Family Members of Sayedi Mazoon Saheb
This information is for the sole purpose of opening the eyes of Bohra blind followers. Please see yourself from this example of Mazoon Saheb’s family members’ educational status where you stand. You are discouraged to opt for higher education but with your money see the education level of Kotharis:
SAKINA baisaheba , wife of Mazoon Saheb: - BA in English Literature, Bombay University [first amongst all students in English Literature].
Dr. Bazat TATERA baisab , Daughter of Mazoon Saheb: - Received Ph.D. in Arabic Literature with distinction from Harvard University (Cambridge, Massachusetts). Received MA and BA in Arabic Language and Literature from Ain Shams University (Cairo, Egypt). She is currently a professor of Arabic Literature at the University of Chicago (Chicago, Illinois). Previously taught at the University of Utah (Salt Lake City, Utah, 2000-2002), Yale University (New Haven, Connecticut, 1998-1999), and Harvard University (during Ph.D. studies, 1992-1999). Email: btq@post.harvard.edu
Dr. BAZAT SAIFIYAH baisab , Daughter of Mazoon Saheb: - Ph.D. in Islamic History [with distinction], Oxford University, UK, MA in English Literature, BA in English Literature [summa cum laude], The American University in Cairo.
BAZAT TYEBAH baisab , Daughter of Mazoon Saheb: - BA in Islamic History and Arabic Literature [with distinction], SOAS, London University, UK. Due to distinction in BA, accepted directly in the Ph D. program at London University. Email: tayyeba@uscnet.com
TAHER bhaiseb , Son of Mazoon Saheb: - MA in Arabic Literature, SOAS, London University, UK and BA in Arabic Literature [received The Chancellor's Award for coming first amongst 10,000 students in Bombay University]. Currently doing Ph. D. in Arabic Literature. Email: taher.qutbuddin@uscnet.com
ABDE-ALI bhaisab, Son of Mazoon Saheb: - MA in Arabic Literature [with distinction], SOAS, London University, UK, BA in Mass Communications and Journalism, and Arabic Literature, The American University in Cairo. Currently doing Ph. D. in Fiqh (Islamic Law). Email: abdeali.qutbuddin@uscnet.com
FATEMA baisab , Daughter of Mazoon Saheb: - BA in Psychology, The American University in Cairo. Also, one year in Psychology MA program, Harvard University, USA. Email: fiezzuddin@hotmail.com
ARWA baisab , Daughter of Mazoon Saheb: - Specialized courses in Arabic Language and Literature, The American University in Cairo. Email: arwa@uscnet.com
HUSAIN bhaisab , Son of Mazoon Saheb: - He is B.Sc. in Computer Science, with a minor in Arabic Literature and Electronics, with highest honors [summa cum laude], The American University in Cairo. Email: hqutbuddin@hotmail.com
AZIZ bhaisab , Son of Mazoon Saheb: - BA in Arabic Literature, with a minor in Political Science, with highest honors [summa cum laude], The American University in Cairo. Email: aziz.qutbuddin@uscnet.com
Education level of Mazoon Saheb's Family Members
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MOHD HUSSAIN
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Very interesting indeed Bhai Insaf-I think Mazoon saheb has his own web site too! It goes to show that those who have money & power in the Syedna family , nothing comes in their way of what they want to do!I think all these money spent for their education legitimately belonged to the community and they should pay it back! Just having a rutba of Mazzon does not make you eligible for this rip off- It is time that bohra masses need to be educated and learn about their systematic oppression of these bohra clergy! Lastly I am curious if Dr Bazat wears the Rida garb while teaching at Chiccago University? Can some chiacagoan shed light on that so it can expose their hypocrisy?
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MOHD HUSSAIN
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an E- mail received by me exposes the hypocrisy of Kothar further by telling people to get married earlier so that they will be kept behind in their education- A systematic approach to keep the community illiterate so they do not have to fear the revolt! Read on----------------------------""Baad Salaam il Jameel
Aqa Maula (TUS) karam ane ehsan farmawee ne hum
mumineen na har umoor ma nazar farmawe che ane hidayat
aape che, khasatan Nikah ane Shaadi na umoor ma apna
Bawa Shafeeq (TUS) har mo'qe per ta'keed karee ne
farmawe che ke Mumineen na Dikrao ane Dikrio shaadi ni
umr laiq thai to jaldi shaadi kari le.
As per the khushi mubarak of our beloved Maula (TUS),
Taiseer-un-Nikah committee, under the auspices of
Anjuman-e-Burhanee, Los Angeles, is proud to host
Ta'aruf Program to facilitate match-making process for
Dikrao and Dikrio.
The event will be hosted in the beautiful city of Los
Angeles on Zil Qadatil Haraam 3 and 4, 1424H/ December
26 and 27, 2003 Insha Allah. We invite
dikrio (17 years and older) and dikrao (18 years and
older), all over the world, to participate in this
exciting and fun-filled event.
Registration deadlines and further Ta'aruf Program
details will be posted shortly.
May Allah Ta'ala grant our Maula (TUS) a long and
healthy life, ta roze qiyamat. Ameen.
Abide Syedna TUS
Anjuman-e-Burhanee
Los Angeles
Aqa Maula (TUS) karam ane ehsan farmawee ne hum
mumineen na har umoor ma nazar farmawe che ane hidayat
aape che, khasatan Nikah ane Shaadi na umoor ma apna
Bawa Shafeeq (TUS) har mo'qe per ta'keed karee ne
farmawe che ke Mumineen na Dikrao ane Dikrio shaadi ni
umr laiq thai to jaldi shaadi kari le.
