Brother & Sisters a Humble Question:
Why no one converts to Bohraism?
If what the Bohras believe, imam-uz-zamaan, appointment of dais, the superiority of the family of bhaisahebs, etc. are true, and the claim that only Bohras are the ones who will go to Paradise, because they are the true lovers of ‘ahle-bayt’ of the Messenger of Allah. If what they claim is true, why don’t they propagate their religion to the whole of mankind? Isn’t Islam a way of life and guidance for the whole of mankind?
Why there are no transparent Da'waah invitation to Islam?
If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
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blackstallion
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murtaza2152
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Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
Bro,
Rasulallah was also true but only some people answered his dawaat,
Imam said its not possible that all people can turn to Haq and world is full of Mumineens,
May Allah give knoledge to all to follow Haq, which is with 52nd Dail Mutlaq Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin tus,
The Haq follows him wherever Dai goes.....
Rasulallah was also true but only some people answered his dawaat,
Imam said its not possible that all people can turn to Haq and world is full of Mumineens,
May Allah give knoledge to all to follow Haq, which is with 52nd Dail Mutlaq Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin tus,
The Haq follows him wherever Dai goes.....
Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
murtaza,
Again, that is a lame brain excuse. Within 23 years of the prophets dawat, the entire Arabian Peninsula had accepted Islam. Your Dai has been on the Gaddi for over 50 years. How many non bohras has he converted into bohras (without marriage related conversions)?
Again, that is a lame brain excuse. Within 23 years of the prophets dawat, the entire Arabian Peninsula had accepted Islam. Your Dai has been on the Gaddi for over 50 years. How many non bohras has he converted into bohras (without marriage related conversions)?
Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
In most crossed marriage both parties end up going away from Bohraism.It opens their eyes to non Islamic behavior of the Kothar.The six or so Abdes who keep chanting about our hatred of Dai do not speak the truth.It is not about a greedy old man and his parasitic family.It is about destruction of Islam.In order to loot they have destroyed all that was good about Bohras and Islam.
Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
Why there are NO Egyptian Bohras?? The Seat of Imam ......... in the so called Kahera-al-Moizia .......??!!!
Why there are NONE in Saudi Arabia, the Home of Islam? Why there are so LITTLE in Yemen, the Birth Place of Dai-ism??
Why the SEAT of Dawat is in India and most of the Bohras are in India ....??!!!!
Is not that very strange that Bohras are mostly in the places where Islam was brought some how and they are almost none at the places from where Islam or Shiaism originated>>
Why there are NONE in Saudi Arabia, the Home of Islam? Why there are so LITTLE in Yemen, the Birth Place of Dai-ism??
Why the SEAT of Dawat is in India and most of the Bohras are in India ....??!!!!
Is not that very strange that Bohras are mostly in the places where Islam was brought some how and they are almost none at the places from where Islam or Shiaism originated>>
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ghulam muhammed
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Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
Because its not possible to carry on the loot in the name of zakat and other newly invented taxes, practice shirk and sing sajda tujhe wajeb hai, shower lanats on the sahabas, give religious sanctity to a masjid only after recieving crores of riyals, prohibit muslims from praying in their masjid, selling masalla space and also not possible to ex-communicate people from their community bcoz if anyone files a complaint with regard to the said malpractices then no amount of fat envelopes to the govt authorities and no number of shawls used for draping those officials will be able to save them as is the case with the Indian govt. When the govt can declare baraat on the leader for 20 years then how is it possible for the leader himself to declare baraat on his followers when his position itself remains dicy.JC wrote:Why there are NONE in Saudi Arabia, the Home of Islam?
The Yemenis are very hot headed and aggresive people and a hard nut to crack especially when it comes to looting them, they carry a daggger with them 24x7 the sight of which scares the kotharis.JC wrote:Why there are so LITTLE in Yemen, the Birth Place of Dai-ism??
Just rewind history and you will find that India was mostly used as a laboratory by vested interests. Earlier the Indians were very humble, honest and peace loving people and also extremely gullible due to which the british looted them, the mughals ruled over them and now the dai is 2 in 1. The dai can have his way very easily in India which is not the case elsewhere. It is a much safer haven for criminals as compared to other countries.JC wrote:Why the SEAT of Dawat is in India and most of the Bohras are in India ....??!!!!
