Are the reformist on right track ?

[tahir]

Originally posted by mburhan:
Can Dr. Engineer, S. Insaf, the four permanent trustees or the Admin. please respond to our earlier queries and allegations re. Ikhwanus Safa Trust also posed in Mumbai Samachar?

The Progressives will lose all crediblities and goodwill gathered so far if the matters is NOT satisfactorily resolved. Put your money where your mouth is now.

Its funny...the thieves, pilfrers and exploiters whose way of living is pure theft are asking the progressives to explain an alleged fraud or malpractice.....I wonder if any kothari would come up with the modicum of explaination for all the loot the burhani mafia commits...so many allegations have gone shamelessly unanswered but still the bugger has the cheek to talk about credibility.

[mburhan]

Tahir:

Me a Kothari? Far from it. I am NOT a kothari but a "closet" Progressive for the past over 35 years, unfortunately due to my close Kothari family connections. If you want at least one concrete evidence, please refer to the author of following post on Bill S.13 on this website a few years ago.

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/issues/senate_1.htm

My whole intention of raising this issue was to get the explanation of the accusations posed in the national/regional Mumbai Samachar from the parties involved - from the horses mouth, so to say. Not all Progressive subscribe to the Bohra Chronicle. This webiste is little bit tardy on being current on publishing the up-to-date issues - perhaps rightly, due to marketing reasons. Now Mr. S. Insaf has explained that reasonably and satifactorily, the credibility of Dr. Engineer and his sincere colleagues is NOT in question. It never was.

Now that we have the explanations, I would invite the four permanent trustees to defend their respective positions here on this site, and if they cannot or fail to do so publicly , they should do the the honourable thing (that is if they still are honourable) and resign as they had previously committed but apparently broke their word.

If not, the world-wide Progreesive movement should exert enough public pressure on the Charity Commissioner/Government of India and get the permanent trustees dismissed legally.

I am sorry and apologize wholeheartedly if my legitimate query seemed as if I was tooting the Kothary horn. I was just being the "devil's advocate". Sorry, again if my intentions were misunderstood or misplaced.

Peace

Wassalam

[Admin]

This webiste is little bit tardy on being current on publishing the up-to-date issues - perhaps rightly, due to marketing reasons.

Right, we've not been up do date in publishing the Bohra Chronicle, and there are reasons for it. Our apologies. But we are not sure what you mean by "perhaps rightly, due to marketing reasons." An explanation would help.

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[tahir]

mburhan,
sorry I didnt follow ur earlier posts and took that message as an extention of what ezzoud wrote....its more to do with the attitude than the content.

[Humsafar]

These four rogue trustees are a classic case of sour grapes. They fell out with Asghar Ali Engineer basically out of envy. They all started together in the reform movement but soon Asghar Ali gained in popularity, and became a respected figure and was sought after by all and sundry. The rogue trustees, burning with jealousy, could not bear to be left behind. I'm sure Asghar Ali has his faults, who doesn't, but if the rogue trustees were sincere about the reform movement and were really committed to the cause they would have resolved the issues a long time ago. It's their petty egos and mean-mindedness that has prevented any resolution of the matter.

Also we must remember that these rogue trustees are businessmen with pretentions to leadership or scholarship for which they neither have/had the capacity nor the temprament. Nor the spirit of sacrifice that public service demands. They wanted the good life and the name and fame too. On the other hand, Asghar Ali sacrificed his family life, gave up his engineering career and decided to devote his life to the reform movement, the study of Islam and coummunal riots etc. There are rewards for choosing this kind of life but it also has its downside - primarily a lack of constant source of income which makes one dependent on funds from friends, organisations, NGOs etc. There's something to be said about the courage and conviction of the man who has suffered so much - he lives a very simple, frugal life; has suffered brutal attacks on his life and property - for the sake of fickle Bohras, the most self-centrred tribe on earth.

The rogue trustees have suffered none of this and yet lusted to be on par with social/scholarly status that Asghar Ali enjoys. They could not bear to see Asghar Ali's artilces and name published in the national press. They thought they were the rich and elite and therefore deserved the limelight - and took over the Trust in a fit of pique. An example will illustrate this: At one time the rogue trustees insisted that they too should share the byline with Asghar Ali when he wrote artilces, books etc. Why? Because the trust provided funds for stationery or some such thing for the reformist office. Now, you can't get more petty and/or ridiculous than that.

[ezzoud]

We have clarity of the situation in India - the authors of the above posts should be commended for the excellent articles and references.

Can somebody shed light on the internal workings of this 1986 UK Trust which allegedly has cash funds and assets in the region of £500,000 Britsh sterling. More worrryingly, another £150,000 British sterling was raised and collected at a UK conference in 2004 for development. However the monies have since been given to this 1986 Trust for 'safekeeping'.

Is there any accountablility for these undeniably vast amounts of monies that are being raised mainly within the affluent (but largely ignorant and seperated) reformists bohra communities in the UK ?

