Muffadal Saifuddin and related topics 2018

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Biradar
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Re: Muffadal Saifuddin and related topics 2018

#61

Unread post by Biradar » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:03 pm

It is amazing that the Admin allows the discussion on this board to sink to below the level of a toilet. As usual, the Admin sleeps while this happens, but when any real debate occurs, he suddenly wakes up and starts editing posts, rearranging things and deleting things. Then we all wonder why this board is dying.



Vas_anwala
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#62

Unread post by Vas_anwala » Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:31 pm

Biradar wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:03 pm
It is amazing that the Admin allows the discussion on this board to sink to below the level of a toilet.


Triggered? In the words of Gordon Ramsey, If you can't handle the heat, maybe get out of the kitchen.
As usual, the Admin sleeps while this happens, but when any real debate occurs, he suddenly wakes up and starts editing posts, rearranging things and deleting things.


Calling your sugar daddy to bail you out. How pigressive like.
Then we all wonder why this board is dying.
When you prove to the flat earthers that the earth is a sphere, but they still come with the "CGI" retort, you get PDB web.



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#63

Unread post by canadian » Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:00 pm

Biradar wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:03 pm
It is amazing that the Admin allows the discussion on this board to sink to below the level of a toilet. As usual, the Admin sleeps while this happens, but when any real debate occurs, he suddenly wakes up and starts editing posts, rearranging things and deleting things. Then we all wonder why this board is dying.
Biradar: It looks like after the failure of Sheikh Adam and his gang to break this PDB site, Kothar has sent another squad
( viz. HJK, Vas-anwala, level-headed, et al) to harass the progressives.
And our resident virus (Incredible with multiple ID’s and multiple gadgets and multiple residences) momeenbhai, is here to bite any and all groups.



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#64

Unread post by ajamali » Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:45 pm

canadian wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:00 pm
Biradar wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:03 pm
It is amazing that the Admin allows the discussion on this board to sink to below the level of a toilet. As usual, the Admin sleeps while this happens, but when any real debate occurs, he suddenly wakes up and starts editing posts, rearranging things and deleting things. Then we all wonder why this board is dying.
Biradar: It looks like after the failure of Sheikh Adam and his gang to break this PDB site, Kothar has sent another squad
( viz. HJK, Vas-anwala, level-headed, et al) to harass the progressives.
And our resident virus (Incredible with multiple ID’s and multiple gadgets and multiple residences) momeenbhai, is here to bite any and all groups.
This sajda video has really got under their skin. They can’t stand that people are seeing their precious “dai” doing sajda to one whom they are calling names.



think_for_yourself
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#65

Unread post by think_for_yourself » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:09 pm

ajamali wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:45 pm
canadian wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:00 pm


Biradar: It looks like after the failure of Sheikh Adam and his gang to break this PDB site, Kothar has sent another squad
( viz. HJK, Vas-anwala, level-headed, et al) to harass the progressives.
And our resident virus (Incredible with multiple ID’s and multiple gadgets and multiple residences) momeenbhai, is here to bite any and all groups.
This sajda video has really got under their skin. They can’t stand that people are seeing their precious “dai” doing sajda to one whom they are calling names.
As the heat increases the cavalry will get bigger. I just love that they are bending over backwards to deny sajda when there is sworn testimony in court by the defendant that MS and ALL Burhanuddin Aqa’s children did sajda to Qutbuddin Moula. MS people are like mushrooms. They are fed sh:# and they thrive in the dark.



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#66

Unread post by think_for_yourself » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:09 pm

ajamali wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:45 pm
canadian wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 6:00 pm


Biradar: It looks like after the failure of Sheikh Adam and his gang to break this PDB site, Kothar has sent another squad
( viz. HJK, Vas-anwala, level-headed, et al) to harass the progressives.
And our resident virus (Incredible with multiple ID’s and multiple gadgets and multiple residences) momeenbhai, is here to bite any and all groups.
This sajda video has really got under their skin. They can’t stand that people are seeing their precious “dai” doing sajda to one whom they are calling names.
As the heat increases the cavalry will get bigger. I just love that they are bending over backwards to deny sajda when there is sworn testimony in court by the defendant that MS and ALL Burhanuddin Aqa’s children did sajda to Qutbuddin Moula. MS people are like mushrooms. They are fed sh:# and they thrive in the dark.

Level-headed vasanwala etc. need to regroup and come up with a new defence!



