E'h Kothar Royal Family: Please invite me to your famil

[mburhan]

And yet another novel and ingenious additional scam from Kothar to collect Najwa/Gift in the guise of waajebaat - to beseech invitation from Kothar to the weddings of the Royal Family.

So what is the definition of an invitation? Hitherto I have never been directed to ask to attend a wedding of anybody. HAVE YOU?

What would they think of next?

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Ehtefalat-ul- Milak Fi Qasre Al- Dail Ajal TUS
Mumineen who wish to attend the wedding in Qasr Mubarak in Surat should log on to www.ejamaat.com and resgister to accept the invitation

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[Humsafar]

Look at this photo Sayedna porcession in Surat.

Am I seeing right? Are they carrying swords? Never seen this one before. A new innovation, I suppose. These spineless zombies in white raising shining swords as if going to war give a whole new meaning to "martial" character. Be afraid, sayedna's slave army is advancing. Keep your pockets open and your minds, as always, closed.

[Muslim First]

Ehtefalat-ul- Milak Fi Qasre Al- Dail Ajal TUS

What does this mean?

So Bohrajis will speak Bohra Gujarati with lots of Arebic words.

Darbar of Fatemi Imam will be replicated. Dai on Takht, Chellas taking turns fanning him (at price), Giving him Sharbat then dump 'Eethu sharbat' in drum and distribute to Chellas (By chamatkar of Sharbat mixed with Dai's saliva becomes cure all medicine. Love to see Frogs and Pigs lapping it up). Chellas will have Khud kismati of kissing Dai's feet (at price), then prince will do his Aarti and, then Arz and show will go on and on. Never mind about Allah, his Dai is here. Of course all this will happen by invitation only. What a religion!

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[Muslim First]

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See back of kid on the left?

He can hardly see his God but hopes that extended folded hands will be seen by God Dai and he will get lots of Barakats.

What a religion!
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[pro_pig]

i cannot understand whats your problem is if we drink sharbat,or seeing him as god dai do u have any problem? did any body is forcing you to do any thing. i think you guys are jealous of it.

[SBM]

Piggy
It is a duty of everyone if they see something wrong then they must raise their voices to correct it. If Germans would have done the same, Hilter wouldnot have killed millions of people. Germans considered Hilter as God like figure and accepted his curses, torture on jews and other minorities.
Since Kotharis see nothing wrong with Narendra Modi who consiers Hitler as hero then I think Kotharis put themselves in the same club as...... AQALMAND KO ISHARA KAFI HAI.

[pro_pig]

oma,
if u think that kothar is wrong so why you guys go bohra masjid pray behind amil do all activities and then b.it.ch.if you accept as prog dawoodi bohra look into your own matter try to do some thing new.

[Muslim First]

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Br. PRO

If you stop calling yourself Momin-Muslim then I have no problem whether you drink 'Ethu Sharbat or eat his sheet', 'kiss his feet or kiss his A*s'
Wasalaam
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[SBM]

piggy
I did stop going to your Kothari jamaat but then the local Kotharis called me because they were running short on the funds and they asked me to help. I did pay but now I will only go on two occassions.
I HAD ASKED YOU IN PREVIOUS POSTS THAT LOCAL JAMAATS NEEDS MONEY AND IF YOU CAN SUPPORT IT THEN I CAN FORWARD THE INFO THEY NEED CLOSE TO $ 500,000
If you can help let me know at omabharti@indiatimes.com otherwise shut up

[Muslim First]

Pro
Here is Hadith for you;

ENJOINING GOOD AND FORBIDDING EVIL

Abu Saad Khudri related that Prophet SAW said;

Whoever observes something wrong should change it with his hands. If he is unable to do so, then he should speak against it with his tongue. If he is unable to do even that, then he should at least resent it in his heart-and this is lowest level of faith. (Muslim)

I am just speaking out against Non Muslim way of your religion.

