
Can he prove to the world that the Kaaba is NOT an IDOL and all practices pertaining to IT is NOT IDOLWORSHIP?
Can the "Islamic expert" prove that the Arabs never twisted the 'Words of GOD' and thus Abraham (GOD's chosen) MUST have built an IDOL to worship/serve IT in order to worship/serve GOD?
Aren't the "IT" (Kaaba - the seen) and "GOD" (the unseen) two distinct deities, gods, idols or whatever one may call them for any Muslim to serve/worship to? The challenge is to serve/worship the UNSEEN, NOT the SEEN!!!
Can the "Islamic expert" prove that the entire Quran warns and condemns of any form/shape of IDOL and IDOLWORSHIP and yet they set-up one, whilst they themselves become disbelievers and hypocrites?
As a matter of fact the Hindus serve/worship in exactly the same way as Muslims do and yet they believe in their Krishna, Prabu or whatever they call GOD. They also face, bow, prostrate, circumambulate to their own gods/godesses, they also have zamzam water (Ganga), they also feast, fast and perform other rituals very similar to Muslims. The same phenomenon and rituals are true for the Jews pertaining to their "Wailing Wall" and the Christians to their "Cross" and other statues. Yet there are very few of the Muslims, few of the Christians, few of Jews, few of the Buddhist and few of the Hindus still to be found, who truely and sincerely believe in the ONE GOD at all times without idolizing anyone or anything and without any "man-made dogmas" whatsoever.
All the above doesn't need any verification whatsoever. GOD has given us the brains, eyes and ears to be appreciative of and to use them WISELY. GOD Almighty is not confined to the four corners of a "stone house" to be served and worshipped but HE is in our hearts, minds and close to our jugular veins.
All HE is asking for is to commit to our "ways of life" on a daily baisis so as not to harm others, to help the poor and needy, lead a "clean" life and most importantly, not to set-up any idols to rival HIM.
Only people of significant intelligence and wisdom can understand and those who wish to learn, AS PER THE QURAN. GOD guides those who are willing, able and sincere to pursue HIS path. As soon as one diverts his/her thought/attention from GOD towards others, he/she looses control and Satan and his kind quickly takes over before you know it to further their cause to challenge and rival GOD.
GOD, there is no other god but GOD. HE is Alone, has no partners and none equals HIM. Be HE Glorified.
I can only say that these so-called "Islamic experts" are the real cause and the basis of stupidity without having to perceive or understand the GOD's Creation in reality.
The problem is that "reality" can be "seen" while poetic words can be twisted in many ways to suit their own understandings and needs. The question then for the "Islamic expert" is:
Can he prove to the world that the Kaaba is NOT an IDOL and all practices pertaining to IT is NOT IDOLWORSHIP?
Can the "Islamic expert" prove that the Arabs never twisted the 'Words of GOD' and thus Abraham (GOD's chosen) MUST have built an IDOL to worship/serve IT in order to worship/serve GOD?
Aren't the "IT" (Kaaba - the seen) and "GOD" (the unseen) two distinct deities, gods, idols or whatever one may call them for any Muslim to serve/worship to? The challenge is to serve/worship the UNSEEN, NOT the SEEN!!!
Can the "Islamic expert" prove that the entire Quran warns and condemns of any form/shape of IDOL and IDOLWORSHIP and yet they set-up one, whilst they themselves become disbelievers and hypocrites?
The most foolish question that I ever heard from an "Islamic Expert". It seems to me that they are the ones who are "blind" to see it. The "stone house" (an alleged GOD's House - Kaaba) is itself the biggest Islamic Statue of all in the history of mankind yet. In conjunction with the Kaaba, there are then other huge stones (the alleged devils) surrounding the "biggest idol" that the Muslim world serves/worships.First of all I would like to question have you seen the statue for yourself.