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#67

Unread post by ajamali » Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:30 pm

think_for_yourself wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:09 pm
ajamali wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 7:45 pm


This sajda video has really got under their skin. They can’t stand that people are seeing their precious “dai” doing sajda to one whom they are calling names.
As the heat increases the cavalry will get bigger. I just love that they are bending over backwards to deny sajda when there is sworn testimony in court by the defendant that MS and ALL Burhanuddin Aqa’s children did sajda to Qutbuddin Moula. MS people are like mushrooms. They are fed sh:# and they thrive in the dark.

Level-headed vasanwala etc. need to regroup and come up with a new defence!
Hee hee. If they stopped playing the “Identity Delusions” game, they have some chance of coming up with a half decent argument.
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TFY I believe you were wrong about the sajda. The last still from the video shows MS forehead on the ground clear of SKQ’s feet. Which means that his lips were on the ground, not on the feet. Regardless, there is also the written testimony under oath.....it is getting tough for the cavalry....

I once did sajda to SKQ when he was Mazoon in full view of some jamaat members. I was later given a talking to by the aamil :- a big MS chamcha (when he returned) that you can only do sajda to dai :roll: . So it follows that Qutbuddin Moula was close to being Dai.



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#68

Unread post by Vas_anwala » Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:26 pm

ajamali wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:30 pm
they have some chance of coming up with a half decent argument.
So you too aren't sure of the video being conclusive to prove that the bobras are right? That's disheartening.

Regardless, there is also the written testimony under oath.....it is getting tough for the cavalry....


I'm going to assume I'd be giving you a seizure if I were to ask you for a proof, yes? Blink twice if yes
I once did sajda to SKQ when he was Mazoon in full view of some jamaat members. I was later given a talking to by the aamil :- a big MS chamcha (when he returned) that you can only do sajda to dai :roll: . So it follows that Qutbuddin Moula was close to being Dai.
So you once did sajda to a mazoon because why? Let me guess, you knew the bobra was to become a dai because the bobra couldn't keep it to him after making a promise. There are too many holes in this argument, it kinda gives the swiss cheese a run for it's money.



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#69

Unread post by Vas_anwala » Thu Mar 01, 2018 3:53 am

think_for_yourself wrote:
Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:09 pm
As the heat increases the cavalry will get bigger.


Hey, I still see the same 2 guys providing counter to your claims. Count me as third, but if you're going to turn back with the "multiple ID" retort, then that's still pretty less than the bobras around here. Besides, I feel that this entire site is now fielding for the Bobras worldwide. Whatever happened to their "Unislamic Practices" vision.
I just love that they are bending over backwards to deny sajda when there is sworn testimony in court by the defendant.


I'm going to assume you're going to have a seizure when I ask you for a proof of this sworn testimony? Blink twice if yes.
that MS and ALL Burhanuddin Aqa’s children did sajda to Qutbuddin Moula. MS people are like mushrooms. They are fed sh:# and they thrive in the dark.
Is that why the Bobra conducts his sermons in his home and not in masjid......oops, forgot. You don't have any and probably wouldn't make any because you're too poor. Lel



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#70

Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:00 am

HJK wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:38 am
Moiz_Dhaanu wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 1:45 am

You do know that mother and mother's family is also called family :mrgreen:
or maybe you were brought up in a culture where it was OK that mothers were cursed in public gatherings.(remember the ashara in Africa under DMBS).....

DMBS=Dawedar Mufaddal Bhai Saheb
The biggest curse...
Moiz bhai get some answers. The best you hve been doing is explaining the abbreviations of DMBS
Please use your intellect as shz husain suggests in his videos and answer those. Shall be beneficial to all.
Oh so you agree that the most accurate and the best of all my answers is the Abbreviations of DMBS
Thanks for agreeing to the fact that he is Dawedaar 8)

since you like it so much ..I will say it one more time
DMBS: Dawedaar Mufaddal Bhai Saheb



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#71

Unread post by HJK » Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:50 am

Moiz_Dhaanu wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:00 am
HJK wrote:
Fri Mar 09, 2018 2:38 am


The biggest curse...
Moiz bhai get some answers. The best you hve been doing is explaining the abbreviations of DMBS
Please use your intellect as shz husain suggests in his videos and answer those. Shall be beneficial to all.
Oh so you agree that the most accurate and the best of all my answers is the Abbreviations of DMBS
Thanks for agreeing to the fact that he is Dawedaar 8)

since you like it so much ..I will say it one more time
DMBS: Dawedaar Mufaddal Bhai Saheb
Hehe. You seem to be so amused by all your very petu stuff brother.
Keep doing the amusing stuff. I said this is the best that u can do or u do. The problem is you are so prone to twisted stuff now that you do not and cannot understand the simplest of answers.

