Ashara 1436 Surat

[ghulam muhammed]

Bohras rightly use the phrase “Ashura MUBARAK” for Mohurrum because if one reflects on their activities in this solemn month then one can conclude that there is no better phrase then “Mubarak” as Mohurrum is actually “Celebrated” rather than “Commemorated” or even “Mourned” as they claim. The only words that are heard are “Su DHAMAAL chhe”, “Su Intezaam chhe”, “Su Jaman Chhe” !! Now how can there be a trace of mourning when there is “Dhamaal” ? The word Mubarak was used from the time SMB started his worldwide tour at different locales to deliver sermons and Bohras were overwhelmed and overjoyed with the thought of exploring different destinations in the garb of Mohurrum at subsidised rates which gave them a chance to shop and freak around in cities which otherwise was difficult for them to explore. No matter how much the abdes try to twist the meaning of ‘Mubarak’ to justify it but the fact remains that there definitely is a sense of joy when it comes to the Mohurrum funfare rather than a sense of gloom which they try so hard to falsely project. Mohurrum is also more “Mubarak” for the Dai and his henchmen because it is one of the months after Ramzan when their BUSINESS is at peak.

What one sees in the current Surat funfare is nothing but a vulgar display of pomp and grandeur by their leader who takes immense pride in parading himself in air conditioned Cinderella buggy accompanied by a band of abde musicians and roaming in a Palkhi in Masjid thereby imitating his father and trying to score brownie points from his followers as SMB is the other marketing tool besides Imam Hussain (a.s.) by which he is able to fool Bohras and make more money. What is more surprising is that the vulgar display of Yazidi traits are actually viewed as “Mola ni shaan” rather than invite rightful condemnation !

There are serpentine queues of abdes in the narrow lanes of zampa bazar who line up right after the sermons for their regular quota of 2 kharas 2 mithas at different venues. Although the attendance as on 8th Mohurrum was around 70,000 but it was projected as over 1.5 lakhs because the narrow lanes of zampa bazar where it is difficult to ply even 2 wheelers is bursting at its seams which obviously gives a picture of a very huge crowd. The streets are so narrow and cramped up that even Michael Schumacher would have a hard time maneuvering his car in these streets. Hence the adage that “Kitni bheed hati, kitlo moto crowd hato, Mola ni su shaan chhe” is used as a propaganda by Muffy’s marketing team and his bunch of abdes. The other ones making merry and having a heyday are the various fast food joints cramped up in these tiny streets serving tikkas, payas, kheeris, kalejis and naan chaps and the auto rickshaw guys who too are having a field day as they charge not less then Rs.50/- for a distance of less then a kilometre.

The lies of “Mola nu jaman” on 8th Mohurrum was so easily fed to the abdes that they never realised that they themselves were forced to do Araz of ‘Fakhir Rakam’ for Niyaz-e-Hussain which ran into crores of rupees coupled with the millions of dollars that scores of filthy rich NRI abdes from Dubai, Kuwait, Africa, UK and USA contributed. The amount collected in the garb of Niyaz-e-Hussain was actually 100 times more then the actual expense !! The other “Fakhir Rakams” collected by way of various other scams like Hussaini and Mohammedi Qardan Hasanah added more crores to the Dai’s coffers.

The Ziyafats started no sooner Muffy put his feet in Surat and the Ziyafat phobia is gathering pace with rich NRI abdes lining up at the Amil’s office to get the “Azeem” sharaf of getting slaughtered at the hands of Muffy in this Mubarak month of Mohurrum right after Ashura. Needless to say that the Ziyafat rates are much higher as compared to other days as Ashura is after all a Mubarak month. The extra bonus that the Dai will get by way of awarding fake titles like Hadiyats, Mafsusiyats, qadambosi bethaks and the number of nikahs performed by him will fetch him a few more crores. It is estimated that he will conservatively make a cool Rs.600/700 crores in this month alone.

