Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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seeker110
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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

#931

Unread post by seeker110 » Thu May 25, 2017 4:45 pm

When a Dai marries 4 or more women, he has to rely on FGM to insure faithfulness from his wives. Simple as that.



Ozdundee
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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

#932

Unread post by Ozdundee » Fri May 26, 2017 2:39 pm

So orthodox want freedom of religion to choose what and how to practise their ideology

While all along not give that same freedom to progressives and moderates in taxation, women rights , choice of leaders without fear of humiliating excommunication.

Whatever excuse to get out of jail. In Sydney fake fatwas and Detroit any law to hide behind.

dal-chaval-palidu wrote:
Thu May 25, 2017 2:43 pm
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/vol ... us-exemHow ptions-and-the-detroit-female-genital-mutilation-prosecution/?utm_term=.025335875f02#comments

Another article on the religious defense argument and lots of comments on that topic.



dal-chaval-palidu
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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

#933

Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Sat May 27, 2017 12:49 am

Now in Toronto Star ...

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/0 ... adkar.html

I really hope that the US courts don't condone this under the religious freedom arguments ...

Consider these (amongst many other stuff):

- If it was religious freedom, why did they tell the parents to "deny everything"?
- Why the secrecy for this, if it is our religious practice?
- Why shame the women (haram ki boti) if this is a religious procedure?
- Why is it done in dark rooms in India? Why not just do it in saifee Hospital in a hygienic setting? why is it done in a hush-hush way for females and in the open for males? If you are just removing a small part of the extra skin, and it can be justified, why not do it in a proper medical facility by proper experts and under anesthetic. Why is it done in the back alleys and dark rooms with a blade and a quick nick – which means some will be cut more and others will be cut less. We don’t do operations in a hurry.

But even where it is allowed (like Kenya, India, Pakistan, etc.) , we do it hush-hush. So whether it is done in the open or underground says something. Many folks mention that they were taken to a dark room and an old lady took a blade and did something quickly. Why that way? That says something

- The fact that it is hush-hush is one of the reasons for the trauma. Trauma comes from intent, not the pain from the procedure. In other words, psychological trauma scars, not physical... just like we get our daughter's ears pierced without their consent and it hurts too but doesn't leave them traumatized. The betrayal by trusted people (mother, grandmother, etc.) is one of the causes of the psychological trauma. The children in Minnesota thought they were going for a "special girls trip" and this is what their mothers did. That leaves scars, in my humble opinion.
- In addition to those scars, many women have spoken that it has hurt their well-being (sexual and otherwise) as adults.
- And this whole argument that it is just a little scrap and no cut is just nonsense. If there was no cut, what (part of the skin) did they give the parents to bury? And who goes from Minnesota to Detroit to scrap a skin? Come on. A distance of 700 miles (1100 km) to scrap a skin? We were not born yesterday :)

I hope that the courts consider all these aspects and reject this religious freedom argument.



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by Shk Mohammed Yamani » Mon May 29, 2017 8:08 pm

Under the farmaan of Mrs Pringle, AKA Zora TUS sharaf bs, wife of hes highness, the 7 standard dropout Mufaddal Saifuddin, has ordered over 5000 Indian Bohra women to form a PRO FGM group to fight the founder's of SAHYO the anti FGM group.
These women belongs to Jamaat Sansthaawo like BUNEYAAT, TAALEBAAT, BURHANI WOMEN'S ASSOCIATION, MASJID SAFAI COMITEE, BANDIYO (slaves of Jamea tus Saifiya) OF ZORA BS, AND UNMARRIED YOUNG GIRLS REGISTERED ON INTERNATIONAL TEHSIRUN NIKKAH COMITEE (ITNC) They have been ordered to register their details on tweeter and DBWRF, The newly setup website for PRO FGM

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/m.hindusta ... O_amp.html


https://www.dbwrf.org/DB/faq



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

#935

Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Mon May 29, 2017 10:18 pm

Lately all DMBS lady slaves(kothari wives) have put this on their profile pics(Facebook,WhatsApp...etc)
Now jamiya artist are working part time as cartoonists :mrgreen:
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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by ajamali » Tue May 30, 2017 7:09 am