By now you must have understood that 'Islam' and 'Bohraism' are diametrically opposite, either you are a muslim or a bohra, you cant be both.JC wrote:Is not that very strange that Bohras are mostly in the places where Islam was brought some how and they are almost none at the places from where Islam or Shiaism originated>>
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If they are true....? Why no one wants to Join Progressives/Chhiyaliswa Bohras/46 numbaris ? 
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Hussain_KSA
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Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
JC wrote:Why there are NO Egyptian Bohras?? The Seat of Imam ......... in the so called Kahera-al-Moizia .......??!!!
Why there are NONE in Saudi Arabia, the Home of Islam? Why there are so LITTLE in Yemen, the Birth Place of Dai-ism??
Why the SEAT of Dawat is in India and most of the Bohras are in India ....??!!!!
Is not that very strange that Bohras are mostly in the places where Islam was brought some how and they are almost none at the places from where Islam or Shiaism originated>>
Brother JC
There are 78 Saudi Bohras of Yamani Origin in Saudi Arabia. 150000 Suleimani Bohras in Najran provience south of Saudi Arabia. 39 bohras in Egypt (Hidden due to local problem however they attend the functions and other rituals).
I am not sure about the population of Yeman however some one who calaims holding good position in Ejamat can disclose to you.
There are around 38 open reformist in Saudi Arabia and 53 other who are in touch with reform movement.
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Thank you brothers for your replies.
Bro Gulam Mohammad, Good replies .......... however Abdes will totally disagree. Perhaps there are lakhs to bohras in Saudi and Yemen, but are in 'Purda' with the so-called hidden Imam .......
Bro Hussain KSA - your numbers may be correct, but my point is WHY they are so small at places which were Ruled by Fatimis and are the origon of Islam (or Shiaism or Bohraism)?? Why most of them are in India?? To me, message of Shaiism or Bohraism was not that impressive or convincing for masses in those days or those countries and they did not buy it. On the other hand when it came to India (or 'brought' to Indian Sub-Continent) many believed that (why? Bro GM has well explained).
Had the IDEA so right, we would see sizeable number of followers at the place where it originatged - there NEVER was any following in those countries.
Bro Gulam Mohammad, Good replies .......... however Abdes will totally disagree. Perhaps there are lakhs to bohras in Saudi and Yemen, but are in 'Purda' with the so-called hidden Imam .......
Bro Hussain KSA - your numbers may be correct, but my point is WHY they are so small at places which were Ruled by Fatimis and are the origon of Islam (or Shiaism or Bohraism)?? Why most of them are in India?? To me, message of Shaiism or Bohraism was not that impressive or convincing for masses in those days or those countries and they did not buy it. On the other hand when it came to India (or 'brought' to Indian Sub-Continent) many believed that (why? Bro GM has well explained).
Had the IDEA so right, we would see sizeable number of followers at the place where it originatged - there NEVER was any following in those countries.
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Hussain_KSA
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Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
Brother JC
I know what you want to hear but blieve me the fact will not be digestable to most of the readers of this forum. Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Yeman are arabic speaking countries where people read and understand Quran. That's why you will not find other sect in mejority who doesn't follow islamic teachings.
So the best option was India where idol worshiping has been in practice since centruries and where no one bother what the other sect is doing.
They way Ismaili/mustali/tayyabi doctrine chagned into human worship and other innovations, once can not even imagine doing these things in arab countries openly.
Where is dawat and whrere is conversion of non bohras to dawoodi bohra cult?
I know what you want to hear but blieve me the fact will not be digestable to most of the readers of this forum. Saudi Arabia, Egypt and Yeman are arabic speaking countries where people read and understand Quran. That's why you will not find other sect in mejority who doesn't follow islamic teachings.
So the best option was India where idol worshiping has been in practice since centruries and where no one bother what the other sect is doing.
They way Ismaili/mustali/tayyabi doctrine chagned into human worship and other innovations, once can not even imagine doing these things in arab countries openly.
Where is dawat and whrere is conversion of non bohras to dawoodi bohra cult?
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ozmujaheed
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Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
To the one who asked why Progs have failed to convert
They have managed to convert the Abdes
But as I have mentioned before the current Ismailism that has survived in India is faulty and it has only grown through birth rate.
