Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by humanbeing » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:37 am

SMS camp should react to this gesture.. In addition to so many “unambiguous” , “crystal clear” evidences of Nass. SMS can also swear upon Quran about his appointment. This will make the aqeedah of the SMS followers more strong and help them throw more stronger laanats. This is an easy task as compared to remembering a date of nass couple of years ago or sourcing of Brahmin’s witnesses.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by qutub_mamajiwala » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:49 am

their unofficial website has already clarified on this.
KQ swored by Quran before also after wafat of SMB.
according to them MS is bolta Quran and does not need to swear by natiq Quran.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Dumbledore » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:26 am

rational_guy wrote:Syedna Qutbuddin’s TUS focus in Ashara was on the bounties of the ‘ilm of Aale Muhammad, the remembrance of Imam Husain SA, and providing guidance for his followers, despite vehement verbal attacks. On the occasion of Syedna Hatim’s Urus, we remember that although he had to leave San’aa, Syedna Hatim established the Dawat in Hutaib and in the kehfun-naeem (cave of paradise) in Hutaib he nourished those who were with him with the ‘ilm and knowledge of Aale Muhammad. We also remember that Syedna Hatim’s enemy Ahwary said that, “far from having the characteristics of a Dai, Syedna Hatim does not even have the characteristics of a Mumin” –wal-iyaazu billah . Ahwary spread his falsehoods and – as outrageous as they were – many listened. Syedna Hatim was who he was – the Dai of Imam-uz-zaman – in spite of Ahwary and his false statements. Syedna Qutbuddin TUS is the waaris of Syedna Hatim: he is who he is – the 53rd Dai of Imam-uz-zaman – in spite of the false statements by detractors .

In his declaration (quoted above) Syedna’s conviction and strength is manifest. His fervor to serve the Imam’s Da’wat and his care for the children of his Da’wat – the Da’wat-ul-Haqq is apparent. His confidence in the veracity and truthfulness of his statement is self-evident.
We all know that one of them is lying. Now with kalaam paak in hand its clear who it is

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Hamd » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:09 am

humanbeing wrote:SMS camp should react to this gesture.. In addition to so many “unambiguous” , “crystal clear” evidences of Nass. SMS can also swear upon Quran about his appointment. This will make the aqeedah of the SMS followers more strong and help them throw more stronger laanats. This is an easy task as compared to remembering a date of nass couple of years ago or sourcing of Brahmin’s witnesses.
he (SMS) does not need your advice brother, if he will think he should do some thing, he will do it by him self, you dont even have guts to give away your real name in public but day and night you bark like you know every thing.

first at least let us know who you are and how much knowledge you have about deen to have a say in dawat matters.

this applies to each and every loud mouth dog of this forum. :wink:

in fact KQ sympathizers are worst, even after breaking up from dawoodi bohras they are still not able to declare open support for KQ, while KQ son cries in all majlis to openly declare support for them.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Universaldad » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:34 am

Friends, I have been reading the posts on this site and I have a few simple questions. Please help answer them.

Why are the fence sitters sitting on the fence? Why wait for court verdict? This is a matter of their own faith, don't they know where their heart stands?

Why don' t the people with progressive mentality who opposed SMB during his life time decide who they now want to follow and oppose. The Forum posts suggest that the progressives are with KQ and his so called liberal policies, why not make this stand clear? Which dawat do the progressives want to reform?

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by khokawala » Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:47 am

progressives neither suport KQ nor MS both are and will always remain dawedars ta qayamat and the original goals and vision of shaikh adamjee peerbhai have come to fruition as we no longer need a daee. Reformers already are happily living in their community practicing Islam the way they deem fit with full freedom, its abdes of both dawedars are getting crushed while reformers are giggling and taking the revenge of what these clergies did to their ancestors.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Universaldad » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:03 am

Thanks for clarifying Khokawala, So is what you say the official line of the progressives?

If you have chosen your path of deen then why this animosity and name calling and interference in the affairs of the dawat of SMS and KQ sect? Why not use this energy to build your own institutions for your community?

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by fayyaaz » Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:22 am

Universaldad wrote:Thanks for clarifying Khokawala, So is what you say the official line of the progressives?