As per the khushi mubarak of our beloved Maula (TUS),
Taiseer-un-Nikah committee, under the auspices of
Anjuman-e-Burhanee, Los Angeles, is proud to host
Ta'aruf Program to facilitate match-making process for
Dikrao and Dikrio.
The event will be hosted in the beautiful city of Los
Angeles on Zil Qadatil Haraam 3 and 4, 1424H/ December
26 and 27, 2003 Insha Allah. We invite
dikrio (17 years and older) and dikrao (18 years and
older), all over the world, to participate in this
exciting and fun-filled event.
Registration deadlines and further Ta'aruf Program
details will be posted shortly.
May Allah Ta'ala grant our Maula (TUS) a long and
healthy life, ta roze qiyamat. Ameen.
Abide Syedna TUS
Anjuman-e-Burhanee
Los Angeles
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jahrastafari
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Once again we see Mohd Hussain attempt to spin a perfectly harmless note to meet his own ends. What a sneak.
Are you married Mohd Hussain. How did you meet your wife? Was it arranged? If yes, how come its ok for you to have met your spouse through an arranged process and not for the younger generation? At least this way the youngsters meet eacht other. Would you rather have them not meet and go off with non-muslims instead? I am sure if that was your own kids you would have something to say. Stop being a hypocrite and trying to spin everything to your own advantage and two meet your own misguided ends!
Are you married Mohd Hussain. How did you meet your wife? Was it arranged? If yes, how come its ok for you to have met your spouse through an arranged process and not for the younger generation? At least this way the youngsters meet eacht other. Would you rather have them not meet and go off with non-muslims instead? I am sure if that was your own kids you would have something to say. Stop being a hypocrite and trying to spin everything to your own advantage and two meet your own misguided ends!
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I think MOhammed Hussain lives in california after noting his messages from past.. Maybe he even comes to your jamaast as we can see from all the info that he readily has..Originally posted by Jah:
Once again we see Mohd Hussain attempt to spin a perfectly harmless note to meet his own ends. What a sneak.
Are you married Mohd Hussain. How did you meet your wife? Was it arranged? If yes, how come its ok for you to have met your spouse through an arranged process and not for the younger generation? At least this way the youngsters meet eacht other. Would you rather have them not meet and go off with non-muslims instead? I am sure if that was your own kids you would have something to say. Stop being a hypocrite and trying to spin everything to your own advantage and two meet your own misguided ends!
So keep your eyes open.. It wont be very difficult to notice people like mohammed Hussain with their sarcastic scorns and hairless faces.
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MOHD HUSSAIN
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Mr Jah: It is none of your business to indulge in anybody?s personal life-Yes my marriage was not arranged & i did not marry at the age of 18 & niether my wife at 17- The idea of my posting was the forced marriages imposed by the clergy at so much early age so as to sacrifice their education & bright future! Ger the message straight before criticising!
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let me dispel the stupid lie mohd husain has been blabbering everywhere.
Aqa Maula (TUS) encourages education to higher levels for all mumineen regardless of their gender or economic status. Aqa Maula (TUS) also wants mumineen to get married as is accordance with Islam and the trend is that when one pursues education, he or she forgets about this important aspect of Islam, which is nikah. So Aqa Maula (TUS) encourages people to pursue higher education even after marraige and in effect is explaining to his followers that marraige doesn't mean that education cannot continue.
Let me give you a personal example. My Mum got married at 18 in 1983. She started to pursue her Bachelors' degree when I was 9 years old and she achieved the highest marks for language in the British University in which she was doing her degree. She was doing the degree part time locally and the scripts were sent to UK for marking. Upon completion, Aqa Maula (TUS) had encouraged her to pursue a masters degree and upon completion of that, Aqa Maula (TUS) has given her Raza to pursue a PhD which she is currently doing.
So Mohd husain, pls don't twist facts and words. It makes you look immature and like a complete idiot. (I would have attempted to be more politically correct but in your case mohd husain, I couldn't be bothered)
Aqa Maula (TUS) encourages education to higher levels for all mumineen regardless of their gender or economic status. Aqa Maula (TUS) also wants mumineen to get married as is accordance with Islam and the trend is that when one pursues education, he or she forgets about this important aspect of Islam, which is nikah. So Aqa Maula (TUS) encourages people to pursue higher education even after marraige and in effect is explaining to his followers that marraige doesn't mean that education cannot continue.
Let me give you a personal example. My Mum got married at 18 in 1983. She started to pursue her Bachelors' degree when I was 9 years old and she achieved the highest marks for language in the British University in which she was doing her degree. She was doing the degree part time locally and the scripts were sent to UK for marking. Upon completion, Aqa Maula (TUS) had encouraged her to pursue a masters degree and upon completion of that, Aqa Maula (TUS) has given her Raza to pursue a PhD which she is currently doing.
So Mohd husain, pls don't twist facts and words. It makes you look immature and like a complete idiot. (I would have attempted to be more politically correct but in your case mohd husain, I couldn't be bothered)
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Dear Anhar, Any comment on Sayedna Saheb's call of boycotting the classes and even examinations to school & college student to attend his vaiz during Moharram? Dosn't it indicate the care he has for education in the community.
Secondly do you know the Bohra schools in Bombay, like Saifee High School, Tayebiya High school have been converted in to business venture? Do you know that the same is the condition of school in Udaipur, Dahood, Calcutta and elsewhere? Do you know that the existing schools like other institutions were founded by earlier well-wishers and not a single school has been started by our beloved Sayedna Saheb?
He is fully concentrating on reconstruction of mazars and mosques because they become permanent sources of income for royal family and remain the center of their control.
