Bohra Ramzan -2015 and related topics

[seeker110]

Just like his father, the 100 year birthday boy.

[ghulam muhammed]

"MOBILELIGHT" IFTAARI AT KARACHI

[Admin]

We received this email:
Email address: withheld
Subject: disrespect within our community
Message: Yesterday was Lailatul Qadr and as everybidy knows we have to go to Masjid to pray. A person named Mr Khozeema Cherrawalla did not allow my mother for attending namaz. As my mother had a surjery she couldnt go to the masjid for these days but for Lailatul Qadr she made an effort to go because she with allot of pain wanted to pray with the Bhaisaab. Mr Cherrawala did not let my mother pray as he asked my mother to pay 1000Rs for a chair space that is for the whole month and said either pay or not needed to come. Please tell me is it required to pay to pray namaz. Why is our community become so money minded why is namaz the second priority to money.

[anajmi]

Why dont you reapond and tell them to ask their morela morela mufaddal morela instead of sending an email to this website?

[SBM]

Admin
The person who sent the email should atleast reveal which Jamaat it was? All these people want to use some one else's shoulder to fire the gun why can't they do themselves, how cowardice?

[anajmi]

Better still you can give them the address of the progressive jamat mosque for next year where they can pray free of charge.

[SBM]

^

[ghulam muhammed]

watsup msg

Forwarded as Received :

A shocking incident was as awaiting me on Lailatul Qadr. Iam a resident of Bangalore and like every mumin was excited about offering Salah on this auspicious night. The Janaab saab was punctual and arrived at sharp 10.30 pm and upon his arrival suddenly things started to move which were until now quite standstill. Table white cloth knife was been rushed near the Imamat space.... Suddenly from behind appeared a 3 tier cake.I was like pinching myself... Am I in for Lailatul Qadr or someones birthday bash ? The only thing missing was a birthday rhyme.

Cake was cut in MASJID before Namaz and sounds of Allahu Akbar were converted to MOLA MUBARAK. Later the janab also promised everyone that cake barakat will be shared. I was bestowed.

Few thoughts pondered over my shocked yet stable mind. That day is not far when a birthday bash would be planned in Masjid before Lailatul Qadr and people would shake their bootys as well for Barakat. Where is Islam going ???

Iam sure in coming years Lailatul Qadr will be more emphasised as ALI QADR NIGHT rather then Allah's ibaadat night.

And the icing on the cake was Laanat to Dawedaar as usual !!

[SBM]

Surprisingly missing from the action YOGA EXERCISE after eating cake

[babdeen]

After launching a parallel dawat and promising reforms, today Fatemi dawat sent out the attached to collect
Zakaat, Khumus, Vajebat etc. A few months ago, Fatemi promised all dues to be voluntary. Our efforts for
them to commit to a local community based funds management have gone unanswered.

The attached email now shows an effort by Fatemi to collect as much money as possible and continue looting
Bohras in competition with Muffadal branch. Obviously, they want to continue the looting tradition of their ancestors
Saifuddin and Burhanuddin. This is very unfortunate as Fatemi have squandered the chance to reform kothar and serve
the community. No Syedna before these guys had collected all these wajbaats and zakats by themselves only and all
collected funds were managed by community leaders. So, lets not fall for their lies about only they can collect and
provide no accounting.

Zakaat: Fatemi claim only Syedna can collect zakat. Any other zakaat is not valid. This is a lie.They
claim zakat can be used for defense of dawat, social jamans, and dawat administration (wrong again).

Khumus: fatemi claim this is mandated by Quran and only Dai can collect. This is 20% of your income.
Fatemi site a passage from Quran which is about loot of war as justification for Khumus. This is bogus
and it does snot apply to income. It s a shame they are using wrong context to loot the community.

They also list other mandatory Vajebaats below. With no accounting systems, this is simply a parallel
scam by the members of the same family. Obviously, looting poor Bohras in the name of the religion
runs in their veins.