When the Raja is Mahachor than obviously the Praja isn’t far behind. The scores of khidmatguzars who line up to do the so called khidmat are also having a field day in connivance with local jamat members and Amils as they have explored different ways of making money. One such is the “Pathaari scam” which is rumoured to run into a few crores of rupees . It so happened that the khidmatguzars realised that a huge number of pathaaris (mattresses) will be required for Bohras to sleep in the shamianas erected on open grounds and also many other places where accommodation was provided by kothar. Normally the same are got on rent which is around Rs.40/50 per day, so it means spending around Rs.400/500 for 10 days of Mohurrum. The wicked minds started doing calculations and convinced the higher ups that it would be economical to purchase them and later sell them at discounted rates. Hence before the tamasha began, orders were placed to procure thousands of pathaaris which were delivered at the rate of around 3/5000 pathaaris per day and as per estimates 1 lac were purchased by kothar. The same were purchased @ Rs.400/- per piece but the invoices were raised @ Rs.850/- per piece. Hence even if we assume that only half of the actual quantity (i.e. 50,000 Nos) were purchased then too the small frys made a cool Rs.2.25 crores in this scam. As per the condition with manufacturers, the same would be ultimately sold to them after 10 days @ Rs.200/- per piece. Now here too they will make a few more lakhs as almost 10/15% of the goods will be shown as torn, burnt or stained thereby making another Rs.200/- per piece x 5000/7000 pathaaris = Rs.14 lacs. This is just one of the many items that were purchased, there were many other items like bedsheets, pillows, lotas, paatlas, chicken, mutton, icecream, rice, wheat, mineral water, soft drinks etc etc. Hence it could be anyones guess as to the amount of money that these low rung volunteers made. So now we find one more reason behind the enthusiasm of local people being keen that Mohurrum tamashas be held in their cities as after all such opportunities of making huge amounts of money comes only once a year. And to say that every Jamat is keen and having “Valvalo” of inviting their master due to their immense love for him and Imam Hussain (a.s.) is a hogwash and farce.

Hence, why shouldn’t Bohras use the term “Mubarak” for this solemn month and why shouldn’t the Dai and his henchmen vehemently impose the term when Daulat Mubarak or Mata Laxmi comes running to them. Hence it is left to the readers to conclude whether the solemn month when the greatest sacrifices were made by Imam Hussain (a.s.) and shohadas is “Mourned” or “Celebrated” ??? Whether ANY lessons are ever learnt during these 10 days and whether the so called Dai is fit to be called “Hussain na Dai” !!!

[DisillusionedDB]

GM bhai, you summed it up perfectly.

This is just one of the many items that were purchased, there were many other items like bedsheets, pillows, lotas, paatlas, chicken, mutton, icecream, rice, wheat, mineral water, soft drinks etc etc.

Add to that .. the TV sets, fans, lights, carpets and the killing a few people made by booking all the hotel rooms of all the hotels in Surat and then auctioning them off.

[haqniwaat]

They did shake up kothar though and ultimately this Ashara in Surat, Dai himself confirmed that indeed Mazoon was being targeted all those years.

Can you please elaborate on this? So mufaddal bs said more on this subject?

[ghulam muhammed]

SMS looked really pretty in the chariot ! Hasta huva noorani chehra,

Hasta huva noorani chehra....... Kaala chashma, rang sunehra, teri dramebaazi tauba tauba re, Dai na rutba, Dai na rutba !!

[kimanumanu]

They did shake up kothar though and ultimately this Ashara in Surat, Dai himself confirmed that indeed Mazoon was being targeted all those years.

Can you please elaborate on this? So mufaddal bs said more on this subject?

I don't recall exact words but in one of his off-script moments, he went on about how Mazoon was doing dushmani for years i.e. even during Syedna Burhanuddin RA's hayati. In my mind, he basically confirmed that what was being mentioned by Taizoon bhai on the zahir-batin website was true. If he knew/believed that Mazoon was doing dushmani then what misaq was he taking all those years.

[Crater Lake]

gulam mohammed

There is nothing wrong with that.
Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin did the same.
And KQ has started is Saturday "bethaks" in Thane as well. I don't see you mentioning that.

Somewhere during 90’s, we used to see muharram as a solemn and quiet month and specially ashara where bohra would refrain from any entertainment. In Kuwait, we used to see non bohra/non shia muslims organizing marriages with loud lighting, during those sober times amidst bohra communities, the amils would be ridiculing these non-bohras to show us (bohras) how wrong they are to celebrate in such somber times. Fast forward to today’s times and bohras are more louder, flashier and extravagant. They are prioritizing welcoming of the hussain-na-dai with fan fare then ashara’s essence !