Please realise the harm caused to the community and don't just defend because of your faith.
Some college students in Bombay has carried out a servay of Bohra doctors, advocates and Engineers. The result should that they came up in life through their own struggle and non of them were either encouraged or given help by our Kothar sharif.
But I accept that things are changing in our community due to constant pressure from the reformists.
Secondly do you know the Bohra schools in Bombay, like Saifee High School, Tayebiya High school have been converted in to business venture? Do you know that the same is the condition of school in Udaipur, Dahood, Calcutta and elsewhere? Do you know that the existing schools like other institutions were founded by earlier well-wishers and not a single school has been started by our beloved Sayedna Saheb?
He is fully concentrating on reconstruction of mazars and mosques because they become permanent sources of income for royal family and remain the center of their control.
Please realise the harm caused to the community and don't just defend because of your faith.
Some college students in Bombay has carried out a servay of Bohra doctors, advocates and Engineers. The result should that they came up in life through their own struggle and non of them were either encouraged or given help by our Kothar sharif.
But I accept that things are changing in our community due to constant pressure from the reformists.
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We commend the Mazoon Saheb's family members for their outstanding academic successes - especially in the Islamic and Arabic studies.
To respond to the rest of the posts, the following is our Personal experience:
The Late Yusufbhai Saheb Najmuddin (Y.N.) visited London, England in early 1970 and demanded that the overseas students persuing Chartered Accountancy (C.A.) , Nursing of Secretarial studies in the U.K.to give up their studies immediately and go into business. He chided, mocked and called the C.A. students "khattaras" (broken down trucks/lorries).
Some of the C.A. students were writing their final exams the following week and had gone to meet him to seek blessings, and benedictions for their success in their final exams.
When asked how a person should go into the business with no financing capital or any collateral for loans (as they were students either on scholarships or being supported by their parents with their hard earned meagre savings), Y.N. flippantly responded that going into business was not easy; one has to "sleep on chataays" (mats).
The students responded that because their parents did not wish them to sleep on chataays, that is why the parents had self-lessly made sacrifices with their savings or foregone incomes to give them education and future comfortable careers and lifestyles.
Needless to say that only one beginnner C.A. student from Tanzania heeded Y.N's advice and decided to give up his studies to become a Master Baker (the family being in the baking business in the old country). He later saw the light and resumed his studies and qualified as a C.A.
To respond to the rest of the posts, the following is our Personal experience:
The Late Yusufbhai Saheb Najmuddin (Y.N.) visited London, England in early 1970 and demanded that the overseas students persuing Chartered Accountancy (C.A.) , Nursing of Secretarial studies in the U.K.to give up their studies immediately and go into business. He chided, mocked and called the C.A. students "khattaras" (broken down trucks/lorries).
Some of the C.A. students were writing their final exams the following week and had gone to meet him to seek blessings, and benedictions for their success in their final exams.
When asked how a person should go into the business with no financing capital or any collateral for loans (as they were students either on scholarships or being supported by their parents with their hard earned meagre savings), Y.N. flippantly responded that going into business was not easy; one has to "sleep on chataays" (mats).
The students responded that because their parents did not wish them to sleep on chataays, that is why the parents had self-lessly made sacrifices with their savings or foregone incomes to give them education and future comfortable careers and lifestyles.
Needless to say that only one beginnner C.A. student from Tanzania heeded Y.N's advice and decided to give up his studies to become a Master Baker (the family being in the baking business in the old country). He later saw the light and resumed his studies and qualified as a C.A.
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I can relate my personal experience about how Aqua Moula and family have always tried to keep Bohra folk uneducated and backwards.
10 years ago i was about to embark for the US to
pursue a PhD in physics from an ivy-league school.
My parents took me to Saifee Mahal to get blessings before i went ahead with this undertaking. The humiliation we had at that time
left a permanent imprint on me. For one, the kothari guys could hardly understand what a phd in physics from an ivy-league school means, and at the same time he kept demeaning me and my family for choosing a career path that was not "business-minded". I tried to reason with the MullaSaheb there why this career is perfect for me, but the only thing he kept repeating was that a PhD in physics will make less money than most bohri folks do selling some stuff in Bhendi bazaar.
Today things might have changed superficially. I have seen some folks being given education loans..etc, but these are very well connected folks, and Aqua Maula is certain that he will be reaping his gold mine once these students settle in US ....
10 years ago i was about to embark for the US to
pursue a PhD in physics from an ivy-league school.
My parents took me to Saifee Mahal to get blessings before i went ahead with this undertaking. The humiliation we had at that time
left a permanent imprint on me. For one, the kothari guys could hardly understand what a phd in physics from an ivy-league school means, and at the same time he kept demeaning me and my family for choosing a career path that was not "business-minded". I tried to reason with the MullaSaheb there why this career is perfect for me, but the only thing he kept repeating was that a PhD in physics will make less money than most bohri folks do selling some stuff in Bhendi bazaar.
Today things might have changed superficially. I have seen some folks being given education loans..etc, but these are very well connected folks, and Aqua Maula is certain that he will be reaping his gold mine once these students settle in US ....