Absolutely. There's nothing to verify in this case, its pretty obvious and crispy clear for the world to see (eyes), hear (ears) and reason (mind) for themselves; that is if they have the GOD given talents. Don't people see and hear about things on TV (live), in newspapers and books, in movies, on photographs, others who have witnessed them hands on, etc., etc. In other words, I know for certain that there's a monument called "Statue of Liberty" in the city of New York in the United States WITHOUT having to witness it personally by myself.Neither shall you Beleive anything unless you verify it for yourself
As a matter of fact the Hindus serve/worship in exactly the same way as Muslims do and yet they believe in their Krishna, Prabu or whatever they call GOD. They also face, bow, prostrate, circumambulate to their own gods/godesses, they also have zamzam water (Ganga), they also feast, fast and perform other rituals very similar to Muslims. The same phenomenon and rituals are true for the Jews pertaining to their "Wailing Wall" and the Christians to their "Cross" and other statues. Yet there are very few of the Muslims, few of the Christians, few of Jews, few of the Buddhist and few of the Hindus still to be found, who truely and sincerely believe in the ONE GOD at all times without idolizing anyone or anything and without any "man-made dogmas" whatsoever.
All the above doesn't need any verification whatsoever. GOD has given us the brains, eyes and ears to be appreciative of and to use them WISELY. GOD Almighty is not confined to the four corners of a "stone house" to be served and worshipped but HE is in our hearts, minds and close to our jugular veins.
All HE is asking for is to commit to our "ways of life" on a daily baisis so as not to harm others, to help the poor and needy, lead a "clean" life and most importantly, not to set-up any idols to rival HIM.
Only people of significant intelligence and wisdom can understand and those who wish to learn, AS PER THE QURAN. GOD guides those who are willing, able and sincere to pursue HIS path. As soon as one diverts his/her thought/attention from GOD towards others, he/she looses control and Satan and his kind quickly takes over before you know it to further their cause to challenge and rival GOD.
GOD, there is no other god but GOD. HE is Alone, has no partners and none equals HIM. Be HE Glorified.
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Hindus want you to believe that everything is somewhat related to their religion.
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And, what do the MUSLIM FIRSTS want you to believe?Originally posted by jinx:
Hindus want you to believe that everything is somewhat related to their religion.
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You tell meOriginally posted by brother:
And, what do the MUSLIM FIRSTS want you to believe?Originally posted by jinx:
Hindus want you to believe that everything is somewhat related to their religion.
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Re: Kaaba - Once a Hindu Temple
Bismillah Hir Rahman nir Rahim,
I seek refuge with Allah the most gracious from Shaitan accursed
Noble Quran 2:85"Yet ye it is who slay each other and drive out a party of your people from their homes, supporting one another against them by sin and transgression ? - and if they came to you as captives ye would ransom them, whereas their expulsion was itself unlawful for you - Believe ye in part of the Scripture and disbelieve ye in part thereof ? And what is the reward of those who do so save ignominy in the life of the world, and on the Day of Resurrection they will be consigned to the most grievous doom. For Allah is not unaware of what ye do."
Verse 2:145
Yusuf Ali: Even if thou wert to bring to the people of the Book all the Signs (together), they would not follow Thy Qibla; nor art thou going to follow their Qibla; nor indeed will they follow each other's Qibla. If thou after the knowledge hath reached thee, Wert to follow their (vain) desires,-then wert thou Indeed (clearly) in the wrong.
Zohurul Hoque: And even if you should bring to those who have been given the scripture all the Signs, they would not follow your Qiblah; nor can you be a follower of their Qiblah; while some of them are not followers of some others Qiblah. And were you to follow their low desires after what has come to you of the knowledge, in that case you indeed will also be among the unjust.
T. J. Irving: Even though you brought every sign for those who were given the Book they still would not follow your Direction. You are not following their direction, nor will any of them follow one another's direction. If you were to follow their whims once knowledge has come to you, you would then be an evildoer.