Do not send them any money to Fatemi or Mufaddal. They do not have monopoly on religion.

It's time for Bohra Spring! Let's unite into a Bohra community which follows true Islam and takes care of poor and needy amongst us.

Please forward this widely.

>>>>>>>>>>> From Fatemi web site:

1436H Zakaat/Vajebaat Form and Vajebaat araz instructions
Sawaab and Significance
Collection and Distribution
Zakaat is valid only when given in the hands of the Haqq na Saheb of each age, namely, Imam-uz-zamaan, and in his satar, Dai-z-zamaan. As Syedna Qadi al-Nu’man explains at length, Allah does not accept the zakaat of a person who offers it to someone other than Haqq na Saheb. Unlike voluntary alms or sadaqa which one can give at will, zakaat must be offered in the Imam’s satar to the Dai-z-zamaan, or one who is designated by him, in order to be valid.
It is the duty of the Dai—as the na’ib of Rasulullah’s shehzada Imam-uz-zamaan—to collect and distribute zakaat. Allah Ta’ala commanded Rasulullah to collect zakaat in this verse:
خُذْ مِنْ أَمْوَالِهِمْ صَدَقَةً تُطَهِّرُهُمْ وَتُزَكِّيهِمْ بِهَا وَصَلِّ عَلَيْهِمْ إِنَّ صَلَٰوتَك سَكَنٌ لَّهُمْ وَٱللَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ ۝

“Take part of their wealth as zakaat, cleansing them thereby and causing them to grow in purity, and pray for them. Your prayer gives them comfort. God is all-hearing, all-knowing.”
(Tawba 103)
Rasulullah used to personally accept zakaat from those who came to his hazrat, and he used to send zakaat collectors to different towns to collect zakaat annually on his behalf.
Zakaat has deep significance. One of its important functions is sustaining the community. Islam emphasizes social awareness and charity. Through the institution of compulsory zakaat, Islam makes the wealthy in the community responsible for assisting the needy.
In one important verse, the Qur’an names eight recipients of zakaat:
إِنَّمَا ٱلصَّدَقَاتُ لِلْفُقَرَآءِ وَٱلْمَسَاكِينِ وَٱلْعَامِلِينَ عَلَيْهَا وَٱلْمُؤَلَّفَةِ قُلُوبُهُمْ وَفِي ٱلرِّقَابِ وَٱلْغَارِمِينَ وَفِي سَبِيلِ ٱللَّهِ وَٱبْنِ ٱلسَّبِيلِ فَرِيضَةً مِّنَ ٱللَّهِ وَٱللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ ۝