Furthermore, there is approx £3 million british sterling worth of assets from defunct Uganda jumaats which are allegedly being kept in the pockets of prominient reformists (via trusts) ?

Can anyone shed any light on the accountability and performance of these UK trusts and committees (which hold such awesome financial clout) ?

Are these groups actually progressing the reform movement ? In terms of unifying the reform movement in the UK, these trusts/committees are doing more harm.

[ezzoud]

Is there anybody who can shed any light on the distrubing financial situation and possible finanacial corruption described above within the reform movement outside of India ?

[accountability]

har shakh pe ullo betha hai
anjam e gulistan kiya ho ga

[S. Insaf]

The expenses of the Bohra Chronicle which are arround 35 rupees per month is subtaincially financed by 1986 Dawoodi Bohra Trust.
The trust has also contributed for construction of building of reformist's center at Malegaon.
I do not know the other activities of the trust but the following advertisement by the trust rgularly appears in the Bohra Chronicle:
1986 BOHRA REFORMIST TRUST
Registered office: 18 Limes Avenue London N12 8QN UK - Registered charity No 298730
* The 1986 Bohra Reformist Trust is a UK Registered charitable organisation.
* Its objectives are to promote religious education and to support the Reform movement in the Dawoodi Bohra Community.
* Applications are invited from Reformist Dawoodi Bohra Organisations for financial assistance in pursuance of the above objectives.
* Applications should include as much information as possible of the applying organisation and give full details of the project and its objectives.

Please apply to: 1986 BRT
9 Anstruther Road
Edgbaston
Birmingham B15 3NN UK
And I know a recent incident when an article appeared in the Bohra Chronicle about Sir Adamji Peerbhoy Educational and welfare trust needing finance for Sir Adamji Peerbhoy English School in Mumbai - the trust had offered immediate immediate help.
I request some one from the trust in Uk to throw more light on the activities of the trust.

[ezzoud]

Is there any information from any UK representatives to clarify the concerns raised above or is this the wrong platform for such queries ?

[ezzoud]

With such vast amounts of Financial monies at stake, Can somebodies please clarify as requested above ?

Salaams Ezzoud

[ezzoud]

Originally posted by ezzoud:
We have clarity of the situation in India - the authors of the above posts should be commended for the excellent articles and references.

Can somebody shed light on the internal workings of this 1986 UK Trust which allegedly has cash funds and assets in the region of £500,000 Britsh sterling. More worrryingly, another £150,000 British sterling was raised and collected at a UK conference in 2004 for development. However the monies have since been given to this 1986 Trust for 'safekeeping'.

Is there any accountablility for these undeniably vast amounts of monies that are being raised mainly within the affluent (but largely ignorant and seperated) reformists bohra communities in the UK ?

Furthermore, there is approx £3 million british sterling worth of assets from defunct Uganda jumaats which are allegedly being kept in the pockets of prominient reformists (via trusts) ?

Can anyone shed any light on the accountability and performance of these UK trusts and committees (which hold such awesome financial clout) ?

Are these groups actually progressing the reform movement ? In terms of unifying the reform movement in the UK, these trusts/committees are doing more harm.

Please advise. Salaams Ezzoud

[ezzoud]

http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/cgi-bin/U ... 1;t=001607

Please see the above. These answering of such questions as per the above link are fundamental in ensuring the reformist movement remains ethically and morally sound.

Unfortunately as there remains such a cloak and dagger leadership style within the financially strong UK reform movement, can we honestly say the the reform movement is any better than the organisation we are supposed to be reforming against ?

[tahir]

Originally posted by ezzoud:
can we honestly say the the reform movement is any better than the organisation we are supposed to be reforming against ?

So you think that mismanagement of funds is our only issue with the organisation we are supposed to be reforming against ?

[ezzoud]

Originally posted by tahir:

Originally posted by ezzoud:
can we honestly say the the reform movement is any better than the organisation we are supposed to be reforming against ?

So you think that mismanagement of funds is our only issue with the organisation we are supposed to be reforming against ?

No. There is a wealth of information available on the Bohra reformist movement and its ideologies and beliefs on this website. I suggest you take time out to read about these and you will understand more about the cause of the reform movement.

Ultimately, whether you are a Non-Kothar or Kothar follower, Buisness (and therefore Finance) play an integral part of any Bohra Community. It is vital that there is transparency and progression within any community in the world for these two important aspects. The UK reform movement has been regressive and requires complete re-organisation due to the destructive nature of these asset sucking Trusts such as the 1986 BRT.

How this happens is not going to be easy, but is crucial for (worldwide) reformist activities. This is largely due to the level of financial clout the UK reform movement is capable of.

Salaams Ezzoud

[ezzoud]

The questions which need to be answered are detailed in the below thread:

http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/cgi-bin/U ... 1;t=001643

Can the responsible parties please advise.