Do we need an Imam!!
The purpose of sending the prophets was to bring the laws to the people and it needs an agency (In the form of an imam ) to execute the laws.
so, Imam is basically an exectioner of the laws brought by the prophets.
Every Prophet had imams or thier true successors who guided the people after them.
Since our Prophet(SAW) was the last one and there was going to be no Prophet after him, it needed equally pious/perfect souls to be guides among the ummah.These guides were the imams from the progeny of Ali & Fatema.
IMAM
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What is the big reason for and of Imamet..??? And why not for Mohammad's son ...??!! why not direct descendants of Mohammad, why it had to be Ali and Fatema ...??!!! why God made it complicated... he says - Islam is easy and made simple for human beings....
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Dear Bro. Mal
Mohammad (SAW) did not had any son left and his only child from whom he had offsprings is from her daughter Fatema..
This is clear cut thing and there is no controversy in this issue among ummah..
where did u find the complication ???
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What is the big reason for and of Imamet..??? And why not for Mohammad's son ...??!! why not direct descendants of Mohammad, why it had to be Ali and Fatema ...??!!! why God made it complicated... he says - Islam is easy and made simple for human beings....
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Dear Bro. Mal
Mohammad (SAW) did not had any son left and his only child from whom he had offsprings is from her daughter Fatema..
This is clear cut thing and there is no controversy in this issue among ummah..
where did u find the complication ???
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'God desires ease for you, and desires not hardship' (2:185);
'Truly with hardship comes ease' (94: 6);
'God will assuredly appoint, after difficulty; easiness' (65:7);
'Whoso fears God, God will appoint for him, of His command, easiness' (65:4);
'We shall speak to him, of our command, easiness' (18:88);
'God desires to lighten things for you, for the human being has been created weak' (94:28).
Prophet Muhammad (saw) has advised us: 'This Deen or way of life is easy But if anyone overdoes it, it gets the better of him. So keep to the right course, approximate to perfection, rejoice, and ask for help in the mornings, the evenings, and some of the latter part of the night' (Bukhari).
'Do those deeds which you can do easily, as Allah will not get tired [of giving rewards] till you get bored and tired [of performing good deeds! ... and the most beloved deed to Allah is the one which is done regularly even if it is little' (Bukhari).
'He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion' (22: 78).
But those who believe and work righteousness,- no burden do We place on any soul, but that which it can bear,- they will be Companions of the Garden, therein to dwell (for ever). 7:42
'And We will most certainly test you with something of fear and hunger, and loss of possessions and lives and crops' (2:155).
'But give good news to those who are patient, who, when a calamity strikes them, say: 'Indeed we belong to God and indeed to Him we shall be returning: They are those on whom are blessings from their Sustainer, and mercy-and those, they are the rightly-guided. (2: 155-157).
'Truly with hardship comes ease' (94: 6);
'God will assuredly appoint, after difficulty; easiness' (65:7);
'Whoso fears God, God will appoint for him, of His command, easiness' (65:4);
'We shall speak to him, of our command, easiness' (18:88);
'God desires to lighten things for you, for the human being has been created weak' (94:28).
Prophet Muhammad (saw) has advised us: 'This Deen or way of life is easy But if anyone overdoes it, it gets the better of him. So keep to the right course, approximate to perfection, rejoice, and ask for help in the mornings, the evenings, and some of the latter part of the night' (Bukhari).
'Do those deeds which you can do easily, as Allah will not get tired [of giving rewards] till you get bored and tired [of performing good deeds! ... and the most beloved deed to Allah is the one which is done regularly even if it is little' (Bukhari).
'He has chosen you, and has imposed no difficulties on you in religion' (22: 78).
But those who believe and work righteousness,- no burden do We place on any soul, but that which it can bear,- they will be Companions of the Garden, therein to dwell (for ever). 7:42
'And We will most certainly test you with something of fear and hunger, and loss of possessions and lives and crops' (2:155).
'But give good news to those who are patient, who, when a calamity strikes them, say: 'Indeed we belong to God and indeed to Him we shall be returning: They are those on whom are blessings from their Sustainer, and mercy-and those, they are the rightly-guided. (2: 155-157).
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Well, I have to remind all of us that " WE ALL " are resposible... resposible for what ? According to the last sermon of Rasool-lul-lah:
O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QUR'AN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.
WE ARE THE IMAMS FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD>
that is why we are the best of UMMAS, since we do the work of the prophets...........
O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QUR'AN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.
WE ARE THE IMAMS FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD>
that is why we are the best of UMMAS, since we do the work of the prophets...........
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O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QUR'AN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.
WE ARE THE IMAMS FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD>
that is why we are the best of UMMAS, since we do the work of the prophets...........
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It is QUR'AN and Ahlebait( pure imams)..
Now sunnah is available in the form of Hadhits and all of us know that how Hadiths can be wrong (so many wrong Hadiths were written during the Umayyad and Abbasid period and there are so many false Hadihs in the so called authentic books like Sahih, Muslim, tirmidhi etc.,
Quran is without error and Hadiths have lot of errors so both cannot be together.
Whereas, the life of pure Imams from the Ahlebait is very well recoded in books of history and both the sunnis as well as Shias except it that they were indeed greater souls and they are the source of Guidance to the ummah after the Prophet (SAW ).
O People, NO PROPHET OR APOSTLE WILL COME AFTER ME AND NO NEW FAITH WILL BE BORN. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the QUR'AN and my example, the SUNNAH and if you follow these you will never go astray.
WE ARE THE IMAMS FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD>
that is why we are the best of UMMAS, since we do the work of the prophets...........
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It is QUR'AN and Ahlebait( pure imams)..
Now sunnah is available in the form of Hadhits and all of us know that how Hadiths can be wrong (so many wrong Hadiths were written during the Umayyad and Abbasid period and there are so many false Hadihs in the so called authentic books like Sahih, Muslim, tirmidhi etc.,
Quran is without error and Hadiths have lot of errors so both cannot be together.
Whereas, the life of pure Imams from the Ahlebait is very well recoded in books of history and both the sunnis as well as Shias except it that they were indeed greater souls and they are the source of Guidance to the ummah after the Prophet (SAW ).
