Sticky: Dawoodi Bohra's Succession of Dai Case in Mumbai High Court

[james]

The court did decide on this matter.


Likelihood, probability, balance, preponderance, prudence.

The Plaintiff fails on all counts.

No sir, the Court dismissed the case -- that is its considered decision. It did not rule on who the rightful or legitimate Dai is. The court said it had no say in the matter.

Whether the Defendant proves that a valid
Nass was conferred on him by the 52nd Dai:
(a) On 28th January 1969 YES
(b) In the year 2005 YES
(c) On 4th June 2011 YES
(d) On 20th June 2011 YES

[Humsafar]

The court looked at the facts, and the Plaintiff failed to prove that the Nass was made on him, and also failed to disprove the instances of Nass defendant had presented. In the absence of sufficient evidence by the Plaintiff the court threw out the case (and rightly so). The court ruled on the evidence, not on the legitimacy of the Dai. And this was my contention in my first post on this subject.

[Reporter]

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[Sheikh Ali sadiq]

Even though the court may have dismissed the case, there is substantial evidence in the religious context supporting that SKQ did not lie:

1. Tenure as Mazoon: SKQ served as Mazoon for 50 years, a position of high trust and integrity.

2. Infallibility of Mazoon: A Mazoon is expected to be truthful at all times. If a Mazoon could lie, it would undermine the credibility of the religious hierarchy.

3. Swearing on the Quran: SKQ held the Quran and swore to his truthfulness, a significant act in the religious context that underscores his honesty.

4. MS’s Uncertainty: Even after 10 years, MS appears unsure and lacks confidence about his position.

5. Lack of Evidence from MS: MS has not provided any substantial proof to counter SKQ's claims.

These points suggest that, from a religious standpoint, SKQ's honesty remains credible and unquestionable.

[james]

The court looked at the facts, and the Plaintiff failed to prove that the Nass was made on him, and also failed to disprove the instances of Nass defendant had presented. In the absence of sufficient evidence by the Plaintiff the court threw out the case (and rightly so). The court ruled on the evidence, not on the legitimacy of the Dai. And this was my contention in my first post on this subject.

Not true. The judgement was right. It was not for the court to decide on this matter.

You mentioned "it was not for the court to decide on this matter" whereas the judgment given by the Bombay High Court Judge did decide on this matter. It is quite dishonest of you to not even own up to your own posts.

[Fatema Yamani]

Even though the court may have dismissed the case, there is substantial evidence in the religious context supporting that SKQ did not lie:

1. Tenure as Mazoon: SKQ served as Mazoon for 50 years, a position of high trust and integrity.

2. Infallibility of Mazoon: A Mazoon is expected to be truthful at all times. If a Mazoon could lie, it would undermine the credibility of the religious hierarchy.

3. Swearing on the Quran: SKQ held the Quran and swore to his truthfulness, a significant act in the religious context that underscores his honesty.

4. MS’s Uncertainty: Even after 10 years, MS appears unsure and lacks confidence about his position.

5. Lack of Evidence from MS: MS has not provided any substantial proof to counter SKQ's claims.

These points suggest that, from a religious standpoint, SKQ's honesty remains credible and unquestionable.

This should be the last post on this thread

[alivasan]

Even though the court may have dismissed the case, there is substantial evidence in the religious context supporting that SKQ did not lie:

1. Tenure as Mazoon: SKQ served as Mazoon for 50 years, a position of high trust and integrity.

2. Infallibility of Mazoon: A Mazoon is expected to be truthful at all times. If a Mazoon could lie, it would undermine the credibility of the religious hierarchy.

3. Swearing on the Quran: SKQ held the Quran and swore to his truthfulness, a significant act in the religious context that underscores his honesty.

4. MS’s Uncertainty: Even after 10 years, MS appears unsure and lacks confidence about his position.

5. Lack of Evidence from MS: MS has not provided any substantial proof to counter SKQ's claims.

These points suggest that, from a religious standpoint, SKQ's honesty remains credible and unquestionable.

This should be the last post on this thread

did tahir file the case in supreme court? What is the update on that?

[Sheikh Ali sadiq]

He should NOT waste any more time and money in courts now...truth is out there already

Even though the court may have dismissed the case, there is substantial evidence in the religious context supporting that SKQ did not lie:

1. Tenure as Mazoon: SKQ served as Mazoon for 50 years, a position of high trust and integrity.

2. Infallibility of Mazoon: A Mazoon is expected to be truthful at all times. If a Mazoon could lie, it would undermine the credibility of the religious hierarchy.