Bohras don’t need an outsider to break their faith, their very own leaders are doing the job for the devil !

Ziyafat, nikaahs and other social services are prime revenue generators. Ashura is a single big event to bring all the customers in one place. Why would the DAIs (SKQ or SMS) miss out on this opportunity. There is nothing wrong with anything ! SMS maula’s shanaat is mysterious in its own ways. He can ride a A/C buggy with a colorful band baja parade and then sit to cry (rov-jevu-moo) in explaining the troubles of the Imam Hussein in karbala sip on the sherbet and talk about their thirst ! SMS and SMB are hussain-na-dai, Ali-na-dai, that ALI who would live in a dilapidated house and eat sukho-aato ! who else can tell us about troubles of ahle-bayt from the plush comforts of daawat-e-hadiya !

What is the next plan, a trip to Africa for a hunting picnic ? Hunting of Animals for pleasure is banned in India, and ofcourse SMS respects the law of land to the “T” ..waiting eagerly for the next hunting safari pictures. Want to see the shanaat and jalal when the hunted animal would come in front to do sajda to the SMS.
By the way, SMS looked really pretty in the chariot ! Hasta huva noorani chehra,
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Adam & SKQ followers

A word of advise for your masters ! make the 10 day fast compulsory for the ashara ! then sit and narrate the troubles of Imam Hussein, family and shohodaas in the fasting, that would be a microscopic closer gratitude to gham-e-hussein !
Cut the fan fare, lavish feasts, drums and drama. Keep your self glorification aside for these 10 days at least ! cut the ziyafats money spinner program. 40 days of sobriety will not dent the revenue in flow, there are other days in the year to squeeze the cash out of abdes !

Humanbeing there was no tamasha, bandbaazi or celebration during Ashara either in Bakersfield or in Thane. We ate masoor and bhaaji in our meals every day and haleem for Ashura. It does not get simpler than that. Did you see any pictures of SKQ TUS or Taher Bhaisaheb in a girly chariot? Please choose your words carefully. Place blame where it is deserved.

[pheonix]

Somewhere during 90’s, we used to see muharram as a solemn and quiet month and specially ashara where bohra would refrain from any entertainment. In Kuwait, we used to see non bohra/non shia muslims organizing marriages with loud lighting, during those sober times amidst bohra communities, the amils would be ridiculing these non-bohras to show us (bohras) how wrong they are to celebrate in such somber times. Fast forward to today’s times and bohras are more louder, flashier and extravagant. They are prioritizing welcoming of the hussain-na-dai with fan fare then ashara’s essence !

Bohras don’t need an outsider to break their faith, their very own leaders are doing the job for the devil !

Ziyafat, nikaahs and other social services are prime revenue generators. Ashura is a single big event to bring all the customers in one place. Why would the DAIs (SKQ or SMS) miss out on this opportunity. There is nothing wrong with anything ! SMS maula’s shanaat is mysterious in its own ways. He can ride a A/C buggy with a colorful band baja parade and then sit to cry (rov-jevu-moo) in explaining the troubles of the Imam Hussein in karbala sip on the sherbet and talk about their thirst ! SMS and SMB are hussain-na-dai, Ali-na-dai, that ALI who would live in a dilapidated house and eat sukho-aato ! who else can tell us about troubles of ahle-bayt from the plush comforts of daawat-e-hadiya !

What is the next plan, a trip to Africa for a hunting picnic ? Hunting of Animals for pleasure is banned in India, and ofcourse SMS respects the law of land to the “T” ..waiting eagerly for the next hunting safari pictures. Want to see the shanaat and jalal when the hunted animal would come in front to do sajda to the SMS.
By the way, SMS looked really pretty in the chariot ! Hasta huva noorani chehra,
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Adam & SKQ followers

A word of advise for your masters ! make the 10 day fast compulsory for the ashara ! then sit and narrate the troubles of Imam Hussein, family and shohodaas in the fasting, that would be a microscopic closer gratitude to gham-e-hussein !
Cut the fan fare, lavish feasts, drums and drama. Keep your self glorification aside for these 10 days at least ! cut the ziyafats money spinner program. 40 days of sobriety will not dent the revenue in flow, there are other days in the year to squeeze the cash out of abdes !