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LA ILLA HA ILLULULAH and MUHAMMADUR RASOOL-LULAH CAN NOT BE SEPRATED...our KALMA DOES NOT READ LA ILLAHA ILLUL LAH AND THEN IMAM......... No.
Here are few of the Auyaats from what you think is Authentic...( Qur'an )
please make sure that you verify...
Al-A'raf 158
Say: O people! surely I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, of Him Whose is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth there is no god but He; He brings to life and causes to die therefore believe in Allah and His messenger, the Ummi Prophet who believes in Allah and His words, and
follow him so that you may walk in the right way.
al-anfal 20
O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak).
al-anfal 46
And obey Allah and His Messenger and do not quarrel for then you will be weak in hearts and your power will depart, and be patient; surely Allah is with the patient
Al-i Imran 132
And obey Allah and the Messenger, that you may be shown mercy
AND ...............ther are lots more....I can fill pages after pages Right from Qur'an that there is no ISLAM...DEAN...OR IMAN withoout beleiving and following the Rasool allah (sul'lu lahoo wa ailahee wassalam)...
May allah guide us in the right path...
Ihdee nus situl mutaqeem .... Ameen
Here are few of the Auyaats from what you think is Authentic...( Qur'an )
please make sure that you verify...
Al-A'raf 158
Say: O people! surely I am the Messenger of Allah to you all, of Him Whose is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth there is no god but He; He brings to life and causes to die therefore believe in Allah and His messenger, the Ummi Prophet who believes in Allah and His words, and
follow him so that you may walk in the right way.
al-anfal 20
O ye who believe! Obey Allah and His Messenger, and turn not away from him when ye hear (him speak).
al-anfal 46
And obey Allah and His Messenger and do not quarrel for then you will be weak in hearts and your power will depart, and be patient; surely Allah is with the patient
Al-i Imran 132
And obey Allah and the Messenger, that you may be shown mercy
AND ...............ther are lots more....I can fill pages after pages Right from Qur'an that there is no ISLAM...DEAN...OR IMAN withoout beleiving and following the Rasool allah (sul'lu lahoo wa ailahee wassalam)...
May allah guide us in the right path...
Ihdee nus situl mutaqeem .... Ameen
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There was no question of not following the Prophet.
In fact it is the Prophet who had declared his successor or wasi in the form of Hazrat Ali (At the grounds of Ghadeer ) in front of thousands of muslims.(Again thousands of Hadiths can be found on this even in the sunni books).
To follow an Imam is to follow the Prohpet(SAW).
In fact it is the Prophet who had declared his successor or wasi in the form of Hazrat Ali (At the grounds of Ghadeer ) in front of thousands of muslims.(Again thousands of Hadiths can be found on this even in the sunni books).
To follow an Imam is to follow the Prohpet(SAW).
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There are many verses in the Quran that are attributed to Imams & Imamate. Here's some; hopefully, I can update with more later.
"The Almighty Allah has bestowed His trust on Ale Muhammad (The descendants of Muhammad, Peace Be Upon Them), who are the Strongholds of His Commandments. From where they are expounded and interpreted. They are The
Fountain Heads of Knowledge Created by Him, Shelters for His Teachings, Forts for Heavenly Books, And lofty Citadels to
defend His Religion. Islam needed help and support, By them Allah made Islam strong and powerful".
"And We assigned from among them some Imams(Leaders) who guide by Our Authority since they were patient and believed firmly in Our Signs. (Qur'an 32:24)
And, He it is who made the stars for you that ye maybe rightly guided by observing them in the darkness of the land and the sea; Indeed we have made plain the Signs for the people who can know. (Qur'an 6:98).
The Holy Prophet said:
" As the stars in the sky are the Source of guidance to the travellers, The Holy Ones of my Ahlal Bait (The Imams) are The Source of Guidance for the people. And, as the stars will remain in the sky until The Day of Judgment, The earth will never be without a Divinely Guide from My Ahlal Bait, That is an Imam".
And say those who disbelieve: "why hath not a sign been sent down unto him(Muhammad); Verily thou art a warner and for every people there is a guide (13:7)
Firmly Ground in Knowledge:
"He (God) is He Who Has revealed The Book (Quran) to you. Some of its verses are decisive; they are the Essence of The Book and the others are ambiguous; so as for those in whose hearts there is perversity, they follow the part of it which is ambiguous, seeking to mislead (people) and seeking to give it ( their own)
interpretation. But NONE knows its
interpretation , Save God and those who are firmly established in nowledge".(Qur'an 3:7).
"Nay These are The Verses of The Qur'an in the Breast of those who are gifted with Knowledge. (Qur'an: 29:49).
The Blessed Ones:
Guide us in the straight path: The path of those whom Thou hast blessed. (1:6&7).
They are those whom Allah has blessed among the Prophets and the truthfuls, and the martyrs and the righteous. (4:69)
These are The Ones on The Guidance from their Lord and these are The Ones shall be The successful ones. (Qur'an: 2:5).
The Purified Ones:
Verily It is Qur'an honourable,In a Book hidden, Toucheth It not save the purified ones. Sent down by The Lord of the Worlds. (56:77 to 80).
The Highest degree of purity means to be kept constantly away from all the causes of impurity. This is termed as the State of Infallibility in Knowledge, character and action. It could have been applied generally to the whole mankind who are keeping aloof from all the impurities as The Word of God Commands; But, God expressively Has confined His Order to certain Group of Individuals by excluding the rest of the mankind from it in His
Divine Will by declaring the 'Ahlal Bait' as the persons purified by Him to be constantly in touch with the Qur'an in its original, hidden, well protected, exalted and purified form. It was Allah's Wish to remove all Blemish from them:
Verily, verily God intendeth to keep off from you (every kind of filth), "O' ye The People of The House (Ahlul Bait), and purify you with a thorough purification. (Qur'an: 33:33).
Commandment to love Ahlal Bait:
In this Last Word of God (Qur'an), The Holy Prophet is being Commanded to ask the believers to love his kith and kin (that is
his Ahlal Bait) and that would be the return of his apostleship.