T.U. Hilali-M. Khan: And even if you were to bring to the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) all the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), they would not follow your Qiblah (prayer direction), nor are you going to follow their Qiblah (prayer direction). And they will not follow each other's Qiblah (prayer direction). Verily, if you follow their desires after that which you have received of knowledge (from Allâh), then indeed you will be one of the Zâlimûn (polytheists, wrong-doers, etc.).
M. Pickthall: And even if thou broughtest unto those who have received the Scripture all kinds of portents, they would not follow thy qiblah, nor canst thou be a follower of their qiblah; nor are some of them followers of the qiblah of others. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then surely wert thou of the evil-doers.
M.H. Shakir: "And even if you bring to those who have been given the Book every sign they would not follow your qiblah, nor can you be a follower of their qiblah, neither are they the followers of each other's qiblah, and if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, then you shall most surely be among the unjust
This it What the Quran says.........Above is quoted 6 translators of the Quran and After reading all the six translation we come to know What Allah taala has to say about people not following the Qiblah
Dear Danish,
I got an reply back from3 Islamic experts and this is what they say,
Experts Name: Ateeq Ahmad
Dear Sir/Madam,
AsSalaam alaikum,
Muslims do not pray TO the kaaba, we pray AT a mosque(which is what the kaaba is). Monotheism and monism are very old concepts and belong in all religions. The ritualization of the zamzam and Kaaba circumambulations to the extent of attributing divine properties is not right and we muslims don't go that far, usually.
So, in truth there in the above documents but it relates not to Islam but to incorrect muslim practice...
ateeq
Women's empowerment is the key to the future of the Ummah of Muhammad the Emancipator, Peace be Upon Him
Experts Name:Bassam Bokhawa
Dear brother Quresh, I fail to see what we need to prove to this brother since an explanation of "Monotheism" in any respectable reference will clearly mention the three religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) while no such attribute is given to Hinduism and such.
We work to propogate Islam answering questions both in Discover Islam and Islamic Center in Bahrain and have no problems with non-Moslems in this matter whatsoever. This is a matter clear even to unbelievers. Some even admit that they have never seen Montheism more purely described or practiced today than that which is in Islam. I fail to see why the brother is asking proof for a matter as well-known as this.
Monotheism and idol-worsip do not relate in any way and those who earlier have blasted at Islam with such blasphemy are a very few who are very well known for blind hatred rather than sincere research.
I hope this brother does not waste more of your time and attention. He is either completely ignorant or a blatant lier. For more, please refer to http://www.allaahuakbar.net/khalifites/index.htm
Experts Name:Hussein Lalib
the answer to that idiot is so simple,this idiot built his
message on the assumption that the muslims are worshipping the Kaabah,here,I have to ask :did the muslims worship the ka'abah? even a primary school muslim will answer never we worshiped the Ka'abah and we will never worship the ka'abah.
consequently,I can tell you that this cow worshipper is worse than his cow,he is absolutely ignorant and his judgment then is of no value.
he is mentioning the beleif in ONE God[singular] defending
the hindus who worship GODS and GODESSES,not only many Gods but even males and females,this guy is an ignorant and as I told you God described them being worse than the animals,do not waiste your time with them.
These are the answers of only few experts.More are yet to come
I seek refuge with Allah the most gracious from Shaitan accursed
Noble Quran 2:85"Yet ye it is who slay each other and drive out a party of your people from their homes, supporting one another against them by sin and transgression ? - and if they came to you as captives ye would ransom them, whereas their expulsion was itself unlawful for you - Believe ye in part of the Scripture and disbelieve ye in part thereof ? And what is the reward of those who do so save ignominy in the life of the world, and on the Day of Resurrection they will be consigned to the most grievous doom. For Allah is not unaware of what ye do."
