SAIFUDDIN AND BURHANUDDIN'S ATROCITIES

[SAJJAD]

This poem is written from Burhanuddin's perspective:

"On My Way to Hell"

Before I begin to go to hell,

There is something I wish to tell.

Because I think that you should know,

Life is full of foibles and foes.

Every corner I turn, every step I take,

There are tons of mistakes that I did make.

I have upset the Almighty with my sins.

The punishment of going to hell is like lying on pins.

Robberies,Innovations,Atrocities,Affairs and Crimes I have committed,

These are all things for which I am admitted.

For all my life I have been a rebel,

Now I am going down to meet the devil.

Soon I will be on my way to Satan,

I already know that he is awaitin'.

Look at me my soul is lost,

Doing bad things comes at a very great cost.

[jinx]

Amen !

May he rest in hell.

[Tasneem]

Astaghfirullah! may he (tus) get one of the highest places in heaven

May you both burn in the deepest part of Hell with all the other fools!
Ameen

[anajmi]

Aqa Maula zindabad zindabad zindabad.

This is a new thing that bohra kids in the chicago area are required to claim at the beginning of every class.

When they say that TUS stands for Tamaam Ulluon no Sardar, they aren't kidding.

[Tasneem]

what class are you talking about?

and TUS stands for tawal allaho umrahu sharif ila yaumudeen

[Anwar]

And what does that mean, Tasneem?
Anajmi´s explaination is simple, understandable and makes sense.

[Al_Imaan]

just testing

[Al_Imaan]

to Tasneem ...
Dear tasneem

to introduce my self i am from udaipur...

i have been living here since ages and i have been seeing these reformist trying to spew their posion and in just brain washing or i should say brain damaging business. nothing has happened and they have failed in their work . they could never ever think of becoming successful that is why they have opened this website where one dog barks at the the other and the other dog responds to it in the same way ...
during ashara 1425 i met this gentle man from udaipur itself who showed tafadi and mohabath for aqa moula tus and told me that he was once with these bunch of fools and he did not get anything in return .

and when he realised that he had been following people who will take him to hell he immd came back to the track ...

It is absolutely no use to tell them anything ..
instead you should analyise them
see when ever you see a these reformist you will not find any noor on their face.
they sit near roza and beg for money .
where ever they go they drink alcohol, pork, zinnah and so on ..

On the other hand we the true dawoodi bohras have been living in all parts of world and see ourselves and see these animals ...

I would like to end up here by saying
"dawaat ki dushmani main . ho jaoenge bhikaari
ho jaoenge zalil aur hogi tumhari khwari"

I feel like saying that even hell will feel shy in accomodating these fools who are trained by ali asghar engineer.

thanking you
Shabbir

[Al_Imaan]

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[Tasneem]

Originally posted by Anwar:
And what does that mean, Tasneem?
Anajmi´s explaination is simple, understandable and makes sense.

what does what mean, i was asking what class was he talking about? if it is so simple and understandable why don't you tell me? it wasn't a trick question or anything, just something i'm curious about

Shabbir, yeah i know what you're talking about, finding this site was a terrible mistake, i just replied because these people accused moula (tus) of such terrible things and i could not control myself. A lot of these people refer to themselves as bohras (talk about hypocrits) and they go against the very being we believe in. only Allah can help them now. well, LA on them is the kindest thing i can say to them now...

w/s

[Anwar]

Tasneem,your explaination of TUS ="tawal allaho umrahu sharif ila yaumudeen " and my question is what does this mean? What I ment by "explaination is simple, understandable and makes sense" is TUS=tamaan ulluona sardaar.
Welcome Shabbir Kothari on this forum, but just dont mention to any of your kothari colleagues or you will be ex-communicated.(baraat in your kothari language)You are from Udaipur and you go on to say "i have been living here since ages", shows what knowledge you have of your brothers and sisters in other part of the world. I do not say I know a lot, but I have come accross both kotharis and reformists in Africa(Kenya) mainland Europe and UK, America and Canada,not to mention India and Pakistan too. And let me tell you many of your colleages can be seen in Pubs in UK , not very far from your London masjit before and during boaring majlis.Drinking alkohol is not a monopoly of reformists, or any group as a whole. You go on to say "they sit near roza and beg for money" what roza are you talking about. Not the one in Mumbai I hope, cos I have been there(Not once, I have infact lived nearby long enough) and I have seen a lots of beggars who are our mumeen brothers with their family too at times. Its heart breaking to see them begging infront of one of the holiest places according to kothar. Have you been to mumbai slums or do you know of any bohra family living there? I know.And what are you talking about this gentleman you met, will he end up in haven by following your moula TUS? Does your moula TUS,issue the visas? Is this how you have been brainwashed by your moula TUS,in beleiving that by following him TUS you will end up in haven? At least tasneem has admitted that only Allah can help them,and not your moula TUS.Yes there are some dogs that bark and those who respond, dogs like you haha. You could not have said it better.

[Humsafar]

Shabbir Kothari, (what a name, wearing "kothari as a badge of pride!!!)

To respond to you is to dignify your bark.

But somebody has to do the dirty work lest small-minded, semi-literate and clueless pettifoggers like you start believing in your own barks.

If you are from Udaipur then you should know the history of the reform movement there. That this movement has been going on for more than 30 years must count for something. The institutions - democratic jamaat, banks, schools, medical centres, welfare societies, libraries - that we have established and sustained during this time are testimony to the success of reformists in Udaipur. And keep in mind that we have achieved this amidst a constant lack of financial resources, fighting endless court cases and struggling with mindless "kotharis" like you at every step of the way. We even survived the betrayal of our own turn-coat leaders who went back "on track" thinking that the rest of us will follow them blindly. But they did not realise that the greatest gift the reform movement has given us is to "think for ourselves." The backstabbing of these turncoats have done the reform movement a lot of damage, but it has only made us stronger - our commitment to dignity, frugality, accountability and local-level jamaat democracy is deep and widespread.

The people like you who have mortgaged their true faith to a cruel and petty cult will not even begin to understand the significance of the alternatives we reformists in Udaipur have provided. We have blazed a trail in the history of dawoodi bohras. That a bunch of us could not allow the Sayedna to enter Udaipur for 25 years must count for something. True, as I never fail to mention, not everything is perfect. And they can never be. What we are seeking is not perfection but alternatives. We have shown how the rest of the Bohra community can be like - if only the current feckless flock of white-clad, rida-wrapped zombies would care to pause, think, listen, understand.

Please try to think before you bark.

[Average Bohra]

Shabbir,

Are you for real or are you sharing Tasneem's Tooth Brush ?

[Z]

By disrespecting the chair and the person of the Dai, you are attacking a signficant pivot or essence of the community. You are hiding behind (and even discarded) your so called reformist / welfare agenda. What makes you think you can call yourself Dawoodi Bohras and hope to attract the so called "affected" Bohras to your fold.

A simple count of the no. of mails attacking the Dai can give away your real intent to even a lay outsider.