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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by zinger » Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:30 am

ajamali wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:49 pm
UnhappyBohra wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:24 pm

Are they showering adoration? I'd hate to see what they would do if they were actually trying to crush him. If this is the thoughtless and uncivic behavior inspired by a person, it is a poor reflection on him.
It must be a love-hate relationship....They love to be seen as loving him but in their hearts they hate him :roll:
i would disagree. most Bohras today actually go beyond loving him or revering him. what we are seeing today is blind fanatacism.

i have posed this question once before too. i dont ever remember seeing this kind of absolute devotion even to Burhanuddin Maula. there was always an enormous outpouring of love towards him, but it was never so vociferous or violent or strident even.

it almost seems like mass hysteria, when people see him

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by Qadir » Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:21 am

zinger wrote: Thu Jul 25, 2019 2:30 am
ajamali wrote: Wed Jul 24, 2019 3:49 pm It must be a love-hate relationship....They love to be seen as loving him but in their hearts they hate him :roll:
i would disagree. most Bohras today actually go beyond loving him or revering him. what we are seeing today is blind fanatacism.

i have posed this question once before too. i dont ever remember seeing this kind of absolute devotion even to Burhanuddin Maula. there was always an enormous outpouring of love towards him, but it was never so vociferous or violent or strident even.

it almost seems like mass hysteria, when people see him
Its actually a new trend not unique to us bohras. People born in and after late 20th century are in constant need of looking upto someone. Someone who they can follow and go to great lengths for them. You can see it with good and bad people. Bad people like Trump, Putin, Modi, leaders of terrorist groups. Good people are Pope, Dalai Lama, Aga Khan, Ravi Shankar etc.

A person’s ideology can only change if the person they follow or celebrate tells them to believe something differently then they do. So until Moula doesn’t say to hate Hindus or Jews or Sunnis or even other Shias and as long as ask his followers to profess Harmony, they will continue to do so until they follow him.

According to best of my knowledge the video of women crowding is from Surat and it was a qadambosi bethak before Moula was set to depart from Surat. For years, there was a system of ikram where people would give hoob for getting to do qadambosi on last day before wada. But this year they kept it open for all and this happened. I believe it would’ve been better if they would keep an early management in place and not allow more people inside the building to avoid delays. I believe that these women were at the greatest fault. I know they would’ve been guided many times in the line to maintain decorum and asked to sit when Moula was ready to leave.

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by zinger » Fri Jul 26, 2019 1:37 am

Qadir wrote: Fri Jul 26, 2019 12:21 am But this year they kept it open for all and this happened. I believe it would’ve been better if they would keep an early management in place and not allow more people inside the building to avoid delays. I believe that these women were at the greatest fault. I know they would’ve been guided many times in the line to maintain decorum and asked to sit when Moula was ready to leave.
Brother Qadir,

no doubt, it was partly lack of management. Which is why i said that the men were more interested in maintaining calm, rather than copping a feel like some have suggested here. and it was partly the insanity of the women too.

which is what i am questioning.. What is it, in this modern day and age, that is causing peoeple to become so fanatic in their behaviour? Fanatic mind you, not devoted, but fanatic.

and thirdly, could Mufaddal Maula not just do 'ishara' to the ladies "shaant thai jao"? im assuming there was no mike, so just his gesture would work

i think the only was for him to realise is for once, to remove his entire security detail. then, when he gets mobbed to the point of being lynched, he will hopefully realise what a bunch of fanatics he has made the community become

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by juzer esmail » Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:35 pm

We just treated Mufaddal Saifuddin, the supreme leader of the Bohra community. He was airlifted from Bandarawela after a fall sustaining a clavicular fracture, bilateral haemothorax, possible pelvic fracture and was suffering from dyspnoea. We just transferred him to BIA to be taken to Singapore by an air-ambulance. Could've easily managed locally but his entourage said that money was not an issue and that they wanted to take him to Sg. Cost for air-ambulance is north of LKR 10 million.

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by ajamali » Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:20 am

Jewate hamna as accident. thayu ane tartej air ambulance mangaawi ,karoro rupuya kharach kari ne aik jhatka ma saify hospital ponhchi gaya ,ane burhanuddin aaqa wafat thaya jewre mumeneen na azeem sahara sidhari gaya,pura aalam ma matam no kohram machi gayo teware as mansoos pote Colombo ma dunya dari karta hata ,itnu mohtu sitam guzri paru teware kem itni jaldi mumbai na ponhchi saka ???khalaaeq na bawa fajere 7am wafat thai gaya ane sagla ne khaber 11am kari sukam??Mumeneen as ghanu gaor karwa jewu che,yarabbulaalameen sagluj Jane che ,pan apne bhi socho ,
Aaje khud per guzri to karoro rupya khrachi nakha ,ane hamara shareware bawa wafat thaya to late night thai gai to na aaya ,17,18,klaak pachi pota na bawa waste aaya ,saw a Alwin che ,kem te waqt karoro rupya nohta ???