Moiz_Dhaanu wrote:
Mon May 29, 2017 10:18 pm
Lately all DMBS lady slaves(kothari wives) have put this on their profile pics(Facebook,WhatsApp...etc)
Now jamiya artist are working part time as cartoonists :mrgreen:
To steal a comment from another site, it looks like a cross between Mary mother of Jesus and the little mermaid...whatever this picture may represent, halo and all, it's not a bohra woman... My wife, my sister, my friends' wives look nothing like this!! Someone needs to work on their branding :roll:



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

#937

Unread post by Crater Lake » Tue May 30, 2017 7:26 am

^^ You mean your wife does not have a halo around her head? Tsk tsk...



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by ajamali » Tue May 30, 2017 7:34 am

Crater Lake wrote:
Tue May 30, 2017 7:26 am
^^ You mean your wife does not have a halo around her head? Tsk tsk...
My wife fasts throughout Ramadan, never misses a prayer and is a wonderful mother to my children but she still does not have a halo :( . What she does have is an aura of self-confidence and zero tolerance for bull&#!£ and she used that word for this campaign. They are forcefully signing up women for this group. Many of my cousins in India received welcome letters to the group and they had not signed up!!



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

#939

Unread post by objectiveobserver53 » Tue May 30, 2017 7:43 am

Regarding the DBWRF brand picture: That's not a halo. That's her head exploding from the putrid garbage that's inside it!



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by Bohra spring » Tue May 30, 2017 8:29 am

Bring it on Ortho and Abdes. Zada Men hiding behind women shields.

We wanted a battle, what opportunity.

If they knew what's behind the scenes the international interest in combating FGM they are in for a show this will be full of fireworks.

Now the international forces will have an organised group that promotes institutionalised sex abuse of children to fight rather than individual cases here and there. I cannot believe it FgM fighters why are you not celebrating in public you must be delighted that Allah rewards this fight with better and better arena. First sms bumbles into the supreme court case, Detroit drops from sky, India fires up and now this group of amtes decide to self humiliate themselves and collectively admit they are volunteer child abusers. Some would consider how dumb they really are asking society to ignore them commiting fgm on children . The issue is not fgm on self but on a child. Nobody cares if these women when they tirn 18 want to self harm and undergo fgm.

Shk Mohammed Yamani wrote:
Mon May 29, 2017 8:08 pm
Under the farmaan of Mrs Pringle, AKA Zora TUS sharaf bs, wife of hes highness, the 7 standard dropout Mufaddal Saifuddin, has ordered over 5000 Indian Bohra women to form a PRO FGM group to fight the founder's of SAHYO the anti FGM group.
These women belongs to Jamaat Sansthaawo like BUNEYAAT, TAALEBAAT, BURHANI WOMEN'S ASSOCIATION, MASJID SAFAI COMITEE, BANDIYO (slaves of Jamea tus Saifiya) OF ZORA BS, AND UNMARRIED YOUNG GIRLS REGISTERED ON INTERNATIONAL TEHSIRUN NIKKAH COMITEE (ITNC) They have been ordered to register their details on tweeter and DBWRF, The newly setup website for PRO FGM

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/m.hindusta ... O_amp.html


https://www.dbwrf.org/DB/faq



Ozdundee
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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:28 am

Detroit media reports the below.

Now Abdes you see where your wajebat and taqmeen goes. Mufaddal and his toli Hiring expensive American lawyers to keep an eye on the case.

I assume 500,000 bohras will have contributed atleast $1 or Rupee 60 per person towards the $1 million case costs in Australia and now another $1 rupee 60 in US.

Feel good you have had barakat of shameel in great initiative fighting your country law systems.
Detroit-area lawyer Mayer Morganroth says he and lawyer Alan Dershowitz have been hired by the faith's international leaders to keep an eye on the case.



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by Shk Mohammed Yamani » Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:35 pm

Ozdundee wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:28 am
Detroit media reports the below.