Wasalaam
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[SBM]

Br MF
Why do you quote Hadith for pigyy and frogyy?
For people with tunnel vision, they would have to get out of the box to understand.
I know your efforts but some times Allah does not help people who do not want to help themselves, Likes of Piggy and Froggy fall in that category.

[pro_pig]

oma
ASKED YOU IN PREVIOUS POSTS THAT LOCAL JAMAATS NEEDS MONEY AND IF YOU CAN SUPPORT IT THEN I CAN FORWARD THE INFO THEY NEED CLOSE TO $ 500,000
If you can help let me know at omabharti@indiatimes.com otherwise shut up

you still go in two occassion if you r hard core just tell them that you hate aqa maula and what you post in progdawoodi bohra site then see and by the way have you see $500000.00 in your life you.i told you will masjid u go and you have told me yet.

[SBM]

I have more than that amount, might be you donot know how to count more than 10,000
I graduated from a prestigious college from Boston in HealthCare field (fortunatley I didnot take RAZA, otherwise I would have been asked to do B COM at Burhani College ) and have business intrests in various parts of world.
CAN YOU PLEAE RE READ YOUR LETTERS BEFORE POSTING BECAUSE MAJORITY DONOT MAKE ANY SENSE LIKE THE LAST ONE

[Muslim First]

Br. Ombharti

I have educated Bohra friends and I am very close to them. When I see how their spiritual life has been currupted, it hurts me.

Just look at this picture ( http://media.mumineen.org/upload/tmp/ja ... rjah-6.jpg ). Look at all Zombies in uniform beating themselves silly. That to on the night of Lailatul Kadr, when you are suppose to pray only to Allah SWT. Do you think Angels are going to be in Allah's Mosque where people are invoking Ya Hussain and thumping their chests? Its a strange version of Islam.

Wasalaam
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[accountability]

well Brother MF: YOur above comments are not so becoming. There are around 20% of muslims are shia origin. Beating chest is their way of grieving, for what think was a past injustice or cruelty.

While spritual corruption is rampant, in all sects of islam or other religions, you have singled out bohras for the same. calling them zombies was a strong statment.

MF, we have discussed history so many time, while no histroy is entirely truthful, but has both fiction and truth in it.

[Muslim First]

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Br. AC
Even though I would not do it because prophet has forbidden extended lamentation, I am not against it. Mosque of Allah SWT is to be used to worship him and him only. I can give you number of Ayas in Quran and Ahadith. Lailatul Kadr is a special night in Muslim's life, and to squander it on useless ritual gets my goat.

It is in Ahadith and Qur’an that Angeles descend on earth on that night (BTW it is not only 23rd or 27th, but last 10 nights, especially odd nights). Thy visit Mosques and Homes on that night where God's servants are busy worshiping Him. What do they find Bohrs doing on that night? They are beating themselves and singing poetry instead of Allah's kalam. It should be reserved for extra prayers, dhikr, reading and pondering of Qur’an.

Wasalaam.

[spot]

brother muslim first,
when you are classified as a prophet or even a scholar...may be your opinion will officially count. right now, most of the information you quote or reference is either out of context, poorly transmitted, or totally your own opinion...that it would be better not to read.

[Muslim First]

spot
Please be specific
you qoute Qura'an and Ahadith to support your stand
Wasalaam
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[spot]

br. muslim first,
i will use your last post as an example:

"Even though I would not do it because prophet has forbidden extended lamentation, I am not against it."

---the quran support lamentation..the prophet yusuf lost his eyesight from crying at the lost of his son. the prophet did not forbid it lamentation as is performed for imam hussain nor has any imam thereafter. imam zaynul abidin lamented karbala the rest of his life...there was rarely a time where tears of remembrance weren't in his eyes. imam jafar sadiq said every day is ashura, every place is karbala.

i guess you know better than them.

"Mosque of Allah SWT is to be used to worship him and him only. I can give you number of Ayas in Quran and Ahadith."

--shiah don't worship imam hussain but remember and honor him as a true example of a mumin of allah. it is no different than how both of us remember and honor the prophet in the same mosque of allah.

