[url=http://f_januwala.tripod.com/fitnat/id2.html]http://f_januwala.tripod.com/fitnat/id2.html[/url]
Those who read the above article may be interested in the parallel between what it describes is going on now in Daawat and very similar circumstances that, according to most non-Bohra scholars, transpired during the succession to Imam Mustansir.
Many Bohras speculate that Sayedna Taher Saifuddin understood that his son, Sayedna Burhanuddin, was weak in administrative ability and therefore he appointed Yusuf Najmuddin to be the real power behind the throne of Daawat. Following the death of Yusuf Najmuddin, the mantle seems to have passed on to his son, Badr al-Jamaali. The latter apparently wants Daawat to pass on to his brother-in-law Mufaddal, and hence a burgeoning conspiracy to weaken Mazoon’s claim through Zahir-Batin heresy and gunda-giri. While Yusuf Najmuddin was committed to Daawat, his son, Badr al-Jamali is more ambitious for his sister.
Flashback to succession battle between Mustaali and Nizar, sons of Imam Mustansir. Badr al-Jamaali (uncanny sameness of names) was a Wazir to Imam Mustansir. Badr al-Jamali wanted Mustaali to succeed in preference to Nizar on whom Imam Mustansir had already pronounced Nass. Mustaali was son-in-law of Badr al-Jamali, who died before he could see Mustali on throne of Imamat. Badr al-Jamali was succeded to Wazirate by his son Afzal Shah, who succeded in installing his brother-in-law Mustaali to Fatimid Imamat in Cairo after fratricide leading to murder of Nizar.
This view of history will be challenged by Bohras. Main plank of Bohra version is inclusion of an Arthurian legend (drawing of sword from stone) to legitimize Mustaali’s succession. I do not recall the legend precisely. Others may care to contribute.
History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and pres
Re: History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and pres
Thank you br Porus
I think most of the informed bohras know that Burhanuddin is just a puppet and strings are pulled by Yusuf Najmuddin bast*rd.
I think most of the informed bohras know that Burhanuddin is just a puppet and strings are pulled by Yusuf Najmuddin bast*rd.
Re: History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and pres
Now why would you put a " * " in place of the " a "
seems more like those western ladies trying to hide their private parts with micro bikins
by the way the url given does not work
Dilber
seems more like those western ladies trying to hide their private parts with micro bikins
by the way the url given does not work
Dilber
Re: History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and pres
The link is working now, here is the article. Admin, pls free to edit my post if it is too long.
Naam Khidmat Kaam Fitnat
Hebatullahs' Fitnat to Deport Syedi Mazoon Saheb from Africa in 1989/1409H (With Evidence)
I recieved this email yesterday. It details the power structure of the Shezadas who was controling Dawat and creating a wall between and Haq and Batil
Badrul Jamali (BJ for short) and his family are now controlling the administration of Dawat! They can beat up mumineen they dont like (Mansoor / Shabbir Yamani in Surat) and do fitnat against Mazoon Sahib all the time and get away with it! First Question is why? Why do they do that? Its obvious to most intelligent mumineen that they do it for worldly reasons. To get more power and to keep that power all the time. The reason I Say THEY is that its not just Badrul Jamali alone. His brothers, sisters and his whole family are with him. They are all supporting and helping his evil activities enjoying material benefits for themselves.
But the second question is even more serious. Why are Aqa Moulas (TUS) Shehzadas aligning themselves with him, especially Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb, whom I respected quite a bit before it became very clear to me that he is supportive of all of BJs activities. Shezada Sahebs wife is Badrul Jamalis sister, so BJ is always protected no matter how much he terrorizes mumineen. We are at a time in the history of Dawat when a big fitnat is being planned right under our noses. One could hardly imagine that people in high places could act harmfully towards Dawat. Today, many mumineen are beginning to discover just that.
Badrul Jamali and associates are using Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb to practice their evil activities, oppress mumineen and instill fear in mumineens hearts. On the other hand, they do propaganda of displaying Shezada Sahib as the chosen one. The fact that Shehzada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb relies on such people like Badrul Jamali and Mohammad Hasan of Cairo speaks a lot about Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisahebs own character. Instead of learning from Aqa Moula TUS, this Shehzada seems to have received his training from his Sasra - Yusuf Bhaisaheb Najmuddin the Father of BJ.
