To all,
Mo wrote in another thread:
"Anyway at the madlis in nairobi on friday apperantly maulana enjoyed his shikar but there was no mention of which animals did sajdo to him and why are the official bohra sites like malumaat.com giving a news black out or is it tht that the administrators can't stomack reporting the killing of innocent animals."
---So far...you're the only one that knows about any hunting Sayedna (tus) has done currently. Like you mention, not one report. You say you heard the "shikar story" in your jamat on Friday...that's odd. Any official news of the Dai is transmitted to every jamat..not just one. So what did happen...or has all this been empty talk...again.
The so-called hunting trip.
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Qiyam
please don't be stupid o.k his holiness did go on the hunting trip if you care to look at the malumatt sight theres a picture of him returing to daresalam in what looks like a helicopter please where was he during the time of the thum washeq and when he came back.
If you have any relos in nairobi you can ask them as it was cleary announced by sheikh hussein hebetullah that Maulana did shikar with great shaan whatever that means.
Please it seems like even you can't stomack maulana hunting animals so now you want to calim that he doesn't partake in it at all.
please don't be stupid o.k his holiness did go on the hunting trip if you care to look at the malumatt sight theres a picture of him returing to daresalam in what looks like a helicopter please where was he during the time of the thum washeq and when he came back.
If you have any relos in nairobi you can ask them as it was cleary announced by sheikh hussein hebetullah that Maulana did shikar with great shaan whatever that means.
Please it seems like even you can't stomack maulana hunting animals so now you want to calim that he doesn't partake in it at all.
Re: The so-called hunting trip.
Qiyam, what do you know about Bohras community? Nothing as usual. Keep living in your own make believe world.
Re: The so-called hunting trip.
Dear Mo,
"please don't be stupid o.k his holiness did go on the hunting trip if you care to look at the malumatt sight theres a picture of him returing to daresalam in what looks like a helicopter please where was he during the time of the thum washeq and when he came back."
--I did check...not one picture or mention of a trip or helicopter. The only pictures are him leaving the charter plane (not helicopter) when arriving to Dar Salam on 23 Shaban. Other than that..no official info.
"please don't be stupid o.k his holiness did go on the hunting trip if you care to look at the malumatt sight theres a picture of him returing to daresalam in what looks like a helicopter please where was he during the time of the thum washeq and when he came back."
--I did check...not one picture or mention of a trip or helicopter. The only pictures are him leaving the charter plane (not helicopter) when arriving to Dar Salam on 23 Shaban. Other than that..no official info.
Re: The so-called hunting trip.
and where was he arriving from on the 23 of shaban a beach holiday in zanzibar pleas i even know of people who have been organising this trip as it does take months of preperation please even if you want to clear maulanas name by saying he didn't go on any hunting trip facts still remain that he did go on one last time he was here and according to the announcement at the makdam madlis in nairobi on friday just before maulana left for india he enjoyed the shikar. Ask anybody at that madlis or are we all making it up.
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Re: The so-called hunting trip.
Br Qiyam: So you came to conclusion too fast that he did not go for hunting trip! So where was he for the whole week that they blanked out the news?Malumaat is very anxious to publish his photos & details of each day when he visits the foreign country!So it is your turn to tell us where was HE ? Please don't tell any lies !
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So where did Aqua Moula come to Dar-es-salaam from? We thought he was in Dar-es-salaam already!!
However, there has been a complete black-out of the news of his whereabouts since Shab-e-baraat celebration in Dar-es-salaam.
One wonders why?
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October 29th)
Baad e Salaam,
Huzurala TUS arrived again in Dar Es Salaam today morning at about 11 am.
There were two planes, one carrying Huzurala TUS and the other with Shahzada Sahebs. Mumineen in very large numbers, lead by Janab Amil Saheb,
were present to receive Huzurala TUS at the terminal 1 airport. A large number of Al Madrassa tus Saifiya farzandos were also present.
Mumineen were very anxious to receive MoulaTUS and were blessed with Salaami and deedar. Tabassum and happiness was visible on Huzurala's face.
Huzurala TUS proceeded from the airport to Shk Zulfiqar Burhani's residence.
Photos of Huzurala's arrival shall be posted on Malumaat.com shortly. More information about other activities shall be published once they become available.
May Allah the Almighty grant our beloved Moula TUS a very healthy, long and a prosperous life until the day of Qayamat, Ameen
(Akhbar report courtesy of Hassan Alibhai, Malumaat.com, Dar es Salaam,
Tanzania)
However, there has been a complete black-out of the news of his whereabouts since Shab-e-baraat celebration in Dar-es-salaam.
One wonders why?