“Zakaat is for the poor, the destitute, its administrators, those whose hearts are to be won over, freeing from bondage, helping those overburdened with debts, in Allah’s cause, and the wayfarer. This is Allah’s mandate. Allah is all-knowing, wise.”
(Tawba 60)
Moreover, zakaat, along with other vaajebaat, is important for supporting Dawat activities, including masjids and majlises, sabaq, wa’az and dissemination of knowledge, administrative costs, defense of Dawat, mazaars and qabrastans, and jamans where mumineen engage with each other.
Basis for Calculating Zakaat and Vajebaat
Rules for calculating zakaat are derived from the Qur’an, Rasulullah’s sunnat and hadith, pronouncements and practice of Maulana Ali and the Fatemi Imams, and in their satar, their Dais.
Just as the Quran commanded mumineen to pray namaaz and Rasulullah showed them which namaaz to pray, when to pray, and how to pray (thus 5 faraz per day, not arbitrarily 2, 6 or 20)—similarily in zakaat, Rasulullah showed mumineen how much is vaajeb, it is not a figure randomly assigned. Only if zakaat (like namaaz) is done the way Rasulullah showed us does it count.
These rules are presented in detail by Moiz Imam’s Chief Qadi, Syedna Qadi al-Numan, in his various kitaabs, including Da’a’im al-Islam دعائم الإسلام (vol. 1, pp. 297-326), Mukhtasar al-Aasaar مختصر الآثار , and Kitab al-Himmah كتاب الهمة (pp. 61-76). They are further explained by the Satar Dais through the ages, as new modes of income and finances evolve, in various kitaabs, including al-Hawaashi الحواشي , Masa’il Syedi Aminji bin Jalal مسائل سيدي امينجي بن جلال , and Majmu’ Masa’il al-Fiqh مجموع مسائل الفقه . Syedna Taher Saifuddin further presented several fiqh mas’alat-s in Risalats رسالةand recorded verbal answers.
These zakaat and vajebaat calculation rules as they apply to our zamaan are presented here with the raza of the 53rd Dai-l-Mutlaq Syedna Khuzaima Qutbuddin TUS—our Dai-z-zamaan, our Haadi and Rehbar, who guides us to Rasulullah’s Shariat and the Straight Path, the one who was prepared for this high role by the 51st and 52nd Dais.
Calculating Zakaat
Zakaat is compulsory every year @ 2.5% (1/40th) of your income and certain liquid assets (plus a one time zakaat on fixed assets), minus basic living expenses: this is your “zakaat-wajib” – zakaatable amount.
Zakatable amount includes:
Fixed assets (which include land, buildings, shares and equipment) are zakatable just once at the time of the initial purchase, and not every year. If you have already paid zakaat on the money used to buy the fixed asset, you do not need to pay it again at the time of purchase. The realized gains/ losses on the sale of the fixed assets are Zakatable income, and not on the unrealized gain. Fixed assets for personal use rather than investment are excluded; e.g., the house you live in is not zakatable.
To calculate Zakaat on stocks:
In the context of Zakaat, stocks are considered fixed assets.
In accordance with the rule for fixed assets, Zakaat must be paid one time only based on the cost basis of the stock portfolio. If you have already paid Zakaat on that money, i.e., if you used part of your Zakated income to invest in stocks, you do not need to pay it again.
Only the realized gains of the stock portfolio are Zakatable income, and not on the unrealized gain. This is calculated by adding all your realized gains and losses of the year.
Liquid assets include all cash and savings and total value of your business’s inventory of goods (if its value has remained stable or risen in the last year, and not if its value has depreciated).
Income also includes salary, net business profit, rent on all investment properties, dividends, royalties, etc.
The final consolidated annual Zakatable income is calculated by taking the net value of (1) Total purchase cost (if applicable) of all fixed assets PLUS (2) total net realized gain of all fixed assets (including stocks) for the year PLUS (3) liquid assets PLUS (4) income MINUS (5) basic living expenses (which includes food, rent, clothing, and utilities)
If your income and liquid assets are at or below “nisaab” or subsistence level (i.e. they do not, or just, cover basic food, shelter and clothing), you do not owe any zakaat. But you should still araz a nominal amount for barakat. Rasulullah SA said: “If you are hit by poverty, transact [for your rizq] with Allah by giving Him zakaat.”
Mumineen cannot be denied the right to araz zakaat, citing other wrongdoings.
Khumus
In addition to zakaat, there are a number of additional vajebaat that are also mandated by Allah Ta’ala in the Qur’an, and by Rasulullah SA, Maulana Ali SA, our Imams and our Du’aat, and which garner azeem sawaab for those who offer them abundantly and wholeheartedly as per their capacity. These are:
1) Khumus, literally the “fifth” share of your income (thus @ 20%), is to be offered annually to Haqq na saheb with zakaat. Allah Ta’ala mandates khumus in the Qur’an:
وَٱعْلَمُوۤا أَنَّمَا غَنِمْتُمْ مِّن شَيْءٍ فَأَنَّ لِلَّهِ خُمُسَهُ وَلِلرَّسُولِ وَلِذِي ٱلْقُرْبَىٰ وَٱلْيَتَامَىٰ وَٱلْمَسَاكِينِ وَٱبْنِ ٱلسَّبِيلِ إِن كُنتُمْ آمَنْتُمْ بِٱللَّهِ وَمَآ أَنزَلْنَا عَلَىٰ عَبْدِنَا يَوْمَ ٱلْفُرْقَانِ يَوْمَ ٱلْتَقَى ٱلْجَمْعَانِ وَٱللَّهُ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَيْءٍ قَدِيرٌ۝