Now Abdes you see where your wajebat and taqmeen goes. Mufaddal and his toli Hiring expensive American lawyers to keep an eye on the case.

I assume 500,000 bohras will have contributed atleast $1 or Rupee 60 per person towards the $1 million case costs in Australia and now another $1 rupee 60 in US.

Feel good you have had barakat of shameel in great initiative fighting your country law systems.
Detroit-area lawyer Mayer Morganroth says he and lawyer Alan Dershowitz have been hired by the faith's international leaders to keep an eye on the case.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/l ... 102378354/



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

#943

Unread post by yuzarsif » Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:29 pm

Times of India
Defying dissent, 2 women docs promote FGM, may face action
http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Arti ... 2017007026



Ozdundee
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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by Ozdundee » Fri Jun 02, 2017 12:39 am

yuzarsif wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:29 pm
Times of India
Defying dissent, 2 women docs promote FGM, may face action
http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Arti ... 2017007026
Now if someone lists down the names of Bohra doctors on the dbwrf blog before they delete their l profiles, promoting FGM publicly an India reformists can forward the list to Indian Medical Association.

Bloody loyalists of Mufaddal blindly going around talking about their rights as women and mothers while trampling rights of children on weak sunnah.

If Bohras were so conscious about sunnah what about 999 other that they decide to ignore and criticise us as badummat.



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Fri Jun 02, 2017 2:49 am

yuzarsif wrote:
Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:29 pm
Times of India
Defying dissent, 2 women docs promote FGM, may face action
http://epaperbeta.timesofindia.com/Arti ... 2017007026
The current situation in DMBS camp is one which can be compared to "last ditch effort to save face"...
Apart from that, the actions and the reactions from amtes(formation o f DBRWF) reminds me of the saying
"Vinaash Kaal Vipreet buddhi" :twisted:
When a community/individual is hell-bent towards their own humiliation/degradation , even god cannot save them .



Ozdundee
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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

#946

Unread post by Ozdundee » Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:16 am

FGM Battle of India has begun watch this space.

In the blue corner Sahiyo armed with will, compassion, no funds, and Allah blessing fighting for children rights Supported by zealous phantom Assassin reformists. Arsenal FBI Interpol , United Nations, Indian Parliament.

In the red corner Abdes and Amtes armed with zionist lawyers, ill wealth, arrogance , liars and religious deviant human worshipers .supported by corrupt princes and princesses. Arsenal presidents of Tanzania Kenya Zambia Modi RSS and Emir of UAE.

Battle score.

20 century civil court wins by the Kothar.

21st century 2 high profile criminal cases in Au and USA wins by activits reformists



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

#947

Unread post by Biradar » Fri Jun 02, 2017 9:09 am

Many people may not realize who Alan Dershowitz is. He is a very powerful and prominent constitutional lawyer and former professor of law. He is nationally recognized. Also, he has deep connections with the top-levels of the Democratic Party of the US. The fact that Muffy Dawaat can hire such a prominent person to "watch over" the case shows the amount of money and influence they have. If I was the FBI prosecuting lawyer I would be pretty worried about this development. It seems that this case will eventually end up as First Amendment case. It is also obvious that the Muffy Dawaat is planning that the doctors will say yes, we did FGM, but then turn around and say that this action is protected by the US Constitution. Also, they may argue that the FGM ban is unconstitutional and hence should be overturned.

Actually, this is a very dangerous turn of events. The US Supreme Court and Federal courts are very sympathetic to religious freedom arguments. In general, the protection for religious beliefs and free-speech has been very strong in the US. Hence, it would not be surprising if the Federal courts sided with the doctors and Muffy Bohras.

This, of course, would be a major disaster and setback. Instead of eliminating this practice, this will now become protected. Which has severe consequences for parents of girls in the US. Many parents do not choose to do FGM, and use the excuse of it being illegal in the US. However, if FGM was protected then this excuse would vanish and the Kothari Mafia and that misogynist baboon Muffy will be able to openly pressure parents in doing this horrific act. We all know the amount of social pressure Kothar can bring about on families. Hence, I foresee tough times for Muffy Bohra parents if this were come to pass.