It was obvious that when Aqa Moula TUS made young Khuzema Bhaisaheb Mazoon-e-Dawar, old Yusuf Bhaisaheb was very upset. Everybody knew that. Now BJ and associates want us to believe Yusuf Bhaisaheb is some kind of a saint! Yusuf Bhaisaheb infact is the one who has sown these evil seeds in Saify Mahal and Kothar and Jamea and corrupted their minds. They have chosen Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb as their Leader, and are openly saying they will not accept anything else. Otherwise why this opposition and Muqaabla of Mazoon Saheb? Why this open Challenge to Aqa Moula TUS? They are not willing to even accept Mazoon as Mazoon as we learn from Taizoon Bhaisaheb (http://www.zahirbatin.com) who revealed their beliefs to the community. The general mumineen think this is an internal family fued. FAR FROM IT. This cult attacks our Dai Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin TUS with their shameful activities and atrocities on mumineen. To stand on the side and let this cult impose themselves on us mumineen is more shameful.
Mohammad Hasan of Misr said in the Izhar-e-Aqidat Majlis in Saify Masjid Mumbai that we dont want 1, 2, 3, we just believe in one. Is this not a little bit like the Sunni Muslims! Is it not true that Imam-uz-Zamans presence in Satr is by these 3 Rutbas-Dai, his zayre dast Mazoon and Mukasir. Then what compels Mohammed Hasan to say this? Why does he talk against Mazoon and Mukasir and drives the propaganda machine for Shehzada saheb through his cronies in Misr? To say that to call Shehzada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb Moula is OK, but to call Mazoon Saheb Moula is a gunah? Mazoon Sahib was appointed in that Rutba by Aqa Moula TUS since he is worthy of it, and on the other hand, Shezada Saheb needs to be propped up by this propaganda machine of Aamils, Jamea and Tanzeem etc, all of whom are obviously dependant on this group and their leader for their well being.
When Shezada. Mufaddal Bhaisaheb started pressuring mumineen to do Vajebaat 2 times more, 3 times more, and some even 10 times more this year in Ramadan, this group supported the idea no matter how absurd it was. Low-income mumineen were pressured to give Vajebaat of amounts that constituted 50% of their years income or their safai chithi was refused! Aamils and Khidmat Guzars were made to pay extreme amounts than their last years Vajebaat, and all those who did not have the money were given loans. Vajebaat means what is Vajeb on what you have, so if you have to take a loan, then you never had it in the first place! And where will these so called Khidmat Guzars get the money from? Obviously from the community. I cant wait to see what happens next year! Double again?
Aqa Moula TUS has never said to give Vajebaat by taking loan. Then who runs this parallel show? Everyone knows it is Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb and his group. They dont care about the poor mumineen in our community, for I know for a fact how the money is distributed amongst their loved ones. Zohra baisaheb, the wife of Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb gives her hand to men to do Salaam and they kiss it!! Since when does she have Mehram with so many men, or is she trying to fill the vacuum left by beloved Busaheba?
Seems like Badrul Jamali and group have already proclaimed their own leader and do not want to wait for Aqa Moula TUS. True Ikhlaas would be to do doa for Aqa Moulas TUS Long life till Qiyamat and Zuhur of Imam on Moulas hand, not by self proclamation! This tasawwur of Ikhlaas was given by none other than Mazoon Saheb to one of my friends.
Mukasir Saheb made it very clear in one of his Sabaqs in Mumbai recently when he said that the Rutba and Rutba na Sahib, meaning the person in the Rutba are the same. He totally negated the fundamental lie of Zahir-Batin propagated by this Nifaaqi group and said that only Dushmans of Dawat would propagate such a this Tasawwur. He said much more and clarified that to NOT believe in any one of the Rutba na Saheb is Nifaaq.
BJ and associates tried to beat up Taizoon Bhaisaheb by sending members of Burhani Gaurds and Ezzi family members, who are all hardcore supporters of Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb. If you read his website [url=http://www.zahirbatin.com,]www.zahirbatin.com,[/url] he describes the horror he faced in detail, Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb should never have talked ill of Mazoon Moula to Taizoon Bhaisaheb. The fact that these people resort to violence and call violence Mohabbat nu Josh speaks a lot about them.
