Critical Thinker is a problem like natkhat pari was

[anajmi]

Like I have said many times, I come here to pass the time.

CT
You must have very pathetic life that you come to this insignificant forum to pass time. Seems like if this forum provides you the pastime then either you are a loner or no body wants to socialize with you in real life.

Correctly stated. To be passing time on what you yourself deem inconsequential raises serious concerns about a person's social life. It implies that nothing of consequence (or at least what CT thinks is consequential) wants anything to do with CT. That is why he, she, it comes to an inconsequential forum. So her, his, its, hatred towards the forum is actually a reflection of her, his, its hatred towards herself, himself, itself.

[humanbeing]

People like you are the ones who spend all day whining and complaining on the internet, but never do anything in the real world.
You are the ones who seem to believe this place is so very important, and pathetically spend your whole lives here..

How do you claim that above statement is true ! now that makes you a liar too.

Critical_Thinker ! Grow up !

You believe in the Imam and Dai, then what are you doing in the progressive jamat. Join the orthodox / traditional jamaat and complete your faith. Which DAI do you believe in ? SMS or SKQ ?

[Al Zulfiqar]

the only pastime for a highly accomplished erudite scholar is....?

to come to an insignificant site, a site which is antiquated, useless, ineffective and full of egotistical, arrogant, self-centred dinosaurs inflated with their own self-importance, etc etc blah blah and blah.

now what does that say about that superb analytical brain?

do i hear the members of this forum laughing and rolling on the floor at this idiocy? do i also hear some members sobbing at the pathetic life of this poor tortured soul?

[Critical_Thinker]

when I tried to access the forum, I got an error message saying that the maximum number of participants has been reached. Even gave me a number, something in excess of 1200.

Many forums show the number of people currently viewing the forum, separately enumerating members and guests and also the maximum number of visitors on any given day. Maybe Admin could implement this feature here and at the same time gather daily statistics so we can all be aware of how many visitors this forum has.

Excellent idea fayaaz bhai.
I have seen this on most other forums on the internet.
The question is whether admin will implement it here?
Do you think he will?

[Critical_Thinker]

... lack of context has made you confuse the meaning of the word patronize.
Look here: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/patronize
'3. To treat in a condescending manner'
so you understand what Im saying correctly.

ct, since you have a lot of free time and are wasting it in idle chit chat, why not start english language classes? forum members are willing to pay you. you can do this online and earn some bucks instead of venting your frustrations passing gas mubarak, all sound and fury signifying nothing.

I have barely passed the 100 post mark al zulfiqar, whereas you are nearly at 4500.
Therefore you waste 45 times more of your time on idle chit-chat than me, dont you.

As for teaching sbm english, that is a monumental task which only you could ever accomplish.
I trust you will start classes for him immediately so he stops embarrassing himself here all the time.

[anajmi]

Actually, Al Zulfikar has been here since 2006. At an average, he posts less than 1.5 posts per day, but your average is closer to 2.5 posts a day. So, you are the one wasting more time on idle chit - chat.

[Critical_Thinker]

Like I have said many times, I come here to pass the time.

CT
You must have very pathetic life that you come to this insignificant forum to pass time. Seems like if this forum provides you the pastime then either you are a loner or no body wants to socialize with you in real life.

If I am a loner with only 100 posts here, what does that make you sbm with your THOUSANDS of posts?
A super duper loner?

Youve been here a whole decade, day in, day out, and have made almost 5000 posts.
Do you ever go outside sbm?
Do you have a wife and children?
Do you have any friends in the real world?
Its pretty obvious that you dont.

[Critical_Thinker]

CT
You must have very pathetic life that you come to this insignificant forum to pass time. Seems like if this forum provides you the pastime then either you are a loner or no body wants to socialize with you in real life.

Correctly stated. To be passing time on what you yourself deem inconsequential raises serious concerns about a person's social life. It implies that nothing of consequence (or at least what CT thinks is consequential) wants anything to do with CT. That is why he, she, it comes to an inconsequential forum. So her, his, its, hatred towards the forum is actually a reflection of her, his, its hatred towards herself, himself, itself.

I am a woman so why do you refer to me as he and it?
Underlying sexism is it anajmi?
Not surprising as this is a very common trait amongst wahhabis.

You say I hate the forum?
Please quote the post where I have said that.
If you cant then, as usual, you are lying.