"Know that whatever you take as spoils of war (ghaneemat), lo! a fifth (khumus) thereof is for Allah, and for the Messenger and for the kinsman and orphans and the needy and the wayfarer…"
(al-Anfal 41)
Syedna Qadi al-Numan explains that “the Imams [and Dais] strictly enforce the payment of zakaat … because it is Allah’s right, Khuda no haqq … but they do not compel people to pay [full] khumus because it is their own right, and therefore they can choose to enforce it strictly or be flexible …” (Kitab al-Himmah, p. 67)
Waajib toh ghanu chhe; jitnu bani sakey itnu zyadah si zyadah adaa karo, toh sawaab itnu zyadah milsey
Syedna Qadi al-Numan explains the purpose and significance of khumus in his Kitab al-Himmah (pp. 65-67) as follows:
“Allah Ta’ala made His Messenger and the Imams from his Ahle Bayt His trustees who are charged with collecting and distributing zakaat, and Allah forbade them to use any of it for their personal needs and the needs of their family members …
Instead, Allah Ta’ala mandated for Ahle Bayt the right to receive khumus. He mandated it for them from the wealth (maal) of His servants once, not like zakaat which is payable recurrently on it every year …
It is waajib on all mumineen to araz, along with their zakaat, the khumus of their ghaneemat wealth in every era to the Imam of that Age … [and in the Imam’s satar, to his Dai]. ‘Ghaneemat’ is not just spoils of war; rather, everything that a person earns is ‘ghaneemat’."
Ja’far us Sadiq Imam said:
"Allah Ta’ala has mandated for us khumus from the wealth of His servants, the mumineen, and He has made it our right and due. Whosoever withholds our right from us, whosoever holds back our share of his wealth, will have no share or right from Allah."
Other Vajebaat: Discretionary amounts are mandated for the following additional vajebaat
Fitra (Zakaat-ul-fitr) is compulsory on every individual person in the family, and must be araz-ed before Eid ul Fitr in order for your rozas to count. It is the only form of vajebaat which is mandated even upon the poor. The head of each household should pay Fitra on behalf of all his family members and servants.
During Rasullah’s time, zakaat ul fitr was calculated each year at the equivalent value of one kilogram (“ṣāʿ”) of wheat or barley or dates or raisins. Then the Fatemi Imams fixed the rate of the Fitra to the price of silver @ 1 and 1/6th dirhams (3.471 grams) of pure silver per individual. In Ramadan 1435H, the cash value of 3.471 grams of silver is INR Rs. 127.00, US $1.77, GB £1.32.
Haqq-un-nafs: offered to Haqq na saheb on behalf of a deceased mumin or mumina by their family members for the sawaab of their soul (nafs). Mumineen may also araz amounts of Haqq-un-nafs for the sawaab of their own soul. Haqq-un-nafs is calculated in multiples of 119 (e.g. Rs. 119 times 10 is Rs. 1190; $ 0.119 times 200 is $ 23.80; GB £119 times 1 is £119).
Kaffaarat-uz-zunoob: offered in atonement for gunaah (zunoob); a nominal amount is offered annually, and specific amounts for specific gunaah when relevant.
Kaffaarat for farizat rozas missed in last year’s Ramadan (due to illness, travel, or women’s missed days). It is calculable per day at the equivalent rate in your country of half a kilogram (“ṣāʿ”) of grain.
(Monetary) Mannat: a monetary pledge for fulfilment of an aspiration, which is offered annually with zakaat and at individual occasions.
Nazr ul maqaam AS: a monetary mannat or pledge dedicated to Imam-uz-zamaan for fulfilment of an aspiration or ummeed, offered annually with zakaat and at individual occasions.
Najwa: salaam for Dai and maratib offered annually with zakaat and at individual occasions of your choice. Allah Ta’ala says in the Quran:
يٰأَيُّهَا ٱلَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ إِذَا نَاجَيْتُمُ ٱلرَّسُولَ فَقَدِّمُواْ بَيْنَ يَدَيْ نَجْوَاكُمْ صَدَقَةً ذَلِكَ خَيْرٌ لَّكُمْ وَأَطْهَرُ فَإِن لَّمْ تَجِدُواْ فَإِنَّ ٱللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَّحِيمٌ ۝