Verse 2:145
Yusuf Ali: Even if thou wert to bring to the people of the Book all the Signs (together), they would not follow Thy Qibla; nor art thou going to follow their Qibla; nor indeed will they follow each other's Qibla. If thou after the knowledge hath reached thee, Wert to follow their (vain) desires,-then wert thou Indeed (clearly) in the wrong.
Zohurul Hoque: And even if you should bring to those who have been given the scripture all the Signs, they would not follow your Qiblah; nor can you be a follower of their Qiblah; while some of them are not followers of some others Qiblah. And were you to follow their low desires after what has come to you of the knowledge, in that case you indeed will also be among the unjust.
T. J. Irving: Even though you brought every sign for those who were given the Book they still would not follow your Direction. You are not following their direction, nor will any of them follow one another's direction. If you were to follow their whims once knowledge has come to you, you would then be an evildoer.
T.U. Hilali-M. Khan: And even if you were to bring to the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) all the Ayât (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.), they would not follow your Qiblah (prayer direction), nor are you going to follow their Qiblah (prayer direction). And they will not follow each other's Qiblah (prayer direction). Verily, if you follow their desires after that which you have received of knowledge (from Allâh), then indeed you will be one of the Zâlimûn (polytheists, wrong-doers, etc.).
M. Pickthall: And even if thou broughtest unto those who have received the Scripture all kinds of portents, they would not follow thy qiblah, nor canst thou be a follower of their qiblah; nor are some of them followers of the qiblah of others. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then surely wert thou of the evil-doers.
M.H. Shakir: "And even if you bring to those who have been given the Book every sign they would not follow your qiblah, nor can you be a follower of their qiblah, neither are they the followers of each other's qiblah, and if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, then you shall most surely be among the unjust
This it What the Quran says.........Above is quoted 6 translators of the Quran and After reading all the six translation we come to know What Allah taala has to say about people not following the Qiblah
Dear Danish,
I got an reply back from3 Islamic experts and this is what they say,
Experts Name: Ateeq Ahmad
Dear Sir/Madam,
AsSalaam alaikum,
Muslims do not pray TO the kaaba, we pray AT a mosque(which is what the kaaba is). Monotheism and monism are very old concepts and belong in all religions. The ritualization of the zamzam and Kaaba circumambulations to the extent of attributing divine properties is not right and we muslims don't go that far, usually.
So, in truth there in the above documents but it relates not to Islam but to incorrect muslim practice...
ateeq
Women's empowerment is the key to the future of the Ummah of Muhammad the Emancipator, Peace be Upon Him
Experts Name:Bassam Bokhawa
Dear brother Quresh, I fail to see what we need to prove to this brother since an explanation of "Monotheism" in any respectable reference will clearly mention the three religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) while no such attribute is given to Hinduism and such.
We work to propogate Islam answering questions both in Discover Islam and Islamic Center in Bahrain and have no problems with non-Moslems in this matter whatsoever. This is a matter clear even to unbelievers. Some even admit that they have never seen Montheism more purely described or practiced today than that which is in Islam. I fail to see why the brother is asking proof for a matter as well-known as this.
Monotheism and idol-worsip do not relate in any way and those who earlier have blasted at Islam with such blasphemy are a very few who are very well known for blind hatred rather than sincere research.
I hope this brother does not waste more of your time and attention. He is either completely ignorant or a blatant lier. For more, please refer to http://www.allaahuakbar.net/khalifites/index.htm
Experts Name:Hussein Lalib
the answer to that idiot is so simple,this idiot built his
message on the assumption that the muslims are worshipping the Kaabah,here,I have to ask :did the muslims worship the ka'abah? even a primary school muslim will answer never we worshiped the Ka'abah and we will never worship the ka'abah.
consequently,I can tell you that this cow worshipper is worse than his cow,he is absolutely ignorant and his judgment then is of no value.
he is mentioning the beleif in ONE God[singular] defending
the hindus who worship GODS and GODESSES,not only many Gods but even males and females,this guy is an ignorant and as I told you God described them being worse than the animals,do not waiste your time with them.