Once someone appreciates mainstream Islam it is very very difficult to reason with the bohra theology .
In it's current form and global secular pressures within Islam and external it is the least attractive.
They have managed to convert the Abdes
But as I have mentioned before the current Ismailism that has survived in India is faulty and it has only grown through birth rate.
Once someone appreciates mainstream Islam it is very very difficult to reason with the bohra theology .
In it's current form and global secular pressures within Islam and external it is the least attractive.
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Muslim First
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Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
Be OZ, ASIn it's current form and global secular pressures within Islam and external it is the least attractive.
Interesting, can you elaborate
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ozmujaheed
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Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
Bro MF
Bohraism currently is led from India where it has been tolerated since India is a very secular and tolerant society, no one bothers with its deviant practises.
While in the Middle East the centre of Islamic propogation Muslim youth are not too fussed with secterian differences or fundamentalism, see how civilised the political protests are being run, it is the incumbant government goons that are violent.
The Islamic youth rarely identify themselves by secterian identities and are happy to mingle. The trend is many youth are so liberal that women are able to gain equal rights, dating sites are growing, and hence Islamic rules are eroding and less and less being practised. But this is not to say the youth are not identifying themselves as Muslims...it is they are not practising as much as 20 years ago we would expect a Muslim to behave.
The Pakistani effigy buring crowds are now minority and remnant of past civilisation.
Now with the Muslim youth flexing the rules they are finding easy to fit into their new definition of Islamic principles.
Now if you pose Ismailism which belives in mythology and legends and some medeival type of theology..it is difficult for a non-Bohra intelectual to comprehend conversion.
Eg if one day an old man who never caught a bus or train, is just there because his father instructed us, did not earn his position gets up and gurantees entry to heaven by loving him and obeying him and dress up in some nawab saya, how do you digest and accept such theories when all along your parents taught you you are responsible for your deeds and you are bombarded by the Internet that the Prophet was a simple human who earned his livelihhod, went through ups and down and rarely claimed to be any super human.
I hope you can understand what I am implying ?
Bohraism currently is led from India where it has been tolerated since India is a very secular and tolerant society, no one bothers with its deviant practises.
While in the Middle East the centre of Islamic propogation Muslim youth are not too fussed with secterian differences or fundamentalism, see how civilised the political protests are being run, it is the incumbant government goons that are violent.
The Islamic youth rarely identify themselves by secterian identities and are happy to mingle. The trend is many youth are so liberal that women are able to gain equal rights, dating sites are growing, and hence Islamic rules are eroding and less and less being practised. But this is not to say the youth are not identifying themselves as Muslims...it is they are not practising as much as 20 years ago we would expect a Muslim to behave.
The Pakistani effigy buring crowds are now minority and remnant of past civilisation.
Now with the Muslim youth flexing the rules they are finding easy to fit into their new definition of Islamic principles.
Now if you pose Ismailism which belives in mythology and legends and some medeival type of theology..it is difficult for a non-Bohra intelectual to comprehend conversion.
Eg if one day an old man who never caught a bus or train, is just there because his father instructed us, did not earn his position gets up and gurantees entry to heaven by loving him and obeying him and dress up in some nawab saya, how do you digest and accept such theories when all along your parents taught you you are responsible for your deeds and you are bombarded by the Internet that the Prophet was a simple human who earned his livelihhod, went through ups and down and rarely claimed to be any super human.
I hope you can understand what I am implying ?
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Al Zulfiqar
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Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
blackstallion,
your basic premise is wrong at its very outset. you ask why no one converts to bohraism.
let me ask you, have you attended sabaks? if you do, you will learn that whatever you see around you is not true, it is not the reality you perceive. this world is full of illusions, it is a maya jaal, as the hindu philosophy says. often your senses deceive and lead you astray. according to bohra theology, there is immense taaweel behind everyday, mundane happenings.
if you look with new eyes, after receiving secret and esoteric instructions and knowledge in sabaks, then you will realise that the world is full of bohras. for reasons of taqqiya, and this will be shocking news to everyone on this forum, most of the muslim and some hindu leaders are actually secretly bohras. the MHI aga khan, ayatollah sistani, shahi imam bukhari of jama masjid, the dai of the aliya bohras, several saudi princes incl. prince salman, prince bandar, the crown prince of dubai, even narendra modi, swami nityanand, sai baba etc etc and many many more other world leaders are bohras!! i cannot reveal all the other names here for obvious reasons.