Humanbeing there was no tamasha, bandbaazi or celebration during Ashara either in Bakersfield or in Thane. We ate masoor and bhaaji in our meals every day and haleem for Ashura. It does not get simpler than that. Did you see any pictures of SKQ TUS or Taher Bhaisaheb in a girly chariot? Please choose your words carefully. Place blame where it is deserved.

How the hell can they have a chariot. Kandha kon deta. Not enough of you out there

[ghulam muhammed]

How the hell can they have a chariot. Kandha kon deta. Not enough of you out there

Did Muffy need a thousand abdes to lift his Palkhi ? Is he that heavy ??

[UnhappyBohra]

How the hell can they have a chariot. Kandha kon deta. Not enough of you out there

Someone mentioned hubris....The Romans must have felt this way before Rome burned. Pheonix (learn to spell dude! You can't even spell your name right.) you know very well that truth is not always with the majority. If you really, truly believed that truth is in numbers, you would be a Suleimani today. I myself drag myself to the masjid and am present with the mindless hundreds there but I yearn to be with the small group of the brave and righteous.

Plus dude, you need a horse for a carriage. Not kandha.

[SBM]

Seems like this Ashara, Kothari Goons didnot line up all the Bribed politicians to receive Shawls after Ashura? May be this forum put little shame in them.

[ghulam muhammed]

Seems like this Ashara, Kothari Goons didnot line up all the Bribed politicians to receive Shawls after Ashura? May be this forum put little shame in them.

They didn't want to make it look obvious that Surat was chosen because of their close proximity with Narendra Modi.

[Dumbledore]

I heard there is a video clip of SkQ saheb swearing by quraan.
Can anyone post it here

[haqniwaat]

I heard there is a video clip of SkQ saheb swearing by quraan.
Can anyone post it here

http://www.fatemidawat.com/resources/re ... shura.html

[qutub_mamajiwala]

he has sweared twice, once after wafaat of SMB and again on aashura.
SMS has not done even once.
according to unofficial site belivesayednaqutubbin he does not need to do as he is bolta Quran.
and bolta Quran need not swear by natiq Quran.
really i dont know what to make out of this.

[haqniwaat]

He is probably too scared to swear by the Quran because he knows he may get struck by lightning!

[humanbeing]

Humanbeing there was no tamasha, bandbaazi or celebration during Ashara either in Bakersfield or in Thane. We ate masoor and bhaaji in our meals every day and haleem for Ashura. It does not get simpler than that. Did you see any pictures of SKQ TUS or Taher Bhaisaheb in a girly chariot? Please choose your words carefully. Place blame where it is deserved.

Crater Lake

My apologies for the harsh words, however I wished to convey the advise of 10 day fasting would be a good idea. I am glad to know that there is no dramabazi and fanfare in SKQ camp. I am not sure about the self-glorification. It runs quiet evidently in the “royal” family. Also glad to know the menu for jaman was simple. Dal/rice, dcp, bhaaji, haleem, kheer, suji no halwo seems more appropriate.

In my personal opinion, I wish if our bohra community observed muharram in the most austere way to pay respect to Imam-hussain and shaheeds.

10 day fasting for the ashara

Evening majlis (roshni) would be after maghrib namaz

A simple jaman or just iftaar (tea and dates) or token salwaat (fruit, cookie, juice, laddu etc)

There was a time, token salwaat was followed, I remember my MOM bringing the token salwaat and sharing it amongst us siblings apart from our shares too. We consumed this salwaat with a sense of gratitude towards imam hussain. Even a small piece of cookie (naankhatai) was consumed with a spiritual feeling ( I don’t have exact words to express my feelings)

Flashy colorful decoration of panjatan’s names all around the masjid. I do understand that such decoration is done in good spirit, but the whole set up with huge cut outs and danglers all over gives a different ambience of celebrations. At most, we can keep the decorations to minimum and sober.

Farmaan from the DAI to maintain austerety in one’s appearance, specially women, the make-up, jewellery and the designer ridaas.

The fancy parade with band baja must be avoided.