"Lailatul Kadr is a special night in Muslim's life, and to squander it on useless ritual gets my goat."

--if you consider doing of aza of imam hussain during a very small portion of a sacred night like laylatul qadr...than what can i explain to you...how you dishonor the prophet's legacy. the prophet said "i am from hussain, hussain is from me". imam hussain was the leader of the youths of paradise. if you are against honoring him on a night as a wasila...what can one say.

"It is in Ahadith and Qur’an that Angeles descend on earth on that night (BTW it is not only 23rd or 27th, but last 10 nights, especially odd nights)."

--actually the most reported hadith says it was the 23rd...the others are hasan or daif. but you are correct that the last 10 night as those to be closest to allah.

"Thy visit Mosques and Homes on that night where God's servants are busy worshiping Him. What do they find Bohrs doing on that night? They are beating themselves and singing poetry instead of Allah's kalam. It should be reserved for extra prayers, dhikr, reading and pondering of Qur’an."

--is this what you see bohris doing..only aza. are you blind...or just non observant. the minimum salats perform on the night of laylatul qadr is 24 and 36 rakats. this doesn't include the lists of duas written by various imams pleading and praising to allah. on average there are between 54 and 96 rakats performed. all are beside the normal sunnah, fardh, and nafilah salats.

[tahir]

Originally posted by spot:
brother muslim first,
when you are classified as a prophet or even a scholar...may be your opinion will officially count. right now, most of the information you quote or reference is either out of context, poorly transmitted, or totally your own opinion...that it would be better not to read.

Why is that anyone take your post more seriously than that of Muslim First. Is there a way to know that all what you said is 'in context' and 'richly transmitted'. I mean please enlighten me. Did I miss the ceremony when you were awarded 'prophethood' or even 'scholarhood'.

[Muslim First]

but you are correct that the last 10 night as those to be closest to allah.

Well there is no way of knowing which of last 10 nights are Lailatul Kadra. Then why specify 23rd of 27th.?
All Sunni mosque in Boston area has no specific night. You pray only to God and hope Holy nights happens to you.

--is this what you see bohris doing..only aza. are you blind...

Did Prophet do azza? No.
So it is a innovation. Unacceptable. Waste of time.

how you dishonor the prophet's legacy.

Where did Prophet ask you to honor his legecy every day?

if you are against honoring him on a night as a wasila...what can one say.

Why seek somebody's Wasila when Allah says Seek my help and I am as close to you as your jagular vain.

Q80

Finally when there come the deafening blast,

on that Day each man shall flee from his own brother,

his mother and his father,

his wife and his children.

For each one of them, on that Day, shall have enough concern of his own to make him indifferent to the others.

Does it it makes sense to you. No it will not make any sense to you bacause you are bred to believe that your Imam, your Maula, Hussain, Ali, Fatema, Muhammad etc. etc. will come to your aid.

Q86
9 on the Day when the hidden secrets will be brought to scrutiny,

10 then he will have neither power of his own nor any helper to save him from the punishment of Allah.

Your creed spends enormas time remembering Imam, Maula, Husain, Ali etc. etc. Ya Ali and Ya Hussain is invoked every waking hours. That is nothing but worship.

Wasalaam
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[accountability]

Brother: MF look what non spritual commercial islam does.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/regional/stor ... xury.shtml

Sauds are the usurper of land, they do not own mecca and medina, but their brand of wahabi spritual less islam is very oppurtunistic. Because in their islam, there is no room for compassion or empathy, so they are bent upon selling kaaba and medina.

[anajmi]

---the quran support lamentation..the prophet yusuf lost his eyesight from crying at the lost of his son. the prophet did not forbid it lamentation as is performed for imam hussain nor has any imam thereafter. imam zaynul abidin lamented karbala the rest of his life...there was rarely a time where tears of remembrance weren't in his eyes. imam jafar sadiq said every day is ashura, every place is karbala.