Then we have this great lawyer, Mustafa AbdulHussain in London, who writes on Dbnet and mumineen.org that Taizoon bhaisaheb's exposing of this Nifaaqi ZahirBatin belief in this manner of putting it up on the website and sending CDs to people is questionable! He says that Taizoon's claim that he had to resort to these means because he could not do Araz to Aqa Moula TUS means that he (taizoon) believes that the Dai is unaware of the situation, if the situation exists, and that if we believe that the Dai can be unaware, then we believe that the Dai is not infallible (infallible means Masoom/Ismat). This is the weakest belief one can have. The Dai is aware of everything the almighty makes him aware of and sees by the light of Allah and Imam, but also lets some things be as they are for Hikmat purposes. There are many examples of that. For example see what Januwala has on his website: [url=http://f_januwala.tripod.com/]http://f_januwala.tripod.com/[/url]
Moula Ali AS cut the hands of a man who was actually not guilty of committing that crime, so do we say he is not infallible! Mr. Mustafa the lawyer may have a degree in law, but he does not have 10 cents worth of knowledge regarding Dawat Ilm. I am sorry to say this, but calling Taizoon a reformist as Mustafa Abdul Husain has done, is committing a big SIN as he has called a mumin a munafiq and by doing so, as per bayan of Syedna Hatim RA in Kitab Tambih al Gafeleen, he, Mustafa, himself is now a munafiq unless he repents!! Of course there is pressure on the Dai and as seen in History, Rasulullah SAW went to do battle of Ohud outside Madina due to pressure from others, when actually Rasulullah's SAW opinion and decision was to fight by staying in Madina. So yes, these things are possible and can happen as per Hikmat. Aqa Moula TUS took the name of Mukasir in this Gadir Misaaq and said it is Syedi Saleh bhaisaheb Safiuddin. Everyone knows this and most understand that it can happen. The Human factor is there, but the Dai is greater than Malaikat because he does what he does even being in this Human Body, where else even Malaikat have faltered after being totally spiritual (as per bayan in Adam Nabi history). The Dai is infallible, yes, and the true meaning is that he will never pass away without conferring Nass on his Mansoos. Moula Burhanuddin TUS will never pass away without conferring Nass, but I do doa that may Allah grant Aqa Moula TUS his wish that Imam does Zuhur on his hands.
What next everyone wonders? Now that this cult is spreading lies about Mazoon Moula and speaking openly against the Qasam we take in Misaq, are we just going to sit and do nothing? The best way to show them that they cannot move mumineen from the right path to their evil motives (see picture no.1 which is attached to this document) is to show our love for our Aqa Moula TUS and his Mazoon and Mukasir whenever the opportunity arises. We should let our friends and family be aware of this corrupt cult within our community, even if those people are from the Royal Family (QasrAali) or your own Aamil. Our misaaq is not to the Shehzada or Royal Family or Aamil or who has the power. That is not what takes us to heaven. It is the belief in Aqa Moula TUS and what he tells us to believe in- his Mazoon and Mukasir. Everything else is irrelevant. Dont let Badrul Jamali and his group fool you even if they have the backing of the high and mighty Shehzadas. Lets be truthful to ourselves and keep our faith and not let the Shaitaan steal it, like it did from the Sunnis who dont pray Bismillah in Namaz saying Shaitaan has stolen it. To speak against Rutba na Sahebs is like doing the work of Shaitaan. The Rutbas and everything else is Aqa Moulas TUS responsibility, lets not do the sin by trying to take that responsibility from Moula TUS. May Allah give Moula TUS life till Qiyamat.
Ameen
Mamluk-e-Syedna TUS
Mumin Mukhlis-Khidmat Guzar
I am from Royal Family-Saify Mahal-Have taken Sabaq from Mukasir - e - Dawat, who has always given Haq ni Tasawwur. May Allah give him Jazaa - e - Khair.
Naam Khidmat Kaam Fitnat
Hebatullahs' Fitnat to Deport Syedi Mazoon Saheb from Africa in 1989/1409H (With Evidence)
I recieved this email yesterday. It details the power structure of the Shezadas who was controling Dawat and creating a wall between and Haq and Batil
Badrul Jamali (BJ for short) and his family are now controlling the administration of Dawat! They can beat up mumineen they dont like (Mansoor / Shabbir Yamani in Surat) and do fitnat against Mazoon Sahib all the time and get away with it! First Question is why? Why do they do that? Its obvious to most intelligent mumineen that they do it for worldly reasons. To get more power and to keep that power all the time. The reason I Say THEY is that its not just Badrul Jamali alone. His brothers, sisters and his whole family are with him. They are all supporting and helping his evil activities enjoying material benefits for themselves.
But the second question is even more serious. Why are Aqa Moulas (TUS) Shehzadas aligning themselves with him, especially Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb, whom I respected quite a bit before it became very clear to me that he is supportive of all of BJs activities. Shezada Sahebs wife is Badrul Jamalis sister, so BJ is always protected no matter how much he terrorizes mumineen. We are at a time in the history of Dawat when a big fitnat is being planned right under our noses. One could hardly imagine that people in high places could act harmfully towards Dawat. Today, many mumineen are beginning to discover just that.
Badrul Jamali and associates are using Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb to practice their evil activities, oppress mumineen and instill fear in mumineens hearts. On the other hand, they do propaganda of displaying Shezada Sahib as the chosen one. The fact that Shehzada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb relies on such people like Badrul Jamali and Mohammad Hasan of Cairo speaks a lot about Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisahebs own character. Instead of learning from Aqa Moula TUS, this Shehzada seems to have received his training from his Sasra - Yusuf Bhaisaheb Najmuddin the Father of BJ.