If you have chosen your path of deen then why this animosity and name calling and interference in the affairs of the dawat of SMS and KQ sect? Why not use this energy to build your own institutions for your community?
You are new here? khokawala is on an Allah-given mission to take Bohras and all the Shia out of zulmat into noor of pristine fellowship of Mohamed Abdul-Wahhab and his latter-day followers, the modern-day Salifis.

His Wahhabi organization has already been built by his forbears with much help from Saudis thank you very much. Now is the time to join anajmi in ridding Bohras of their faith by insulting them with names like kafirs, mushriks and idol-worshippers and unconcealed admiration for Khalifa Yazid (RA), a major character in Karbala, and his illustrious father, Ameer Muawiyah (RA), the Fifth Rightly-Guided Khalifa or the Sixth if you include Hassan . Their most potent venom is directed towards various Bohra Dais whom they love to caricature. Since they know that Bohras love being thus insulted and will follow them into pristine Wahhabism.

Once all these Bohras become Wahhabis they will transform themselves from masochists to sadists and hurl insults at the remaining Shia to bring them into line.

Now, what was it that theQuran says? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Hamd » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:51 pm

this whole progressive bull shiit is most confused and fraudsters movement on planet earth, they dont even know what they are fighting for and what they really want, look at their condition in udaipur they are living in most pathetic living conditions, yet they are like those "gire to gire lekin tangdi unchi"

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Nov 12, 2014 12:55 pm

Hamd wrote:this whole progressive bull shiit is most confused and fraudsters movement on planet earth, they dont even know what they are fighting for and what they really want, look at their condition in udaipur they are living in most pathetic living conditions, yet they are like those "gire to gire lekin tangdi unchi"
And what do you say about Mehfuza Ben who was helped by this very forum and all the other Mumineen in Ahmedabad who were helped thru this forum and many of its members Shame on you hypocrites

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:52 pm

fayyaaz wrote: Their most potent venom is directed towards various Bohra Dais whom they love to caricature. Since they know that Bohras love being thus insulted ....
Now, what was it that theQuran says?
fayyaz,

why are you upset at the bohra dai's being caricatured? I thought you supported the rights of people for free speech??!

as to what the quran says, why should it be any business of yours? you are a confirmed atheist!!

fyi, the quran professes to be the word of god. you dont believe in any god and can live without him. learn to live without the quran then. as long as wahabis do not indulge in violence or coercion, they too have the right to free speech as well. this is as per your own logic and reasoning. right now you seem to be the one harbouring potentially dangerous thoughts about them, wanting them to be visited by violence and wanting them, if any, to be identified here and thrown out. if you had your way, you would even like to know who and where they are so you could go and beat them up.

we are getting quite tired of your one track mind and single point agenda, unleashing murderous tirades against all and sundry.

you should applaud and welcome my comments. they are 'free speech'!

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Hamd » Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:29 am

SBM wrote:
Hamd wrote:this whole progressive bull shiit is most confused and fraudsters movement on planet earth, they dont even know what they are fighting for and what they really want, look at their condition in udaipur they are living in most pathetic living conditions, yet they are like those "gire to gire lekin tangdi unchi"
And what do you say about Mehfuza Ben who was helped by this very forum and all the other Mumineen in Ahmedabad who were helped thru this forum and many of its members Shame on you hypocrites
are you serious?

1 2 addmi ki help karke you think bahot bada teer mara hain? hum log aise hazaro insaano ki madad roz karte hain, aur kabhi bata te bhi nahi, yahi farq hota hain momeen aur tum jaise munafiqoki.

btw next time kisi bohra ki help karni ho to unhe bata dena ki ye help munafiqo ki taraf se hain, fir dekhna ki woh help lete hain yaa joote maarte hain. :mrgreen: :wink:

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by zinger » Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:40 am

Hamd wrote:this whole progressive bull shiit is most confused and fraudsters movement on planet earth, they dont even know what they are fighting for and what they really want, look at their condition in udaipur they are living in most pathetic living conditions, yet they are like those "gire to gire lekin tangdi unchi"

hello hello hello :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

Look who's back :lol:

P.S. Buddy, sent this post as a PM to u by mistake, kindly ignore it, wanted to welcome you back in open

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by zinger » Thu Nov 13, 2014 12:41 am

SBM wrote:
Hamd wrote:this whole progressive bull shiit is most confused and fraudsters movement on planet earth, they dont even know what they are fighting for and what they really want, look at their condition in udaipur they are living in most pathetic living conditions, yet they are like those "gire to gire lekin tangdi unchi"
And what do you say about Mehfuza Ben who was helped by this very forum and all the other Mumineen in Ahmedabad who were helped thru this forum and many of its members Shame on you hypocrites

SBM bhai, please extend a warm welcome our multi-faceted friend back again 8) :P

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by humanbeing » Thu Nov 13, 2014 2:10 am

Universaldad wrote:Friends, I have been reading the posts on this site and I have a few simple questions. Please help answer them.
Welcome to the forum Friend ! My response to your queries are personal opinion and does not reflect progressive jamaat’s representation.
Universaldad wrote:Why are the fence sitters sitting on the fence? Why wait for court verdict? This is a matter of their own faith, don't they know where their heart stands?
Most of the bohra community members are fence sitters, comfortable in their family and social groups. They care little about how a DAI should be, It is an un-disposable position to secure the civic structure and perceived comfort that it brings to commoner’s lives. Whoever provides better facilities, social events, louder pomp and glamour, political security people will sway in that direction gradually. Frankly, commoners are not waiting for any verdict, they are happy in the social set up of bohra governance with more or less cribbing and whining on money matters, jaman and high handed attitude of amils. They take all of it with a pinch of salth as part of life.


I have come across many, many bohras who do not agree to bohra priestly class pomp and glamour, someone, somewhere is going through an internal conflict and dilemmas. Deep inside each one of our heart, we know the difference between right and wrong, yet we go on with our lives.


Your query on bohra’s stands with SKQ or SMS depends on the value systems, family ties and business prospects. There are bohras who have quietly taken a stand in their hearts and are following or securing their faith according to their value systems. Kothar is reduced to a service corporation with a price tag to their spiritual products, people choose and pay for the services they wish.


These points are well discussed on this forum umpteen times. Enjoy your stay and read them.


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khokawala wrote: the original goals and vision of shaikh adamjee peerbhai have come to fruition as we no longer need a daee..
I hope that is your personal opinion of Shaikh Adamji Peerbhoy ! which in my opinion is flawed. Shaikh Adamjee was quiet close to STS and would not keep such anti-bohra intentions.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Adam » Fri Nov 14, 2014 1:02 pm

Universaldad wrote:Friends, I have been reading the posts on this site and I have a few simple questions. Please help answer them.
Why are the fence sitters sitting on the fence? Why wait for court verdict? This is a matter of their own faith, don't they know where their heart stands?
Why don' t the people with progressive mentality who opposed SMB during his life time decide who they now want to follow and oppose. The Forum posts suggest that the progressives are with KQ and his so called liberal policies, why not make this stand clear? Which dawat do the progressives want to reform?


Well said.
I've been saying this for some time now.
This site's "Mission" states:
We are Ismaili Fatimid Mustalian Tayyebi Dawoodi Bohras, a sect of Shia Islam. We accept the succession of Imams up to Imam Tayyeb and his progeny, and the line of Tayyebi Dais starting from Syedna Zoeb bin Moosa to the rightful successor of the 52nd Dai Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin.

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/about_us/our-mission/

I informed the Admin and made a post that it's time to "accept" a new Dai.
I already knew their answer.
The never ever "accepted" Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA in the first. Instead, they created this site only to insult him.
Liars & cowards.


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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:02 pm

Adam wrote:
I informed the Admin and made a post that it's time to "accept" a new Dai.
if adam had not written to the admin, we would probably have never known that the 52nd has died and 2 contenders are fighting to be declared the successor.

but adam is probably not aware that a hindu judge is going to decide who the new dai is (not the imam). adam has been gracious enough to acknowledge that he will recognise the dai who is declared the victor, but will still follow mufatlal, thereby making a mockery of the law of the land.

adam, we appreciate how proactive you are in helping the admin. you are a real [DELETED] to this forum.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Fri Nov 14, 2014 3:28 pm

Is it not hypocrisy and deceiving to be collecting money in the name of imam. , eg Silat and Nazarul etc when there are now more credible staements including STS that this is a philosophical concept .