Given the historic trajectory of the Bohras, I would not be surprised that Muffy lawyers prevail in the end. In fact, that is a distinct possibility. Rather ironically, this drama actually proves the correctness and wisdom of STF. He neatly avoided such traps by making the practice illegal amongst his followers. The fact that Muffy continues to rant and rave about FGM shows his backwardness compared to the peaceful and forward looking vision of SKQ and now STF. As I have repeatedly maintained, the whole schism is essentially one of a forward-looking liberal viewpoint (represented by SKQ and Fatmemi Dawaat) and a backward and regressive viewpoint, represented by Muffy Dawaat. This battle has only surfaced in the last few years, but has been going on for decades, perhaps even since the time of STS.



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:26 am

Also, they may argue that the FGM ban is unconstitutional and hence should be overturned.
Then why did they issue an earlier letter where they announced that Bohras were asked to follow the law of the land, basically throwing Nagarwala.Attar under the bus and only reason they are throwing big money after Muslim Bashing Lawyers like Dershowitz is because law enforcement like FBI and HLS is narrowing their noose around Kothari Mafia in USA with Money Laundering
Also same criteria should have applied in Australia but they did not pursue any further action so it has more to do with expanding investigation of Dawat E Hadiyah in USA
There is also Hypocrisy on the part of SMS, while cursing Jews and not to deal with Jews in their Waez, they have hired the most vocal supporter of Israel, Alan Dershowitz.
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Ozdundee
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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

#949

Unread post by Ozdundee » Fri Jun 02, 2017 10:27 am

Birader bhai do not under estimate the firepower of prosecution and FBI. There is no way the USA law will flex and permit FGM to be permitted under 1st Amendment. They tried the same in Australia and failed. This matter will shift from district courts to high courts and supreme court.

First amendment does not apply to a third person. In this case child
A mother cannot FGM a child and claim religious rights. The women can fgm themselves . The courts will fight this hard as it will set bad precedence. Eg parents killing gay children, terrorism, child molestation child marriages.

What Sayedna is doing is pushing himself in corner. The reason of getting a solid defence is because when all charges are laid Sayedna could be targeted.

Regardless even if the defence wins the matter will drag through courts exposing kothar evil and media field day and its win win for reformists. Every case he fights the loyalty of followers chip away.

In a few years we will see the benefits.

Fighting the case so hard rebounds the fallout on kothar. Intelligent moderate bohras are watching too.



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by Biradar » Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:58 am

US is not Australia. The US has very (very) robust protection of religious rights. We have seen this repeatedly in other cases involving minors in certain Christian sects, in particular the Amish and Christian Scientists. In general, parents have very large latitude in raising their children in any way they wish, including seeking specific medical help and also avoiding specific medical help. Also, male circumcision is permitted, and the arguments for it are largely religious.

Also, it is not so simple to "target" Muffy directly. You have to remember that even in the case of pedophilia scandal in the Catholic Church, the Vatican or Pope can't be directly held responsible. This situation may be a little different, but in general religious leaders are free to espouse views that many consider to be abhorrent. For example, many Muslim (and some Christian) preachers in the US rail against homosexuality. They are not thrown in jail, and rightly so. We can only punish actions and not words.

Don't get me wrong: I am not supporting Muffy. Anyone who has read anything I have said on this board knows that. I am pointing out the various possibilities so one can understand the situation better. This is not a slam-dunk case. Things can go either way, even though it is likely the doctors will be jailed for a long time.



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Jun 02, 2017 1:06 pm

Biradar wrote:
Fri Jun 02, 2017 11:58 am
. In general, parents have very large latitude in raising their children in any way they wish, including seeking specific medical help and also avoiding specific medical help. Also, male circumcision is permitted, and the arguments for it are largely religious.
See the following article Christian Scientists who refuse Medical Care Please read the court judgment in regards to IAN case
http://childrenshealthcare.org/?page_id=132

It seems that Dawat E Hadiyah is trying to cover their bases with hiring of Dershowitz



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

#952

Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:28 pm

More articles in the media on fgm. It seems like that SMS leaning women are calling anybody who says FGM has hurt them as non-Bohras and those who have left the fold (see the comments section). And, they are even denying that their experience is real. Some of you (the DBWRF crowd) think that khatna has not done any damage to you - fine. But at least acknowledge that there are others who have been hurt, physically, sexually, and psychological/mental trauma.