It was obvious that when Aqa Moula TUS made young Khuzema Bhaisaheb Mazoon-e-Dawar, old Yusuf Bhaisaheb was very upset. Everybody knew that. Now BJ and associates want us to believe Yusuf Bhaisaheb is some kind of a saint! Yusuf Bhaisaheb infact is the one who has sown these evil seeds in Saify Mahal and Kothar and Jamea and corrupted their minds. They have chosen Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb as their Leader, and are openly saying they will not accept anything else. Otherwise why this opposition and Muqaabla of Mazoon Saheb? Why this open Challenge to Aqa Moula TUS? They are not willing to even accept Mazoon as Mazoon as we learn from Taizoon Bhaisaheb (http://www.zahirbatin.com) who revealed their beliefs to the community. The general mumineen think this is an internal family fued. FAR FROM IT. This cult attacks our Dai Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin TUS with their shameful activities and atrocities on mumineen. To stand on the side and let this cult impose themselves on us mumineen is more shameful.
Mohammad Hasan of Misr said in the Izhar-e-Aqidat Majlis in Saify Masjid Mumbai that we dont want 1, 2, 3, we just believe in one. Is this not a little bit like the Sunni Muslims! Is it not true that Imam-uz-Zamans presence in Satr is by these 3 Rutbas-Dai, his zayre dast Mazoon and Mukasir. Then what compels Mohammed Hasan to say this? Why does he talk against Mazoon and Mukasir and drives the propaganda machine for Shehzada saheb through his cronies in Misr? To say that to call Shehzada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb Moula is OK, but to call Mazoon Saheb Moula is a gunah? Mazoon Sahib was appointed in that Rutba by Aqa Moula TUS since he is worthy of it, and on the other hand, Shezada Saheb needs to be propped up by this propaganda machine of Aamils, Jamea and Tanzeem etc, all of whom are obviously dependant on this group and their leader for their well being.
When Shezada. Mufaddal Bhaisaheb started pressuring mumineen to do Vajebaat 2 times more, 3 times more, and some even 10 times more this year in Ramadan, this group supported the idea no matter how absurd it was. Low-income mumineen were pressured to give Vajebaat of amounts that constituted 50% of their years income or their safai chithi was refused! Aamils and Khidmat Guzars were made to pay extreme amounts than their last years Vajebaat, and all those who did not have the money were given loans. Vajebaat means what is Vajeb on what you have, so if you have to take a loan, then you never had it in the first place! And where will these so called Khidmat Guzars get the money from? Obviously from the community. I cant wait to see what happens next year! Double again?
Aqa Moula TUS has never said to give Vajebaat by taking loan. Then who runs this parallel show? Everyone knows it is Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb and his group. They dont care about the poor mumineen in our community, for I know for a fact how the money is distributed amongst their loved ones. Zohra baisaheb, the wife of Shehzada Mufaddal bhaisaheb gives her hand to men to do Salaam and they kiss it!! Since when does she have Mehram with so many men, or is she trying to fill the vacuum left by beloved Busaheba?
Seems like Badrul Jamali and group have already proclaimed their own leader and do not want to wait for Aqa Moula TUS. True Ikhlaas would be to do doa for Aqa Moulas TUS Long life till Qiyamat and Zuhur of Imam on Moulas hand, not by self proclamation! This tasawwur of Ikhlaas was given by none other than Mazoon Saheb to one of my friends.
Mukasir Saheb made it very clear in one of his Sabaqs in Mumbai recently when he said that the Rutba and Rutba na Sahib, meaning the person in the Rutba are the same. He totally negated the fundamental lie of Zahir-Batin propagated by this Nifaaqi group and said that only Dushmans of Dawat would propagate such a this Tasawwur. He said much more and clarified that to NOT believe in any one of the Rutba na Saheb is Nifaaq.
BJ and associates tried to beat up Taizoon Bhaisaheb by sending members of Burhani Gaurds and Ezzi family members, who are all hardcore supporters of Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb. If you read his website [url=http://www.zahirbatin.com,]www.zahirbatin.com,[/url] he describes the horror he faced in detail, Shezada Mufaddal Bhaisaheb should never have talked ill of Mazoon Moula to Taizoon Bhaisaheb. The fact that these people resort to violence and call violence Mohabbat nu Josh speaks a lot about them.