I know but so many know there is no human around called ImaM zaman , is a decendent of the 21st Imam walking around the dawat corridors, mentoring the 53rds deciding when to go hunting and having his succession chain genetically tested to be linked to Ali AS .

Please don't say SMS imam also likes hunting !

I know SMS falsely claims he somehow kind vibers imam on regular basis hence his fancy iPhone he carries around ..what about SKQ how does he communicate. ..seriously.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by rational_guy » Fri Nov 14, 2014 11:16 pm

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

وَٱلْبَلَدُ ٱلطَّيِّبُ يَخْرُجُ نَبَاتُهُ بِإِذْنِ رَبِّهِ وَٱلَّذِي خَبُثَ لاَ يَخْرُجُ إِلاَّ نَكِداً كَذٰلِكَ نُصَرِّفُ ٱلآيَاتِ لِقَوْمٍ يَشْكُرُونَۖ

(Surat al-A'raaf: 58)

As for the good land, its vegetation comes forth by permission of its Lord.While as for the bad, it comes forth only miserably. Even so, We dispense the signs for a people who are thankful

The 23rd of Muharram is the Urus Mubarak of Syedi Hasanpeer Shaheed. Mawlaya Hasanpeer Saheb was a great Aalim in the early days of Da’wat in India, before the period of Satar. He was in the lineage of Mawlaya Abdullah, one of the first two Dai’s sent by Mustansir Imam to India.

Syedna Taher Saifuddin narrates in his Risalah Khaza’inu Imamil Muttaqeen (1372H, p. 306) that the ruler in Patan at the time of Syedi Hasanpeer Shaheed was Feershah. On one occasion Feershah received 3 gold statues of identical heads inlaid with jewels as a gift from the Byzantine emperor. The Emperor sent a message along with the gift asking at what price Feershah valued the three headsand whether there was any difference between the three. The king and his courtiers were perplexed as the three heads looked exactly the same. Due to a previous encounter in which Feershah had been impressed with Syedi Hasanpeer’s knowledge, he called upon him to solve the mystery of the three seemingly identical gold heads.

Syedi Hasanpeer examined the heads and called for some water. He poured water down the ear of the first head and it flowed out of its mouth. Syedi Hasanpeer said that this is the head of an imbecile (ihmaq) – he slanders those who give him wise counsel. He can keep no secret or confidence. He simply repeats what he hears without any consideration – whether true or false. He then poured water in the ear of the second head and it readily flowed out of the other ear. Syedi Hasanpeer said that this is the head of an incompetent ignoramus (jaahil). He retains nothing of what he hears. Last, he poured water in the ear of the third head and it flowed down straight through its neck. He receives and digests the wisdom and knowledge that is given to him. He safeguards this knowledge and draws upon it in his life. Syedi Hasanpeer revealed that this is the head of a learned and virtuous man (Saalih Adeeb). He added that this head’s digestion of the water is like a precious red ruby that is worthy of being in the treasury of a king and like a ’good piece of land – that receiving the water of divine knowledge - its vegetation comes forth by permission of its Lord’ (with reference to the Qur’anic ayat quoted above from Surat al-A’raaf:58).

Feershah was impressed. He told his courtiers that, “Syedi Hasanpeer is truly a man of God (waliyullah)”. Many in the ruler’s court felt jealous and conspired to eventually assassinate Syedi Hasanpeer.

We must wonder – how much of the wisdom that we have received from our hudaat – from Syedna Taher Saifuddin, Syedna Burhanuddin and Syedna Qutbuddin— have we retained? At a time when the words spoken by Syedna Taher Saifuddin have been forgotten (or have flowed out of the other ear!) and when people repeat whatever they hear without consideration (from the ear directly to the mouth)…may our ‘head’ be one that listens and digests the wise counsel that it receives. May we take ‘ibrat and learn from the stories of the Anbiya’ and of the times gone past. May these lessons shape our thought, belief and action in the present day.