“O you who believe! When you come to Rasulullah, offer him Najwa. That is better and purer for you. But if you cannot find the wherewithal then lo! Allah is forgiving, merciful.”
(Mujadala 12)
It is narrated that when this verse was revealed, Maulana Ali was the first to offer Najwa; he went forthwith to Rasulullah and did salaam of one dirham, and he continued to do so thenceforth (This incident is narrated even in Sunni texts, such as Wahidi’s Asbab un Nuzool and Askari’s Kitaab al Awa’il).
Sila/Silat (Silat-ul-Imam): salaam for Imam-uz-zamaan AS, offered annually with zakaat, and at Eids and other holy occasions. Muhammad ul Baqir Imam said: “Whosoever lives a year without offering us a large or small amount of Silat from his wealth, Allah will not look at him on Judgment Day. Silat is a farizat which Allah has mandated for us upon our Shia in the Quran: You will not obtain any good, until you spend of the wealth that you hold dear [for Silat].” (Da’a’im ul Islam, vol. 1, p. 97).

[ghulam muhammed]

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Bohra students being punished by school authorities for bunking school the day after Lailatul Qadr has now taken a political colour and given enough fodder to the local Muslim Ex-MLA, Yusuf Abhrani who has decided to take action against Sister Louisa, principal of St. Agnes High School by requesting muslim parents and students to join a Morcha which he plans to stage at 3pm on Monday, 13th July.

[suleman]

Which country, city this school is???

[Al-Noor]

Agree with you completely there is no provision in ISLAM that only particualr person has rights to collect Zakat, also there is no provision in ISLAM for khums (we are no in war and we dont get any war booty any more).

Zakat can be directly handed over to needy specially the first haq of zakat are your own close relatives who are struggling to manage their financial affairs. I knew KQ wont be any different unless he give up his dai mutlaq title and accept that he is just a community leader and also accept that MB and TS really goofed up in dawat in last 200 years.

[Al-Noor]

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Bohra students being punished by school authorities for bunking school the day after Lailatul Qadr has now taken a political colour and given enough fodder to the local Muslim Ex-MLA, Yusuf Abhrani who has decided to take action against Sister Louisa, principal of St. Agnes High School by requesting muslim parents and students to join a Morcha which he plans to stage at 3pm on Monday, 13th July.

parents should have asked for permission in advance...

[allbird]

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Forwarded as Received :

A shocking incident was as awaiting me on Lailatul Qadr. Iam a resident of Bangalore and like every mumin was excited about offering Salah on this auspicious night. The Janaab saab was punctual and arrived at sharp 10.30 pm and upon his arrival suddenly things started to move which were until now quite standstill. Table white cloth knife was been rushed near the Imamat space.... Suddenly from behind appeared a 3 tier cake.I was like pinching myself... Am I in for Lailatul Qadr or someones birthday bash ? The only thing missing was a birthday rhyme.

Cake was cut in MASJID before Namaz and sounds of Allahu Akbar were converted to MOLA MUBARAK. Later the janab also promised everyone that cake barakat will be shared. I was bestowed.