3. Swearing on the Quran: SKQ held the Quran and swore to his truthfulness, a significant act in the religious context that underscores his honesty.

4. MS’s Uncertainty: Even after 10 years, MS appears unsure and lacks confidence about his position.

5. Lack of Evidence from MS: MS has not provided any substantial proof to counter SKQ's claims.

These points suggest that, from a religious standpoint, SKQ's honesty remains credible and unquestionable.

[zinger]

Not true. The judgement was right. It was not for the court to decide on this matter.

Should have mentioned that in first or second hearing and should not have wasted 9 years.

the court can and had advised both parties that this is a matter not for the courts.
however, if someone comes knocking on the doors of the court for justice, the courts cannot turn them away.

it is right of every individual to seek legal recourse and the court was merely fulfilling its duties

[zinger]

Even though the court may have dismissed the case, there is substantial evidence in the religious context supporting that SKQ did not lie:

1. Tenure as Mazoon: SKQ served as Mazoon for 50 years, a position of high trust and integrity.

2. Infallibility of Mazoon: A Mazoon is expected to be truthful at all times. If a Mazoon could lie, it would undermine the credibility of the religious hierarchy.

3. Swearing on the Quran: SKQ held the Quran and swore to his truthfulness, a significant act in the religious context that underscores his honesty.

4. MS’s Uncertainty: Even after 10 years, MS appears unsure and lacks confidence about his position.

5. Lack of Evidence from MS: MS has not provided any substantial proof to counter SKQ's claims.

These points suggest that, from a religious standpoint, SKQ's honesty remains credible and unquestionable.

whatever the judgement, fact remains that both, Syedna Qutbuddin and Syedna Fakhruddin held the Quran Sharif in their hands and proclaimed that they spoke the truth.

that is proof enough for me and it should be, for any God-fearing Muslim in the world.

the court case was lost, fine. But they have won the battle of Haq.

[Humsafar]

Not true. The judgement was right. It was not for the court to decide on this matter.

You mentioned "it was not for the court to decide on this matter" whereas the judgment given by the Bombay High Court Judge did decide on this matter. It is quite dishonest of you to not even own up to your own posts.

The judgement of the court to dismiss the case was right. The court did not rule on the matter of the legitimacy of the Dai. It was not for the court to decide on this "doctrinal" matter. If you think to assert this is being dishonest then so be it.

[Moiz_Dhaanu]

True reasons of DMBS getting the court case dismissed are still coming out slowly...
No Shame .. DMBS and his followers are not even muslims

[james]

You mentioned "it was not for the court to decide on this matter" whereas the judgment given by the Bombay High Court Judge did decide on this matter. It is quite dishonest of you to not even own up to your own posts.

The judgement of the court to dismiss the case was right. The court did not rule on the matter of the legitimacy of the Dai. It was not for the court to decide on this "doctrinal" matter. If you think to assert this is being dishonest then so be it.

You will need to explain what you mean by "legitimacy of the Dai" Because the Bombay High Court case was never about "legitimacy of the Dai"

Khuzaima approached the Bombay High Court asking it to declare him the 53rd Dai of the Dawoodi Bohras Community. The court did examine "doctrine" as well to come up with the judgement. Are you trying to be obtuse here?

[james]

Even though the court may have dismissed the case, there is substantial evidence in the religious context supporting that SKQ did not lie:

1. Tenure as Mazoon: SKQ served as Mazoon for 50 years, a position of high trust and integrity.

2. Infallibility of Mazoon: A Mazoon is expected to be truthful at all times. If a Mazoon could lie, it would undermine the credibility of the religious hierarchy.

3. Swearing on the Quran: SKQ held the Quran and swore to his truthfulness, a significant act in the religious context that underscores his honesty.

4. MS’s Uncertainty: Even after 10 years, MS appears unsure and lacks confidence about his position.

5. Lack of Evidence from MS: MS has not provided any substantial proof to counter SKQ's claims.

These points suggest that, from a religious standpoint, SKQ's honesty remains credible and unquestionable.

whatever the judgement, fact remains that both, Syedna Qutbuddin and Syedna Fakhruddin held the Quran Sharif in their hands and proclaimed that they spoke the truth.

that is proof enough for me and it should be, for any God-fearing Muslim in the world.

the court case was lost, fine. But they have won the battle of Haq.

Now if only establishing the truth was so easy that one just has to hold the Quran Majeed and it automatically proves you to be truthful... Then there was/is no need for Qazis or any other legal system for "God-fearing Muslims"

Don't know what would happen if both parties take the Quran Majeed in the hand...Perhaps you can also bring a precedent where the issue of Nass was solved by taking Quran Majeed in hand. (Don't search you won't find it)

This also reminds me of a certain event in the battle of Siffin..

