Dawoodi Bohra

[way2heaven]

Dawoodi Bohras,

D istinguished is this minority,
and small close knit community,
A biding by the commands,
of the Dai el Mutlaq’s Farmaans,
W hen times are troubling,
we nestle & lookafter the fledgling,
O pening doors to trade,
buying & selling what has been made,
O ur beloved Aqa Maula,
is believed by us as our own bawa,
D espite dark clouds of enmity,
our quietism forms a sense of security,
I n a world where Satan’s annoyance is set free,
we huddle & nestle as a small close knit
community.

B elievers are always rushing,
to our Dai el Mutlaq’s ultimate calling,
O pening doors to knowledge,
to heaven thy does to us pledge,
H oping for the return & revelation,
of our Imam from thy 900 year seclusion,
R ightly guided,
to this very day,
A Dai el Mutlaq is successively appointed,
to show us the way,
S olemnly mourning thy matchless martyrdom,
Dawoodi Bohras seek only heavenly freedom.

May God Bless u all and show right path.

was-salam
way2heaven

[Muslim First]

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Br. Way2haven

Nice poem.

May I ask you where is Allah SWT in Bohra scheme of things?

No mention of him!

O pening doors to knowledge,
to heaven thy does to us pledge,


What knowledge? Not the Qur'an!
Pledge of heaven? Nobody can asuure you that. Only your Aamals will take you there.

May God Bless u all and show right path.
Yes path shown in Qur'an and by our prophet.

Wasalaam
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[Musafir]

In my opinion, there should be a merger of Bohris and Shia Imami Ismailis. In Ismaili constitution promolgated by the His Highness Prince Karim Aga khan around a qaurter of century ago, maintains that Imam of the time has the final authority. Although it is mentioned in that Ismaili believes in Tawheed, Nabuwah and Imama. In real life there is no account of Allah at all in Ismaili faith and practise. The Holy Quran is just a book of reference. Ismailies uses Quran only when sombody dies and to recite few parts of it before the burials. If both the faiths (not the religions) do not believe in or not giving importance to Allah SWT and Holy Quran then a merger will be a good idea.

[Muslim]

In many ways Bohras and Imami Ismailis couldn't be further apart. For Bohras, ritual and dogma play a crucial part. The spiritual essence of religion, its meaning and its implications on the social sphere is lost. In this respect, Bohras are closer to Wahabis. For the latter, the doors of ijtehad closed some 12 centuries ago when the traditions were put to paper - everything else is an 'evil innovation' probably originating from a 'deviant sect'. Similarly for Bohras, total and blind obedience to the clergy is crucial, anything else is will lead you to hell. The two groups would find common ground in the belief that dogma and ritual is supreme and they and only they are right irrespective of any rational considerations. What they will fiercely disagree on, is what those dogma and ritual are.

[mumineen]

Musafir and Muslim sound very much like "Maherally" who became a Sunni after leaving the Aga Khan fold as a leader (Mukhi)

[Muslim]

"mumineen", you lost me there. I'll assume either you didn't actually read my post or I didn't express my point across clearly enough for you to understand.

[way2heaven]

salam to all those who replied to peom i posted intially,
I wont criticise neone of you as u all r right in ur way..n talking abt amaal is this ur way to go to heaven by criticising other faith n people from same communtiy as u say ur "DAWOODI BOHRAS"..u all should learn ethics first n then come up with ne arguments abt ISLAM n DAWOODI BOHRAS.

may allah give u right knowledge n show u right path to follow.

was-salam kh
Way2Heaven

[Muslim First]

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Br.Way2Heaven
AS

Is it possible to translate your comments into english?

Wasalaam
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[way2heaven]

salam muslim first,
i guess my english n ur interpretation skills are not tht bad!!!! I just want to say tht we should not fight on things which we dont know perfectly..thts it.

kh n was-salam.

way2heaven

[mumineen]

Posted by us previously:

Why are we so concerned about the Aga Khani Shia Ismaili Khojas? We seem to have a fettish, bad-mouthing a community and its philanthropic leader who has NOT done us any harm. If you peruse through this website's archives, we have already exhausted this subject - probably due to that ex-Ismaili Khoja Akberally Maherally's anonymous instigative posts on this website (he has already become a Sunni and is merely being vindictive). We are being used.

Are we suffering from the inferiority complex that we slander and libel others to mask our inadequacies and defects and hence are jealous of the Aga Khani's successes in this world?.

Please grow up and cease and desist from these futile attacks - "pissing in the wind".

[Muslim First]

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Brothers
AS

It is reported in Sahih Muslim Hadith 79

Narrated by Abu Sa'id al-Khudri

I heard the Messenger of Allah (saws) as saying: ‘He who amongst you sees something abominable should modify it with his hand; and if he has not strength enough to do it, then he should do it with his tongue; and if he has not strength enough to even do that, then he should (abhor it) from his heart; and that is the least of faith.’

Does this have any bearing in discussion of Islam of Wahabis,Ismailis (Bohra and Agakhani)and Shias?

Wasalaam
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[kalim]

Dear way2heaven: Your statement "we should not fight on things which we dont know perfectly" is fallacious. If we know something perfectly then there is no need to fight over it as arguments no longer matter. The assumption that our knowledge is not perfect is what prompts arguments, both of the rhetorical type and the rational type. Further, there is no logical requirement that one should learn ethics before coming up with arguments about Islam or Bohras.

Actually, what you may fail to realize is that ethics can't be learned. They must be discovered using proper rational methods (which include the social study of humans) and then must be practiced. In your narrow view you mistakenly assume that whatever the da'i does (or in his lieu, his administration) is by definition ethical. People like you use this "ethical filter" to justify those action of his which result in hardships and misery of otherwise sincere and good bohras. If you have not already explored this site to read about heart-rending experiences you should do so and then read the Nathwani commission report.

Also please do try and answer Muslim First's question. Simply writing some silly and pithy lines which pass for a "poem" will not resolve real issues.

Br. Muslim First: Do not judge the belief of the bohras from some silly "poems". You may already be aware that, for example, the great Imam Ali Zain al-Abedin, one of the early Ismaili imams, has written many prayers addressed to Allah (who else can one address prays to?) directly. Reading his supplications, (for example in Sahifa al-Kamilah) one can immediately realize his deep love for the Prophet and the tremulous awe he felt while addressing God. The current da'i and his predecessors have also written many prayers in supplication to Allah. Unfortunately the bohras, partly due to the influence of the dawaat administration, have got the idea that they themselves can't address Allah directly. They have been taught to use the "channel" of the dai and his father and a set of other dead humans. As Br. Muslim mentioned the Bohra's in their practice are closer to the mainstream (Sunnis) Muslims than, say Aga-Khanies or even the other Shia.