And the fact that some get hurt and other don't feel like anything has been taken away from them makes the case for delaying until the girl is an adult and can decide for herself. And that so many even leave the fold (the DBWRF argument, I don't agree with it) is another reason to not subject all girls to it at a young age of 7 years.

http://indianexpress.com/article/lifest ... d-4687748/

The STF solutions looks good. Let the women decide when she is an adult. Some appear to be fine with it, and others have been scared for life. So let the adult person decide.



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:34 pm

clippedwings wrote:
Wed May 24, 2017 6:15 pm
yfm wrote:
Wed May 24, 2017 3:29 pm
Sorry I can not join in. I leave to individuals to make their choices. I am not in favor of humiliating our whole community and our ancestors who worked hard to build our social standing of being honest and religious community. We have enought problems with our clergy who disintegrate us and rob us of our pride and dignity to exasperate all these with the pleasure of women seeking Sexual orgies. This kind of choice is left at individual level brought through education and understanding and not by compaigns and coercion.
Why not allow your daughters to grow up and choose what to do with their own bodies? Aren't you being a hypocrite as you are pushing your belief onto them in such an intrusive, disgusting way.

Let me tell you, as someone who underwent khafd, it has been a psychologically scarring experience. I have an extreme phobia of blood because of my memories of what I went through. I actively campaign against it because I do not want other girls to suffer the way that I do - where I don't sleep before a blood test, take anaesthetic to numb my skin and still cry for an hour afte the test is complete. Then there is the emotional and physical scarring as well. You may want to harp on about how it is your choice blah blah blah, but you are putting your children in harm's way by doing this and also being a complete hypocrite.

I would also like to point out that you are completely unaware of the reasons stated for khafd and the Hadith behind it. You are hypocritical on so many things and are picking and choosing what you want to support your very flimsy argument.
clippedwings,

very sorry to hear about the trauma that you continue to experience. I hope that you write to the judge in Michigan about your personal experience to help make the case that this is not benign, and, that it does have long lasting effects. And it was very brave of you to share it on this forum. Inshallah, hope that you heal fully soon.
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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Tue Jun 06, 2017 6:44 pm

http://indianexpress.com/article/lifest ... d-4687748/

From the article above, it says:

"Despite several phone calls and attempts to reach out, the Syedna’s office did not respond to our queries. In 2016, the Syedna’s office had released a press statement: “Male and female circumcision (called khatna or khafz) are religious rites that have been practised by Dawoodi Bohras throughout their history. Religious books, written over a thousand years ago, specify the requirements for both males and females as acts of religious purity. This religious obligation finds an echo in many other Muslim communities, particularly those following the Sunni Shafi’i school of thought…” Everyone does not have the right to perform khatna. To be a cutter, you require a razaa from the Syedna."

Does that mean the Syedna/kothar knows the names of all the cutters? Well, it is not like that SMS is reached directly. That means it goes thru the Aamils/organization to him. Then FBI/UK agency should approach the Aamils/dawat organizations and ask them the names of all the cutters who have raaza. I mean, I am not saying that they (Aamils) know. The above says this is a press release from their own office (kothar). So the kothar is saying it knows all the people who have raaza to perform khatna. So go after them and get the names.



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

#955

Unread post by Mkenya » Tue Jun 06, 2017 7:03 pm

How is it that only MEN are discussing this topic! The British would say: "It's no skin off their (nose) genital"!



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by Maqbool » Wed Jun 07, 2017 2:47 am

Forwarded as received.