We also pray that may Allah Ta’ala grant us the ne’mat of the ziarat of Syedi Hasanpeer. Syedna Burhanuddin RA visited Denmal many times for ziarat and on the last trip during Shehrullah, Syedna Qutbuddin was due to stay back in Mumbai but at the last minute, Syedna Burhanuddin said “bhai bhi saathe aawi jaaw.”.

The nazaraat of Syedna Burhanuddin RA continue to flow to those who are learned and virtuous. Clearly, they do not flow to those who simply utter and repeat what they hear without consideration.

The qasida written by Syedi Abdul Qadir Hakimuddin RA and the salaam written by Shz. Dr. Tahera baisaheba in the shaan of Syedi Hasanpeer Shaheed has been uploaded on Fatemidawat.com. Mumineen are urged to recite these on Urus Mubarak day.


http://www.fatemidawat.com/resources/re ... heads.html

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who is mazoon and mukasir of KQ?

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Unread post by Hamd » Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:22 am

Bismillah hi taa'laa

I asked this question to one of KQ sympathizer but as usual he run away and didn't replied, so I am asking again, since KQ says mazoon and mukasir are highly respected rutbas and dawat cant run without them, so why he has not declared his mazoon and mukasir till now? its been months he has declared himself dai but yet not declared his mazoon and mukasir, if he dies tomorrow who will be his successor?

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Re: who is mazoon and mukasir of KQ?

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Unread post by humanbeing » Sat Nov 15, 2014 8:45 am

These are hikmat talks ! araz karvaa maa arso neklee jaase !!

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Re: who is mazoon and mukasir of KQ?

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Unread post by Crater Lake » Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:38 am

Hamd wrote:Bismillah hi taa'laa

I asked this question to one of KQ sympathizer but as usual he run away and didn't replied, so I am asking again, since KQ says mazoon and mukasir are highly respected rutbas and dawat cant run without them, so why he has not declared his mazoon and mukasir till now? its been months he has declared himself dai but yet not declared his mazoon and mukasir, if he dies tomorrow who will be his successor?
Not your job to worry about that. I did not see you jumping up and down, pounding the table, demanding to know for the seven months that MS had not appointed anyone....

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Re: who is mazoon and mukasir of KQ?

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:40 am

First ask Muffadal Saab, the mazoon and mukasir rutbas which he has appointed are Zahir rutbas or baatin rutbas?
secondly, ask him does he himself have any importance for these rutbas or is he playing this emotional stunt with his followers to glorify himself.
Thirdly, I see his brothers and Brother in laws more active in the dawat roles rather than Mazoon Saheb (who is in a vegetable state) and Mukasir Saheb ( who in past jokingly declared himself Dai in Madras).

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Re: who is mazoon and mukasir of KQ?

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Unread post by SBM » Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:44 am

Hamd
so why he has not declared his mazoon and mukasir till now
May be because he is waiting for your Father In Law to come to his dreams and tell him who to appoint. It is time for you to talk to your Father In Law why he is taking so long to appear in his dreams to declare who is Mazoon and Mukasir for SKQ. ( Your Father In Law guided you through your wife's dream to follow SMS--that is your words)

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Sat Nov 15, 2014 9:56 am

You can watch the two batini masterminds in action in this video of the nass at Raudat Tahera:

http://youtu.be/Ge9wG2Irv-Q?t=23m26s

Watch how they are the ones who gave the signal for the shawl ceremony to commence!

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Crater Lake » Sat Nov 15, 2014 12:43 pm

Adam is so concerned about what we ate in Ashara and has taken that as proof that we did not revere Burhanuddin Aqa... Let me tell you Adam, we ate fakhir enough. Just because we ate masoor and bhaji with all our meals as per Burhanuddin Moula's irshaad, there were not other things in the thaal also. Alhamdolillah, the meals were fakhir enough and Burhanuddin Aqa would have been pleased with our thaal. Yes, I am aware that your lot tried to stop our caterer from making niyaze Hussain for us. It would be just like them to try these kinds of lowly tricks. What your lot did not realize is that EVERYONE, including a caterer can see lowly tricks for what they are.