That is of which God Give the glad tidings unto His servants who believe and do good deeds; Say thou ('O' Apostle Muhammad!) " I demand not of you any recompense for it (the toils of apostleship) save THE LOVE OF (MY) RELATIVES…(62:23).
Ordinance of God :
And after returning from City of Mecca after his last or the parting Pilgrimage (Hajjatul Vida) at a place called Ghadeer e
Khum this verse was revealed to The Holy Prophet Muhammad, which occupies a very important and a leading position in The Holy Qur'an and forms a very vital part of The Word of God:
"O Apostle! deliver what has been Revealed to you from your Lord, and if you do it not, then you have not delivered
His Message, and Allah will protect you from the people, surely Allah will not guide the unbelieving people" (5:67)
Acknowledgement of Ali as the Successor:
History reports how the Holy Prophet stopped the caravan, delivered a long sermon, before a mammoth assemble of
thousands of the pilgrims and he was standing there to convey the Message to the Muslims and to perform the duty he was ordered to perform. Continuing the sermon, he said
"O people! Shortly I shall be called (to the Heaven),I am leaving amidst you, two most precious things, worthy of obedience,
THE BOOK of ALLAH (THE HOLY QUR'AN), and 'MY AHLAL BAIT' (The members of his family, Ali and Fatima and their Godly issues), Should ye be attached to these Two, Never shall ye get astray after me, for Verily these TWO will not
separate from each other until they meet me at the Fountain of Kausar (Paradise)."And then he called Ali Ibne Abi Taleb and raising him with the miraculous strength of his apostolic arms declared:
'Man kunto Maulaho fa haaza Ali-yun Maulahu' that is:
Whomsoever I am The Maula,(Lord, Master), This ALI is his Maula.
And declared him as The Ameer ul
Momeyneen(Commander of the faithful).
Then the Prophet said "Go now, and let those who have been present here today repeat and convey to those who are absent all that they have seen and heard."
Approval of The Religion:
And immediately after this historic event, the Divine inspiration again descended revealing:
"This day I perfected for you, your religion, and have completed my favor on you and chosen for you ISLAM (to be ) the Religion", ….(5:3).
Commandment To Believe:
Mankind! Verily The Apostle Mohammed hath come unto you with TRUTH from your Lord. Believe then unto him, it is good for you and if you disbelieve then God is whatever is in the Heavens and the Earth and God is All Knowing, All Wise. (4:170).
And We made them Imams (Leaders) by OUR Command and We revealed to them the doing of Good and the keeping up of Prayers and giving of the alms. (And Us)(Alone) did they serve (21:73)
God is He who sent down The Book with Truth and The Balance. What shall make you know, haply the hour (of Reckoning) be nigh (42:17)
"The Two inseparable Associates each one of whom stands as a witness to the truth of the other."
**Since the Ahlal Bait carry as much weight in the eyes of Allah as The Holy Quran,the former has the same qualities as the latter. Just as the Qur'an is true from beginning to end without the shadow of untruth in it, and just as it is incumbent(duty) of every Muslim to obey its commands, so also must the Ahlal Bait be perfectly true and sincere guides whose
commands must be followed by all. Therefore there can be no escape of accepting their leadership and following their creed and faith. The Muslims are bound by the sayings of prophet to follow them and no one else.**
Those who have faith in god and do righteous deeds they are the best of creatures (khairul barriya). (98:7)
BE Guided To The Right Path.
"The Almighty Allah has bestowed His trust on Ale Muhammad (The descendants of Muhammad, Peace Be Upon Them), who are the Strongholds of His Commandments. From where they are expounded and interpreted. They are The
Fountain Heads of Knowledge Created by Him, Shelters for His Teachings, Forts for Heavenly Books, And lofty Citadels to
defend His Religion. Islam needed help and support, By them Allah made Islam strong and powerful".
"And We assigned from among them some Imams(Leaders) who guide by Our Authority since they were patient and believed firmly in Our Signs. (Qur'an 32:24)
And, He it is who made the stars for you that ye maybe rightly guided by observing them in the darkness of the land and the sea; Indeed we have made plain the Signs for the people who can know. (Qur'an 6:98).
The Holy Prophet said:
" As the stars in the sky are the Source of guidance to the travellers, The Holy Ones of my Ahlal Bait (The Imams) are The Source of Guidance for the people. And, as the stars will remain in the sky until The Day of Judgment, The earth will never be without a Divinely Guide from My Ahlal Bait, That is an Imam".
And say those who disbelieve: "why hath not a sign been sent down unto him(Muhammad); Verily thou art a warner and for every people there is a guide (13:7)
Firmly Ground in Knowledge:
"He (God) is He Who Has revealed The Book (Quran) to you. Some of its verses are decisive; they are the Essence of The Book and the others are ambiguous; so as for those in whose hearts there is perversity, they follow the part of it which is ambiguous, seeking to mislead (people) and seeking to give it ( their own)
interpretation. But NONE knows its
interpretation , Save God and those who are firmly established in nowledge".(Qur'an 3:7).
"Nay These are The Verses of The Qur'an in the Breast of those who are gifted with Knowledge. (Qur'an: 29:49).
The Blessed Ones:
Guide us in the straight path: The path of those whom Thou hast blessed. (1:6&7).
They are those whom Allah has blessed among the Prophets and the truthfuls, and the martyrs and the righteous. (4:69)
These are The Ones on The Guidance from their Lord and these are The Ones shall be The successful ones. (Qur'an: 2:5).
The Purified Ones:
Verily It is Qur'an honourable,In a Book hidden, Toucheth It not save the purified ones. Sent down by The Lord of the Worlds. (56:77 to 80).
The Highest degree of purity means to be kept constantly away from all the causes of impurity. This is termed as the State of Infallibility in Knowledge, character and action. It could have been applied generally to the whole mankind who are keeping aloof from all the impurities as The Word of God Commands; But, God expressively Has confined His Order to certain Group of Individuals by excluding the rest of the mankind from it in His
Divine Will by declaring the 'Ahlal Bait' as the persons purified by Him to be constantly in touch with the Qur'an in its original, hidden, well protected, exalted and purified form. It was Allah's Wish to remove all Blemish from them:
Verily, verily God intendeth to keep off from you (every kind of filth), "O' ye The People of The House (Ahlul Bait), and purify you with a thorough purification. (Qur'an: 33:33).