What was the need for Bombay High Court case when taking Quran in hand was proof enough for every God-fearing Muslim? Surely Khuzaima and Taher know more than you and if you knew this...they should also know this...

[Sheikh Ali sadiq]

In that case MS should also hold Quran as it was also challenged by STF in recent waez.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00XJQo5 ... atemiDawat



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[Kaka Akela]

A thing of Gold doesn't have to shout and scream to say i am Gold because it is obvious to people who know Gold from Brass. Only a thing of Brass need to scream and shout (equivalent to taking Quran in hand) to convince people that i am not Brass I am Gold.

[realbohras]

A thing of Gold doesn't have to shout and scream to say i am Gold because it is obvious to people who know Gold from Brass. Only a thing of Brass need to scream and shout (equivalent to taking Quran in hand) to convince people that i am not Brass I am Gold.

This is your thing of gold? https://realbohras.com/2024/05/18/ivi-s ... howi-joye/

Or is it this one? https://realbohras.com/2024/05/17/bairo ... nat-parse/

Feel free to peruse, lot more where that came from.

[Fatema Yamani]

A thing of Gold doesn't have to shout and scream to say i am Gold because it is obvious to people who know Gold from Brass. Only a thing of Brass need to scream and shout (equivalent to taking Quran in hand) to convince people that i am not Brass I am Gold.

True

That's why I suggest MS should stop buying fake degrees and awards from governments by paying them hefty sum of community money. He should prove himself as dai by doing some thing solid in real world. Enough of faking it.

[Kaka Akela]

First of all I don't think you are a female from the rough language you use, so you're a fake yourself.

SMS is not a fake and doesn't buy fake degrees. He does genuine works of charity or for betterment of humanity.
He constructs and donates buildings for law students, pharmacy students and many others. Aligarh Muslim university begged him to be their Chancellor. He is genuine Gold and titles and awards drop at his feet. What has your Brass dai done??

[Sheikh Ali sadiq]

First of all I don't think you are a female from the rough language you use, so you're a fake yourself.

SMS is not a fake and doesn't buy fake degrees. He does genuine works of charity or for betterment of humanity.
He constructs and donates buildings for law students, pharmacy students and many others. Aligarh Muslim university begged him to be their Chancellor. He is genuine Gold and titles and awards drop at his feet. What has your Brass dai done??

Name 10 charities he is doing fi sabilillah for betterment of community and world?

waiting for the reply......................

[Sheikh Ali sadiq]

Even though the court may have dismissed the case, there is substantial evidence in the religious context supporting that SKQ did not lie:

1. Tenure as Mazoon: SKQ served as Mazoon for 50 years, a position of high trust and integrity.

2. Infallibility of Mazoon: A Mazoon is expected to be truthful at all times. If a Mazoon could lie, it would undermine the credibility of the religious hierarchy.

3. Swearing on the Quran: SKQ held the Quran and swore to his truthfulness, a significant act in the religious context that underscores his honesty.

4. MS’s Uncertainty: Even after 10 years, MS appears unsure and lacks confidence about his position.

5. Lack of Evidence from MS: MS has not provided any substantial proof to counter SKQ's claims.

These points suggest that, from a religious standpoint, SKQ's honesty remains credible and unquestionable.

[Sheikh Ali sadiq]

First of all I don't think you are a female from the rough language you use, so you're a fake yourself.

SMS is not a fake and doesn't buy fake degrees. He does genuine works of charity or for betterment of humanity.
He constructs and donates buildings for law students, pharmacy students and many others. Aligarh Muslim university begged him to be their Chancellor. He is genuine Gold and titles and awards drop at his feet. What has your Brass dai done??

As usual Kaka Thakela went in slumber.....

[Kaka Akela]

Of course i am thakela, you would be too of your my age of 89. Mein akela :: tum dushmao hazaar
I have many other things to do with my life, than to be here fighting with bunch of losers like yourself.
Your name here shows that you are a fake, because you are neither a sheik nor a sadiq. Who gave you sheik-panu?? You just took that name to insult a high rutba in Fatemi dawat as well as Dawoodi Dawat to show your contempt. I can answer each and every stone of yours with a stone but i don't want to get down in the gutter for it. When i get tired fighting with one,10 others are ready to relieve you but i have to continue alone. Hen you know you are wrong and still keep the facade of being right, then you are some kind of special stupid and no wise person would want to argue with stupids. Making yourself a sheik doesn't gloss over your stupidity, it shows through.
Yes, i am thakela and thank you for recognizing it.