Thinking the forum is inconsequential (which is the obvious truth) does not mean that I hate it.
Quite the contrary.
We all do many things which are inconsequential.
Watching tv, playing sport, reading books, listening to music etc.
I do all these things as I enjoy them and it passes the time.
Likewise I enjoy passing the time here and often find it very entertaining.
Its rather amusing seeing so many non-progressives on a progressive website.
Indeed, you people are extremely funny in your own inconsequential way.

Besides, we have already established that your 'dq' is far higher than mine, havent we anajmi.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4868&p=148998#p148998

[fayyaaz]

Many forums show the number of people currently viewing the forum, separately enumerating members and guests and also the maximum number of visitors on any given day. Maybe Admin could implement this feature here and at the same time gather daily statistics so we can all be aware of how many visitors this forum has.

Excellent idea fayaaz bhai.
I have seen this on most other forums on the internet.
The question is whether admin will implement it here?
Do you think he will?

Of course it is up to Admin to implement it. The application used by this site is a version of Open Source Software from phpBB. phpBB is at the foot of this page. If there is no native facility for stat counters in the application, there are add-on features like the one from StatCounter which provides JavaScript to be incorporated on the website. This provides statistics. It may not come free.

The contact for this website is in Mississauga, Canada. This information is readily available on the net.

In the last thirty days this site as a whole (not just the forum) received about 50,000 visitors, according to data available on the net. That is roughly 1700 visitors per day. This figure includes repeat visits by the same individuals. Consider that people like anajmi hit this forum every 5 minutes in 24 hours, that translates to 300 hits by him alone. I would estimate that regulars also pay multiple visits during the day and it is easy to see that the figure of 1500 per day could be achieved by a handful of participants.

The figure of 1200 simultaneous visits seems highly exaggerated. anajmi has clearly seen a lower figure but wants to be generous to score a point against Critical Thinker.

It is not unheard of for a site to get very high incidence of traffic during special events such as the death of SMB. In any case, in absence of historical counter set for this site, we are unlikely to know the level of traffic.

An interesting fact is that most visitors (about 42%) are from India. The next largest number of visitors are from Pakistan (about 25%). Visitors from Unites States are the third largest with a share of 13%.

[Critical_Thinker]

People like you are the ones who spend all day whining and complaining on the internet, but never do anything in the real world.
You are the ones who seem to believe this place is so very important, and pathetically spend your whole lives here..

How do you claim that above statement is true ! now that makes you a liar too.

Critical_Thinker ! Grow up !

You believe in the Imam and Dai, then what are you doing in the progressive jamat. Join the orthodox / traditional jamaat and complete your faith. Which DAI do you believe in ? SMS or SKQ ?

My comment you quoted is absolutely true.
Please explain why you think it is a lie.

Its sad that you think the progressive jamaat does not believe in the imam and a dai.
This displays your own ignorance, and also proves that this forum does not represent progressive ideals.
I suggest you read this thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10379

I thought you were one of the few intelligent people here human being bhai.
It seems this is not the case.
Therefore you are the one who needs to 'grow up' and perhaps should also try to educate yourself.

[Critical_Thinker]

the only pastime for a highly accomplished erudite scholar is....?

to come to an insignificant site, a site which is antiquated, useless, ineffective and full of egotistical, arrogant, self-centred dinosaurs inflated with their own self-importance, etc etc blah blah and blah.

now what does that say about that superb analytical brain?

do i hear the members of this forum laughing and rolling on the floor at this idiocy? do i also hear some members sobbing at the pathetic life of this poor tortured soul?

No al zulfiqar, I hear a small gang of deluded non-progressive men, getting extremely angry and frustrated at me for pointing out the truth.
Unlike many people here, I am not a compulsive liar therefore will continue to speak the truth, despite the silly attacks and insults.

I also hear absolute silence when it comes to trying to prove me wrong, by showing how this forum is so very significant like you all believe.
Instead you want to make fools of yourself by saying I am pathetic for posting here.
Meanwhile every one of you has spent YEARS here and made THOUSANDS of posts!
The irony of this is most amusing.

Let me help you by starting a thread specifically about how significant this forum is.
Hopefully you will put forward your case there as you clearly havent been able to do it on this thread.

[anajmi]

I am a woman so why do you refer to me as he and it?
Underlying sexism is it anajmi?

Not my intent. I just wasn't sure. Henceforth, I will refer to you as a woman.

You say I hate the forum?
Please quote the post where I have said that.
If you cant then, as usual, you are lying.