Then we have this great lawyer, Mustafa AbdulHussain in London, who writes on Dbnet and mumineen.org that Taizoon bhaisaheb's exposing of this Nifaaqi ZahirBatin belief in this manner of putting it up on the website and sending CDs to people is questionable! He says that Taizoon's claim that he had to resort to these means because he could not do Araz to Aqa Moula TUS means that he (taizoon) believes that the Dai is unaware of the situation, if the situation exists, and that if we believe that the Dai can be unaware, then we believe that the Dai is not infallible (infallible means Masoom/Ismat). This is the weakest belief one can have. The Dai is aware of everything the almighty makes him aware of and sees by the light of Allah and Imam, but also lets some things be as they are for Hikmat purposes. There are many examples of that. For example see what Januwala has on his website: [url=http://f_januwala.tripod.com/]http://f_januwala.tripod.com/[/url]
Moula Ali AS cut the hands of a man who was actually not guilty of committing that crime, so do we say he is not infallible! Mr. Mustafa the lawyer may have a degree in law, but he does not have 10 cents worth of knowledge regarding Dawat Ilm. I am sorry to say this, but calling Taizoon a reformist as Mustafa Abdul Husain has done, is committing a big SIN as he has called a mumin a munafiq and by doing so, as per bayan of Syedna Hatim RA in Kitab Tambih al Gafeleen, he, Mustafa, himself is now a munafiq unless he repents!! Of course there is pressure on the Dai and as seen in History, Rasulullah SAW went to do battle of Ohud outside Madina due to pressure from others, when actually Rasulullah's SAW opinion and decision was to fight by staying in Madina. So yes, these things are possible and can happen as per Hikmat. Aqa Moula TUS took the name of Mukasir in this Gadir Misaaq and said it is Syedi Saleh bhaisaheb Safiuddin. Everyone knows this and most understand that it can happen. The Human factor is there, but the Dai is greater than Malaikat because he does what he does even being in this Human Body, where else even Malaikat have faltered after being totally spiritual (as per bayan in Adam Nabi history). The Dai is infallible, yes, and the true meaning is that he will never pass away without conferring Nass on his Mansoos. Moula Burhanuddin TUS will never pass away without conferring Nass, but I do doa that may Allah grant Aqa Moula TUS his wish that Imam does Zuhur on his hands.
What next everyone wonders? Now that this cult is spreading lies about Mazoon Moula and speaking openly against the Qasam we take in Misaq, are we just going to sit and do nothing? The best way to show them that they cannot move mumineen from the right path to their evil motives (see picture no.1 which is attached to this document) is to show our love for our Aqa Moula TUS and his Mazoon and Mukasir whenever the opportunity arises. We should let our friends and family be aware of this corrupt cult within our community, even if those people are from the Royal Family (QasrAali) or your own Aamil. Our misaaq is not to the Shehzada or Royal Family or Aamil or who has the power. That is not what takes us to heaven. It is the belief in Aqa Moula TUS and what he tells us to believe in- his Mazoon and Mukasir. Everything else is irrelevant. Dont let Badrul Jamali and his group fool you even if they have the backing of the high and mighty Shehzadas. Lets be truthful to ourselves and keep our faith and not let the Shaitaan steal it, like it did from the Sunnis who dont pray Bismillah in Namaz saying Shaitaan has stolen it. To speak against Rutba na Sahebs is like doing the work of Shaitaan. The Rutbas and everything else is Aqa Moulas TUS responsibility, lets not do the sin by trying to take that responsibility from Moula TUS. May Allah give Moula TUS life till Qiyamat.
Ameen
Mamluk-e-Syedna TUS
Mumin Mukhlis-Khidmat Guzar
I am from Royal Family-Saify Mahal-Have taken Sabaq from Mukasir - e - Dawat, who has always given Haq ni Tasawwur. May Allah give him Jazaa - e - Khair.
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I am Sunni.Mohammad Hasan of Misr said in the Izhar-e-Aqidat Majlis in Saify Masjid Mumbai that we dont want 1, 2, 3, we just believe in one. Is this not a little bit like the Sunni Muslims!
Thank Allah we believe in only one (Allah).
Here is a admission that Bohra believe in not One but 1 + 5 + Number of Imaams + Number of Dai's + Untold number of Dead pious people.
Here guy from Misr is being criticised for his belief in ONE .
Wasalaam
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What?like it did from the Sunnis who dont pray Bismillah in Namaz saying Shaitaan has stolen it.
Bismillah.. is part of Surat-Al-Fateha and is its first Ayah.
In every Namaz wether Fird, sunnah or Nafl,and in every Rakah of Namaaz Al-Fateha is recited.
Who taught this slave of human being (Dai) that Sunnis do not recite Bismillah.
Is Bohra religion full of lies like this?
Open challange to any Bohra who wants to come whith me and check it out wether we recite Bismillah in Namaaz or not.