Commandment to love Ahlal Bait:
In this Last Word of God (Qur'an), The Holy Prophet is being Commanded to ask the believers to love his kith and kin (that is
his Ahlal Bait) and that would be the return of his apostleship.
That is of which God Give the glad tidings unto His servants who believe and do good deeds; Say thou ('O' Apostle Muhammad!) " I demand not of you any recompense for it (the toils of apostleship) save THE LOVE OF (MY) RELATIVES…(62:23).
Ordinance of God :
And after returning from City of Mecca after his last or the parting Pilgrimage (Hajjatul Vida) at a place called Ghadeer e
Khum this verse was revealed to The Holy Prophet Muhammad, which occupies a very important and a leading position in The Holy Qur'an and forms a very vital part of The Word of God:
"O Apostle! deliver what has been Revealed to you from your Lord, and if you do it not, then you have not delivered
His Message, and Allah will protect you from the people, surely Allah will not guide the unbelieving people" (5:67)
Acknowledgement of Ali as the Successor:
History reports how the Holy Prophet stopped the caravan, delivered a long sermon, before a mammoth assemble of
thousands of the pilgrims and he was standing there to convey the Message to the Muslims and to perform the duty he was ordered to perform. Continuing the sermon, he said
"O people! Shortly I shall be called (to the Heaven),I am leaving amidst you, two most precious things, worthy of obedience,
THE BOOK of ALLAH (THE HOLY QUR'AN), and 'MY AHLAL BAIT' (The members of his family, Ali and Fatima and their Godly issues), Should ye be attached to these Two, Never shall ye get astray after me, for Verily these TWO will not
separate from each other until they meet me at the Fountain of Kausar (Paradise)."And then he called Ali Ibne Abi Taleb and raising him with the miraculous strength of his apostolic arms declared:
'Man kunto Maulaho fa haaza Ali-yun Maulahu' that is:
Whomsoever I am The Maula,(Lord, Master), This ALI is his Maula.
And declared him as The Ameer ul
Momeyneen(Commander of the faithful).
Then the Prophet said "Go now, and let those who have been present here today repeat and convey to those who are absent all that they have seen and heard."
Approval of The Religion:
And immediately after this historic event, the Divine inspiration again descended revealing:
"This day I perfected for you, your religion, and have completed my favor on you and chosen for you ISLAM (to be ) the Religion", ….(5:3).
Commandment To Believe:
Mankind! Verily The Apostle Mohammed hath come unto you with TRUTH from your Lord. Believe then unto him, it is good for you and if you disbelieve then God is whatever is in the Heavens and the Earth and God is All Knowing, All Wise. (4:170).
And We made them Imams (Leaders) by OUR Command and We revealed to them the doing of Good and the keeping up of Prayers and giving of the alms. (And Us)(Alone) did they serve (21:73)
God is He who sent down The Book with Truth and The Balance. What shall make you know, haply the hour (of Reckoning) be nigh (42:17)
"The Two inseparable Associates each one of whom stands as a witness to the truth of the other."
**Since the Ahlal Bait carry as much weight in the eyes of Allah as The Holy Quran,the former has the same qualities as the latter. Just as the Qur'an is true from beginning to end without the shadow of untruth in it, and just as it is incumbent(duty) of every Muslim to obey its commands, so also must the Ahlal Bait be perfectly true and sincere guides whose
commands must be followed by all. Therefore there can be no escape of accepting their leadership and following their creed and faith. The Muslims are bound by the sayings of prophet to follow them and no one else.**
Those who have faith in god and do righteous deeds they are the best of creatures (khairul barriya). (98:7)
BE Guided To The Right Path.
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You wrote;
Is is Aga Khan: Who has invented his own version of Islam
Is it Imaam of Twelvers: Who is thousands of year old and same person will return as mehdi.
Is is Bohra Imaam: Who is hiding (of course by Allah's order) and his successor will come out some day (Of course when Allah orders)
Perhaps you will find some Ahadith or verses of Qur'an to shed some light.
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You wrote;
So where is the Imaaam?To follow an Imam is to follow the Prohpet(SAW).
Is is Aga Khan: Who has invented his own version of Islam
Is it Imaam of Twelvers: Who is thousands of year old and same person will return as mehdi.
Is is Bohra Imaam: Who is hiding (of course by Allah's order) and his successor will come out some day (Of course when Allah orders)
Perhaps you will find some Ahadith or verses of Qur'an to shed some light.
Wasalaam
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Re: IMAM
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Quran VS. Shia !
http://www.allaahuakbar.net/shiites/quran_vs_shia.htm
*****32:24 Sura Sajdah Ayat 24
"And we assigned from among them some Imams who guide by Our authority since they were patient and believed firmly in Our Signs."
The vesre again has nothing to do with the Shia definition of Imamah. You can consider Aboobkar and Omar and Osman and Ali as Imams who Allah put them for people.
This is because "Jaalna" in Quran does not necessarily means that God has put something by command. If you read the uses of the word "Ja'alna" (which here has been translated un-accurately as we Assigned) in Quran you will see that in almost all the cases the word Ja'alna in Quran does not have an exclusive Tashre'yee meaning (i.e some thing that has been put in action by a REVEALED command of Allah), in Quran it has generally used for the Takvini meaning (i.e something that has put in action by a will of Allah without necessarily revealing a command about it), by Ja'alna it does not mean that a revelation or a command has come from Allah to appoint someone as the leader. The above verse only means that from Bani Isra'yeel, those who were qualified for leadership became leaders for their people by the will of Allah. Interestingly enough there are no mentions of infallibility as a qualification for Imams in this verse. Refer to your main source of Tafsir (Majma'olbayan) and see if there you can find any tafseer for this verse to the benefit of Shia. The author in Majmaolbayan even says that some of the scholars believe that A'emma in this verse means prophets.