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the kothari guys could hardly understand what a phd in physics from an ivy-league school means
Dear ironman, below is a true story to show how ignorant is even our Dai. Though we do not expect him to be All-Knower in worldly matters as he has not gone to any school or college and had no professional education; not neccesary either for him as a religious leader, but it is he how claims to be All-Knower and Almighty even in worldly matters, which even our Holy Prophet did not claim:
My friend Asghar Anis, son of Taherbhai contractor from Nagpur, did his B.E. in mechanical engineering with houhors from a reputed college in Bombay, V.J.T.I. but after applying for job for almost a year he could find a job. So he did his B.E. in electrical engineering from the same institution, but could get a job. Ultimately his phupa who was a Doctor suggested that he should take the blessings of Sayedna Saheb. Asghar went with his phupa to Sayedna Burhanuddin Saheb. Sayedna asked him "tame shoon karyoo che?" (what degree you have?). Asghar said "B.E. in mechanical and electrical engineering Huzure Aala". Sayadna asked him "Have done B.A.?" Asghar said "Huzere Aala that is an Art degree." So Sayedna told him "You do B.A. and you will get a job." Which shows that Sayedna being a man of old school of thougt had a limited knowledge of advancement in different sciences. No rgrett for it. But his foolish advice still makes you wonder!
(Asghar Anis did not go for B.A. and with whatever educational qualifications he had is now settled down happyly in Sharja with his family, though he is still a devote follower of Sayedna.
Dear ironman, below is a true story to show how ignorant is even our Dai. Though we do not expect him to be All-Knower in worldly matters as he has not gone to any school or college and had no professional education; not neccesary either for him as a religious leader, but it is he how claims to be All-Knower and Almighty even in worldly matters, which even our Holy Prophet did not claim:
My friend Asghar Anis, son of Taherbhai contractor from Nagpur, did his B.E. in mechanical engineering with houhors from a reputed college in Bombay, V.J.T.I. but after applying for job for almost a year he could find a job. So he did his B.E. in electrical engineering from the same institution, but could get a job. Ultimately his phupa who was a Doctor suggested that he should take the blessings of Sayedna Saheb. Asghar went with his phupa to Sayedna Burhanuddin Saheb. Sayedna asked him "tame shoon karyoo che?" (what degree you have?). Asghar said "B.E. in mechanical and electrical engineering Huzure Aala". Sayadna asked him "Have done B.A.?" Asghar said "Huzere Aala that is an Art degree." So Sayedna told him "You do B.A. and you will get a job." Which shows that Sayedna being a man of old school of thougt had a limited knowledge of advancement in different sciences. No rgrett for it. But his foolish advice still makes you wonder!
(Asghar Anis did not go for B.A. and with whatever educational qualifications he had is now settled down happyly in Sharja with his family, though he is still a devote follower of Sayedna.
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S Insaf
I think your attempt to support the notion that education is not supported/encouraged by Aqa Mola is very weak indeed. You and Mohd Hussain must be in league as your logic is as weak as his.
One cannot reasonably expect a relgious & spiritual leader who whose only training has been in religious areas to understand the nuances of the differences between a BA and BE?. Tell me do you know how a pHD is different from an MPHIL or MSc or MA? I bet you don't!! Did not Mola encourage your friend to do further studies and obtain BA in addition to BE? I thought the point being made on this thread was about encouraging education amongst the young using the creditable educational achievements of Mazoon Saheb's family as an example. Once again you rotter's are trying to spin this into a direct attack against Aqa Mola by suggesting he is uneducated and his advice was foolish. You scoundrels - shame on you!
Education is not discouraged - indeed most young bhoras in the west do have universtiy degrees. Aqa mola encourages us to find partners that we may live within the tennets of shariah and not be alone. 'Ilm' is one of the foundations of both Islam and the DB faith. NEVER has he ever said that one should sacrifice education or knowledge.
If you cannot win the argument don't resort to trying to spin the discussion to meet your own agenda. It makes you look sad and pathetic!
I think your attempt to support the notion that education is not supported/encouraged by Aqa Mola is very weak indeed. You and Mohd Hussain must be in league as your logic is as weak as his.
One cannot reasonably expect a relgious & spiritual leader who whose only training has been in religious areas to understand the nuances of the differences between a BA and BE?. Tell me do you know how a pHD is different from an MPHIL or MSc or MA? I bet you don't!! Did not Mola encourage your friend to do further studies and obtain BA in addition to BE? I thought the point being made on this thread was about encouraging education amongst the young using the creditable educational achievements of Mazoon Saheb's family as an example. Once again you rotter's are trying to spin this into a direct attack against Aqa Mola by suggesting he is uneducated and his advice was foolish. You scoundrels - shame on you!
Education is not discouraged - indeed most young bhoras in the west do have universtiy degrees. Aqa mola encourages us to find partners that we may live within the tennets of shariah and not be alone. 'Ilm' is one of the foundations of both Islam and the DB faith. NEVER has he ever said that one should sacrifice education or knowledge.
If you cannot win the argument don't resort to trying to spin the discussion to meet your own agenda. It makes you look sad and pathetic!
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wonderful. So now we have my story and we have the story of those who claim to have been disadvantaged due to the assumed lack of focus on education.
For god's sake, the only reason you people feel that education is not being promoted is because you either refuse to understand what is being said of twist the words of Aqa Maula (TUS) to suit your twisted ideology.
Obviously pursuing PhDs are being encouraged. My Mum is a fine example. She's doing a PhD in language and is being encouraged by Aqa Maula (TUS) to do so. So many other people are doing science PhDs with Maula's blessings.
Why do you keep on pressing your dumb reformist point of view when the evidence is against you?
For god's sake, the only reason you people feel that education is not being promoted is because you either refuse to understand what is being said of twist the words of Aqa Maula (TUS) to suit your twisted ideology.
Obviously pursuing PhDs are being encouraged. My Mum is a fine example. She's doing a PhD in language and is being encouraged by Aqa Maula (TUS) to do so. So many other people are doing science PhDs with Maula's blessings.
Why do you keep on pressing your dumb reformist point of view when the evidence is against you?