for political, secular and religious reasons they wish not to reveal this, or huge social, religious and communal revolutions will take place. you have to read between the lines. even the revolution in egypt, tunisia, syria and now libya are taking place because the opposition leaders have seen the light and noor of allah in our haq nasaheb, and decided that the time is ripe to overthrow the forces of evil. all these events are but mere harbingers of the bohra revolution sweeping this world like a tsunami. if you have faith you will see everyone as bohra, every govt bldg as a markaz and mawaid, every palace as saifee mahal, every human face as an abde of the ilah ul ardh. but lack of faith, and all you will see is loneliness, desolation and depression and just a few bohras paranoid with their isolation getting increasingly strident at their having been sidelined on the garbage heap of history.
the choice is yours.....
your basic premise is wrong at its very outset. you ask why no one converts to bohraism.
let me ask you, have you attended sabaks? if you do, you will learn that whatever you see around you is not true, it is not the reality you perceive. this world is full of illusions, it is a maya jaal, as the hindu philosophy says. often your senses deceive and lead you astray. according to bohra theology, there is immense taaweel behind everyday, mundane happenings.
if you look with new eyes, after receiving secret and esoteric instructions and knowledge in sabaks, then you will realise that the world is full of bohras. for reasons of taqqiya, and this will be shocking news to everyone on this forum, most of the muslim and some hindu leaders are actually secretly bohras. the MHI aga khan, ayatollah sistani, shahi imam bukhari of jama masjid, the dai of the aliya bohras, several saudi princes incl. prince salman, prince bandar, the crown prince of dubai, even narendra modi, swami nityanand, sai baba etc etc and many many more other world leaders are bohras!! i cannot reveal all the other names here for obvious reasons.
for political, secular and religious reasons they wish not to reveal this, or huge social, religious and communal revolutions will take place. you have to read between the lines. even the revolution in egypt, tunisia, syria and now libya are taking place because the opposition leaders have seen the light and noor of allah in our haq nasaheb, and decided that the time is ripe to overthrow the forces of evil. all these events are but mere harbingers of the bohra revolution sweeping this world like a tsunami. if you have faith you will see everyone as bohra, every govt bldg as a markaz and mawaid, every palace as saifee mahal, every human face as an abde of the ilah ul ardh. but lack of faith, and all you will see is loneliness, desolation and depression and just a few bohras paranoid with their isolation getting increasingly strident at their having been sidelined on the garbage heap of history.
the choice is yours.....
Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
The reason no one converts to bohraism is because their is no privacy,also the membership dues are too high. 
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murtaza2152
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Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
How u get so much time to write these posts??Al Zulfiqar wrote:blackstallion,
your basic premise is wrong at its very outset. you ask why no one converts to bohraism.
let me ask you, have you attended sabaks? if you do, you will learn that whatever you see around you is not true, it is not the reality you perceive. this world is full of illusions, it is a maya jaal, as the hindu philosophy says. often your senses deceive and lead you astray. according to bohra theology, there is immense taaweel behind everyday, mundane happenings.
if you look with new eyes, after receiving secret and esoteric instructions and knowledge in sabaks, then you will realise that the world is full of bohras. for reasons of taqqiya, and this will be shocking news to everyone on this forum, most of the muslim and some hindu leaders are actually secretly bohras. the MHI aga khan, ayatollah sistani, shahi imam bukhari of jama masjid, the dai of the aliya bohras, several saudi princes incl. prince salman, prince bandar, the crown prince of dubai, even narendra modi, swami nityanand, sai baba etc etc and many many more other world leaders are bohras!! i cannot reveal all the other names here for obvious reasons.
for political, secular and religious reasons they wish not to reveal this, or huge social, religious and communal revolutions will take place. you have to read between the lines. even the revolution in egypt, tunisia, syria and now libya are taking place because the opposition leaders have seen the light and noor of allah in our haq nasaheb, and decided that the time is ripe to overthrow the forces of evil. all these events are but mere harbingers of the bohra revolution sweeping this world like a tsunami. if you have faith you will see everyone as bohra, every govt bldg as a markaz and mawaid, every palace as saifee mahal, every human face as an abde of the ilah ul ardh. but lack of faith, and all you will see is loneliness, desolation and depression and just a few bohras paranoid with their isolation getting increasingly strident at their having been sidelined on the garbage heap of history.
the choice is yours.....