Few thoughts pondered over my shocked yet stable mind. That day is not far when a birthday bash would be planned in Masjid before Lailatul Qadr and people would shake their bootys as well for Barakat. Where is Islam going ???

Iam sure in coming years Lailatul Qadr will be more emphasised as ALI QADR NIGHT rather then Allah's ibaadat night.

And the icing on the cake was Laanat to Dawedaar as usual !!

[confusedlady123]

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Bohra students being punished by school authorities for bunking school the day after Lailatul Qadr has now taken a political colour and given enough fodder to the local Muslim Ex-MLA, Yusuf Abhrani who has decided to take action against Sister Louisa, principal of St. Agnes High School by requesting muslim parents and students to join a Morcha which he plans to stage at 3pm on Monday, 13th July.

Even if parents would have taken permission , the principal would never have allowed them to take aholiday.
There is one more convent school in Byculla area where the principal keeps a misri calandar on her desk . She plans tests and exams the same time whenever there a miqaat marked in
red. The principal is anti - bohra. And if the students fail to turn up she cuts mark. And also punishes them by making them stand in the courtyard.

One muslim girl used to wear a black burqa to school over her uniform.
which she would remove on entering the school premises. Once the sister saw her and questioned her that "what is this black thing that u are wearing". The gutsy girl replied "the same thing that u are wearing. (Pointing to the sister's habit).
This infuriated the sister and she made her apologise in writing.
This burqa episode happened when I was in school.

[Bohra spring]

This is an absolute blunder, they have just shot themselves in the foot. STS decendents need public flogging.

They are miles away from any victory, there is outcry of corruption and they could not hold back on taxing their new recruits. This is where Allah also does not help those who are not of the straight path. Common sense they should have setup a transparent distribution of zakat frame work to convince people the recipients of the alms. but instead they went straight to their haqq.

Well their haqq is nothing, it is our haqq to consider or not to be our guides in Islam.

The selective manipulation of Quran ayats to justify their desires ,and then calling war booty an income is just one conspiracy after another.

[qjbj]

I don't think it's a blunder. They are laying out exactly how one should calculate their Zakat and other dues for a practicing bhora. This level of details was never provided before. There is no force to pay like in the MS system enforced by his goonda Amils.

[Al-Noor]

I don't think it's a blunder. They are laying out exactly how one should calculate their Zakat and other dues for a practicing bhora. This level of details was never provided before. There is no force to pay like in the MS system enforced by his goonda Amils.

the way they have included Quran into this shows they want to blackmail and say if you don't pay you are going to hell look what Quran says and look we are the people of authority to collect money, while the truth is they have no Authority to collect money specially khums until Imam him self comes back. they have no rights to collect any money.

[AgnosticIndian]

What's so surprising? Both sides fighting for the same legacy & inheritance #DawatProperties #Abdes

Last year too they put this up IIRC.

[ghulam muhammed]

Which country, city this school is???

Its girls school in Byculla area of Mumbai city. Its considered to be one of the top most girls schools of Mumbai.

[dal-chaval-palidu]

I don't think it's a blunder. They are laying out exactly how one should calculate their Zakat and other dues for a practicing bhora. This level of details was never provided before. There is no force to pay like in the MS system enforced by his goonda Amils.

I agree with qjbj. They have outlined clearly how zakat is to be calculated. And there is no force. In fact, it can even help people of SMS side estimate at least what is their wajib (compulsory) zakat.

Telling people how much is their zakat is a helpful thing. And people can (if they want) ignore their suggestion that it has to be paid to them only, and give to other valid causes.

[seeker110]

The intentions are noble just the timing is off. This family has a clean record, all looteras.

[alam]

You can use the fatemidawat provided vajebaat calculations and compare that to what you are being told how to calculate (if that's even happening in any systematic way) by your Amil or what's preached by latest fatwa from SMS toli.

It's not all black and white between SKQ and SMS. Changing the culture of organizations takes time.
Pobody is nerfect. Not SKQ nor SMS nor the reformist/progressive nor any humans. Expecting an organization to be nerfect is setting yourself up for hopelessness.