003.169
YUSUFALI: Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord;
PICKTHAL: Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead. Nay, they are living. With their Lord they have provision.
SHAKIR: And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;

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YUSUFALI: They rejoice in the bounty provided by Allah: And with regard to those left behind, who have not yet joined them (in their bliss), the (Martyrs) glory in the fact that on them is no fear, nor have they (cause to) grieve.
PICKTHAL: Jubilant (are they) because of that which Allah hath bestowed upon them of His bounty, rejoicing for the sake of those who have not joined them but are left behind: That there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.
SHAKIR: Rejoicing in what Allah has given them out of His grace and they rejoice for the sake of those who, (being left) behind them, have not yet joined them, that they shall have no fear, nor shall they grieve.

I am not sure why Imam Jafar Sadiq said that every day is Ashura and every place is Karbala, but I don't think the quran or the prophet agree with him.

[spot]

tahir,
what i wrote can actually be traced very easily as exactly as i transmitted both in general islamic books of history and shiah books. the story of prophet yusuf is very well known in sunni and shiah classrooms.

but what muslim first write as facts are very incorrect...this is what i was pointing out. how do i know this...i actually take the effort of reading the sources of the quran ayats and hadiths he quotes...and then i note how out of context or poorly translated they are. you could do the same if you put the effort to it.

muslim first,
regarding laylatual qadr..the most sahih hadith regarding laylatul qadr puts it at 23rd..not the 27th or any other nights per diamul islam, a hadith by maulana ali. those hadiths that put doubt are hasan or daif (weak).

regarding aza...did the prophet do tarawih...did the prophet do "khayrul minan nawm"...did the prophet? no. but to answer your question:

Related by Umme Salamah
"I went to visit Umm Salamah and found her weeping. I asked her what was making her weep and she replied that she had seen Allah's Messenger (PBUH&HF) (meaning in a dream) with dust on his head and beard. She asked him what was the matter and he replied, "I have just been present at the slaying of al-Husayn."

Sahih Tirmidhi, per: Mishkat al-Masabih

Tradition Narrated Abdullah Ibn Abbas:
One day at midday he saw in a dream the Prophet (PBUH&HF)dishevelled and dusty with a bottle containing blood in his hand and said, "You for whom I would give my father and mother as ransom, what is this?"

He replied, "This is the blood of al-Husayn and his companions which I have been collecting today." He told that he was reckoning that time and found that he had been killed at that time.

Musnad Ahmad Hanbal;Mishkat al-Masabih, by Khatib al-Tabrizi.

you wrote "Where did Prophet ask you to honor his legecy every day?"
---he didn't...allah does throughout the quran!

you wrote against the action of wasila...this is means taught in the quran to reach allah. it was a means taught by the prophet and all the imam. this is reason we say salawat! do you know what you are saying in the salawat?? you sound like umar when he said the book of allah is enough for us!

[profrog]

what mf and his wahabi friends want is that you follow their brand of fundementalist islam only everything else is wrong according to them,that is why they are burried in nameless graves with no honour.its allah way of punishing them,

[profrog]

he will start quoting all sorts of hadees by unknown people to put his point across but will forget what the prophet himself has said about imam hussein sa,but this you would expect from the people who do not honour the prophet and use his his name to profit and power themselves,they are called the wahabis

[profrog]

by the way to other progs what is wrong with our moula inviting us to the wedding of his children, is it because you progs do not believe in getting married and are sons of unwed parents you what they are called

[feelgud]

Originally posted by accountability:
Brother: MF look what non spritual commercial islam does.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/urdu/regional/stor ... xury.shtml

Sauds are the usurper of land, they do not own mecca and medina, but their brand of wahabi spritual less islam is very oppurtunistic. Because in their islam, there is no room for compassion or empathy, so they are bent upon selling kaaba and medina.

BBC would have a complete story if they also mention that what steps saudi govt is taking to face increasing numbers of piligrims in mecca and madina.It should also be discussed whether the zamzam complex is a necessity or just a money making venture.