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October 29th)
Baad e Salaam,
Huzurala TUS arrived again in Dar Es Salaam today morning at about 11 am.
There were two planes, one carrying Huzurala TUS and the other with Shahzada Sahebs. Mumineen in very large numbers, lead by Janab Amil Saheb,
were present to receive Huzurala TUS at the terminal 1 airport. A large number of Al Madrassa tus Saifiya farzandos were also present.
Mumineen were very anxious to receive MoulaTUS and were blessed with Salaami and deedar. Tabassum and happiness was visible on Huzurala's face.
Huzurala TUS proceeded from the airport to Shk Zulfiqar Burhani's residence.
Photos of Huzurala's arrival shall be posted on Malumaat.com shortly. More information about other activities shall be published once they become available.
May Allah the Almighty grant our beloved Moula TUS a very healthy, long and a prosperous life until the day of Qayamat, Ameen
(Akhbar report courtesy of Hassan Alibhai, Malumaat.com, Dar es Salaam,
Tanzania)
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Qiyam eat your words:
the attached is an excerpt from the e-mail from MFK Creations etc.on DBNET, Kothari webiste: Please refer to the line which, among other things, indicate:
"Khidmat Guzaars of Tafreeh excursion at Camp Site."
This is the luxurious hunting camp outside Dar-es-salaam. Apologize if you are a MAN!!!!!!
Shaban Ul Karim 1423.
Aqa Moula T.U.S. bestowed barakaat qudsaniyah on Mumineen and Ebadullah
of Dares salaam during his 14 days stay in Tanzania.
A single day of the visit of this Fatemi Sultan surpassed the eras of
great emperors of the world.
During Aqa Moula's T.U.S. stay in Dar es salaam following mumineen
received the sharaf of rendering Ziafaat :-
Sheikh Jabirbhai Sheikh Esmailbhai Hassanali
Khidmat Guzaars of Tafreeh excursion at Camp Site.
Sheikh Zulfikarbhai & Sheikh Zainuddinbhai Burhani
Majmui Ziyafat By: Sheikh Shamoun Tapya, Bhai Juzer Alibhai, Mulla Juzer
& Mulla Mufaddal Badri, Bhai Husseinbhai Yusufali Haiderbhai & Bhai
Muqarram Aminjee.
Sheikh Nuruddin Jamalee & Brothers
Sheikh Hatimbhai Ezzi
Marhum Mulla Zakirhussein Mamawalla Family
Burhani Women Association, Bunnayat Ul Eid Ez zahabi & Talebaat Ul
Kuliyah Til Mumenaat
the attached is an excerpt from the e-mail from MFK Creations etc.on DBNET, Kothari webiste: Please refer to the line which, among other things, indicate:
"Khidmat Guzaars of Tafreeh excursion at Camp Site."
This is the luxurious hunting camp outside Dar-es-salaam. Apologize if you are a MAN!!!!!!
Shaban Ul Karim 1423.
Aqa Moula T.U.S. bestowed barakaat qudsaniyah on Mumineen and Ebadullah
of Dares salaam during his 14 days stay in Tanzania.
A single day of the visit of this Fatemi Sultan surpassed the eras of
great emperors of the world.
During Aqa Moula's T.U.S. stay in Dar es salaam following mumineen
received the sharaf of rendering Ziafaat :-
Sheikh Jabirbhai Sheikh Esmailbhai Hassanali
Khidmat Guzaars of Tafreeh excursion at Camp Site.
Sheikh Zulfikarbhai & Sheikh Zainuddinbhai Burhani
Majmui Ziyafat By: Sheikh Shamoun Tapya, Bhai Juzer Alibhai, Mulla Juzer
& Mulla Mufaddal Badri, Bhai Husseinbhai Yusufali Haiderbhai & Bhai
Muqarram Aminjee.
Sheikh Nuruddin Jamalee & Brothers
Sheikh Hatimbhai Ezzi
Marhum Mulla Zakirhussein Mamawalla Family
Burhani Women Association, Bunnayat Ul Eid Ez zahabi & Talebaat Ul
Kuliyah Til Mumenaat
Re: The so-called hunting trip.
Dear Mo and Mumineen,
Eat my words regarding what??? I didn't say Mo was lying. I stated clearly, other than his report, there has been no official words. If that statement refering to "camp site" is for the shikari...then so be it...Maula (tus) possibly went on a shikari trip. Why is that so strange?? He went on one last year.
Eat my words regarding what??? I didn't say Mo was lying. I stated clearly, other than his report, there has been no official words. If that statement refering to "camp site" is for the shikari...then so be it...Maula (tus) possibly went on a shikari trip. Why is that so strange?? He went on one last year.