To understand this verse better, I invite you to look at the other verse that includes the word Imam and interestingly enough is often EXCLUDED from the Shia argument when they talk about the use of the word Imam in Quran.
The verse is related to the debate as it has the same expression that the above verse has.
Forqan 74:
"... Those who say in their prayer: `O lord grant unto us wives and offspring who will be the comfort of our eyes, and assigned us as Imams for the righteous ".
The last part of the verse uses the same impression, i.e. Vaj'alna lelmottaqina Imama.
Obviously the Imam in this verse is not the same Imam that Shia believes in (read the Shia tafasir to see they agree this). An Imam according to Shia never prays to become Imam (they are appointed divinely from the beginning). This verse shows that every normal human being, even those who have sins in the condition that they truly repent (refer to the few verses before the above verse), can become an Imam for Muslims. He does not need to be infallible and he does not need to be directly appointed by Allah. By the same token, the word "Ja'alna" in verse 32:24 has nothing to do with being directly appointed by Allah. Hence the verse is simply talking about the general meaning of Imamat which is leadership.
It is really sad that we read in Shia sources that a Shia is narrated from Imam Sadiq that the verse 74 of Forqan was not: "and assign us as Imams for the righteous", but it really was "and assign FOR us Imams FROM the righteous. It is sad to see a Shia narrator attributes the idea of Tahrif to Imam Sadiq just to justify a verse of Quran that is opposed to his belief.
Having said all the above, even if for the sake of discussion we accept that the verse is saying that Allah really appointed Imams for Bani Israil by revelation or so, still there is no indication from the vesre that Allah will also appoint Imams for Muslms by revelation or so and that this is the Sunnah of Allah. We can see that any nations with their own prophets had certain conditions that were excluded to themselves.
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Quran VS. Shia !
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*****32:24 Sura Sajdah Ayat 24
"And we assigned from among them some Imams who guide by Our authority since they were patient and believed firmly in Our Signs."
The vesre again has nothing to do with the Shia definition of Imamah. You can consider Aboobkar and Omar and Osman and Ali as Imams who Allah put them for people.
This is because "Jaalna" in Quran does not necessarily means that God has put something by command. If you read the uses of the word "Ja'alna" (which here has been translated un-accurately as we Assigned) in Quran you will see that in almost all the cases the word Ja'alna in Quran does not have an exclusive Tashre'yee meaning (i.e some thing that has been put in action by a REVEALED command of Allah), in Quran it has generally used for the Takvini meaning (i.e something that has put in action by a will of Allah without necessarily revealing a command about it), by Ja'alna it does not mean that a revelation or a command has come from Allah to appoint someone as the leader. The above verse only means that from Bani Isra'yeel, those who were qualified for leadership became leaders for their people by the will of Allah. Interestingly enough there are no mentions of infallibility as a qualification for Imams in this verse. Refer to your main source of Tafsir (Majma'olbayan) and see if there you can find any tafseer for this verse to the benefit of Shia. The author in Majmaolbayan even says that some of the scholars believe that A'emma in this verse means prophets.
To understand this verse better, I invite you to look at the other verse that includes the word Imam and interestingly enough is often EXCLUDED from the Shia argument when they talk about the use of the word Imam in Quran.
The verse is related to the debate as it has the same expression that the above verse has.
Forqan 74:
"... Those who say in their prayer: `O lord grant unto us wives and offspring who will be the comfort of our eyes, and assigned us as Imams for the righteous ".
The last part of the verse uses the same impression, i.e. Vaj'alna lelmottaqina Imama.
Obviously the Imam in this verse is not the same Imam that Shia believes in (read the Shia tafasir to see they agree this). An Imam according to Shia never prays to become Imam (they are appointed divinely from the beginning). This verse shows that every normal human being, even those who have sins in the condition that they truly repent (refer to the few verses before the above verse), can become an Imam for Muslims. He does not need to be infallible and he does not need to be directly appointed by Allah. By the same token, the word "Ja'alna" in verse 32:24 has nothing to do with being directly appointed by Allah. Hence the verse is simply talking about the general meaning of Imamat which is leadership.
It is really sad that we read in Shia sources that a Shia is narrated from Imam Sadiq that the verse 74 of Forqan was not: "and assign us as Imams for the righteous", but it really was "and assign FOR us Imams FROM the righteous. It is sad to see a Shia narrator attributes the idea of Tahrif to Imam Sadiq just to justify a verse of Quran that is opposed to his belief.
Having said all the above, even if for the sake of discussion we accept that the verse is saying that Allah really appointed Imams for Bani Israil by revelation or so, still there is no indication from the vesre that Allah will also appoint Imams for Muslms by revelation or so and that this is the Sunnah of Allah. We can see that any nations with their own prophets had certain conditions that were excluded to themselves.
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Re: IMAM
Br M.F.
Since the formation of the world, the Prophets were sent and the time period between two Prophets, there were wasis/imams who guided the people.
There is no single time the the world is devoid of them ie., either Prohpet/Wasi/Imam.
There is no descrepency upto this among any of the muslim sects.. Agreed!!
Going by the same logic why do you think the same will NOT continue after Prophet Muhammad (SAW), when there are innumerable traditions which you can even find in the sunni sources to prove to this effect.
In light of the verses that i've quoted earlier and substantiated by the various sayings of the Prophet and declaring his successor (ALI AS)in front of thousands of muslims, don't you agree that the institution of Imamat is paramount to ummah.
Quran is for all the times and not for only 7th century people, and to be so, it requires a Guardian/Interpreter/Executioner at all times so that ummah does not go astray.
If every Tom, Dick.. is allowed to interpret according to his whims and fancies then you'll see more of Taliban and thier likes who are all out to kill anybody/everybody and blame it on Quran (for thier lack of understanding and taking the literal meanings without analysing what is backround and the scope of an Ayat).
May Allah guide us always.
Since the formation of the world, the Prophets were sent and the time period between two Prophets, there were wasis/imams who guided the people.
There is no single time the the world is devoid of them ie., either Prohpet/Wasi/Imam.
There is no descrepency upto this among any of the muslim sects.. Agreed!!