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by Qadir » Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:29 am

ajamali wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:20 am Jewate hamna as accident. thayu ane tartej air ambulance mangaawi ,karoro rupuya kharach kari ne aik jhatka ma saify hospital ponhchi gaya ,ane burhanuddin aaqa wafat thaya jewre mumeneen na azeem sahara sidhari gaya,pura aalam ma matam no kohram machi gayo teware as mansoos pote Colombo ma dunya dari karta hata ,itnu mohtu sitam guzri paru teware kem itni jaldi mumbai na ponhchi saka ???khalaaeq na bawa fajere 7am wafat thai gaya ane sagla ne khaber 11am kari sukam??Mumeneen as ghanu gaor karwa jewu che,yarabbulaalameen sagluj Jane che ,pan apne bhi socho ,
Aaje khud per guzri to karoro rupya khrachi nakha ,ane hamara shareware bawa wafat thaya to late night thai gai to na aaya ,17,18,klaak pachi pota na bawa waste aaya ,saw a Alwin che ,kem te waqt karoro rupya nohta ???
That is so vile and untrue. First of all if you have a receipt for the air ambulance then please do forward it. Just because someone said that they were ready to spend crores for air ambulance you said so. There are multiple types of air ambulances so we don’t know what were the specifics so we can’t assume the cost. For short flights from colombo to mumbai an air ambulance can cost between 20 lakhs to 2 crores.

And then why go back 5 years and compare a totally different scenario. Syedna Burhanuddin was not ill, he was dead. If he would have spent crores at that time, it would have actually been a waste, unlike this time when it was an emergency.

I would like to request the admin to delete ajamali’s post.

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by Moiz_Dhaanu » Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:14 pm

Qadir wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:29 am
ajamali wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:20 am Jewate hamna as accident. thayu ane tartej air ambulance mangaawi ,karoro rupuya kharach kari ne aik jhatka ma saify hospital ponhchi gaya ,ane burhanuddin aaqa wafat thaya jewre mumeneen na azeem sahara sidhari gaya,pura aalam ma matam no kohram machi gayo teware as mansoos pote Colombo ma dunya dari karta hata ,itnu mohtu sitam guzri paru teware kem itni jaldi mumbai na ponhchi saka ???khalaaeq na bawa fajere 7am wafat thai gaya ane sagla ne khaber 11am kari sukam??Mumeneen as ghanu gaor karwa jewu che,yarabbulaalameen sagluj Jane che ,pan apne bhi socho ,
Aaje khud per guzri to karoro rupya khrachi nakha ,ane hamara shareware bawa wafat thaya to late night thai gai to na aaya ,17,18,klaak pachi pota na bawa waste aaya ,saw a Alwin che ,kem te waqt karoro rupya nohta ???
That is so vile and untrue. First of all if you have a receipt for the air ambulance then please do forward it. Just because someone said that they were ready to spend crores for air ambulance you said so. There are multiple types of air ambulances so we don’t know what were the specifics so we can’t assume the cost. For short flights from colombo to mumbai an air ambulance can cost between 20 lakhs to 2 crores.

And then why go back 5 years and compare a totally different scenario. Syedna Burhanuddin was not ill, he was dead. If he would have spent crores at that time, it would have actually been a waste, unlike this time when it was an emergency.

I would like to request the admin to delete ajamali’s post.
THE CHOICE OF Words(bolded above) , you have used for the wafat of Burhanuddin mola(RA) says a lot about your character and the type of following DMBS has ….."kahan se kahan inko pahucha diya" :mrgreen:

Also I wonder, were the farishts in the khidmat of DMBS on a break? ..how did they allow him to fall on the first place :wink:

anyways , I wonder if this is just a ploy to get sympathy and more "Walwalo" from the crazies before the muharram, towards DMBS , now that he is loosing his grip on the community.
DMBS : Dawedar Mufaddal Bhai saheb

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Re: Bohra whatsapp duniya 2018

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Unread post by ajamali » Fri Aug 02, 2019 12:35 pm

Qadir wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 10:29 am
ajamali wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 8:20 am Jewate hamna as accident. thayu ane tartej air ambulance mangaawi ,karoro rupuya kharach kari ne aik jhatka ma saify hospital ponhchi gaya ,ane burhanuddin aaqa wafat thaya jewre mumeneen na azeem sahara sidhari gaya,pura aalam ma matam no kohram machi gayo teware as mansoos pote Colombo ma dunya dari karta hata ,itnu mohtu sitam guzri paru teware kem itni jaldi mumbai na ponhchi saka ???khalaaeq na bawa fajere 7am wafat thai gaya ane sagla ne khaber 11am kari sukam??Mumeneen as ghanu gaor karwa jewu che,yarabbulaalameen sagluj Jane che ,pan apne bhi socho ,
Aaje khud per guzri to karoro rupya khrachi nakha ,ane hamara shareware bawa wafat thaya to late night thai gai to na aaya ,17,18,klaak pachi pota na bawa waste aaya ,saw a Alwin che ,kem te waqt karoro rupya nohta ???
That is so vile and untrue. First of all if you have a receipt for the air ambulance then please do forward it. Just because someone said that they were ready to spend crores for air ambulance you said so. There are multiple types of air ambulances so we don’t know what were the specifics so we can’t assume the cost. For short flights from colombo to mumbai an air ambulance can cost between 20 lakhs to 2 crores.

And then why go back 5 years and compare a totally different scenario. Syedna Burhanuddin was not ill, he was dead. If he would have spent crores at that time, it would have actually been a waste, unlike this time when it was an emergency.

I would like to request the admin to delete ajamali’s post.
As Moiz D points out, the choice of words is telling. Indeed a charter flight would have been far cheaper than an air ambulance for an immediate arrival in Mumbai. AND YET it took 17-18 hours to arrive. I guess he had important worldly business to take care first ....

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