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I think 1, 2, 3 here refers to the Dai, Mazoon and Mukasir. He is saying he believes in 1 but not in 2 and 3. It is part of zahir-batin heresy.Originally posted by Muslim First:
I am Sunni.Mohammad Hasan of Misr said in the Izhar-e-Aqidat Majlis in Saify Masjid Mumbai that we dont want 1, 2, 3, we just believe in one. Is this not a little bit like the Sunni Muslims!
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Re: History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and pres
Wahhabi Imams in Saudi Arabia do not say Basmallah aloud during congregational prayer while reciting sura fateha.Originally posted by Muslim First:
What?like it did from the Sunnis who dont pray Bismillah in Namaz saying Shaitaan has stolen it.
In every Namaz wether Fird, sunnah or Nafl,and in every Rakah of Namaaz Al-Fateha is recited.
Who taught this slave of human being (Dai) that Sunnis do not recite Bismillah.
Bohra Imams recite Basmallah aloud while reciting sura Fateha. They also recite Basmallah aloud before every other sura as far as I know. Basmallah is shown printed before almost all suras, although it is not part of the suras. I am not sure whether they recite Basmallah before Sura 9 (al-Tauba) which does not precede with Basmallah in the Quraan.
As for Shaytan having stolen Basmallah from Sunnis, it is the first time I have heard it. I do not think it is a view held by Bohras.
Re: History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and pres
Re: Bismallah.
Other than the Hanafi fiqh all consider bismallah added to the suras and thus don't recite (silent or other wise) the basmala before the sura. Shiah adhere to the fact the Maulana Ali codified the Quran with the Bismallahs in place and also out of reverence of the Quran..the basmala is recited whenever any part of the Quran is recited (even one ayat)...not just at the head of an surah.
Other than the Hanafi fiqh all consider bismallah added to the suras and thus don't recite (silent or other wise) the basmala before the sura. Shiah adhere to the fact the Maulana Ali codified the Quran with the Bismallahs in place and also out of reverence of the Quran..the basmala is recited whenever any part of the Quran is recited (even one ayat)...not just at the head of an surah.
Re: History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and pres
Those who do not learn from history are condemned to repeate it. - George Santayana
Re: History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and pres
Malik, Ibn Hanbal and Abu Hanifa did not consider bismillah to be part of any sura in the Quran.
The Shia and Shafii Sunnis consider bismillahs in every (sura except 9) as being part of the Quran.
However, Abu Hanifa allowed his followers to recite Bismillah quietly before al-Fatiha, because according to him the Prophet did so, even though he did not consider it part of the Quran.
Incidentally, even though sura 9 does not have Bismillah preceding it, the total number of occurrences for Bismillah remains 114.
The Shia and Shafii Sunnis consider bismillahs in every (sura except 9) as being part of the Quran.
However, Abu Hanifa allowed his followers to recite Bismillah quietly before al-Fatiha, because according to him the Prophet did so, even though he did not consider it part of the Quran.
Incidentally, even though sura 9 does not have Bismillah preceding it, the total number of occurrences for Bismillah remains 114.
Re: History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and pres
Dear Muslim,
You are correct it is Shafii not Hanifa. Thank you for correcting my error.
You are correct it is Shafii not Hanifa. Thank you for correcting my error.
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All the copies of the Quran including one distributed by the SA (So called Wahabis)as Hadiaya after Hujj, has Bismillah as First Ayah of Al-Fateha and Bismillah above all surah except 9.
Recitation in Namaaz either silently or loudly is acceptable.
Point here being Bohra teaching, Sunnis believe that Shaitan stole Bismillah. Many devoted cultists will do anything to extoll their beliefs, including Goebbel like statements.
Wasalaam
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All the copies of the Quran including one distributed by the SA (So called Wahabis)as Hadiaya after Hujj, has Bismillah as First Ayah of Al-Fateha and Bismillah above all surah except 9.
Recitation in Namaaz either silently or loudly is acceptable.
Point here being Bohra teaching, Sunnis believe that Shaitan stole Bismillah. Many devoted cultists will do anything to extoll their beliefs, including Goebbel like statements.
Wasalaam
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Re: History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and pres
So there is a cult within The CULT !!!!We should let our friends and family be aware of this corrupt cult within our community, even if those people are from the Royal Family (QasrAali) or your own Aamil
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Re: History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and pres
Certainly not according to 3 of the 4 Sunni schools of thought as explained above.Recitation in Namaaz either silently or loudly is acceptable.
Re: History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and pres
Badrul Jamali found resistance in the Persian dai Hasan bin Sabah who favoured installing Nizar as Imam.
According to one version of history, Mustaali's regime imprisoned and then killed Nizar. Hasan bin Sabah and Nizar's son Hadi meanwhile set up a stronghold in Alamut where their 'fidais' succeeded in assasinating Mustaali's successor, Amir.