[Sheikh Ali sadiq]

Of course i am thakela, you would be too of your my age of 89. Mein akela :: tum dushmao hazaar
I have many other things to do with my life, than to be here fighting with bunch of losers like yourself.
Your name here shows that you are a fake, because you are neither a sheik nor a sadiq. Who gave you sheik-panu?? You just took that name to insult a high rutba in Fatemi dawat as well as Dawoodi Dawat to show your contempt. I can answer each and every stone of yours with a stone but i don't want to get down in the gutter for it. When i get tired fighting with one,10 others are ready to relieve you but i have to continue alone. Hen you know you are wrong and still keep the facade of being right, then you are some kind of special stupid and no wise person would want to argue with stupids. Making yourself a sheik doesn't gloss over your stupidity, it shows through.
Yes, i am thakela and thank you for recognizing it.

at the age of 89 you surely have lots of time in hands, and yes you are really thakela because you wrote all this but didnt reply to my question.... Most MS followers are dumb and hypocrite and LIAR too.

waiting for reply Mr Thakela

Name 10 charities he is doing fi sabilillah for betterment of community and world?

waiting for the reply......................

[Fatema Yamani]

Most MS followers never give logical reply. Either they start abusing or start crying.

[zinger]

whatever the judgement, fact remains that both, Syedna Qutbuddin and Syedna Fakhruddin held the Quran Sharif in their hands and proclaimed that they spoke the truth.

that is proof enough for me and it should be, for any God-fearing Muslim in the world.

the court case was lost, fine. But they have won the battle of Haq.

Now if only establishing the truth was so easy that one just has to hold the Quran Majeed and it automatically proves you to be truthful... Then there was/is no need for Qazis or any other legal system for "God-fearing Muslims" - Yes, it is that easy. Unless you believe that it is ok to take the Quran Shareef in your hand and lie through your teeth.

Don't know what would happen if both parties take the Quran Majeed in the hand...Perhaps you can also bring a precedent where the issue of Nass was solved by taking Quran Majeed in hand. (Don't search you won't find it) Wont bother to find it because i have perhaps just a minute percentage of the knowledge you posses.

This also reminds me of a certain event in the battle of Siffin..

What was the need for Bombay High Court case when taking Quran in hand was proof enough for every God-fearing Muslim? Surely Khuzaima and Taher know more than you and if you knew this...they should also know this... i have my hypothesis on this. and it links to point 1. the average DB today is so brainwashed like modi andhbhakts, that they dont even realise the value of proclaiming the truth with the Quran Shareef in their hand. For them, it might just be another book. Remember that Qutbuddin Maula had also held the Quran Shareef in his hand and proclaimed he was telling the truth. What did you and the likes of you do? called him dawedaar, associated him with a dog, burst crackers on his death etc... all classic yazidi behaviour

my answers above, in bold

[james]

Yes, it is that easy. Unless you believe that it is ok to take the Quran Shareef in your hand and lie through your teeth.

This whole "holding Quran in hand= Absolute Truth" is a new one. Khuzaima held the Quran back in 2014. Yet that time you didn't believe him to be truthful based on him holding Quran. Khuzaima did lie through his teeth when he held the Quran back in 2014 and this is reflected in the judgement given by the Bombay High Court.

Wont bother to find it because i have perhaps just a minute percentage of the knowledge you posses.

There is absolutely no precedent where Nass issue is sorted by taking Quran in the hand. However, people against Imam Ali AS in the battle of Siffin did raise the Quran on their spears and said "Let the Book of God be the Judge between us".

i have my hypothesis on this. and it links to point 1. the average DB today is so brainwashed like modi andhbhakts, that they dont even realise the value of proclaiming the truth with the Quran Shareef in their hand. For them, it might just be another book. Remember that Qutbuddin Maula had also held the Quran Shareef in his hand and proclaimed he was telling the truth. What did you and the likes of you do? called him dawedaar, associated him with a dog, burst crackers on his death etc... all classic yazidi behaviour

It's ironic you can't bring even one precedent where Nass issue is resolved by taking Quran in hand and yet you call an average Dawoodi bohra to be brainwashed. You should look at yourself in the mirror...You have accepted the Nass on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS in the past and also said that Khuzaima's proof is almost non-existent and now after the court case is lost you circle back to a night in 2014 and say that is the action of absolute haq. Even you who is not brainwashed as an average Dawoodi bohra *cough didn't think much of this action back in 2014 and now it's everything for you and enough for you to discard the judgement because of this said action.