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Did not Mola encourage your friend to do further studies and obtain BA in addition to BE?
dear Jah
in the previous case Mola just gave Asghar a random advice .. or rather misdirected him instead of encouraging him ...since as you said that Mola did not know the difference between BA, BE, MPhil ..etc
Imagine a stranger seeking directions in an unknown neighborhood ... and then he bumps in to another person who is also a stranger and asks him for directions. This second stranger starts giving him advice as if he knew this area very well ... i.e. misdirects stranger 1.
I have seen this happen many times, not just education but people going for razaa for starting business, building homes, seeking medical advice ...etc. Some times back unemployed bohri folks were being directed to go to Cairo and start business there. Cairos' primary economy is touristry and agriculture, how does a Bohra trader fit in ...? just to swell the jamaat numbers there maybe ...
So far as Anhars' story about his mom being encouraged to do PhD by form a university in UK is concerned ..it seems obvious to me that he is well connected (has some sheiks/mullas in the family), he pays a ton of money to kothari guys and obviously Aqua Moula will give his family razaa to do whatever they want to ... is that correct Anhar ... ?
dear Jah
in the previous case Mola just gave Asghar a random advice .. or rather misdirected him instead of encouraging him ...since as you said that Mola did not know the difference between BA, BE, MPhil ..etc
Imagine a stranger seeking directions in an unknown neighborhood ... and then he bumps in to another person who is also a stranger and asks him for directions. This second stranger starts giving him advice as if he knew this area very well ... i.e. misdirects stranger 1.
I have seen this happen many times, not just education but people going for razaa for starting business, building homes, seeking medical advice ...etc. Some times back unemployed bohri folks were being directed to go to Cairo and start business there. Cairos' primary economy is touristry and agriculture, how does a Bohra trader fit in ...? just to swell the jamaat numbers there maybe ...
So far as Anhars' story about his mom being encouraged to do PhD by form a university in UK is concerned ..it seems obvious to me that he is well connected (has some sheiks/mullas in the family), he pays a ton of money to kothari guys and obviously Aqua Moula will give his family razaa to do whatever they want to ... is that correct Anhar ... ?
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Anhar: You both could not be more dumber & ignorant! Bhai Insaf summed up the issue pretty well & you did not answer any of his querries regarding Syedna"s betrayal & ignorance! Go & look at the stone that is lying in Dawwod Baug in Bombay where Syedna was going to build a Fine Saifee tehnical Institute! Where is that? Does this community have any prestigious colleges or hostels built in any of the big cities in India Or abroad? the example of your Mom"s education is unique & all credit goes to her & no one else! The condition of schools run by Kothar are pathetic & they are always begging for money! Pleasse don't be blind ! Look around & but if you are just plain fanatic I can argue with you!Most women once they get married do not pursue the education as it has happened to blind beleivers of my cousins ,Nephews & nieces -Some of them were very bright & folloed the wrong advice given by Syedna & Amils-
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One who knows not, and knows that he knows not – he is simple – teach him.
One who knows not, and knows not that he knows not – he is foolish – shun him.
One who knows and knows that he knows – he is wise – follow him.
Long fellow
Dear anhar! please decide in which category our beloved Daiz-Zaman falls.
According to the qualifications for a Dai laid down by Sayedna Ahmed bin Muhammad Nishapuri in Risalah Al-Mujazah al-kafiyah fi Adab al-Duat, Dai as missionary should be well versed in Religious knowledge (not of his religion but of other's religions too) as well knowledge of worldly affair. But still I said I do not expect present Dai to have such knowledge because he is a religious leader. He does not possess many other qualifications prescribed for a Dai. The answer I expected from an high official of Fatimi Dawah was "I do Dua for you, don't get dishearten, keep on trying, God will definitely help you." Rather then falling in the category of 'knows not and knows not that he knows not' and advising my friend to do B.A. and then try his luck. I admit that I was wrong to expect any such sensible answer from him.
One who knows not, and knows not that he knows not – he is foolish – shun him.
One who knows and knows that he knows – he is wise – follow him.
Long fellow
Dear anhar! please decide in which category our beloved Daiz-Zaman falls.
According to the qualifications for a Dai laid down by Sayedna Ahmed bin Muhammad Nishapuri in Risalah Al-Mujazah al-kafiyah fi Adab al-Duat, Dai as missionary should be well versed in Religious knowledge (not of his religion but of other's religions too) as well knowledge of worldly affair. But still I said I do not expect present Dai to have such knowledge because he is a religious leader. He does not possess many other qualifications prescribed for a Dai. The answer I expected from an high official of Fatimi Dawah was "I do Dua for you, don't get dishearten, keep on trying, God will definitely help you." Rather then falling in the category of 'knows not and knows not that he knows not' and advising my friend to do B.A. and then try his luck. I admit that I was wrong to expect any such sensible answer from him.
Re: Education level of Mazoon Saheb's Family Members
We believe that the followers of a spiritual leader should only seek blessings and benedictions from the leader,not seek advice, guidance or raza from the spiritual - unless the spiritual leader or his hangers-on have sufficient and specific worldly knowledge and experience to guide the flock.
The Aga Khan employs very experienced paid counsellors and consultants throughout the world to guide his followers. Advice or guidance by the Aga Khan is NOT given impulsively at the spur of the moment (like the Syedna does) but after a careful and calculated assessment of all the facts and circumstances and risk management.
Two personal experiences:
a) a cousin of ours, after receiving his visa to immigrate, sought Syedna's raza. Syedna declined and asked our cousin to stay put.