Let's hope that that bloody part of history does not repeat itself.
According to one version of history, Mustaali's regime imprisoned and then killed Nizar. Hasan bin Sabah and Nizar's son Hadi meanwhile set up a stronghold in Alamut where their 'fidais' succeeded in assasinating Mustaali's successor, Amir.
Let's hope that that bloody part of history does not repeat itself.
Re: History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and pres
hmmm...haramzadas killing each other for worldy gain…now, that ain’t soo badOriginally posted by Muslim:
Let's hope that that bloody part of history does not repeat itself.
Down with Firaun! Down with Burhanuddin and his satanic family! More power for bohras!
Re: History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and pres
I wonder what happen to those who keep saying we bohras are MUMIN and DAI can do no wrong??Originally posted by Muslim First:
So there is a cult within The CULT !!!!We should let our friends and family be aware of this corrupt cult within our community, even if those people are from the Royal Family (QasrAali) or your own Aamil
I wonder what happen to those who keep accusing the Progressive bohras of making much ado over nothing.. those Abdes and Amte that went around lanating PB and vehemently defending creeps from Khotars
Take note! It is not progressive that is coming out openly but the Mazon club against BJ( badrul jamali or his nickname Bastardly JerK). What took them so long??
Atrocities has been happening for more than 30 years (my current lifetimes) and NOW someone is deciding to do something about it.
What really pisses me of is that the Dai is as flaccid as ever.
Frankly I am sick and tired of this RPG(Role Playing Game). We bohras are simple people. Do we really need this crappo Zahir Batin stuff? Who gives a fuc*
Just show me a system that doesn’t fleece my people. Show me a system where human can live with dignity. Show me a system where no one is subjected to khotar slavery
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Re: History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and pres
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I know a young Bohra Ph.D. here in Boston Suburb. This young man, his wife and child has forgone comfort, fellowship and close relationship of Bohra community for the sake of observing his religious beliefs correctly. His close relatives are friends of mine. I see him every Friday when he comes for Jumma prayer. I have not asked and he has not volunteered that he is Shia or Sunni. In fact nobody cares what denomination of Islam he follows.In our Mosque ( http://www.icbwayland.org/about.html ), Some time we have Imaam (Prayer leader for this Post) who follow Hanafi fiqh, the we have Khutba as per his teachings. (Taalim lecture in English, then Adhan then Short Arabic Khutba). Others deliver Khutba in Engish and Arabic. Imagine being in Greater Boston where 150 Bohra families are there and you forsake them because you want to follow your conscience? You need to understand what Islam requres of you. Wether Namaaz, Roza and ZAkat or Namaaz, Roza, Taxes, Maatam, Urs and Milad, singing of Sad songs instead of Quran reading meetings or Quran Understanding meeting.
Its your choice sister. Nobody is forcing you to be part of currupt system.
People take advantage of you only with your permission (Express or tacid).
Wasalaam
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Sister JinxJust show me a system that doesn’t fleece my people. Show me a system where human can live with dignity. Show me a system where no one is subjected to khotar slavery
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I know a young Bohra Ph.D. here in Boston Suburb. This young man, his wife and child has forgone comfort, fellowship and close relationship of Bohra community for the sake of observing his religious beliefs correctly. His close relatives are friends of mine. I see him every Friday when he comes for Jumma prayer. I have not asked and he has not volunteered that he is Shia or Sunni. In fact nobody cares what denomination of Islam he follows.In our Mosque ( http://www.icbwayland.org/about.html ), Some time we have Imaam (Prayer leader for this Post) who follow Hanafi fiqh, the we have Khutba as per his teachings. (Taalim lecture in English, then Adhan then Short Arabic Khutba). Others deliver Khutba in Engish and Arabic. Imagine being in Greater Boston where 150 Bohra families are there and you forsake them because you want to follow your conscience? You need to understand what Islam requres of you. Wether Namaaz, Roza and ZAkat or Namaaz, Roza, Taxes, Maatam, Urs and Milad, singing of Sad songs instead of Quran reading meetings or Quran Understanding meeting.
Its your choice sister. Nobody is forcing you to be part of currupt system.
People take advantage of you only with your permission (Express or tacid).
Wasalaam
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Re: History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and pres
Br. Porus
You noted that "Flashback to succession battle between Mustaali and Nizar, sons of Imam Mustansir. Badr al-Jamaali (uncanny sameness of names) was a Wazir to Imam Mustansir. Badr al-Jamali wanted Mustaali to succeed in preference to Nizar on whom Imam Mustansir had already pronounced Nass. Mustaali was son-in-law of Badr al-Jamali, who died before he could see Mustali on throne of Imamat. Badr al-Jamali was succeded to Wazirate by his son Afzal Shah, who succeded in installing his brother-in-law Mustaali to Fatimid Imamat in Cairo after fratricide leading to murder of Nizar."