Going by the same logic why do you think the same will NOT continue after Prophet Muhammad (SAW), when there are innumerable traditions which you can even find in the sunni sources to prove to this effect.
In light of the verses that i've quoted earlier and substantiated by the various sayings of the Prophet and declaring his successor (ALI AS)in front of thousands of muslims, don't you agree that the institution of Imamat is paramount to ummah.
Quran is for all the times and not for only 7th century people, and to be so, it requires a Guardian/Interpreter/Executioner at all times so that ummah does not go astray.
If every Tom, Dick.. is allowed to interpret according to his whims and fancies then you'll see more of Taliban and thier likes who are all out to kill anybody/everybody and blame it on Quran (for thier lack of understanding and taking the literal meanings without analysing what is backround and the scope of an Ayat).
May Allah guide us always.
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Re: IMAM
Dear Br. Uni.
You wrote;
Does he have name?
I would love to know his name.
B.T.W. you did not respond to my post of 9:04 am.
Wasalaam
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You wrote;
I agree with you. Now who do you think should be interpreting Quran for you?If every Tom, Dick.. is allowed to interpret according to his whims and fancies then you'll see more of Taliban and thier likes who are all out to kill anybody/everybody and blame it on Quran (for thier lack of understanding and taking the literal meanings without analysing what is backround and the scope of an Ayat).
Does he have name?
I would love to know his name.
B.T.W. you did not respond to my post of 9:04 am.
Wasalaam
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I'll be happy to respond to your question re: Does he have name? I would love to know his name....Is it Aga Khan? Is it Imaam of Twelvers?
The LATTER two are public domain so make of them what you will.
On the other hand there is consistency in the tradition of concealed Imams, even if it isn't "literal" enough for you. "Names" have a purely symbolic function in relation to the believers. They may VARY according to context, as Imam Moizz clearly explained regarding the earlier Imams in concealment. The circumstances confirming the WISDOM of this have NOT changed from those prevailing in the Abbasid period of repression. If anything, violent and ignorant threats exist on more fronts than EVER today.
So while "names" can be floated by you, tell me truly what is the POINT....To provide an excuse for mockery?
The LATTER two are public domain so make of them what you will.
On the other hand there is consistency in the tradition of concealed Imams, even if it isn't "literal" enough for you. "Names" have a purely symbolic function in relation to the believers. They may VARY according to context, as Imam Moizz clearly explained regarding the earlier Imams in concealment. The circumstances confirming the WISDOM of this have NOT changed from those prevailing in the Abbasid period of repression. If anything, violent and ignorant threats exist on more fronts than EVER today.
So while "names" can be floated by you, tell me truly what is the POINT....To provide an excuse for mockery?
Re: IMAM
Bro M.F. ASAK
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I agree with you. Now who do you think should be interpreting Quran for you?
Does he have name?
I would love to know his name.
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Do u mean u agree to the concept that Quran should be interpreted only by the real authority??
Let's zero down to the names later..first the concept should be agreed upon!!
If u say u are agreeing to the concept then pl. read your previous posts (2001) again and then reconfirm whether u still agree with what you have said.
was salaam
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I agree with you. Now who do you think should be interpreting Quran for you?
Does he have name?
I would love to know his name.
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Do u mean u agree to the concept that Quran should be interpreted only by the real authority??
Let's zero down to the names later..first the concept should be agreed upon!!
If u say u are agreeing to the concept then pl. read your previous posts (2001) again and then reconfirm whether u still agree with what you have said.
was salaam
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Br.uni,
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you asked
As far as I am concerned Qur'an should be interpreted by Scholars.
If it is real authority, then who is one for Twelvers.
Is Aga kahn is Scholar of Qur'an?
Where do Bohra go for interpretation?
I am perfectly happy with Printed Tafsirs.
Wasalaam
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Br.uni,
AS
you asked
I see a trap.Do u mean u agree to the concept that Quran should be interpreted only by the real authority??
As far as I am concerned Qur'an should be interpreted by Scholars.
If it is real authority, then who is one for Twelvers.
Is Aga kahn is Scholar of Qur'an?
Where do Bohra go for interpretation?
I am perfectly happy with Printed Tafsirs.
Wasalaam
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Re: IMAM
Bro M.F.
And who according to you are these scholars..
In what way they are superior/better than others.
Tafsirs can be different according to two different scholars..They may contradict themselves.
In such a case you will follow the one who may sound confortable to you based on his background which happen to be similar to your belief.
In this way dont you think there can be an err... But many may argue that Allah guides...
For the real time situations (masails), where will you go.. Probably to some scholar whom you have access.. what is the probability that the solution he offers to your question is correct..
To make it more clear, put some question to a group of well known scholars from among say the different madhabs of the sunnis :
Example :1) In which direction one should pray if he is on the moon
2)If a person is in such a place where it is continuous night (poles) how does he determine the prayer timings.
You will get different answers to each of these questions and your taking the right one is only a chance..
Quran is the same but different interpretations by different scholars will be the outcome..
was salaam
And who according to you are these scholars..
In what way they are superior/better than others.
Tafsirs can be different according to two different scholars..They may contradict themselves.
In such a case you will follow the one who may sound confortable to you based on his background which happen to be similar to your belief.
In this way dont you think there can be an err... But many may argue that Allah guides...
For the real time situations (masails), where will you go.. Probably to some scholar whom you have access.. what is the probability that the solution he offers to your question is correct..
To make it more clear, put some question to a group of well known scholars from among say the different madhabs of the sunnis :
Example :1) In which direction one should pray if he is on the moon
2)If a person is in such a place where it is continuous night (poles) how does he determine the prayer timings.
You will get different answers to each of these questions and your taking the right one is only a chance..
Quran is the same but different interpretations by different scholars will be the outcome..
was salaam
Re: IMAM
My mother's view:
The meaning of the Quran is whatever the Dai says is its meaning. His speech, popularly known as "kalimaat nooraniyya", have the same status as the Quran. He is our "boltaa quran."