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Re: The so-called hunting trip.
Br Qiyam: Yes it does sound strange that a religious head goes for a hunting trip! Have you heard of any other religious heads like Pope,rabbi,Swaminarayan or Shankracharyas ever gone for a hunting trip?but I forgot -We are not religion but a cult & he behaves more like a Sultan (His Sons being called Shehzadas)!
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Dear Mhd. Hussain,
I believe in another thread...where I proved game hunting is allowed within Islam.
Whether any other priest or whatever doesn't really matter...does it.
I believe in another thread...where I proved game hunting is allowed within Islam.
Whether any other priest or whatever doesn't really matter...does it.
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Qiyam - here he/she/it goes again!!
If he/she/it gets caught (with his pants/saya down) with a blatant lie, he/she/it bobs and weaves and tries to obfuscate and enhance the lies all the more till it sounds like a truth; or changes the subject, this time excusing, rationalising, explaining that game hunting is allowed in Islam or nowhere in Islam game is forbidden.
I will invite the readers to go through qiyam's following excerpts of posts and determine for themselves what he had transmitted before.
"---So far...you're the only one that knows about any hunting Sayedna (tus) has done currently. Like you mention, not one report. You say you heard the "shikar story" in your jamat on Friday...that's odd. Any official news of the Dai is transmitted to every jamat..not just one. So what did happen...or has all this been empty talk...again. "
"--I did check...not one picture or mention of a trip or helicopter. The only pictures are him leaving the charter plane (not helicopter) when arriving to Dar Salam on 23 Shaban. Other than that..no official info"
If he/she/it gets caught (with his pants/saya down) with a blatant lie, he/she/it bobs and weaves and tries to obfuscate and enhance the lies all the more till it sounds like a truth; or changes the subject, this time excusing, rationalising, explaining that game hunting is allowed in Islam or nowhere in Islam game is forbidden.
I will invite the readers to go through qiyam's following excerpts of posts and determine for themselves what he had transmitted before.
"---So far...you're the only one that knows about any hunting Sayedna (tus) has done currently. Like you mention, not one report. You say you heard the "shikar story" in your jamat on Friday...that's odd. Any official news of the Dai is transmitted to every jamat..not just one. So what did happen...or has all this been empty talk...again. "
"--I did check...not one picture or mention of a trip or helicopter. The only pictures are him leaving the charter plane (not helicopter) when arriving to Dar Salam on 23 Shaban. Other than that..no official info"
Re: The so-called hunting trip.
Dear Mumineen,
Did I, in any thing you quoted, state or imply that Mo was lying. No. In fact I was asking the same statement he actually made...why was no info being relay if what he said happen actually happened?
Mo being in Dars Salem would know more accurately of info there...so I didn't deny his claims.
Did I change the subject...I made the original post!
And the thread that this thread originates from was a discussion of the Islamic validaty of game hunting....which I clearly proved was allowed.
Did I, in any thing you quoted, state or imply that Mo was lying. No. In fact I was asking the same statement he actually made...why was no info being relay if what he said happen actually happened?
Mo being in Dars Salem would know more accurately of info there...so I didn't deny his claims.
Did I change the subject...I made the original post!
And the thread that this thread originates from was a discussion of the Islamic validaty of game hunting....which I clearly proved was allowed.
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Qiyam:
So what's the heading or subject of the post YOU changed to from previous "Hunting trip" to this "The so called hunting trip". Unless you have problems with the English Language, what does your heading insinuate?
I know it is the Month of Ramadhan and we should all be civil, but we can't help BUT this time say in some politically correct terminology to you
"GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY "
So what's the heading or subject of the post YOU changed to from previous "Hunting trip" to this "The so called hunting trip". Unless you have problems with the English Language, what does your heading insinuate?
I know it is the Month of Ramadhan and we should all be civil, but we can't help BUT this time say in some politically correct terminology to you
"GO FORTH AND MULTIPLY "
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Dear Mumineen,
The "so-called hunting trip" thread was started when the only info we had was what Mo had written. The statement insinuates "so-called" because the only info is Mo word. Nothing else. I even quoted what Mo wrote. Even now all we know is what Mo writes and the line you quote from the email which was an official email.
What so is your point?
The "so-called hunting trip" thread was started when the only info we had was what Mo had written. The statement insinuates "so-called" because the only info is Mo word. Nothing else. I even quoted what Mo wrote. Even now all we know is what Mo writes and the line you quote from the email which was an official email.
What so is your point?
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Qiyam:
My point is that you are a pathological and unadulterated liar and what part of the word LIAR you do not seem to comprehend?