Namaaz takes a back seat in muharram, the amils rush through the 2 farijat namaaz. Forget the whole namaaz with sunnat and nafelat, even the 2 farijat namaaz is done within few minutes. I wonder, Imam Hussein sacrificed his life for saving the namaaz and here the namaaz itself is rushed through !

[SBM]

Br HB
Why do we need more innovation of having 10 days of fasts. To me having long all day Waiz really does not accomplish anything. With the advent of technology,entire Moharrum except for Ashura could be relayed.
I listened to some of the Waiz relayed from Bakersfield and listened to live Ashra. Even though Taher BS also spent a great time about inter family fight but what I noticed that he was very meticulous and no nonsense abuse of anyone was done. It was refreshing to know that I did not hear the same "Simr aye Aawi ney Thukhar Maari----which is a common place with SMS group
On the flip side, there were many people who were flown from all over the world to different Marrakaz in USA (as Raza naa Sahib since local Aamils were flown to Surat) and these people did not even recite a single Majlis but all they did it put on the SMS or old SMB video even in one part of USA this person did not recite Shahdat but put SMS's video from Surat. Never understood what was the purpose of bringing this person from India, pay his airline tickets, his accommodation and then his Najwas if all he did was to just sit there and raise his hand to push button for A/V machine. He did not even had Raza for leading the prayers. This was an added financial burden on the local Jamaatis

Question for Adam/Phoenix
Why can not SMS now put all his Moharrum Waiz on web so people can avail themselves of all the Swaab. what is he afraid off...

[DisillusionedDB]

Br HB
To me having long all day Waiz ...

Limit the waaz time to 1 hour or 1.5 hours max.

Never understood what was the purpose of bringing this person from India, pay his airline tickets, his accommodation and then his Najwas

Money. First, the saheb has to earn his keep and then he has to make sure he milks the mumineen for mola's najwas, niyaz jamans, qarzan hasanah etc etc. If there is no saheb then who will enforce the collections.

This was an added financial burden on the local Jamaatis

He was here to unburden the pockets of the mumineen and be considerate enough to carry all the burden of money on his strong shoulders. It was his (and mola's) ehsaan that he accepted the fakhir rakams

[Adam]

@haqniwaat

Humanbeing there was no tamasha, bandbaazi or celebration during Ashara either in Bakersfield or in Thane. We ate masoor and bhaaji in our meals every day and haleem for Ashura. It does not get simpler than that.

Why was that?
When Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin used to feed Mumineen 'faakhir jaman' during Ashara. Shouldn't you'll be following his footsteps and not try to change all his traditions? (This picture is of Shz Shabbir BS feeding Mumineen during Ashara with Aqa Moula on the 8th of Moharram)


Or is it because you guys are broke or don't have good enough caterers.

Either way, i'm sad for you guys.

Did you see any pictures of SKQ TUS or Taher Bhaisaheb in a girly chariot?

No. But I did see Syedna Mohammed Burhannuddin RA in a chariot on 100 mi Milad.
I've also read about Fatemi Imams riding glorious chariots.
Are you going to insult them as well?

@SBM

Even though Taher BS also spent a great time about inter family fight but what I noticed that he was very meticulous and no nonsense abuse of anyone was done.

Here's for the "no nonsense":
http://qutbibohras.blogspot.com/2014/11 ... bi-as.html

Question for Adam/Phoenix
Why can not SMS now put all his Moharrum Waiz on web so people can avail themselves of all the Swaab. what is he afraid off...

Have you ever seen Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin put his Moharram Waaz on the web?
My thoughts exactly.

[Crater Lake]

Adam Burhanuddin Aqa's carriage was regal, not something stolen from a Disney parade. MS would not know regal if it slapped him in the face.

Also Burhanuddin Aqa rode a carriage in 100mi milad. Not in Ashara.

Additionally, no matter how much you try to point people to your stupid blog, people have watched the Waaz on both sides and made up their minds using their own judgement. Just because you are putting a spin on it, they don't have to change their mind!

[UnhappyBohra]

Haha yes it was stolen from a Disney parade and the the local mechanic put an A/C on it. Seriously does the man have no pride! Burhanuddin Moula rode open air like a Man! Then
MS tried to ride open air and he ended up looking like Ramses standing on a flatbed truck!