The cousin then sent his Mum (my aunt) to Syedna to seek raza. Syedna gave consent for the son to immigrate.
b) A highly qualified and experienced person, we know, lost his job but got two other offers soon after - one in his country of residence and the other in the neighbouring border country. He asked Syedna to make a decision for him. Syedna asked him to accept the job in his country of residence. He did and got fired from the job soon after. Without seeking Syedna's raza again, he then accepted the other job in the neighbouring country which was still open. And he lived happily ever after!.
The moral of the story : SEEK BLESSINGS AND BENEDICTIONS - NOT RAZA, GUIDANCE OR ADVICE from your spiritual leader.
Almighty Allah has given humans enough intelligence to weigh all options and assess risks to make a decision and then accept the consequences of his/her actions.
The Aga Khan employs very experienced paid counsellors and consultants throughout the world to guide his followers. Advice or guidance by the Aga Khan is NOT given impulsively at the spur of the moment (like the Syedna does) but after a careful and calculated assessment of all the facts and circumstances and risk management.
Two personal experiences:
a) a cousin of ours, after receiving his visa to immigrate, sought Syedna's raza. Syedna declined and asked our cousin to stay put.
The cousin then sent his Mum (my aunt) to Syedna to seek raza. Syedna gave consent for the son to immigrate.
b) A highly qualified and experienced person, we know, lost his job but got two other offers soon after - one in his country of residence and the other in the neighbouring border country. He asked Syedna to make a decision for him. Syedna asked him to accept the job in his country of residence. He did and got fired from the job soon after. Without seeking Syedna's raza again, he then accepted the other job in the neighbouring country which was still open. And he lived happily ever after!.
The moral of the story : SEEK BLESSINGS AND BENEDICTIONS - NOT RAZA, GUIDANCE OR ADVICE from your spiritual leader.
Almighty Allah has given humans enough intelligence to weigh all options and assess risks to make a decision and then accept the consequences of his/her actions.
Re: Education level of Mazoon Saheb's Family Members
The question is not what sayadna knows or not know, just the concept of one having to go to him for RAZA for education is sickening.If he is so concerned about higher education, as you kotharis/chamchas imply, can you please provide with information of him starting any higher educational institution anywhere?
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Re: Education level of Mazoon Saheb's Family Members
None-Br Anwar! He did make some anouncements in the company of politicians but they are all empty promises! Saifee hospital is claimed to be built by Syedna but the fact is that bohras from India & acroos the globe have donated for it! Aqa moula just gives "duas" --
Re: Education level of Mazoon Saheb's Family Members
"can you please provide with information of him starting any higher educational institution anywhere?"
---Ever heard of Jamia Saifyah..Karachi. How about Mahad al'Zahra, the Quranic academy which an extension of the the Jamia in Surat.
---Ever heard of Jamia Saifyah..Karachi. How about Mahad al'Zahra, the Quranic academy which an extension of the the Jamia in Surat.
Re: Education level of Mazoon Saheb's Family Members
Yes friend we have heard about Jamiya-Saifia - Karachi established and run by non other than our able Daiz-Zaman . We have also a horrified records of people associated with it in front of us, which speaks volumes for the care our Daiz-Zaman has been taking for education, Please read again the following news item from Karachi:
A Few Horrible & Ghastly Episodes of Karachi
Sent by E-mail to Bohra Chronicle by Kazi Shaikh Abbas Burhany on 5th Feb. 2003
An endless series of Rapes, Murders & live burnt to death crimes on Women have forced us to draw your attention for help of oppressed Dawoodi Bohra women and their families:
1) A little time ago, one unskillful nasty Mulla Abbas Maila, Secretary of Nooruddin Bhaisaheb Zakiuddin , Amil of Husami Masjid, Block C, Barkate-Haideri, North Nazimabad, Karachi (Telephone Numbers: 6635067-6639289-6635253-0300-8229252) raped a few innocent girls. Two of them were wives of his close friends. One of the victims was wife of Mulla Zuhair Haider mota, son-in-law of Sheikh Jaferbhai Moayadi (Head of Surat Jamea Saifya). The above-mentioned nasty Mulla visited the victims, in the absence of their husbands and presented sacred water and forced them to drink it. He informed them that it is the water, in which Sayedna infused Barakat , as it is commonly known among the poor believers. As soon as the victims drank it, they became un-conscious. Mulla Abbas Maila fulfilled his evil desire and left afterwards.
He repeated this episode and finally was caught by a husband of a charming girl, at Barkate-Haidri, N. Nazimabad, Karachi. He was beaten up by the husband of one victim. Finally he was presented in the office of Amil Husami Masjid, where other executive members also took interest in this case. A tout of the mafia, Sheikh Zoaib Taher Mithaiwala, (Proprietor of Haidri Sweets-Ph: 6633703), uncle of the Mulla Abbas Maila, intervened in the above case and forced the Amil to leave his nephew. Zoaib is a tout of area Police Station. The greedy Amil accepted the words of his financial supporter/business partner and totally ignored the clear evidence of the victim girl. Within a few days, other victims approached the Amil and disclosed that they were also targeted by Mulla Abbas. Amil and his glove-puppets associates rebuked the oppressed girls, instead of helping them. Nooruddin shamelessly argued that evidence of any rape requires four witnesses, although six girls were confirmed raped, by Mulla Abbas, but the matter was closed under undue pressure. Crook Sheikh Zoaib Taher harassed the victims by his touts.
He threatened the victimized girls to keep quite otherwise they would face serious consequences. One of the victim's husbands contacted Police station and asked the officer to lodge the F.I.R. Police contacted the Amil for this reason and he in turn bribed the police a huge sum of money and asked to kick the aggrieved party.