My point is that you are a pathological and unadulterated liar and what part of the word LIAR you do not seem to comprehend?
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I almost came to Qiyam's defense since there appeared to be no evidence that the Hunting Trip existed.
This goes to an earlier point I made in a discussion with Qiyam. Our "experiences" are real, and the fact that Qiyam wouldn't have believed it unless and until an "official site" announced it is indicative of what we are dealing with here.
...let us keep an open mind .....
This goes to an earlier point I made in a discussion with Qiyam. Our "experiences" are real, and the fact that Qiyam wouldn't have believed it unless and until an "official site" announced it is indicative of what we are dealing with here.
...let us keep an open mind .....
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Didn’t the Old man of Dawat shoot an elephant last year?
Check malumat mailing list under old archieve & you would have the picture of Dai back in 70’s or 60s standing beside a dead cheetah.
The Dai and his family kills animal for fun.
You don’t always get access the sensationalized news like the Taizoon bhaisaheb total exposure or the Jamia womanizer on the front page of Dawoodi Bohras web site.
These things are usual hushed down. It seems you don’t know anything about Dawoodi Bohras community.
Check malumat mailing list under old archieve & you would have the picture of Dai back in 70’s or 60s standing beside a dead cheetah.
The Dai and his family kills animal for fun.
You don’t always get access the sensationalized news like the Taizoon bhaisaheb total exposure or the Jamia womanizer on the front page of Dawoodi Bohras web site.
These things are usual hushed down. It seems you don’t know anything about Dawoodi Bohras community.
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Dear Godbless and Jinx,
I have no point is denying if Sayedna (tus) hunt or not. I've already proven it is Islamically correct...your opinions are your opinions, I am not arguing them. Malumaat has many pictures of Sayedna (tus) hunting last year...what is there to hide.
I have no point is denying if Sayedna (tus) hunt or not. I've already proven it is Islamically correct...your opinions are your opinions, I am not arguing them. Malumaat has many pictures of Sayedna (tus) hunting last year...what is there to hide.
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Actually, according to the Quran and Sunnah, a Muslim has to discharge
his moral responsibility not only to his parents, relatives and
neighbors but to the entire mankind, animals and trees and plants. For
example, hunting of birds and animals for the sake of game is not
permitted. Similarly, cutting trees and plants which yield fruit is
forbidden unless there is a very pressing need for it.
source:-
islam <http://groups.google.com/groups?group=s ... gion.islam>'
I think Qiyam follows his own version of islam!
his moral responsibility not only to his parents, relatives and
neighbors but to the entire mankind, animals and trees and plants. For
example, hunting of birds and animals for the sake of game is not
permitted. Similarly, cutting trees and plants which yield fruit is
forbidden unless there is a very pressing need for it.
source:-
islam <http://groups.google.com/groups?group=s ... gion.islam>'
I think Qiyam follows his own version of islam!
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Dear Brothers,
Aqa Moula(tus)did kill an elephant and water buffalo.Killing an elephant is US$1000 and buffalo US$200.He also very generously donated US$250.000 to Karzah Hassana for benefits of mumineens.I hope this will clear any misunderstanding.
Abde Syedna,
Alihussein
Aqa Moula(tus)did kill an elephant and water buffalo.Killing an elephant is US$1000 and buffalo US$200.He also very generously donated US$250.000 to Karzah Hassana for benefits of mumineens.I hope this will clear any misunderstanding.
Abde Syedna,
Alihussein
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Brother Qiyam,
When you say that hunting is Islamically correct, are you saying this because it is not explicitly prohibited in the quran, or is it explicitly allowed in the quran?
When you say that hunting is Islamically correct, are you saying this because it is not explicitly prohibited in the quran, or is it explicitly allowed in the quran?
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Yo Scumbag,
...killing 3000 civilans "are you saying this because it is not explicitly prohibited in the quran, or is it explicitly allowed in the quran?"
...having a brain.., "are you saying this because it is not explicitly prohibited in the quran, or is it explicitly allowed in the quran? "
...killing 3000 civilans "are you saying this because it is not explicitly prohibited in the quran, or is it explicitly allowed in the quran?"
...having a brain.., "are you saying this because it is not explicitly prohibited in the quran, or is it explicitly allowed in the quran? "
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Yo faggot,
Understand the context of the question before you butt in and waste everybody's time.
A wise man once said "Do not try to jump on a moving train", I guess wise sayings are too much for you to comprehend.
Man, why the hell am I responding to a faggot in any case!!
Understand the context of the question before you butt in and waste everybody's time.
A wise man once said "Do not try to jump on a moving train", I guess wise sayings are too much for you to comprehend.