It was Khuzaima and his ilk who sent WhatsApp messages to every average or non-average Dawoodi bohra after wafaat and compared Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS and his family to awwal saani saalith (Nauzobillah)

He wilfully didn't attend the Janaza Mubarakah of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA and stopped his followers from attending the Janaza Mubarakah and then they had the gall to send WhatsApp messages to everyone saying that dushmans stopped us from janazah mubarakah??!!

Claimant in dawat ni zaban is called Dawedaar. His daughters used small children after Wafaat and shared a video where they pay allegiance to Khuzaima under duress. That behavior is not along the lines of humanity... Worse than dogs? Yes.

[yfm]

Are you a bohra or an Israeli? I have never heard the name James. If you are ashamed of using a bohra name, then shame on you. if you are a afraid of using your real name then I would suggest as in the God Father, the Godfather admonishes his godson by saying to him " be a man, don't cry like a woman". Think about it James.

if you come on this site where everyone is afraid of the Kothar and the fake Dai's, then don't come in as a coward. Don't join the club of cowards. Be a man and try to reform.

[zinger]

Yes, it is that easy. Unless you believe that it is ok to take the Quran Shareef in your hand and lie through your teeth.

This whole "holding Quran in hand= Absolute Truth" is a new one. Khuzaima held the Quran back in 2014. Yet that time you didn't believe him to be truthful based on him holding Quran. Khuzaima did lie through his teeth when he held the Quran back in 2014 and this is reflected in the judgement given by the Bombay High Court.

Who says i didnt believe him? i was convinced from that moment on, that Syedna Qutbuddin spoke the truth.

Wont bother to find it because i have perhaps just a minute percentage of the knowledge you posses.

There is absolutely no precedent where Nass issue is sorted by taking Quran in the hand. However, people against Imam Ali AS in the battle of Siffin did raise the Quran on their spears and said "Let the Book of God be the Judge between us".

Which is why, i said, i dont even have an iota of the knowledge you have, so i shall take your word for it. Are my words difficult to comprehend for you perhaps?

i have my hypothesis on this. and it links to point 1. the average DB today is so brainwashed like modi andhbhakts, that they dont even realise the value of proclaiming the truth with the Quran Shareef in their hand. For them, it might just be another book. Remember that Qutbuddin Maula had also held the Quran Shareef in his hand and proclaimed he was telling the truth. What did you and the likes of you do? called him dawedaar, associated him with a dog, burst crackers on his death etc... all classic yazidi behaviour

It's ironic you can't bring even one precedent where Nass issue is resolved by taking Quran in hand and yet you call an average Dawoodi bohra to be brainwashed. You should look at yourself in the mirror...You have accepted the Nass on Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS in the past BULLSHIT. Show me where!
and also said that Khuzaima's proof is almost non-existent BULLSHIT. Show me where!
and now after the court case is lost you circle back to a night in 2014 and say that is the action of absolute haq. Even you who is not brainwashed as an average Dawoodi bohra *cough didn't think much of this action back in 2014 and now it's everything for you and enough for you to discard the judgement because of this said action.

It was Khuzaima and his ilk who sent WhatsApp messages to every average or non-average Dawoodi bohra after wafaat and compared Syedna Mufaddal Saifuddin TUS and his family to awwal saani saalith (Nauzobillah)
Oh yeah? and what about your brother in arms, that jamea jackass kicking a dog and calling it daawedar? what about aamil's cronies going to peoples houses telling them to say lanat on Syedna Qutbuddin? Mayhaps SMS deserves to be called that

He wilfully didn't attend the Janaza Mubarakah of Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin RA and stopped his followers from attending the Janaza Mubarakah and then they had the gall to send WhatsApp messages to everyone saying that dushmans stopped us from janazah mubarakah??!!

Claimant in dawat ni zaban is called Dawedaar.
His daughters used small children after Wafaat and shared a video where they pay allegiance to Khuzaima under duress. That behavior is not along the lines of humanity... Worse than dogs? Yes.

And your muffy maula has led the entire community to the level of dogs, licking spoons, bowing to hindu priests, muffy hugging nanga sadhu, hugging the butcher of muslims etc

[Fatema Yamani]

A thing of Gold doesn't have to shout and scream to say i am Gold because it is obvious to people who know Gold from Brass. Only a thing of Brass need to scream and shout (equivalent to taking Quran in hand) to convince people that i am not Brass I am Gold.

This is your thing of gold? https://realbohras.com/2024/05/18/ivi-s ... howi-joye/

Or is it this one? https://realbohras.com/2024/05/17/bairo ... nat-parse/

Feel free to peruse, lot more where that came from.

You promised 1 video every day


3 days passed no uploads?