Afterwards the Amil called the oppressed family and warned them not to lodged F.I.R. He argued that it would not only damage the reputation of other Sheiks/Mullas, but also Bohra community.
2) This malicious Mulla Abbas raped a girl, only 2 months ago, while she was coming back from Badri School, located at Block C, North Nazimabad. One aged man, who was passing through the Masjid, heard the crying of the girl. He paid attention towards the place and that was the Shabab office, located opposite the residence of Nooruddin Zakiuddin. The aged man shouted and tried to hold the criminal, but Mulla Abbas severely beat him and fled. The old man walked slowly, as he was beaten roughly, and reached the door of Nooruddin Bhaisaheb; he informed him the fresh crime of Abbas.
3) It is remarkable to mention that Sheikh Zoaib Taher bribed Rs.10 (ten) lakh to Nooruddin and obtained his blessings to sublet the property of Al Burhan Trust. The above Trust is running under the command of Dr. Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (T.U.S.). He has signed a 10-years-lease-contract with the Bank. Is it not ironic that poor people of the community are forced to leave the job of Banks, because of Interest dealings and the property of His Holiness is rented to Banks, for interest business? If not so, then this precedent provides Tenants of all Bohra Trusts full liberty to sublet their residential/commercial properties.
4) Look at the recent Karachi diary. Another rape was attempted by Mulla Aliasgher s/o Mulla Qurbanhussain Jaiserwala, teacher of Madresah, which runs under the Amil of Hakimi Masjid (6677619-6678048-6646179), Mustansir (cousin of Nooruddin), at Block F, N. Nazimabad, Karachi. Mulla Aliasgher raped his student, while she was alone. One day the victim's mother instructed her daughter to inform his tutor not to come tomorrow, as she intended to go bazaar. The girl informed her tutor, but he came next day as per routine, while the girl was alone. She asked him as I have informed you than why have you come? He replied that in hurry he forgot and asked as I am here so why not we take some benefits from the religious books? The innocent girl did not realize the satanic intent of Mulla and allowed him to enter in. When the mother of the innocent girl returned home she was shocked to find her daughter nude. She asked her and understood the horrible fact.
5) Mulla Aliasgher, residing at D-16, Block F, North Nazimabad, Karachi, harassed the family and warned them that you will loose your own respect in the in case you approach anyone the next time. Mulla Aliasghar is still doing his job as teacher in Madresah, under Hakimi Masjid, B/F, N. Nazimabad, Karachi. Amil Mustansir is also supporting him for reasons, known best to him. He leads Majalis, Fateha & Namaz also.
6) Third is also a case of Rape / brutal murder by Saifuddin Tayyeb Bhaisaheb, terminated Amil of the Masjid, at Model Colony. He is a son of a spiteful person, late Tayyab bhaisaheb Multani Kaliya, famous for a numerous misdeeds. He has established illegitimate sexual relation with a poor girl of his vicinity. This Amill has very bad reputation.. He was involved in (Quetta) drug trafficking and had established illegitimate relation with a Punjabi girl. While at Karachi, in Chakiwara, an un-married young and beautiful girl became his target, in sweet dream of marriage. While she became pregnant, her elders approached Saifuddin Tayyeb and begged him for marriage. He explained them that he is trying to obtain permission for second marriage from his wife and it will take some time.
He referred the case of the pregnant girl to Dr. Zakiuddin Ounwala, Surgeon at Saify Hospital, North Nazimabad (6649866) with specific instruction of Abortion. During Abortion procedure, the poor girl mysteriously died, as declared by the Surgeon in a very fishy manner. Saify Hospital is notorious for such shady Business. (Now they are building a Saify Hospital, Bombay, perhaps for the same purpose). The dead body was not handed over at Saify Hospital, but the Administrator sent it through Ambulance to the residence of the deceased, late night. A close relative of the deceased whispered that in the labor room, as soon as the Surgeon injected her, condition of the girl turned to critical, which culminated on her death. Saifuddin is also cousin of Nooruddin Zakiuddin. Under the umbrella of Nooruddin, his family members are enjoying and continuing such business.
7) The fourth case is a brutal murder of a married lady, who was burned alive by her husband, Fairoz Saifuddin Burhanpurwala. She was the daughter of Moiz Kerai Chabiwala (his shop is located near Abbasi Kutub Khana, Joona Market). It was an extremely horrible method of torture. She was burnt alive and after that in a very critical condition, admitted in Civil Hospital, where she expired. This case occurred just 3 weeks ago. Fairoz immediately rushed to his influential brother in law, Sheikh Murtaza Murbiwala, teacher of Jamea (6635166-6635899-6636100-6636208). Sheikh Murtaza Murbiwala wickedly declared at graveyard that it is a case of suicide, so the funeral ceremony is to be arranged accordingly. This cunning fellow ordered the mourners to bury the body in a pitch instead of normal grave. The aggrieved family members of the deceased were shocked. They carried the dead-body of their beloved daughter and rushed to their family graveyard, located at Sakhi HasanIn this case, Amil Nooruddin, as per routine, intervened and ordered not to lodge F.I.R., as it will damage the reputation of Jamia Saifiya. The criminals are freely moving, without any fear, as they have received assurance of safety and protection from their son-in-law, Sheikh Murtaza Morbiwala.
This is the story regarding murders of two other married Bohri women, who were also found dead in a very suspicious condition, in the vicinity of Barkate-Haidri. The mysterious deaths of the two more innocent girls are still topic of the town. These cases were also treated very cunningly as suicidal cases. The bodies were buried very quickly, under the instruction of the Amil Nooruddin Zakiuddin, without reporting to the Police.