My view:
Quran is interpreted by 'scholars'. Dai is one of them. He is the only interpreter for the Bohras. I personally find his interpretation very simple to understand. Every ayat has the same meaning, more or less. The meaning is that "for aakhirat, you have to follow the Dai. The best way to follow him is to do pur josh maatam at every opportunity. That makes the Dai happy and the guarantees paradise."
The meaning of the Quran is whatever the Dai says is its meaning. His speech, popularly known as "kalimaat nooraniyya", have the same status as the Quran. He is our "boltaa quran."
My view:
Quran is interpreted by 'scholars'. Dai is one of them. He is the only interpreter for the Bohras. I personally find his interpretation very simple to understand. Every ayat has the same meaning, more or less. The meaning is that "for aakhirat, you have to follow the Dai. The best way to follow him is to do pur josh maatam at every opportunity. That makes the Dai happy and the guarantees paradise."
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Br. Uni.
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Let me first post answers to your questions on Qibla direction and prayer tiem. Go to moonsighting.com and you will fin answers on FAQ on both subjects. I wll copy and paste for you.
Question: At polar regions day and night are several months long, so how do Muslims fast and pray in those regions?
Answer: The answer is simpler than what you may think. Polar regions like Norway, Finland, and Alaska have areas where the sun stays below horizon for several months in winter, and stays above horizon for several months in summer. However, there comes a time in every day when the sun is at its highest point (Noon) and at lowest point (Midnight). At temperate latitudes, the highest point is visible but lowest point is below horizon. But at higher latitudes (Polar region, like Norway, Finland, and Alaska) the highest and lowest point occur below horizon in winter (meaning several months long night), and above horizon in summer when the sun never sets for several months. But we can calculate those two points and determine Prayer times around those two known times every day. Having determined the prayer times, the fasting time is already set.
For more information in Polar Regions read on: http://moonsighting.com/6monthdays.html
Question: How a person would find Qibla direction from another planet or from space?
( http://www.moonsighting.com/faq_qd.html#12 )
Answer: From another planet or in space, one would face a line in space that goes exactly above Ka'bah (This line is the one that connects Ka'bah to Bait-ul-Ma'moor in the heavens). By 3-D trigonometry, it can be calculated from any point in space, how to face such a line. Even on earth we face the same line, not the ka'bah itself.
You can get your questions answered from moonsighting.com since brother is Muslim and qualified in his field.
Question: And who according to you are these scholars?
I personally have no favorite scholar. My religious practice is very simple. I pray regularly, most of time promptly. I fast and give charity as required. I read and study Qur’an by myself whenever time permits. .Rest of the time I run a consulting engineering business and spend time with my family.
If I have question which is beyond my ability to research then I call couple of scholarly person whom I respect from our Islamic Center for guidance.
Question: What is the probability that the solution he offers to your question is correct?
I have been bleeds. I have not run into a situation where I have to question a fatwa offerd by a scholar.
I compare translations and tafsirs of Yusuf Ali, Picthall, Muhammad Asad, One by Al-Hilali and Khan, Tafsir Ibn Katheer, Tasfsir by Maudid and word by word translation by Darussalam. So far I have no problem understanding their explanations.
Wasalaam
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Br. Uni.
AS
Let me first post answers to your questions on Qibla direction and prayer tiem. Go to moonsighting.com and you will fin answers on FAQ on both subjects. I wll copy and paste for you.
Question: At polar regions day and night are several months long, so how do Muslims fast and pray in those regions?
Answer: The answer is simpler than what you may think. Polar regions like Norway, Finland, and Alaska have areas where the sun stays below horizon for several months in winter, and stays above horizon for several months in summer. However, there comes a time in every day when the sun is at its highest point (Noon) and at lowest point (Midnight). At temperate latitudes, the highest point is visible but lowest point is below horizon. But at higher latitudes (Polar region, like Norway, Finland, and Alaska) the highest and lowest point occur below horizon in winter (meaning several months long night), and above horizon in summer when the sun never sets for several months. But we can calculate those two points and determine Prayer times around those two known times every day. Having determined the prayer times, the fasting time is already set.
For more information in Polar Regions read on: http://moonsighting.com/6monthdays.html
Question: How a person would find Qibla direction from another planet or from space?
( http://www.moonsighting.com/faq_qd.html#12 )
Answer: From another planet or in space, one would face a line in space that goes exactly above Ka'bah (This line is the one that connects Ka'bah to Bait-ul-Ma'moor in the heavens). By 3-D trigonometry, it can be calculated from any point in space, how to face such a line. Even on earth we face the same line, not the ka'bah itself.
You can get your questions answered from moonsighting.com since brother is Muslim and qualified in his field.
Question: And who according to you are these scholars?
I personally have no favorite scholar. My religious practice is very simple. I pray regularly, most of time promptly. I fast and give charity as required. I read and study Qur’an by myself whenever time permits. .Rest of the time I run a consulting engineering business and spend time with my family.
If I have question which is beyond my ability to research then I call couple of scholarly person whom I respect from our Islamic Center for guidance.
Question: What is the probability that the solution he offers to your question is correct?
I have been bleeds. I have not run into a situation where I have to question a fatwa offerd by a scholar.
I compare translations and tafsirs of Yusuf Ali, Picthall, Muhammad Asad, One by Al-Hilali and Khan, Tafsir Ibn Katheer, Tasfsir by Maudid and word by word translation by Darussalam. So far I have no problem understanding their explanations.
Wasalaam
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Re: IMAM
Br. M.F.
ASAK
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At temperate latitudes, the highest point is visible but lowest point is below horizon. But at higher latitudes (Polar region, like Norway, Finland, and Alaska) the highest and lowest point occur below horizon in winter (meaning several months long night), and above horizon in summer when the sun never sets for several months. But we can CALCULATE those two points and determine Prayer times around those two known times every day. Having determined the prayer times, the fasting time is already set.
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Excellent explaination based on the research/scientific efforts in CALCULATING the timings etc.,
Can't the same CALCULATION be followed in finding the new moon for the Ramadan to begin Fasting and ending it, cause we know the movement of the moon down to a second.
This will save the ummah from a lot of confusion in following the religious duties like fasting etc.,
In my 30 years of life, i've seen some people fasting and some celbrating Eid on the same day and both happening to belong to the same city or cities very near to each other.