I don't expect SKQ in his lifetime would ever change the central doctrine of faith he inherited from STS AND SMB. In that respect, SMS toli takes the prize in changing the doctrine of rasullallahs deen e Islam and modern Bohra faith by downplaying Misaaq itself, among a few other things.

[Bohra spring]

You can use the fatemidawat provided vajebaat calculations and compare that to what you are being told how to calculate (if that's even happening in any systematic way) by your Amil or what's preached by latest fatwa from SMS toli.

It's not all black and white between SKQ and SMS. Changing the culture of organizations takes time.
Pobody is nerfect. Not SKQ nor SMS nor the reformist/progressive nor any humans. Expecting an organization to be nerfect is setting yourself up for hopelessness.

I don't expect SKQ in his lifetime would ever change the central doctrine of faith he inherited from STS AND SMB. In that respect, SMS toli takes the prize in changing the doctrine of rasullallahs deen e Islam and modern Bohra faith by downplaying Misaaq itself, among a few other things.

Brother Alam I understand there is no perfect human, however I am concerned if we are compromising to a lesser evil or the beer of the two, The better option is to start from basic , let us keep our faith simple , start with the Quran, that is perfect.

We need to keep pressure on SKQ not to succumb to taking us down the SMB and STS path regardless of the emotional and family connection

“When it is said to them: “Follow what Allah has sent down.” They say: “Nay! We shall follow what we found our fathers following.” (Would they do that!) even though their fathers did not understand anything nor were they guided.”Surah Al-Baqarah (2:170)

[Biradar]

We need to keep pressure on SKQ not to succumb to taking us down the SMB and STS path regardless of the emotional and family connection

Pray tell how will you do that? What do you have to offer the Fatmidawaat movement that they will "succumb" to your pressure? My friend, don't get carried away. You, as everyone on this forum, are an anonymous person. You in particular have almost zero knowledge about Islam and Ismailism, yet you think you can "keep pressure" on S. Qutbuddin! I mean, get real my friend. Your effectiveness is near zero. If you want to be effective, you must join the movement first. You can't do anything from outside, unless, of course, you are such an incisive thinker that people will be immediately compelled to change their minds on reading your analysis. Sadly, your contributions here pretty much show that is not going to happen.

Coming to the question of zakaat. In large part I agree with the analysis provided by the Fatimidawat people. The question one must ask is who is the audience of the Quranic verses on zakaat? Is it an ordinary believer? Or is it the prophet? It is very likely that it is the latter. Hence, the prophet and his representatives are the one who should collect zakaat and spend it in the Quran stipulated manner. Now, in some situation you can do this yourself. However, to maintain a community and use funds effectively, pooling of resources is required. Traditionally, Imams and da'is have collected zakaat from their followers. This is not unusual and in fact, is the proper thing to do.

Now, I strongly disagree with Fatemidawat on the question of Khumus. They define "ganimaat" as any income, including salary. This is jut untenable and wrong. However, I should point out that many Shia groups define ganimaat as profits on business and sudden gains, like payoff from shares etc. That is more reasonable interpretation, but I would disagree with that too. The original intention of Khumus was to allow the various campaigns and raise an army to fight them. The possibility of an Ismaili state is remote, and in any case the governments provide large amount of services, based on taxes. Hence, this concept of Khumus is wrong.

One unique thing about the Fatemidawat is that you can set the khumus amount or any other to zero. So, if you have any objections to any line item, set it to zero. There is no pressure or force. I like this level of transparency and openness.

But again, if you want, you can give your zakaat contribution yourself to anyone you like. Many people like this transparency and it is 100x better than the coercive and illegal system setup by the Kotharis.