Do not get too literal. I say you display hatred towards the forum. Hatred can be displayed in many ways and your posts display hatred. One doesn't need to say "I hate" to display hatred.

Thinking the forum is inconsequential (which is the obvious truth) does not mean that I hate it.

No, but repeating the same thing over and over again and rubbishing the participation of people over and over again displays your hatred.

Likewise I enjoy passing the time here and often find it very entertaining.

You contradict yourself and you don't even realize it. If you enjoy passing the time here and find it entertaining, then it is not inconsequential. Maybe you got some screws loose?

Indeed, you people are extremely funny in your own inconsequential way.

Better to be inconsequential than be a moron. Wouldn't you agree?

Besides, we have already established that your 'dq' is far higher than mine, havent we anajmi.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4868&p=148998#p148998

You are obviously too stupid to have understood what I said in that post. Spend your time getting smarter and then you may understand what I was saying.

[Critical_Thinker]

Actually, Al Zulfikar has been here since 2006. At an average, he posts less than 1.5 posts per day, but your average is closer to 2.5 posts a day. So, you are the one wasting more time on idle chit - chat.

Chit-chat is precisely the reason why I come here.
Why does a non-progressive like you come here anajmi?
Why have you been here for almost a decade and a half?
Why have you made over 12000 posts?
Why does your life obsessively revolve around this forum?
Please do tell.

[anajmi]

Because this forum is significant.

[Critical_Thinker]

Excellent idea fayaaz bhai.
I have seen this on most other forums on the internet.
The question is whether admin will implement it here?
Do you think he will?

Of course it is up to Admin to implement it. The application used by this site is a version of Open Source Software from phpBB. phpBB is at the foot of this page. If there is no native facility for stat counters in the application, there are add-on features like the one from StatCounter which provides JavaScript to be incorporated on the website. This provides statistics. It may not come free.

The contact for this website is in Mississauga, Canada. This information is readily available on the net.

In the last thirty days this site as a whole (not just the forum) received about 50,000 visitors, according to data available on the net. That is roughly 1700 visitors per day. This figure includes repeat visits by the same individuals. Consider that people like anajmi hit this forum every 5 minutes in 24 hours, that translates to 300 hits by him alone. I would estimate that regulars also pay multiple visits during the day and it is easy to see that the figure of 1500 per day could be achieved by a handful of participants.

The figure of 1200 simultaneous visits seems highly exaggerated. anajmi has clearly seen a lower figure but wants to be generous to score a point against Critical Thinker.

It is not unheard of for a site to get very high incidence of traffic during special events such as the death of SMB. In any case, in absence of historical counter set for this site, we are unlikely to know the level of traffic.

A very informative post fayaaz bhai, are you a computer expert?
If you are, would you mind offering your assistance to admin in order to improve the forum?

The figure of 1700 visits sounds about right.
Like you say, members like anajmi check the forum a hundred times a day, others may check far less.
Taking a rough average of 10 visits per person would give us a figure of 170.
This nicely correlates with the number of views on threads, which show between 100-200 people reading.

[Al Zulfiqar]

Therefore you waste 45 times more of your time on idle chit-chat than me, dont you.

As for teaching sbm english, that is a monumental task which only you could ever accomplish.
I trust you will start classes for him immediately so he stops embarrassing himself here all the time.

ct, "passing time in idle chitchat' are your own words and apply to your posts by your own admission. we have never said that we come here to pass our time and do idle chitchat. and the reason i called you out is because you are a self-serving contradictory hypocrite. on the one hand you have confessed several times that you have too much time on your hands and come here to pass your time to while away your blues, whilst on the other hand you shout from the rooftops that this site a bunch of crock. naturally it begs the question what is a highly 'critical thinker' like you doing on a b.s. site? that makes you a huge [DELETED] all that we understand from your puerile immature behaviour is that you are obsessed with gossiping, making trivial, vicious talk, but doing nothing concrete in life.

as for teaching others language skills, i have a better idea. why dont i first teach you how not to contradict yourself, how not to make yourself look like an utter fool, how to be humble and learn how to provide constructive criticism and positive action, instead of just crying and whining like a spolit brat all the time?

[anajmi]

A very informative post fayaaz bhai, are you a computer expert?

The data provided by fayyaaz doesn't require computer expertise. Half of it is his own opinion. The fact that you believe this, implies that you are 0 to very little educated or high to very high ignorant.

[Critical_Thinker]

I am a woman so why do you refer to me as he and it?
Underlying sexism is it anajmi?