Actually the best of answers you have got till date moiz bhai was the previous post which looked like framed by some one.
You forgot to ask him/her that if i were born my mother witnessed it! But were witnesses required?


Good going brother



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#72

Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:07 pm

Just curious to know if you have any clue what "Sarcasm" or what "Sarcastic Tone" mean?
From your responses to my replies, it does not seem that you do 8)

By the way ..aap ne to nass ko mazaak hi bana dalaa
u went above and beyond by claiming to be dai ..
Did QJ and Dr Moiz come to ur takht nashi function ?



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#73

Unread post by HJK » Mon Mar 19, 2018 1:08 am

Moiz_Dhaanu wrote:
Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:07 pm
Just curious to know if you have any clue what "Sarcasm" or what "Sarcastic Tone" mean?
From your responses to my replies, it does not seem that you do 8)

By the way ..aap ne to nass ko mazaak hi bana dalaa
u went above and beyond by claiming to be dai ..
Did QJ and Dr Moiz come to ur takht nashi function ?
Nass ko hamne nai aapne mazaak bana daala. Itna mazaak k koi bhi khada ho kar bol sake k mere par nass hui hai aur aap usko jhutla naa sako, kyuki aapka khud ka daawa jhoot par hai.
Shz abdeali and husain did attend my takht nashini



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#74

Unread post by Reporter » Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:14 pm

An old man pulls Mufaddal's cart:
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#75

Unread post by Qadir » Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:14 pm

Salaam,
Just to be clear, I am a Dawoodi Bohra and believe Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin to be the haq na dai.
Firstly, the main subject going on around here is about, sajda given to KQ and sajda can only be given to dai. I dont know how much is the latter true but by the looks of the video, Mufaddal Moula was doing salaam and tried to kiss KQ's feet (which was ok as he also took misaq and recognised KQ being mazoon) but just to save time and careful not to hit KQ legs with his head he just kissed the ground. Also, if it was wrong to do sajda to anyone other than dai, it was KQ's responsibility to stop anyone and everyone to give sajda to him as he was supposed to he on higher 'darja' and supposedly had more ilm (quite unlikely though).
Secondly, the person who is pulling the hand cart would probably be so happy and now he would get more customers as moula rode his cart. So it would be incorrect to say anything about why it is wrong. We righteous people believe that we are slaves of panjetan pak, Aimmat Tahereen and hence, in their seclusion, of Duat Mutlaqeen and take pride in that notion. Also, if he did not want to do it, no one would have forced him. Also, other people are helping run the cart so it not just him alone.



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#76

Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Thu Apr 05, 2018 4:50 am

please dig in to the past of this forum ,one of the hottest questions around was (and still is)

Please list 10 (5 bhi chalega :wink: ) personal qualities which DMBS possesses to make himself a viable candidate for being a Dai

don't attempt to give the nass episode and letter etc...it's all very clear that it was all staged by master puppeteer (QJ)

DMBS : Dawedaar Mufaddal bhai Saheb



Qadir
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#77

Unread post by Qadir » Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:01 pm

1. Ilm of Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin: Graduated from Al Jamea Tus-Saifiyah and Institute of Islamic Studies at Al-Azhar University. Held Amirul Jamea position for a long time under the leadership of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin.

2. Accompanied Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin to his first historic Yemen visit. So, we can say experience in the field.

3. Title of Aaliqadr from Syedna Taher Saifuddin.

4. Takes stand on opinions which he knows would make people feel frustrated but it is wrong according to Islam. Not like TF just do what feels right.

5. Does and encourages other mumineen to conduct upliftment drives for people living in a state of despair and poverty.

6. Fluent in Arabic and Hafiz-al Quran

7. Helped in the construction of Al Jamea-ul Anwar and other masajids in Cairo.

8. Does bayaan like no one else in the world.

9. Sits long hours for giving deedar even on Ashura after long day of fast and waaz. Does not cancel any program for mumineen dedaar even if he would be tired.