You should launch a magazine or portal against Syedna tus........
u will earn great profit.....
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Al Zulfiqar
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Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
murtaza2152 wrote:
How u get so much time to write these posts??
the same way you have so much time to read my posts...
You should launch a magazine or portal against Syedna tus. u will earn great profit.....
the portal or magazine you desire is right here, this forum, which u so religiously visit everyday to defend your criminal and kafir masters. as for profit, that is the department of the kothar, u shud give them yr ideas. if we follow yur advice, u wud have to pay membership fees to come and spew your garbage here. are u prepared for that?
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Muslim First
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Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
PHOTOS: Simaro Nemat al Tafadi (Album IV)
http://akhbar.mumineen.org/2011/04/01/p ... -album-iv/
Look at picture no. 1
do I want convert to Bohra religion and turn into Zombie?
What is the meaning of "Simaro Nemat al Tafadi"?
http://akhbar.mumineen.org/2011/04/01/p ... -album-iv/
Look at picture no. 1
do I want convert to Bohra religion and turn into Zombie?
What is the meaning of "Simaro Nemat al Tafadi"?
Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
I am curious. When did the abdes idiots start standing in front of their idol with folded hands? I remember this wasn't the case a few years back. This folding of hands in the namaste pose is something new. Can someone comment?
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ghulam muhammed
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Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
It reminds me of a dialogue from the masterpiece 'Mughal-e-azam".......Muslim First wrote:Look at picture no. 1
do I want convert to Bohra religion and turn into Zombie?
What is the meaning of "Simaro Nemat al Tafadi"?
Baa Adab, Baa Mulaiza Hoshiar,
Zille Ilahi, Jalludin (Burhanudin) Mohammed Akbar
Jalwa Afroz Ho Rahe Hai.
Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
I'm sorry that you guys found my post offensive.. but it was my honest opinion of my personal observation..
Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
Yes these people not of the right mind convert to the Wahabi faith?Jockey wrote:why would anyone in their right mind convert to such a fake and ignorant cult???
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ghulam muhammed
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Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
Have you seen the audio/video tapes on this forum wherein Muffy issues fatwas for women which are similar to Wahabis ?pheonix wrote:Jockey wrote:why would anyone in their right mind convert to such a fake and ignorant cult???
Yes these people not of the right mind convert to the Wahabi faith?
Re: If they are true....? Why no one converts to Bohraism?
As long as muffy is around, forget conversion, we are the laughing stock of the world! Send muffy back to the Dark Ages - he belongs in a monastery in Europe along with the Spanish Inquisitions! Muffy = hatred, anger, intolerance, dadagiri, gundagiri, self-doubt, low self esteem.
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ghulam muhammed
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Muffy could not convert Baba Ramdev who 'gale lagaofied' him nor the Hindu guy who saw the Nass drama in dreams so how can he convert others who have not even heard his name.
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I think your are wrong, Rasuallah (SAW) did a very good Job, there are 2 billion muslims on this planet Earth out of 7 billion inhabitants. And statistics shows everyday they is one person accepting Islam as their religion. We could have better ratio is it wasn't for these terrorist activity and current bad reflection of Islam by non other then Muslims themselves.murtaza2152 wrote:Bro,
Rasulallah was also true but only some people answered his dawaat,
Imam said its not possible that all people can turn to Haq and world is full of Mumineens,
May Allah give knoledge to all to follow Haq, which is with 52nd Dail Mutlaq Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin tus,
The Haq follows him wherever Dai goes.....
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White men is still revered in Bohra firq. One white who married a bohra girl does not know dawat ni zaban nor know know how to read Arabic is invited to sit in first Shaff and promoted to shaikh title. English people left India 65 years now but Gulami of white men is still runs in our blood.seeker110 wrote:The reason no one converts to bohraism is because their is no privacy,also the membership dues are too high.