Not my intent. I just wasn't sure. Henceforth, I will refer to you as a woman.

You say I hate the forum?
Please quote the post where I have said that.
If you cant then, as usual, you are lying.

Do not get too literal. I say you display hatred towards the forum. Hatred can be displayed in many ways and your posts display hatred. One doesn't need to say "I hate" to display hatred.

Thinking the forum is inconsequential (which is the obvious truth) does not mean that I hate it.

No, but repeating the same thing over and over again and rubbishing the participation of people over and over again displays your hatred.

Likewise I enjoy passing the time here and often find it very entertaining.

You contradict yourself and you don't even realize it. If you enjoy passing the time here and find it entertaining, then it is not inconsequential. Maybe you got some screws loose?

Indeed, you people are extremely funny in your own inconsequential way.

Better to be inconsequential than be a moron. Wouldn't you agree?

Besides, we have already established that your 'dq' is far higher than mine, havent we anajmi.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=4868&p=148998#p148998

You are obviously too stupid to have understood what I said in that post. Spend your time getting smarter and then you may understand what I was saying.

I never have and never will display any hatred to anyone.
Please quote the posts you mean or admit you are lying.

All you do here anajmi is repeat the same hatred for shias and bohras and rubbish them over and over again.
That bhori girl must have really broken your heart.

Much like sbm, your low intellect is having trouble grasping context.
This forum is inconsequential because it wont change a thing in the real world.
The fact that I personally enjoy coming here does not change this obvious truth.

It is quite possible to be both inconsequential and a moron.
You have personally proven this over the past decade and half, havent you.

When you contradict yourself (as you do so often) and people point it out, please do not get angry and call people names.
Instead try not to say foolish things which ultimately make you embarrassed.

[anajmi]

This forum is inconsequential because it wont change a thing in the real world.

It doesn't need to. People need to make a change in the real world. The fact that people come to this forum, makes it significant and the fact that people are unable to change a thing in the real world, makes the people insignificant. And apparently, you haven't been able to make any change anywhere in the world. Which makes you insignificant.

[Critical_Thinker]

Because this forum is significant.

In what way?
We all know you are an ex-hindu who converted to wahhabism.
Therefore why is this forum so significant to you?

[Critical_Thinker]

Therefore you waste 45 times more of your time on idle chit-chat than me, dont you.

As for teaching sbm english, that is a monumental task which only you could ever accomplish.
I trust you will start classes for him immediately so he stops embarrassing himself here all the time.

ct, "passing time in idle chitchat' are your own words and apply to your posts by your own admission. we have never said that we come here to pass our time and do idle chitchat. and the reason i called you out is because you are a self-serving contradictory hypocrite. on the one hand you have confessed several times that you have too much time on your hands and come here to pass your time to while away your blues, whilst on the other hand you shout from the rooftops that this site a bunch of crock. naturally it begs the question what is a highly 'critical thinker' like you doing on a [DELETED] [DELETED] all that we understand from your puerile immature behaviour is that you are obsessed with gossiping, making trivial, vicious talk, but doing nothing concrete in life.

as for teaching others language skills, i have a better idea. why dont i first teach you how not to contradict yourself, how not to make yourself look like an utter fool, how to be humble and learn how to provide constructive criticism and positive action, instead of just crying and whining like a spolit brat all the time?

Your delusional melodrama and disgusting foul-mouthed language seems to get worse with every post you make al zulfiqar.

we have never said that we come here to pass our time and do idle chitchat.
I never said you did.
Now please tell me why you do come here al zulfiqar.

you shout from the rooftops that this site a bunch of crock.
Please quote the post where I ever said anything like this.
Otherwise add it on to the long list of lies you constantly spout around here.

but doing nothing concrete in life.
I am a progressive, that is what I have done with my life.
What have you done?
Nothing, except post on the internet.
Why not develop the courage to leave the traditional jamaat instead of burning in hatred for it?

i have a better idea. why dont i first teach you how not to contradict yourself, how not to make yourself look like an utter fool, how to be humble and learn how to provide constructive criticism and positive action, instead of just crying and whining like a spolit brat all the time?
You should attempt to teach this to yourself first, before trying to teach others.

[Critical_Thinker]

A very informative post fayaaz bhai, are you a computer expert?

The data provided by fayyaaz doesn't require computer expertise. Half of it is his own opinion. The fact that you believe this, implies that you are 0 to very little educated or high to very high ignorant.