These are the answers of only few experts.More are yet to come
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Quresh,
Such are the disgusting and blindfolded responses without any PROOFS from the so-called Islamic experts or more appropraitely "the Mullahs of Islam" who are nothing but a "stay-rich-dream-machines", a quick fix.
Firstly, these Mullahs (satanic influences) have lured millions into partnership with GOD by adding Muhammad's name with GOD's Name and thus distinguishing and discarding the rest of the prophets. AN UNFORGIVEABLE SIN.
Secondly, they want the entire "Muslim ummah" to put all their attention and focuses on a "stone house" in Mecca. Thus making that "stone house" an IDOL and commiting all acts pertaining to it an IDOLWORHSIP. ANOTHER UNFORGIVEABLE SIN.
Thirdly, the "satanic influences" (Islamic experts or Mullahs) lure the entire mankind towards twisted Words of GOD and they themselves alongwith all their followers become twisted. GOD Almighty has barred them from understanding because they are the worst among humankind who distort and fabricate GOD's Words to twist people's minds. They love to twist and dance around simply because they get paid for bringing people to their own paths rather than GOD's Path. They take people out of lightness into darkness. Thus they themselves fail to understand GOD and HIS fathomless and incomprehensible Creation.
In the most simplest way: ANYTHING MAN-MADE DOESN'T BELONG TO/FOR GOD, PERIOD. The bungaloes that human built are for themselves and their families to live in, the mosques are for their idols and idolworship and the biggest and the most sacred of all, The Kaaba, is to rival GOD.
Quresh, please bring on board some real talented experts, not satanic influences.
GOD, there is no other god but GOD. HE is Alone, has no partners and none equals HIM. Be HE Glorified.
Such are the disgusting and blindfolded responses without any PROOFS from the so-called Islamic experts or more appropraitely "the Mullahs of Islam" who are nothing but a "stay-rich-dream-machines", a quick fix.
Firstly, these Mullahs (satanic influences) have lured millions into partnership with GOD by adding Muhammad's name with GOD's Name and thus distinguishing and discarding the rest of the prophets. AN UNFORGIVEABLE SIN.
Secondly, they want the entire "Muslim ummah" to put all their attention and focuses on a "stone house" in Mecca. Thus making that "stone house" an IDOL and commiting all acts pertaining to it an IDOLWORHSIP. ANOTHER UNFORGIVEABLE SIN.
Thirdly, the "satanic influences" (Islamic experts or Mullahs) lure the entire mankind towards twisted Words of GOD and they themselves alongwith all their followers become twisted. GOD Almighty has barred them from understanding because they are the worst among humankind who distort and fabricate GOD's Words to twist people's minds. They love to twist and dance around simply because they get paid for bringing people to their own paths rather than GOD's Path. They take people out of lightness into darkness. Thus they themselves fail to understand GOD and HIS fathomless and incomprehensible Creation.
In the most simplest way: ANYTHING MAN-MADE DOESN'T BELONG TO/FOR GOD, PERIOD. The bungaloes that human built are for themselves and their families to live in, the mosques are for their idols and idolworship and the biggest and the most sacred of all, The Kaaba, is to rival GOD.
Even the innocent school children are forced into facing, bowing and prostrating towards an IDOL to worship it.did the muslims worship the ka'abah? even a primary school muslim will answer never we worshiped the Ka'abah and we will never worship the ka'abah.
Just like the Hindus worship their cows (a perishable living creature), the so-called Muslims worship Kaaba (a tangible stone structure). Such people have no "brains" because they CANNOT prove a thing and even if they tried, they will bring about baseless, senseless and conjectured theories without certainty.consequently,I can tell you that this cow worshipper is worse than his cow,he is absolutely ignorant and his judgment then is of no value.
Some experts do take their flavours out to throw upon others, just because they "think" they are "experts". They love to sing ba ba blacksheep.the hindus who worship GODS and GODESSES,not only many Gods but even males and females,this guy is an ignorant and as I told you God described them being worse than the animals,do not waiste your time with them.