10. Goes to one town after another for mumineen without caring about himself.



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#78

Unread post by HMALAK » Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:06 am

Qadir wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:01 pm
1. Ilm of Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin: Graduated from Al Jamea Tus-Saifiyah and Institute of Islamic Studies at Al-Azhar University. Held Amirul Jamea position for a long time under the leadership of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin.

2. Accompanied Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin to his first historic Yemen visit. So, we can say experience in the field.

3. Title of Aaliqadr from Syedna Taher Saifuddin.

4. Takes stand on opinions which he knows would make people feel frustrated but it is wrong according to Islam. Not like TF just do what feels right.

5. Does and encourages other mumineen to conduct upliftment drives for people living in a state of despair and poverty.

6. Fluent in Arabic and Hafiz-al Quran

7. Helped in the construction of Al Jamea-ul Anwar and other masajids in Cairo.

8. Does bayaan like no one else in the world.

9. Sits long hours for giving deedar even on Ashura after long day of fast and waaz. Does not cancel any program for mumineen dedaar even if he would be tired.

10. Goes to one town after another for mumineen without caring about himself.
Mr. Qadir, whatever you have listed here are not the qualities but the duty of the person sitting at that level.

To counter your list I would like to ask few of my questions:

1. Wasn't there thousand of people during the construction of Jameul Anwar?
2. He is 07th Grade Fail in Academic Education. He does not have any graduation certificate. Yes his son Mr. Jafarus Sadiq has one. Do not misguide.
3. Title of Aliqadr was given by Syedna Tahir Saifuddin but such titles are given to many Shehzadas or Shehzadis by Dais in present and past.
4. I agree with you that No one can do Bayaan like him as there is no time when he is doing Bayaan. He is just Reading what his Personal Secretary and Guru gives him.
5. He is not fluent in Arabic. Also not confident in speaking ENglish too. But language is not a criteria for judging.
6. He sits on a Couch with soft sheets. He sits in a AC Buggy and Chariot in the Julus. How come will he get tired my friend?
7. Yes he goes from one town to another, but have you heard how much money he or his family makes? I was the person who converted his cash into Gold when he came in Vadodara a couple of years back. I know what the money is, so better have your facts clear.
8. Why does he encourages people or us to uplift people? Why does not he directly uplift?

Please do not bash me as I am not a follower of Taher Fakhruddin either. I would not believe into anyone until the court decides who the actual Dai is.

Thank You



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#79

Unread post by Shams » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:04 am

Qadir wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:01 pm
1. Ilm of Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin: Graduated from Al Jamea Tus-Saifiyah and Institute of Islamic Studies at Al-Azhar University. Held Amirul Jamea position for a long time under the leadership of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin.

2. Accompanied Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin to his first historic Yemen visit. So, we can say experience in the field.

3. Title of Aaliqadr from Syedna Taher Saifuddin.

4. Takes stand on opinions which he knows would make people feel frustrated but it is wrong according to Islam. Not like TF just do what feels right.

5. Does and encourages other mumineen to conduct upliftment drives for people living in a state of despair and poverty.

6. Fluent in Arabic and Hafiz-al Quran

7. Helped in the construction of Al Jamea-ul Anwar and other masajids in Cairo.

8. Does bayaan like no one else in the world.

9. Sits long hours for giving deedar even on Ashura after long day of fast and waaz. Does not cancel any program for mumineen dedaar even if he would be tired.

10. Goes to one town after another for mumineen without caring about himself.
The naivety of your responses isn't worth discussing but would like to point out that very same fact. You say you are an undergraduate in US which makes me believe you're reasonably educated and discerning person in your field of study yet you have blinders on when it comes to your very own faith and knowledge of your leader. "Does bayaan like no one else..." REALLY? I feel sorry that you haven't heard the story of Imam Husain from a better orator than Muffy. Also isn't by principle a Dai's job to tell his people the correct interpretation of scripture for the day and age? Otherwise what is the use of a Dai?



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#80

Unread post by Qadir » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:09 am

I wouldn’t try to agrue you HMALAK.
Because as you said that you are waiting for court to decide as who dai is, I am sure that you count as an ignorant and a stupid person.
Now I have been taught that Amir ul Mumineen Ali ibn Abi Talib said “ You have already lost the argument, if you are arguing with a fool.”
Also, I am 100% sure you won’t be able to haldle being a dai for a week. AC buggy is for mumineen to have good deedar. Try to sit on a sofa without moving your legs for 3 hours, because thats what Moula does during Qadambosi.