Baad as salaam al jamil
mumineen ma jush anay walwalu wadhi gayu chay. Moula na ishara par Amal karwa tayyar chay. bhalay US law na mantu huway. moula na farman pehla chay. dunya na qanun ni parwah nathi. shehzadi umme hani bs ye haji farmayu kay moula "Inni Anal' lah" (may Allah Choon) ni Shaan zahir kari rahya chay. Aajiz thaee nay tamam Aalam sajdu karsay.
Mubarakbadi sagla muhibbu ye apwi shuroo kari deedi chay. sagli NGOs anay Human Rights anay Women Rights na activist Jahannam ma jali nay mari jasay. moula nay Fateh milwa wali chay. itnu mahtu wakil judge nay qabu kari lesay. England anay US na wakeel ni team banawi nay case larwa ni mufaddal moula ye Raza fazal farmavi chay. Aap ye dua kidi chay key mazluma dr bai jald jail si wali away . Burhanuddin moula madad karsay anay khafad na khilaaf tamaam Shayateen na lashkar nay shikast desay. firishta ni fauj saath chay. mumineen dil khuli nay jihad fund ma shazada malik ul ashtar nay khatir ruqum arz karay anay sawab si daman bharay.
Al Vazarat al Saifiya, Sighat al Amalat na sagla khidmat guzaru bayan ma Aa mafhum nay wazah karay anay Aqa Aaliqadr ni shanaat nay bayan karay. em al sayedil ajal, amir al jameatus saifiya shahzada jafar us sadiq bs imaduddin dm ye irshad farmayu chay.
wassalaam
Shk. Tayyabali Maymoon
Badri Mahal



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by allbird » Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:19 am

mumineen dil khuli nay jihad fund ma shazada malik ul ashtar nay khatir ruqum arz karay anay sawab si daman bharay.


Bloody Hell it all boils down to Money.......that's the name of the game. Mazlum Dr Bai na naam pur $$$ jaama karo and Moron kul Ustar...the King of chors.



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:57 pm

http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/sto ... 102310920/

From the article ...

I am concerned for the maelstrom which may ensue when the case goes to trial. At that moment, will women’s rights be asserted or will they be diluted in favor of political correctness?
....

The first federal FGM case will raise challenging questions. There is a simple metric we can use to evaluate competing claims: culture is no excuse for abuse. No religion or culture should be the impetus for hurting, mutilating or abusing anyone, and our children should be protected. For too long, FGM has been practiced under the radar in the United States. The arrest and prosecution of these individuals is a step in the right direction, but the true test will come at trial: will we allow our political correctness to coax us into complacency? Or will we use this moment to assert our loftiest convictions: that all people are equal and should be treated as such, regardless of their religion and culture? My hope for all women and girls is that we will stand for equality.

Paula Kweskin is an attorney specializing in human rights law.



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

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Unread post by Shk Mohammed Yamani » Thu Jun 08, 2017 5:17 am

FGM Culprit Dr Fakhruddin Attar of Surat and his wife released from jail and put on house arrest.
Bohras in Surat celebrating with fireworks and shouting Fatehmubin to Muffy more is

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/l ... 102594478/

http://www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-n ... 8729-story



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Re: Practice Of Female Circumcision Among Bohra Muslims.

#960

Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Sun Jun 11, 2017 1:17 am

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/10/heal ... collection

Another article ... the below in particular captures the thoughts of some Bohras quite well
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Some worry the case is stoking anti-Muslim sentiment, though cutting is not in the Quran or practiced in many Muslim societies. And some Bohras who oppose cutting nonetheless feel the defendants are being unfairly demonized for a practice endorsed by their religion’s leadership.

“I don’t want to be pro the practice, but I don’t want it to be exaggerated into something completely barbaric,” said Maryah Haidery, 37, who comes from a Bohra family in New Jersey and had never spoken publicly about her cutting before.

Ms. Haidery, who does medical writing for pharmaceutical companies, said she was “very concerned about this violation” in Michigan, but also “taken aback by how vilified that Michigan doctor had become.”
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I understand that she is being made an example, and is being held responsible for her action. And that is correct and as per the law, and it will certainly act as a deterence; but the hatred against Muslims and against her in the comments section of the numerous articles is really sad.