Man, why the hell am I responding to a faggot in any case!!
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Yo faggot,
you seem to be a white ass licker, do you know how many deaths have been caused by your white masters, 40 million only during world war 2, and how many of those were civilians. But hey faggots enjoy licking white asses.
you seem to be a white ass licker, do you know how many deaths have been caused by your white masters, 40 million only during world war 2, and how many of those were civilians. But hey faggots enjoy licking white asses.
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Wow ! You seem to attempt a twisted recollection of history ! ""are you saying this because it is not explicitly prohibited in the quran, or is it explicitly allowed in the quran?"
Get a brain Scarecrow....."or is it explicitly allowed in the quran?"
Get a brain Scarecrow....."or is it explicitly allowed in the quran?"
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Re: The so-called hunting trip.
Br Jariwala: You wrote: "He also very generously donated US$250.000 to Karzah Hassana for benefits of mumineens.I hope this will clear any misunderstanding.
Abde Syedna,"Do you know that money from Karzah Hassna are not donated to the mumins but they are loaned against a deposit of gold jewellery which is forfeited most of the times when the loan is repaid so where is the so called generous donation? Wake up & smell the cofeee before it is too late! By the way are you the one who was complaining about the Amil -& Wajebaats?
Abde Syedna,"Do you know that money from Karzah Hassna are not donated to the mumins but they are loaned against a deposit of gold jewellery which is forfeited most of the times when the loan is repaid so where is the so called generous donation? Wake up & smell the cofeee before it is too late! By the way are you the one who was complaining about the Amil -& Wajebaats?
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Now that I have the brain dead scarecrow out of the picture;
"I've already proven it is Islamically correct"
I have nothing against hunting, though I personally don't because I think it shouldn't be a sport, but a necessity. The Law of the Jungle has survived the test of time. It is not about being "Islamically correct or "is it explicitly allowed in the quran?". There is a God that has blessed us with a conscience. I would consider going hunting with my own money, but there are Bohras living a measly existence, who give all they have to the various taxes justified by the Dai, in spite of their hardship.
Should the Dai and his son's (who are arguably unemployed) charter private planes for this excursion? My conscience says that it is wrong. What does your conscience tell you Qiyam ?
"I've already proven it is Islamically correct"
I have nothing against hunting, though I personally don't because I think it shouldn't be a sport, but a necessity. The Law of the Jungle has survived the test of time. It is not about being "Islamically correct or "is it explicitly allowed in the quran?". There is a God that has blessed us with a conscience. I would consider going hunting with my own money, but there are Bohras living a measly existence, who give all they have to the various taxes justified by the Dai, in spite of their hardship.
Should the Dai and his son's (who are arguably unemployed) charter private planes for this excursion? My conscience says that it is wrong. What does your conscience tell you Qiyam ?
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Dear Muddai,
I have yet to comprehend what was meant by the last couple of posted so I won't comment on it.
"The Law of the Jungle"...this is an darwining law...which has yet to be proven.
"I would consider going hunting with my own money, but there are Bohras living a measly existence, who give all they have to the various taxes justified by the Dai, in spite of their hardship."
---Firstly, what you call taxes are things required by Islam..not the Dai. Allah says to pay the zakat and khums.
"Should the Dai and his son's (who are arguably unemployed) charter private planes for this excursion? My conscience says that it is wrong. What does your conscience tell you Qiyam ?"
---Actually, rich muminin in Dars Salam footed the bill to take the Dai and his son's on the excursion. It was also rich muminin who begged Maulana (tus) to come back to Dars Salam. So you ask..what does my conscience tell me?? If my fellow brother in faith asked me to go on a trip, doing something I enjoy, and he would foot the bill...why in my right mind would I refuse??? What would you say?
I have yet to comprehend what was meant by the last couple of posted so I won't comment on it.
"The Law of the Jungle"...this is an darwining law...which has yet to be proven.
"I would consider going hunting with my own money, but there are Bohras living a measly existence, who give all they have to the various taxes justified by the Dai, in spite of their hardship."
---Firstly, what you call taxes are things required by Islam..not the Dai. Allah says to pay the zakat and khums.
"Should the Dai and his son's (who are arguably unemployed) charter private planes for this excursion? My conscience says that it is wrong. What does your conscience tell you Qiyam ?"
---Actually, rich muminin in Dars Salam footed the bill to take the Dai and his son's on the excursion. It was also rich muminin who begged Maulana (tus) to come back to Dars Salam. So you ask..what does my conscience tell me?? If my fellow brother in faith asked me to go on a trip, doing something I enjoy, and he would foot the bill...why in my right mind would I refuse??? What would you say?