You didnt even know about this data nor do you have any computer expertise.
We all know how uneducated and ignorant you are.
You have proven it in over 12000 posts.

[Al Zulfiqar]

Therefore you waste 45 times more of your time on idle chit-chat than me, dont you.

we have never said that we come here to pass our time and do idle chitchat.
I never said you did.

just read your 2 statements above. need further proof that you are slowly going nuts?

you shout from the rooftops that this site a bunch of crock.
Please quote the post where I ever said anything like this.

once again, are you slowly going nuts? is it an onset of early alzheimer's?

Why not develop the courage to leave the traditional jamaat instead of burning in hatred for it?
what makes you think i am even remotely a part of any 'traditional' abde jamaat? i have made my stand very clear many times previously. do you even bother to read the postings on the forum or are you just plain lazy? once again, are you slowly going nuts? is it an onset of early alzheimer's?

[zinger]

Zinger bhai, I have seen many people mention whatsapp as a measure of this forums 'significance'.
I honestly see that as another sign of this forums insignificance.

Well, ok, to each his/her own

1. How many people are getting these whatsapp messages?
You obviously feel that countless people all over the world are receiving them because you and your friends do.
I believe this is far from being the reality.
What we have is a small 'circle' of people viewing this forum who number only a few hundred.
This small group of people forward messages to each other all the time, so to people within this 'circle' it can appear that this forum is spreading like wildfire.
Unfortunately the vast overwhelming majority of bohras are not in this small 'circle' so they have no idea what is going on at all.

This is where i will disagree. i have friends in canada, US, UK and Australia too. Many of the messages are from people who are not even aware of this forum

2. How many people take whatsapp messages seriously?
Everybody gets all kinds of silly messages and immediately deletes them.
Whatsapp is simply not a medium for deep intellectual discussion about something as important as religion.

True. its just for entertainment and jokes most of the times, but once in a while comes along a forward that will make you stop and think

3. Whatsapp messages do not give any depth or context.
To an average bohra in the traditional jamaat, a whatsapp message full of insult and abuse will be instantly dismissed.
They will not read it thoroughly and take anything onboard because they only see the tip of the iceberg.

Disagree, most people will forward messages only that have a context. Nobody randomly forwards msgs assuming the receiver will understand it

Without them knowing the full story behind the message, and seeing verified evidence of its claims, it will merely reinforce the perception that the progressives and reform are against the bohra faith and community.
In this regard, whatsapp is actually highly counter-productive.

In this i agree, and going by 99% of the posts here, it will only reinforce that belief

4. What do these whatsapp messages lead to?
If you are right zinger bhai, and many people are receiving these messages and taking them seriously, then why arent there more people coming to the forum?
Surely they would want to see the source and want to find out more, but in reality nobody cares and this place is virtually empty.
The same points could be said about email and facebook etc.

In my opinion, it does not take too much intelligence to operate whatsapp. coming to this forum may not be possible. most people have smartphones today, not all people have access to the internet

What we need is more participation on the forum zinger bhai, that is the one and only measure of true significance.

If people cannot even bother to take part on an internet forum, in complete secrecy, from the comfort of their home, then do you think they will make the effort to do anything important in the real world against the kothar? Of course they wont.

Agreed. most of us are content with the way things are. We dont want to rock the boat to much, i was pretty much content the way things were too. certain instances however made me concerned

As for this forum needing to be cleaned up, you are absolutely correct.
However this place has been the same since it first started, so its unlikely to change now.
I personally believe admin is under pressure from the kothar to keep the forum small and therefore irrelevant.
If it was allowed to grow large, then the kothar would unleash their money and manpower to shut the website down.
This is purely my own 'conspiracy theory' which I think is far more plausible then the commonly held belief that the website is wahhabi enterprise.

Yes it DOES need a huge amount of cleaning. i think the new policy of admin of automatically getting certain cusses removed is a step in the right direction.
as for your "conspiracy theory"... whew that is certainly a strange one

[zinger]

What i find extremely disgusting on this site is that way people are making personal attacks on CT.

She has never initiated a personal attack on anyone but has responded in kind.

I find it sickening to see grown-up, mature men like AZ, Anajmi and SBM ganging up on a woman. Says a lot about your manhood boys.

And yes, as a neutral observer, its quite clear to everyone that CT is fighting a fair fight. its you boys who are making the fight dirty.