Adam is OK with someone standing by and lying about what Burhanuddin Aqa just said. He is Ok with Moiz Bhaisaheb saying that Aqa Moula just said "Be ilhame be waliyehi Moula ehm farmave che ke rutba ma charava" (paraphrasing...to that effect) when in fact Moula was reciting ya sayyeda shohadai. He is OK with Mufaddal bs standing by and allowing the perpetration of that lie. Adam, we all know who cannot answer the real questions. Why for instance would Mufaddal Bhaisaheb do sajda to SKQ TUS for 25 years and then stop? What was he thinking when he was doing sajda? Why would he do sajda to someone who was sataving Aqa Burhanuddin (like he claimed on takhat?) Why would he call him his Moula? More importnatly would Burhanuddin Aqa allow (nay command!) all his sons to do sajda to Mazoon in the first misaaq and then continue presiding in majalis where sajda to the Mazoon was routine, if in fact he had felt that the mazoon was causing him trouble?

Adam the reason we stop responding to you is that we are hard working people with busy lives. We are not paid to respond to your broken-record like nonsense and your lies. You seem to be paid to spread your lies on this forum. So I will leave you to your job and attend to my mine.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by UnhappyBohra » Sat Nov 15, 2014 4:39 pm

Yup. OK for people to lie about everything to Burhanuddin Mola's face but not OK to eat bhaji and masoor for Ashara....OK to publish munajat in his name, ok to preach false zahir/batin doctrine that enraged Aqa Moula but not OK to eat bhaji roti.

Thanks for calling him out on his false indignation..."You did not eat Fakhir Jaman in Ashara....hence you do not respect Burhanuddin Mola! How dare you!" Really Adam, sometimes you outdo your master in stupidity.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Universaldad » Sun Nov 16, 2014 4:14 am

rational_guy wrote:بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

وَٱلْبَلَدُ ٱلطَّيِّبُ يَخْرُجُ نَبَاتُهُ بِإِذْنِ رَبِّهِ وَٱلَّذِي خَبُثَ لاَ يَخْرُجُ إِلاَّ نَكِداً كَذٰلِكَ نُصَرِّفُ ٱلآيَاتِ لِقَوْمٍ يَشْكُرُونَۖ

(Surat al-A'raaf: 58)

As for the good land, its vegetation comes forth by permission of its Lord.While as for the bad, it comes forth only miserably. Even so, We dispense the signs for a people who are thankful

The 23rd of Muharram is the Urus Mubarak of Syedi Hasanpeer Shaheed. Mawlaya Hasanpeer Saheb was a great Aalim in the early days of Da’wat in India, before the period of Satar. He was in the lineage of Mawlaya Abdullah, one of the first two Dai’s sent by Mustansir Imam to India.

Syedna Taher Saifuddin narrates in his Risalah Khaza’inu Imamil Muttaqeen (1372H, p. 306) that the ruler in Patan at the time of Syedi Hasanpeer Shaheed was Feershah. On one occasion Feershah received 3 gold statues of identical heads inlaid with jewels as a gift from the Byzantine emperor. The Emperor sent a message along with the gift asking at what price Feershah valued the three headsand whether there was any difference between the three. The king and his courtiers were perplexed as the three heads looked exactly the same. Due to a previous encounter in which Feershah had been impressed with Syedi Hasanpeer’s knowledge, he called upon him to solve the mystery of the three seemingly identical gold heads.

Syedi Hasanpeer examined the heads and called for some water. He poured water down the ear of the first head and it flowed out of its mouth. Syedi Hasanpeer said that this is the head of an imbecile (ihmaq) – he slanders those who give him wise counsel. He can keep no secret or confidence. He simply repeats what he hears without any consideration – whether true or false. He then poured water in the ear of the second head and it readily flowed out of the other ear. Syedi Hasanpeer said that this is the head of an incompetent ignoramus (jaahil). He retains nothing of what he hears. Last, he poured water in the ear of the third head and it flowed down straight through its neck. He receives and digests the wisdom and knowledge that is given to him. He safeguards this knowledge and draws upon it in his life. Syedi Hasanpeer revealed that this is the head of a learned and virtuous man (Saalih Adeeb). He added that this head’s digestion of the water is like a precious red ruby that is worthy of being in the treasury of a king and like a ’good piece of land – that receiving the water of divine knowledge - its vegetation comes forth by permission of its Lord’ (with reference to the Qur’anic ayat quoted above from Surat al-A’raaf:58).