[confusedlady123]

Hatemi masjid na Aamil Shk Mustafa Godhrawala said that vajebaat nd silah fitra are compulsory.
If anyone has financial problem then another moominbhai can help him.
He said ke faqeer ne paisa aapwa na badal ma koi moomin bhai ne aapi dau.
He is comparing moomin with faqeer.
He also said that if anyone fails to payup by 29th then on the 30th of Ramzan he will publicly announce their names.
The whole of Ramazan he has not said a word in praise of Allah swt. Or namaaz or importance of these days.
He has only stressed on "paisa apo... paisa apo... paisa apo"
Allah bachave aava Aamil sii!

[Al-Noor]

Hatemi masjid na Aamil Shk Mustafa Godhrawala said that vajebaat nd silah fitra are compulsory.
If anyone has financial problem then another moominbhai can help him.
He said ke faqeer ne paisa aapwa na badal ma koi moomin bhai ne aapi dau.
He is comparing moomin with faqeer.
He also said that if anyone fails to payup by 29th then on the 30th of Ramzan he will publicly announce their names.
The whole of Ramazan he has not said a word in praise of Allah swt. Or namaaz or importance of these days.
He has only stressed on "paisa apo... paisa apo... paisa apo"
Allah bachave aava Aamil sii!

Allah nai bacchawe, agar bachwu hoi to do efforts fro your own side, start praying at home and start spreading awareness, start from your own house.

[anajmi]

The question one must ask is who is the audience of the Quranic verses on zakaat? Is it an ordinary believer? Or is it the prophet? It is very likely that it is the latter.

Actually, there is no need to ask this question. In surah Al Anfal Allah clearly states that it is the right of the prophet (saw) and Allah himself. So if the recipient were to be the prophet (saw) for zakaat as well, it would've been clearly stated too.

Infact the bohra leaders who claim that only they should receive your zakat should be avoided at all cost as your zakat is most certainly going to line their pockets.

[Bohra spring]

Pray tell how will you do that? What do you have to offer the Fatmidawaat movement that they will "succumb" to your pressure? My friend, don't get carried away. You, as everyone on this forum, are an anonymous person. You in particular have almost zero knowledge about Islam and Ismailism, yet you think you can "keep pressure" on S. Qutbuddin! I mean, get real my friend. Your effectiveness is near zero. If you want to be effective, you must join the movement first. You can't do anything from outside, unless, of course, you are such an incisive thinker that people will be immediately compelled to change their minds on reading your analysis. Sadly, your contributions here pretty much show that is not going to happen.
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B so you are now a judge on knowledge and can also measure my contribution. Sounds so abde...I did not see this coming from the side. I will not give you the respect of challenging your accusations. I don't care what you think of me. does it bother you when I keep bringing up the Quran? Why don't you bring out an aYat that justifies your belief system.

Join SKQ , really how by giving misaq to him, make him my lord , ignore all the trouble his brother and father has created, for which he and his sons don't want to acknowledge or correct ..if you checked their initiation process it is so much sms type. ..then after swearing by quran ..you want me to be hypocritical and challenge his directives. Then what get excommunicated because i brole the covenant ..back to base.

This is a hard fact to swolloow but at present SKQ needs followers and he needs to show how significantly better his administration is, we have a choice to remain in sms or seat on the fence and continue the reform fight but with 2 fronts . He had a choice of winning reformists over but he chose to not compromise and they feel superior to reformists. ..egos . The momentum of people joining him is low and that puts pressure on his dawaat to reform.

will skq pick his son as the 54th ...if he does then we are not progressing far from smb era.
if Sms was not an issue , if skq took over as smoothly as he hoped , what are the chances he would have been as transparent as now ? it is the circumstances and desparation to win people over that they have stepped one rung down. SKQ team were unpleasantly surprised that the masses did not leave in droves as expected after the death of smb.

Don't be fooled this is more a fight for inheriting power and less about our welfare , we are just a tool and source of their income and measure of control. They have some feeling but once in power , will just be sweet words , just as Sms trumpets his love for his followers so abdes can keep the money tap running.