Disgusting behavior from so-called "seniors"

[qutub_mamajiwala]

yes she is fighting a fair fight alone with all and sundry.
guys why u want to fight on a non issue.
fight on real issues which is plaquing our community.
whats use in establishing if this forum is significant or not?
she has her views, u have urs. period.
just enjoy the discussion and forget the significance of this forum.
and if possible make other people aware of this forum in ur own little way.
why u want to take on a lady who has shown more courage than u by leaving traditional jamaat.

[humanbeing]

People like you are the ones who spend all day whining and complaining on the internet, but never do anything in the real world.
You are the ones who seem to believe this place is so very important, and pathetically spend your whole lives here..

My comment you quoted is absolutely true.
Please explain why you think it is a lie.

I want to ask those detractors on this forum who accuse people posting on this forum against kothar’s oppressive policies and mis-management of bohra community’s wealth and faith. Why and by what logic they have deduced this judgement/assumption/opinion that these people don’t do anything in real life to fight kothar ? This is not a time-set battle or competition where either party can win, it is a perpetual state of conflict be it in real life, on such forums, within hearts or physically. Different people have different ways to ward off kothar. The endless talks, discussions, debates, argument has various faces to it. If kothar cannot be defeated or reformed, then there is a hope to help those who wants to be helped. And there are bohras young and old who are in a state of conflict, feeling alone in their thoughts. But such forums, discussions in thaals, social gatherings, family outings help these kinds to come in terms slowly and steadily. There is no one stop solution to these.


I still pay up, but now my paying up is more conscious, probed and effective to the project they are asking for. I get involved, I demand information and provide assistance. It is not blind pledge anymore. I encourage healthy dialogue within abde circles. My efforts start with demanding financial accountability and gradually to questions of faith and spirituality. I and like many don’t bow, bend and crawl, but a humble salaam to give basic courteous respect, we don’t pay up for flimsy schemes, ikraams, kadambosi, paglaa, najwa etc. We don’t let amils talk down on us, we don’t run in madness for deedar darshan. There are thousands of bohras amongst the million abdes who are living a decent and respectable life with faith in their aakherat depending on deeds rather than these thugs !


My family is an extreme abde orthodox set up. There was a time, I became an eyesore to my family. They avoided, ridiculed, cursed me. With time, some members are coming around and are beginning to see kothar from my eyes. The most common chord one can touch is financial accountability. If one cannot dent the Kothari coffers, atleast one can save a hardworking man’s savings. Kothar is god forsaken monster. I am not as much worried about kothar than the people who can be saved. One at a time, I may help only a few in my lifetime, even that is enough in my conscience.


Kothar is not a fair player. It is a devious, deceptive, manipulating, treacherous, egoistic, vindictive opponent. We have seen what happened to brave souls who stood openly against Kothari oppression. I take kothar as commercial service provider, devoid of spiritual kindness.

Its sad that you think the progressive jamaat does not believe in the imam and a dai.
This displays your own ignorance, and also proves that this forum does not represent progressive ideals.
I suggest you read this thread: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10379

Please educate me on your belief system. how do you believe in Imam and his Dais and how do reflect that in your daily life.

Few years ago, there was an interesting discussion on this aspect and someone asked me the same question as above. I too believe in Imamate and Daiship. Now Imam being hidden and Dais becoming corrupt are evolution/side effects of this belief rather then centrality of its existence. This are purely my understanding and I m continuously studying and open to corrections. I have stated my belief system in my threads you can refer to them, if you wish to. I respect our previous duaats whose stories I have grown up with, their humble life was testimony of their piety, the irony and hypocrisy of current kothar’s regime is evident when they narrate these Duaat’s humility and shamelessly do the opposite the next moments.

Now, how do you practice your belief ? till what number of DAI do you believe in ? and what/which DAI’s conduct do you reject as part of progressive jamaat member.

I thought you were one of the few intelligent people here human being bhai.
It seems this is not the case.
Therefore you are the one who needs to 'grow up' and perhaps should also try to educate yourself.

Thank you for your kind words,

[YaHussain]

Thank you for your kind words,

Brother read again, she is actually telling you in soft tone that you are still an [DELETED] and you need to grow up, it wasn't a compliment. lol

[YaHussain]

I like CT she has some valid points.

[humanbeing]

Thank you for your kind words,

Brother read again, she is actually telling you in soft tone that you are still an [DELETED] and you need to grow up, it wasn't a compliment. lol

Thanks to you too !

some time read beyond the lines !