Feershah was impressed. He told his courtiers that, “Syedi Hasanpeer is truly a man of God (waliyullah)”. Many in the ruler’s court felt jealous and conspired to eventually assassinate Syedi Hasanpeer.

We must wonder – how much of the wisdom that we have received from our hudaat – from Syedna Taher Saifuddin, Syedna Burhanuddin and Syedna Qutbuddin— have we retained? At a time when the words spoken by Syedna Taher Saifuddin have been forgotten (or have flowed out of the other ear!) and when people repeat whatever they hear without consideration (from the ear directly to the mouth)…may our ‘head’ be one that listens and digests the wise counsel that it receives. May we take ‘ibrat and learn from the stories of the Anbiya’ and of the times gone past. May these lessons shape our thought, belief and action in the present day.

We also pray that may Allah Ta’ala grant us the ne’mat of the ziarat of Syedi Hasanpeer. Syedna Burhanuddin RA visited Denmal many times for ziarat and on the last trip during Shehrullah, Syedna Qutbuddin was due to stay back in Mumbai but at the last minute, Syedna Burhanuddin said “bhai bhi saathe aawi jaaw.”.

The nazaraat of Syedna Burhanuddin RA continue to flow to those who are learned and virtuous. Clearly, they do not flow to those who simply utter and repeat what they hear without consideration.

The qasida written by Syedi Abdul Qadir Hakimuddin RA and the salaam written by Shz. Dr. Tahera baisaheba in the shaan of Syedi Hasanpeer Shaheed has been uploaded on Fatemidawat.com. Mumineen are urged to recite these on Urus Mubarak day.


http://www.fatemidawat.com/resources/re ... heads.html
Hello Folks, This is the reply to the KQ Sijill article... Quite well argued and worth a read.

The 4th Head
FAULTY INFERENCE FROM THE HISTORY OF SYEDI HASANFEER SHAHID(QR)
The Qutbi Sijil #40 states:

We must wonder – how much of the wisdom that we have received from our hudaat – from Syedna Taher Saifuddin, Syedna Burhanuddin and Syedna Qutbuddin— have we retained? At a time when the words spoken by Syedna Taher Saifuddin have been forgotten (or have flowed out of the other ear!) and when people repeat whatever they hear without consideration (from the ear directly to the mouth)…may our ‘head’ be one that listens and digests the wise counsel that it receives. May we take ‘ibrat and learn from the stories of the Anbiya’ and of the times gone past. May these lessons shape our thought, belief and action in the present day...
The nazaraat of Syedna Burhanuddin RA continue to flow to those who are learned and virtuous. Clearly, they do not flow to those who simply utter and repeat what they hear without consideration.

Let us Evaluate:

It is an irony that the KQ clan itself is a living example of the first TWO heads tested by SYEDI HASANFEER SHAHID(QR), yet they are searching for other instances and thus leading to distortion of facts.
To suit their personal agenda, they are cherry picking the riwayat of "3 heads" and have deliberatlely ignored the riwayat from which they should have learned to bow down before the "nass farman" of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA.

The riwayat of the "camel passing through a needle" is similarly popular like the "riwayat" of "3 heads"

Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (RA) mentions in his Bayan Mubarak (Shehrullah-1427):


Why didn't KQ bow down before the mansoos of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA?
Why didn't he take ibrat from history and is now preaching others to do the same?
Why doesn't he practice what he preaches?

THE FIRST HEAD
KQ is again showing his disregard for Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA by saying that:
"the words of "the 51st Dai" have been forgotten"

Firstly, there have been no words of Nass from the Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA on KQ (private nor public).

In fact,the words "Aali Qadr Mufaddal 1365" written by Syedna Taher Saifuddin RA which was done uniquely for him and none other of the Shahzadas is an ishara.



Secondly, what about the "nass words" of the Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA on Syedna Mufadddal Saifuddin TUS?