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#81

Unread post by Qadir » Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:13 am

Shams wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:04 am
Qadir wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:01 pm
1. Ilm of Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin: Graduated from Al Jamea Tus-Saifiyah and Institute of Islamic Studies at Al-Azhar University. Held Amirul Jamea position for a long time under the leadership of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin.

2. Accompanied Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin to his first historic Yemen visit. So, we can say experience in the field.

3. Title of Aaliqadr from Syedna Taher Saifuddin.

4. Takes stand on opinions which he knows would make people feel frustrated but it is wrong according to Islam. Not like TF just do what feels right.

5. Does and encourages other mumineen to conduct upliftment drives for people living in a state of despair and poverty.

6. Fluent in Arabic and Hafiz-al Quran

7. Helped in the construction of Al Jamea-ul Anwar and other masajids in Cairo.

8. Does bayaan like no one else in the world.

9. Sits long hours for giving deedar even on Ashura after long day of fast and waaz. Does not cancel any program for mumineen dedaar even if he would be tired.

10. Goes to one town after another for mumineen without caring about himself.
The naivety of your responses isn't worth discussing but would like to point out that very same fact. You say you are an undergraduate in US which makes me believe you're reasonably educated and discerning person in your field of study yet you have blinders on when it comes to your very own faith and knowledge of your leader. "Does bayaan like no one else..." REALLY? I feel sorry that you haven't heard the story of Imam Husain from a better orator than Muffy. Also isn't by principle a Dai's job to tell his people the correct interpretation of scripture for the day and age? Otherwise what is the use of a Dai?
I have heard quite a few other orators on youtube mainly suggested through this forum and also heard a waaz of Taher but I still stand firmly on my opinion. And have you ever attended Mufaddal Moula’s ashara and paid attention to all details. Because Ashara is the time he does bayaan from Haqiqat (very high level of ilm). If not i feel very sorry for you.



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#82

Unread post by HMALAK » Sat Apr 07, 2018 1:28 am

Qadir wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 11:09 am
I wouldn’t try to agrue you HMALAK.
Because as you said that you are waiting for court to decide as who dai is, I am sure that you count as an ignorant and a stupid person.
Now I have been taught that Amir ul Mumineen Ali ibn Abi Talib said “ You have already lost the argument, if you are arguing with a fool.”
Also, I am 100% sure you won’t be able to haldle being a dai for a week. AC buggy is for mumineen to have good deedar. Try to sit on a sofa without moving your legs for 3 hours, because thats what Moula does during Qadambosi.
Brother Qadir, Please do not spread your venom here by calling anyone stupid or ignorant. My simple questions made you say Stupid and Ignorant.

I told that Court will decide because then who will decide who is right? I know you are from a group of people who do not believe in the rules of the Land.

I have just asked you some simple questions which I expect some constructive answers. If you have the answers then please give me.
We are here to do constructive debates and not fights.

Thank You



Moiz_Dhaanu
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#83

Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Sat Apr 07, 2018 2:49 am

@qadir. Just OMG :shock:
Seriously man...u have left this whole forum speechless.
This question had never been even attempted to be Answered ... and you not only attempted it , but actually came up with 10 .

You absolutely solidified my conviction as to what kind of naïve (na-samajh) and gullible(nadaan) following DMBS has for himself.

By the way HMALAK already has given a good reply to you ,

but my favorites were point 8,9 and 10 from your reply..they were chartbusters :wink:

Thanks for the free entertainment .

after reading ur 10 points , I assure you that I will never be able to control my laughter when I see or think of DMBS and his followers :mrgreen:
DMBS : Dawedaar Mufaddal Bhai Saheb



dal-chaval-palidu
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#84

Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Mon Apr 09, 2018 12:52 am

Does anyone know if anything worth noting was mentioned at the Zikra (Rajab 19th) majlis?

For example, 2 years back the injunction to carry out female katna in makfi (secret) was mentioned. Anything noteworthy this time?



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#85

Unread post by dal-chaval-palidu » Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:30 pm

HMALAK wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:06 am
Qadir wrote:
Thu Apr 05, 2018 3:01 pm
1. Ilm of Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin: Graduated from Al Jamea Tus-Saifiyah and Institute of Islamic Studies at Al-Azhar University. Held Amirul Jamea position for a long time under the leadership of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin.

2. Accompanied Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin to his first historic Yemen visit. So, we can say experience in the field.