Also from: http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/issues/fatimid_lit.htm
Now then both Imaam in hiding and present dai are without continious Nass. Therfore they are as devine as as scores of pirs in Indian subcontinent who hoodwink their Murids by claiming they are special.
Very interesting! Br. qiyam: do you have any thoughts on this?
Wasalaam
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You noted that "Flashback to succession battle between Mustaali and Nizar, sons of Imam Mustansir. Badr al-Jamaali (uncanny sameness of names) was a Wazir to Imam Mustansir. Badr al-Jamali wanted Mustaali to succeed in preference to Nizar on whom Imam Mustansir had already pronounced Nass. Mustaali was son-in-law of Badr al-Jamali, who died before he could see Mustali on throne of Imamat. Badr al-Jamali was succeded to Wazirate by his son Afzal Shah, who succeded in installing his brother-in-law Mustaali to Fatimid Imamat in Cairo after fratricide leading to murder of Nizar."
Also from: http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/issues/fatimid_lit.htm
So it appears that Imaamat failed to pass on to Mustaali without Nass. and Dai-ship failed to pass on to Abd al-Qadir Najmuddin without Nass.It is of much relevance now to mention a traumatic event in our history that ushered in a religious tyranny and changed our tradition and culture. The 46th Dai Muhammad Badr al-din died in 1256/1840 without a nass (designation). The day before announcing the nass he was heavily poisoned and died instantaneously. The 47th Dai Abd al-Qadir Najmuddin succeeded him without a nass. He went about introducing a new organization of the community. The officers of the Daawa were now not the mashaikh (i.e. the Ulama) of the community but a class of Bhai Sahibs related to him. The Ulama faced with this dilemma arrived at a compromise. The Dai accepted that he was not a true dai but only a nazim (organizer) to save the community from falling apart.
Now then both Imaam in hiding and present dai are without continious Nass. Therfore they are as devine as as scores of pirs in Indian subcontinent who hoodwink their Murids by claiming they are special.
Very interesting! Br. qiyam: do you have any thoughts on this?
Wasalaam
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Re: History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and pres
observing his religious beliefs correctly
According to whom ? I am sure the Dai would disagree with you, brother. This is the scary part about the various religious sects... this correctly bit.
Since religion is a matter of "faith" without proof, correct is a relative term, relative to your beliefs. If I am wrong, you will be able to document why this guy is correct, without drawing from your own personal faith.
According to whom ? I am sure the Dai would disagree with you, brother. This is the scary part about the various religious sects... this correctly bit.
Since religion is a matter of "faith" without proof, correct is a relative term, relative to your beliefs. If I am wrong, you will be able to document why this guy is correct, without drawing from your own personal faith.
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Re: History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and pres
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" Since religion is a matter of "faith" without proof, correct is a relative term, relative to your beliefs. If I am wrong, you will be able to document why this guy is correct, without drawing from your own personal faith. "
Islam as practiced by Prophet of Islam was no secret. Prophet SAW taught Sahaba's how to worship openly. He fasted, perfoormed Hujj and prayed thousands of Namaaz openly. There is no secrete how he worshipped Allah SWT. Remember he only worshipped Allah SWT adn worshipped him directly, He did not worship Allah SWT rhru Taghoots or did not pray his salah thru somebody.
Please go study Quran and Sunnah of the Prophet (Only Sunnah of the Prophet). You will find answers how to be Muslim correctly.
Wasalaam
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" Since religion is a matter of "faith" without proof, correct is a relative term, relative to your beliefs. If I am wrong, you will be able to document why this guy is correct, without drawing from your own personal faith. "
Islam as practiced by Prophet of Islam was no secret. Prophet SAW taught Sahaba's how to worship openly. He fasted, perfoormed Hujj and prayed thousands of Namaaz openly. There is no secrete how he worshipped Allah SWT. Remember he only worshipped Allah SWT adn worshipped him directly, He did not worship Allah SWT rhru Taghoots or did not pray his salah thru somebody.
Please go study Quran and Sunnah of the Prophet (Only Sunnah of the Prophet). You will find answers how to be Muslim correctly.
Wasalaam
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Re: History repeating itself? Badrul Jamaali - past and pres
That response was very predictable and you chose to ignore my post.
My prediction was accurate, you were unable to show that this guy was correct without drawing from your own personal faith.
In other words, bias.
My prediction was accurate, you were unable to show that this guy was correct without drawing from your own personal faith.
In other words, bias.