They have flowed out of the other ears of the Qutbis (The first head)


THE SECOND HEAD

By analyzing KQ's present condition of revealing DAWAT secrets on the internet platform, namely Youtube - in the light of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (ra) 'Bayan (Shehrullah-1427) we get a clear picture as to how the Qutbis personify the SECOND HEAD:



The Qutbis state:
"from the ear directly to the mouth"

Let us refer the Bayan of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA (Shehrullah-1427):


The "ehsanaat" and bounties of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA on KQ are innumerable, yet he is spewing innumerable words of irreverence from his mouth and through his (mouthpiece website ) for Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA.

THE THIRD HEAD
It is crystal clear that both the heads are personified by the qutbis and the 3rd head (of the wise) is personified by the followers of on Syedna Mufadddal Saifuddin TUS who digested all the private and public Nass on him and absorbed them within their souls and assimilated them within their hearts

The Qutbis have again deducted erroneously from the instance of the third head, that we should use our brains to CONSIDER what we heard from Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA.
These are their absurd statements:

"and when people repeat whatever they hear without consideration

The nazaraat of Syedna Burhanuddin RA continue to flow to those who are learned and virtuous. Clearly, they do not flow to those who simply utter and repeat what they hear without consideration."

This is a direct attack on Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA who states there is no need for "Re-consideration" (Khutba-Jalilah-Karachi-1408):



After a clear public NASS by Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA on Syedna Mufadddal Saifuddin TUS, there is NO ROOM FOR RECONSIDERATION that KQ was the mazoon or anything of that sort.

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Furthermore, as usual, the Sijil goes on to desperately connect Khuzaima in order to bolster his claim by referring to an incident when Syedna Mohammed Burhnauddin RA instructs KQ to 'come along' with him to Hasanfeer.

Syedna Burhanuddin RA visited Denmal many times for ziarat and on the last trip during Shehrullah, Syedna Qutbuddin was due to stay back in Mumbai but at the last minute, Syedna Burhanuddin said “bhai bhi saathe aawi jaaw.”.

Here's the problem:
Since when has traveling along with the Dai be the criteria for becoming the Mansoos? If that is the case, then hundreds of Shehzadas, Qasre Ali Sahebs, Kothar and Khidmat Guzaars and Mumineen can claim the same. Let alone Syedna Mufaddal TUS, who was always by his side.

If we look back in history, a 'certain individual' claimed to be the successor to Rasulullah SAW based on the merit that he was the (companion in the cave) Saheb al Ghaar / ghaar ke yaar.
KQ is surely following in his footsteps.
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Finally. KQ is doing Dua that he wants to go for Denmal Ziyarat.

Whenever Burhanuddin Maula RA used to get ill, Syedna Mufadddal Saifuddin TUS used to stay for many days in Denmal with "ziyarat niyyat" for the well health of Burhanuddin Maula (TUS). How many times has KQ visited Denmal after Burhanuddin Maula (TUS) suffered a stroke?

Thus, we may conclude that the KQ clan is not at all worthy of the NAZARAAT of SYEDI HASANFEER SHAHID(QR) and his waris Burhanuddin Maula (TUS)

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The Sijil goes on to say the following, obviously hinting at all of us who use our intellect and don't buy into their nonsense:
The nazaraat of Syedna BurhanuddinRA continue to flow to those who are learned and virtuous. Clearly, they do not flow to those who simply utter and repeat what they hear without consideration.
If someone continues to deny a clear Nass, multiple witnesses, a recording and document prepared by Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA for Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS, then he is surely deaf and blind.
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On a lighter note, the "3 Heads" were all capable of "listening".

Khuzaima seems to be the 4th head who isn't capable of hearing the truth.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by Crater Lake » Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:22 am

The description of the events is not being offered as proof of nass but as a fond narration of events. Interaction between a naas and a mansoos.

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Re: Khuzema Qutbuddin (and related topics)

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Unread post by kimanumanu » Sun Nov 16, 2014 7:33 am

It is funny that they don't relate any of these events in their majlis aside from the Moula Moula chants and the usual dose of lanat and then spend a lot of time discrediting what is done in so called dushman's majlis/website.

Why this obsession with a dushman if, as claimed, 99% of the population don't even care?