And yes! I heard the Waaz on both sides! Taher bs 9 MS 3. I give him a 3 because he read the script without too many mistakes. Head down like a good boy. Except when he went off script
Burhanuddin Moula only read from script in his later years. When he was healthier he only referred to papers for points and could go on for quite long without looking down.

[kimanumanu]

Have you ever seen Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin put his Moharram Waaz on the web?
My thoughts exactly.

Actually yes he did. That's how relay happens you know. Maybe you meant on the web without any login/password?

[thesource]

Received:
Lahnat on this Maloon servant Aamil. May he be eaten by dogs and so be his boss.

[humanbeing]

Have you ever seen Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin put his Moharram Waaz on the web?
My thoughts exactly.

Actually yes he did. That's how relay happens you know. Maybe you meant on the web without any login/password?

Correct me if Iam wrong, but SMB's waaz was uploaded on maalumaat.com too.

[MMH]

Actually yes he did. That's how relay happens you know. Maybe you meant on the web without any login/password?

Correct me if Iam wrong, but SMB's waaz was uploaded on maalumaat.com too.

As an afterthought due to the success of the fatemidawat waaz.

[SBM]

Have you ever seen Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin put his Moharram Waaz on the web?
My thoughts exactly.

Adam
It is very strange that you keep on bringing SMB for everything so let me ask you
DID SMB EVER ASKED EVERY ABDE/AMTE TO MAKE ROTI?
DID SMB EVER HUGGED BABA RAMDEV?
DID SMB EVER ASKED AMTES NOT TO WORK IN CALL CENTER
DID SMB EVER ISSUED THE LAANAATS ON ANY OF H IS FAMILY MEMBER
So if you want to drag SMB to justify SMS's idiotic actions let us hear about it
Others are welcome to add on this list

When Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin used to feed Mumineen 'faakhir jaman' during Ashara.

And who was paying for it???????????? In case if you suffer for memory lapses, Abdes/Amtes are asked to ARZ FAKHIR RAQAM for Moula's NIYAZZA

[anajmi]

Received:
Lahnat on this Maloon servant Aamil. May he be eaten by dogs and so be his boss.

Are people listening to audio? This should be posted anywhere and everywhere. This Amil should be paraded naked on a donkey.

[ghulam muhammed]

But I did see Syedna Mohammed Burhannuddin RA in a chariot on 100 mi Milad.
I've also read about Fatemi Imams riding glorious chariots.
Are you going to insult them as well?

You go on playing the same record again and again no matter how absurd it is ! It has been pointed out before also that Fatemi Imams did indulge in some celebrations like above because they GOVERNED many provinces and hence they were kings/rulers of their territories and hence it was a conduct befitting a king, can you give me the name of one country or province of which the Dai is a king/ruler, just by giving himself the self proclaimed title of "Sultan" doesn't make him a king. And BTW why does the Dai (like you) cherry pick instances as suited best to him ? Why doesn't he emulate the austerity of Mola Ali (a.s.) and Imam Hussain (a.s.) which he so vociferously claims to follow ? Have you ever seen him eating "Jav no aato" like Mola Ali (a.s.) or going with his shehzadas to Saudi Arabia to fight with the Wahabis who are demolishing holy sites or to Iraq to fight the ISIS like Imam Hussain (a.s.) and save the rozas of Mola Ali (a.s.) and Imam hussain (a.s.) which in every likelihood could be the next targets of ISIS ?

[seeker110]

The 51st was an ignorant tyrant with a bad character. He took away a man's natural rights. Any infringement on ordinary bohra is a heinous crime. He called himself Panjatan na Dai. All he was, in reality, was a robber wearing saya instead of a mask.

Now his sons and their family is fighting for loot, belonging to the Yateem, old and poor. I wish all of them the pain and suffering ta qayamat.

All the haq na sahib are both sides of the same coin.

[DisillusionedDB]

So if you want to drag SMB to justify SMS's idiotic actions let us hear about it

It has actually become quite obvious in these past few months that SMS does not have anything substantial to credit to his name so he has to invoke SMB's name to keep the raiyyat in control and keep the dai no walvalo alive. You can see this in all the waaz too .. he has to keep mentioning his bawaji saheb did this, did that, said this, said that. Now the taweel about 'Al Hayy' is dawning upon me