Kindly ponder on this more..
was salaam
ASAK
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At temperate latitudes, the highest point is visible but lowest point is below horizon. But at higher latitudes (Polar region, like Norway, Finland, and Alaska) the highest and lowest point occur below horizon in winter (meaning several months long night), and above horizon in summer when the sun never sets for several months. But we can CALCULATE those two points and determine Prayer times around those two known times every day. Having determined the prayer times, the fasting time is already set.
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Excellent explaination based on the research/scientific efforts in CALCULATING the timings etc.,
Can't the same CALCULATION be followed in finding the new moon for the Ramadan to begin Fasting and ending it, cause we know the movement of the moon down to a second.
This will save the ummah from a lot of confusion in following the religious duties like fasting etc.,
In my 30 years of life, i've seen some people fasting and some celbrating Eid on the same day and both happening to belong to the same city or cities very near to each other.
Kindly ponder on this more..
was salaam
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Dear Br. Uni.
Yes. There is Shura Counsil of North Amerca to wich all major Islamic councils belong. New moon cannot be declared just by calculations only. Callculations just help you when and where in USA moon will be visible. If new moon appears and is not visible then it is not a new month. As per Quranic injuctions moon must be seen as far as I know.
Things are better now. Most Mosques in USA declare Eid based on Shura Council rather then one based on their home country.
Other months do not matter since most of Muslims do not observe other minor Holidays. Many believe there are only two holidays (Two Eids).
My center waits for confirmation on internet site of ISNA.
In nutshell: Calculation yes but has to be confirmed by sighting.
Wasalaam
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Dear Br. Uni.
Yes. There is Shura Counsil of North Amerca to wich all major Islamic councils belong. New moon cannot be declared just by calculations only. Callculations just help you when and where in USA moon will be visible. If new moon appears and is not visible then it is not a new month. As per Quranic injuctions moon must be seen as far as I know.
Things are better now. Most Mosques in USA declare Eid based on Shura Council rather then one based on their home country.
Other months do not matter since most of Muslims do not observe other minor Holidays. Many believe there are only two holidays (Two Eids).
My center waits for confirmation on internet site of ISNA.
In nutshell: Calculation yes but has to be confirmed by sighting.
Wasalaam
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Re: IMAM
Br. Uni
You wrote;
I knw bacause I have been thru big arguments at our Islamic Center which wanted to adopt calculation method.
Calculation+Visual confirmation won the day.
Wasalaam
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You wrote;
Yes movement can be calculated but visibility depends on lot of other factors.cause we know the movement of the moon down to a second.
I knw bacause I have been thru big arguments at our Islamic Center which wanted to adopt calculation method.
Calculation+Visual confirmation won the day.
Wasalaam
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Re: IMAM
Dear Muslim First
The Bohri's on this board would be laughing at your comments. From childhood I have been told that " see these Muslims, they do not undersand the true meaning of the Quran and are therefore looking at the "batini" meaning of the Quran and are looking at the "batini" moon. The "haqiqi" or true moon is ofcourse the Moula/Dai.!!!!
Also the Bohra's have a fixed "misri" calender wherein evrything is predetermined. Probably the Bohra "qiyamah" will also come a day or two earlier that the "other muslims" qiyamah.
Regards
The Bohri's on this board would be laughing at your comments. From childhood I have been told that " see these Muslims, they do not undersand the true meaning of the Quran and are therefore looking at the "batini" meaning of the Quran and are looking at the "batini" moon. The "haqiqi" or true moon is ofcourse the Moula/Dai.!!!!
Also the Bohra's have a fixed "misri" calender wherein evrything is predetermined. Probably the Bohra "qiyamah" will also come a day or two earlier that the "other muslims" qiyamah.
Regards
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Br. Khan
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You probably meant Mainstream Muslims follow Zahiri meaning of Quran and are looking for Zahiri Moon.
Well truth of the matter is Islam is easy religion. Meaning of most of Ayat of Quran is easy to understand. There are some Ayat which are not easy to understand. Most of Muslims are not concerned by it. Roza, Namaaz, Zakat and Hujj beside Shahada are sufficient for them. So let these grave and saint worshippers laugh at them.
Wasalaam
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Br. Khan
AS
You probably meant Mainstream Muslims follow Zahiri meaning of Quran and are looking for Zahiri Moon.
Well truth of the matter is Islam is easy religion. Meaning of most of Ayat of Quran is easy to understand. There are some Ayat which are not easy to understand. Most of Muslims are not concerned by it. Roza, Namaaz, Zakat and Hujj beside Shahada are sufficient for them. So let these grave and saint worshippers laugh at them.
Wasalaam
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Br. Khan
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You probably meant Mainstream Muslims follow Zahiri meaning of Quran and are looking for Zahiri Moon.
Well truth of the matter is Islam is easy religion. Meaning of most of Ayat of Quran is easy to understand. There are some Ayat which are not easy to understand. Most of Muslims are not concerned by it. Roza, Namaaz, Zakat and Hujj beside Shahada are sufficient for them. So let these grave and saint worshippers laugh at them.
Wasalaam
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Br. Khan
AS
You probably meant Mainstream Muslims follow Zahiri meaning of Quran and are looking for Zahiri Moon.
Well truth of the matter is Islam is easy religion. Meaning of most of Ayat of Quran is easy to understand. There are some Ayat which are not easy to understand. Most of Muslims are not concerned by it. Roza, Namaaz, Zakat and Hujj beside Shahada are sufficient for them. So let these grave and saint worshippers laugh at them.
Wasalaam
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Re: IMAM
Don't you all think Bohra Theocracy has made things complicated to perpetuate their rule and power..??!! Yes, they have. Religion is easy and Islam has been made easy to follow, yet bohra leaders have made it difficult, batini, zahiri, haqqeqi qibla, aslee kabaa and all that stuff ... and to our utter surprise, Iman (and Dai ...!!!) are all pure ... and everthing points at them only as SOLE representative of God..!!!! (and I guess it is their Belief..) - so everything revolves around him. Is that Islam...??!!! No, certainly not.