3. Title of Aaliqadr from Syedna Taher Saifuddin.

4. Takes stand on opinions which he knows would make people feel frustrated but it is wrong according to Islam. Not like TF just do what feels right.

5. Does and encourages other mumineen to conduct upliftment drives for people living in a state of despair and poverty.

6. Fluent in Arabic and Hafiz-al Quran

7. Helped in the construction of Al Jamea-ul Anwar and other masajids in Cairo.

8. Does bayaan like no one else in the world.

9. Sits long hours for giving deedar even on Ashura after long day of fast and waaz. Does not cancel any program for mumineen dedaar even if he would be tired.

10. Goes to one town after another for mumineen without caring about himself.
Mr. Qadir, whatever you have listed here are not the qualities but the duty of the person sitting at that level.

To counter your list I would like to ask few of my questions:

1. Wasn't there thousand of people during the construction of Jameul Anwar?
2. He is 07th Grade Fail in Academic Education. He does not have any graduation certificate. Yes his son Mr. Jafarus Sadiq has one. Do not misguide.
3. Title of Aliqadr was given by Syedna Tahir Saifuddin but such titles are given to many Shehzadas or Shehzadis by Dais in present and past.
4. I agree with you that No one can do Bayaan like him as there is no time when he is doing Bayaan. He is just Reading what his Personal Secretary and Guru gives him.
5. He is not fluent in Arabic. Also not confident in speaking ENglish too. But language is not a criteria for judging.
6. He sits on a Couch with soft sheets. He sits in a AC Buggy and Chariot in the Julus. How come will he get tired my friend?
7. Yes he goes from one town to another, but have you heard how much money he or his family makes? I was the person who converted his cash into Gold when he came in Vadodara a couple of years back. I know what the money is, so better have your facts clear.
8. Why does he encourages people or us to uplift people? Why does not he directly uplift?

Please do not bash me as I am not a follower of Taher Fakhruddin either. I would not believe into anyone until the court decides who the actual Dai is.

Thank You
brother HMALAK,

Give us some idea of what were the amounts involved in a town the size of Baroda (bohra population of what, about 10000 ??) a few years back?

Was this when he spoke of the Alavi bohras and hoping that they "revert back to Dawoodi" fold?



HMALAK
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#86

Unread post by HMALAK » Tue Apr 10, 2018 3:03 am

dal-chaval-palidu wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 11:30 pm
HMALAK wrote:
Fri Apr 06, 2018 5:06 am


Mr. Qadir, whatever you have listed here are not the qualities but the duty of the person sitting at that level.

To counter your list I would like to ask few of my questions:

1. Wasn't there thousand of people during the construction of Jameul Anwar?
2. He is 07th Grade Fail in Academic Education. He does not have any graduation certificate. Yes his son Mr. Jafarus Sadiq has one. Do not misguide.
3. Title of Aliqadr was given by Syedna Tahir Saifuddin but such titles are given to many Shehzadas or Shehzadis by Dais in present and past.
4. I agree with you that No one can do Bayaan like him as there is no time when he is doing Bayaan. He is just Reading what his Personal Secretary and Guru gives him.
5. He is not fluent in Arabic. Also not confident in speaking ENglish too. But language is not a criteria for judging.
6. He sits on a Couch with soft sheets. He sits in a AC Buggy and Chariot in the Julus. How come will he get tired my friend?
7. Yes he goes from one town to another, but have you heard how much money he or his family makes? I was the person who converted his cash into Gold when he came in Vadodara a couple of years back. I know what the money is, so better have your facts clear.
8. Why does he encourages people or us to uplift people? Why does not he directly uplift?

Please do not bash me as I am not a follower of Taher Fakhruddin either. I would not believe into anyone until the court decides who the actual Dai is.

Thank You
brother HMALAK,

Give us some idea of what were the amounts involved in a town the size of Baroda (bohra population of what, about 10000 ??) a few years back?

Was this when he spoke of the Alavi bohras and hoping that they "revert back to Dawoodi" fold?
Every time one Syedna comes to Baroda, the matter of Alavi Bohras joining Dawoodi Fold is discussed. But every time the Dawoodis have one condition of not doing ziyarat of their families or forefathers which is halting the Alavis to hold back.
We should understand that Alavis also had one Syedna named Taiyab who sat over the Alavi Throne for some 30 odd years. They have huge respect for him.
So in my view, if they are told not to do ziyarat of their Past Dais they will definitely not agree with it.