Absolutely, I do not waste my time at all in stupidity.I hope this brother does not waste more of your time and attention. He is either completely ignorant or a blatant lier.
It is of no surprise that the majority of the Muslims worship IDOLS and call themselves monotheist. Explanation given above and earlier.Monotheism and idol-worsip do not relate in any way and those who earlier have blasted at Islam with such blasphemy are a very few who are very well known for blind hatred rather than sincere research.
As stupid as it sounds with reference to unbelievers. Wonder why the unbelievers don't become Muslims then? Proofs dude, proofs. Not conjectural blindfolded well-known idiotic man-made dogmas.We work to propogate Islam answering questions both in Discover Islam and Islamic Center in Bahrain and have no problems with non-Moslems in this matter whatsoever. This is a matter clear even to unbelievers. Some even admit that they have never seen Montheism more purely described or practiced today than that which is in Islam. I fail to see why the brother is asking proof for a matter as well-known as this.
What an idiotic belief. Did humanity start with Adam ALONE or with Adam & Eve together? Muhammad was only a human being, a progency of his ancestors and chosen by GOD, just like any other messengers of GOD. Such messengers have come down to revert the idolworshippers like you to GOD's Path, not to abuse them, as has always been the case.Women's empowerment is the key to the future of the Ummah of Muhammad the Emancipator, Peace be Upon Him
Quresh, please bring on board some real talented experts, not satanic influences.
GOD, there is no other god but GOD. HE is Alone, has no partners and none equals HIM. Be HE Glorified.
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Idiot,
Do you even know what Idol worship is? It took you a minute to believe the dick (lingam) worshippers but you won't believe in what the quran says. I guess that is what you are going to get in the hereafter. A big lingam!!
Do you even know what Idol worship is? It took you a minute to believe the dick (lingam) worshippers but you won't believe in what the quran says. I guess that is what you are going to get in the hereafter. A big lingam!!
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This talented word has already been registered in your name long ago. I'm glad you realise it.Idiot,
Is the above stated in your 'quran or Diamul-Islam'? Evidence please?Do you even know what Idol worship is? It took you a minute to believe the dick (lingam) worshippers but you won't believe in what the quran says. I guess that is what you are going to get in the hereafter. A big lingam!!
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The above is the esoteric meaning of the books that are translated as (O Rashad). All those who read and believe (O Rashad) are subjected to lingamization!!
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Oh! I definitely agree and couldn't have said it better, since you have read it as well. At least I am clear of such consciousness and have shunned and denounced all sects and clans. Thanks to GOD Almighty and Glory be to HIM.The above is the esoteric meaning of the books that are translated as (O Rashad). All those who read and believe (O Rashad) are subjected to lingamization!!
GOD, there is no other god but GOD. HE is Alone, has no partners and none equals HIM.
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On another note, since the phallic symbol (male sex organ) of the Hindus lingamization represents in worshipping of their god Shiva, in much the same way, quite frankly, the vulvic symbol (female sex organ) which is portrayed by worshipping of "Hajar Aswad" and the "Kubah" or "tombs" that reminds of female breasts, which the Muslims so adoringly worship by facing, bowing, prostrating, kissing and running around it. 
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Well, frankly speaking only the followers of (O Rashad) believe the shit (naturally) that you've come up with. No Muslim does.
That is the key word - Muslim, since you acknowledge you are not one, you can believe what you want.
Go to a hindu and he will agree with you that he worships Shiva's dick. Go to a muslim and repeat what you said above and you will be 6 inches shorter and 6 feet under.
That is the key word - Muslim, since you acknowledge you are not one, you can believe what you want.
Go to a hindu and he will agree with you that he worships Shiva's dick. Go to a muslim and repeat what you said above and you will be 6 inches shorter and 6 feet under.