No one visits there for shopping.Everyone goes for spiritual purpose to these holy cities and if the new numbers of pilgrims demands more space and outlets to buy things they need then whats wrong in it.

I dont remember the reference but have read this somewhere quoting Prophet(pbuh)that :
EVERY UMMAH HAS A FITNAH AND FOR MY UMMAH ITS MAA'L

This is the height of greed if the pilgrims are treated or going to be targetd as customers.They must know that the belly of human being can only be filled by dust of the grave.
They too will go inside a samll rectangular place called grave,leaving multiplexes remain on the earth,useless for them.

wassalam

[feelgud]

Originally posted by spot:

regarding aza...did the prophet do tarawih...did the prophet do "khayrul minan nawm"...did the prophet? no. but to answer your question:

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Some orders and permissions were exclusively for the Prophet and his Ahl-e-Bait (his wives, daughter, son-in-law and their progeny). For example, accepting Zakat is prohibited for his progeny. The prophet’s wives were not to marry others after his demise. The Salat of Tahajjud was obligatory for the Prophet (Pbuh). The above do not apply to all Muslims. All such exclusive orders and permissions have been clearly mentioned either in Qur’an or in the Prophet’s sayings.

The Prophet (Pbuh) had exclusive instructions and permission for his marriages. Those do not apply to other Muslims. The conditions in which, a Muslim is required or permitted to marry more than one wife, are known from the Qur’an and the practice of the Prophet’s close companions.

[Muslim First]

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Brother Spot;

For Wasila and Shaffa see many questions at http://www.islamhelpline.com/qandans.asp?topicid=46

I do not know if anybody taught your demy God proper way of remembering and sending benediction to Prophet and his family. Here is relevant Ahadith;

Prayer on the Prophet may Allah Bless Him and Grant Him Peace

Yahya related to me from Malik from Abdullah ibn Abi Bakr ibn Hazim from his father that Amr ibn Sulaym az-Zuraqi said, "Abu Humayd as-Saidi told me that they asked the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, how they were to ask for blessings upon him and he replied that they should say, 'O Allah, bless Muhammad and his wives and his descendants as You blessed the family of Ibrahim, and give baraka to Muhammad and his wives and his descendants as You gave baraka to the family of Ibrahim. You are worthy of Praise and Glorious.'"

Allahumma salli ala Muhammad wa azwajihi wa alihi kama sallaita ala ali Ibrahim, wa barakaala Muhammad wa azwajihi wa alihi kama baraktaalaali Ibrahim, innaka Hamidu'm - Majid. (Al-Muwatta 9.69)

Prayer on the Prophet may Allah Bless Him and Grant Him Peace

Yahya related to me from Malik from Nuaym ibn Abdullah al-Mujmirthat Muhammad ibn Abdullah ibn Zayd told him that Abu Masud al Ansari said, "The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, came to us at the gathering of Sad ibn Ubada. Bashir ibn Sad said to him, 'Allah has ordered us to ask for blessings on you, Messenger of Allah. How should we do it?' The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, remained silent until we wished we had not asked him. Then he told us to say, 'O Allah, bless Muhammad and the family of Muhammad as You blessed Ibrahim, and give baraka to Muhammad and the family of Muhammad as You gave baraka to the family of Ibrahim. In all the worlds You are worthy of Praise and Glorious,' and then givethe taslim as you have learnt."

Allahumma salli ala Muhammad wa ali Muhammad kama sallaita Ibrahim, wa baraka ala Muhammad wa ali Muhammad kama baraktaala ali Ibrahim. Fi'l alamin, innaka Hamidu'm - Majid. (Al-Muwatta 9.70)

I have posted a essay by Shaikh Bin-Baaz and I will post part of essay below;

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With regards to your question concerning some of Sufis (Mystics) who utter in Mosques and some other places phrases such as “O Lord, grant peace and blessings on the one whom you have ordained to be instrumental in unfolding of your mighty secrets and in opening the doors of to sublime lights of Your Mercy and who has thus become your vicegerent and who has inherited your secrets ----etc.â€