About the amount, it was in Lakhs. But Bohras of Vadodara were also very strange and Shaana. Some of the Bohras gave Demand Draft worth 65-70 Lakhs and were Dishonored by Bank. Means they Thugaoing the Syedna Himself which made them go on converting the Old Cash (Demonetized) in Gold or taking only Gold from their Followers.

But Alas I gave them the idea, as the first family for taking Gold was my sister itself. :D :D



allbird
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Unread post by allbird » Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:09 am

Qadir bhai,

3. Well yes, he did say it and said it in India, where khafz is not illegal. Also, 'hubbul watan minal Iman' would not work if your nation has laws against Islam.

I was confused by your above point. since you are in USA are you NOT going to be lawful citizen or immigrant since it is not following Islamic Laws and against Khafz ? Will you Moula never visit US of A again for same reason ? Why did you even migrate there for studies. shouldn't you stayed with your beloved Aqa in India and help in cutting ceremonies doing Moula's work as directed.

You believe is quite contradictory to our following, if you love and follow MS for much shouldn't you go to Jamea as first preference. I don't know a single country where Khafz is legal that includes India. Is that why MS doesn't pay any taxes from his income ?



Qadir
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#88

Unread post by Qadir » Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:01 pm

allbird wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:09 am
Qadir bhai,

3. Well yes, he did say it and said it in India, where khafz is not illegal. Also, 'hubbul watan minal Iman' would not work if your nation has laws against Islam.

I was confused by your above point. since you are in USA are you NOT going to be lawful citizen or immigrant since it is not following Islamic Laws and against Khafz ? Will you Moula never visit US of A again for same reason ? Why did you even migrate there for studies. shouldn't you stayed with your beloved Aqa in India and help in cutting ceremonies doing Moula's work as directed.

You believe is quite contradictory to our following, if you love and follow MS for much shouldn't you go to Jamea as first preference. I don't know a single country where Khafz is legal that includes India. Is that why MS doesn't pay any taxes from his income ?
First of all, I am in USA with Aqa Moula's raza and he never forced me or anyone else to go to jamea.

Also, I am neither in favour nor against khafz. If and when I will have a daughter, I will follow the rulings of Dai uz Zaman and do amal as per his saying. Also, there is no ruling on not doing khafz in India.

If or not Syedna Mufaddal Saifudding pays tax, its not your place to say anything, its government's decision.



momeenbhai
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#89

Unread post by momeenbhai » Wed Apr 11, 2018 12:39 am

Qadir wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 12:01 pm
allbird wrote:
Tue Apr 10, 2018 8:09 am
Qadir bhai,

3. Well yes, he did say it and said it in India, where khafz is not illegal. Also, 'hubbul watan minal Iman' would not work if your nation has laws against Islam.

I was confused by your above point. since you are in USA are you NOT going to be lawful citizen or immigrant since it is not following Islamic Laws and against Khafz ? Will you Moula never visit US of A again for same reason ? Why did you even migrate there for studies. shouldn't you stayed with your beloved Aqa in India and help in cutting ceremonies doing Moula's work as directed.

You believe is quite contradictory to our following, if you love and follow MS for much shouldn't you go to Jamea as first preference. I don't know a single country where Khafz is legal that includes India. Is that why MS doesn't pay any taxes from his income ?
First of all, I am in USA with Aqa Moula's raza and he never forced me or anyone else to go to jamea.

Also, I am neither in favour nor against khafz. If and when I will have a daughter, I will follow the rulings of Dai uz Zaman and do amal as per his saying. Also, there is no ruling on not doing khafz in India.

If or not Syedna Mufaddal Saifudding pays tax, its not your place to say anything, its government's decision.

amazing to see moron like you who cant see wrongdoings of these thugs gets visa for the first world.

use your head and education and see how your masters are exploiting poor and using that money for their own use. ask your self that dai of Imam uz zaman should be behaving arrogantly towards people in this way?

ask your self Imam Ali lived a simple life for a reason, do these thugs following his footstep?



Bohra spring
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#90

Unread post by Bohra spring » Wed Apr 11, 2018 3:34 am

Allbird...did you just say as US recident and if have a daughter you will commit the crime of FGM .

Better don't let Oz find out....

Secondly is it not the point of preventing the dacoit SMS and his gang of thieves entering USA on false pretence.

Let him stay in India and Africa and loot his die hard slaves.