10) One more Case is related to Sheikh Hussain Jaiserwala (Tel. No.6635166-6635899-6636100-6636208), a senior teacher of Jamia Saifia, Karachi, who raped a young girl student in her teens. She got pregnant and when the pregnancy was six months, the misdemeanor was reported to rector of Jamia. The rapist Sheikh was graciously awarded by order of top arrogant and immoral Shazada Qassim Hakimuddin, to marry the girl, when she delivers. Is it not shameful that a serious sin has been committed at the highest in Jamia and it is not reported to the police? No punishment, no dismissal. What action can we ask for, when the judge himself is also drunkard and habitual womanizer? The institution of Jamea Saifia has not only concealed the gravest of sins, committed towards innocent girls, but in the process has proved that its custodians side with rapists, scoundrels and frauds.
11) In past, loose character Sheikh Yusuf Nadir, senior professor of Jamia Saifya /Amil Adam Masjid is also one of the nasty examples. Sheikh Essa Shk Abdulkader Suratwala of Jamia is habitual homosexual. He spoiled lives of several youngsters at Jamia. Yusuf Janoowala, Mustafa Rawalpindiwala, Saifuddin Skh Alihussain Madraswala, Ali Lahori, Shabbir Chatni, Yusuf Africawala are few of them, whose cases were reported, but no action was taken against Sheikh Essa Surti. Sheikh Essa's wife, Nafisa is tired of him and finally she established illicit liaison with Sheikh Mustafa Tawawala. This is an open secret. Jamia Saifyah is converted at present into a criminals' dent.
12) One more Case is regarding Sheikh Kanchwala, who is working at Adam Masjid, as a right hand of handicap Mansoor bhaisaheb. He has arranged bail for his arrested prostitute sister, who runs a brothel under Fakhruddin Veerji. A prostitute, Yasmin was arrested red handedly. One of the arrested prostitutes was Rubab bai, aunt of Sheikh Hussain Gain, who enjoys unprecedented powers. She is a supplier of young girls to the executives of Faize Hakimi Council, Dawoodi Bohra Jamat. She destroyed the lives of many innocent girls. Her way of crime is unique. She approaches the family of the girl with proposal. On observing the interest, she asks for meeting of he boy and girl outside. She takes responsibility of the meeting and afterwards girl looses her chastity at man's place. Notorious Sheikh Hussain Gain, approached the police only for his sweet aunty. Her associates' prostitutes were denied bail, but when they send messages to the nasty Sheikh Mustansir Poonawala and Sheikh Mustafa Tawawalla with threat to disclose their names in evidence, as their regular customers, they immediately arranged the bail.
A Few Horrible & Ghastly Episodes of Karachi
Sent by E-mail to Bohra Chronicle by Kazi Shaikh Abbas Burhany on 5th Feb. 2003
An endless series of Rapes, Murders & live burnt to death crimes on Women have forced us to draw your attention for help of oppressed Dawoodi Bohra women and their families:
1) A little time ago, one unskillful nasty Mulla Abbas Maila, Secretary of Nooruddin Bhaisaheb Zakiuddin , Amil of Husami Masjid, Block C, Barkate-Haideri, North Nazimabad, Karachi (Telephone Numbers: 6635067-6639289-6635253-0300-8229252) raped a few innocent girls. Two of them were wives of his close friends. One of the victims was wife of Mulla Zuhair Haider mota, son-in-law of Sheikh Jaferbhai Moayadi (Head of Surat Jamea Saifya). The above-mentioned nasty Mulla visited the victims, in the absence of their husbands and presented sacred water and forced them to drink it. He informed them that it is the water, in which Sayedna infused Barakat , as it is commonly known among the poor believers. As soon as the victims drank it, they became un-conscious. Mulla Abbas Maila fulfilled his evil desire and left afterwards.
He repeated this episode and finally was caught by a husband of a charming girl, at Barkate-Haidri, N. Nazimabad, Karachi. He was beaten up by the husband of one victim. Finally he was presented in the office of Amil Husami Masjid, where other executive members also took interest in this case. A tout of the mafia, Sheikh Zoaib Taher Mithaiwala, (Proprietor of Haidri Sweets-Ph: 6633703), uncle of the Mulla Abbas Maila, intervened in the above case and forced the Amil to leave his nephew. Zoaib is a tout of area Police Station. The greedy Amil accepted the words of his financial supporter/business partner and totally ignored the clear evidence of the victim girl. Within a few days, other victims approached the Amil and disclosed that they were also targeted by Mulla Abbas. Amil and his glove-puppets associates rebuked the oppressed girls, instead of helping them. Nooruddin shamelessly argued that evidence of any rape requires four witnesses, although six girls were confirmed raped, by Mulla Abbas, but the matter was closed under undue pressure. Crook Sheikh Zoaib Taher harassed the victims by his touts.
He threatened the victimized girls to keep quite otherwise they would face serious consequences. One of the victim's husbands contacted Police station and asked the officer to lodge the F.I.R. Police contacted the Amil for this reason and he in turn bribed the police a huge sum of money and asked to kick the aggrieved party.
Afterwards the Amil called the oppressed family and warned them not to lodged F.I.R. He argued that it would not only damage the reputation of other Sheiks/Mullas, but also Bohra community.
2) This malicious Mulla Abbas raped a girl, only 2 months ago, while she was coming back from Badri School, located at Block C, North Nazimabad. One aged man, who was passing through the Masjid, heard the crying of the girl. He paid attention towards the place and that was the Shabab office, located opposite the residence of Nooruddin Zakiuddin. The aged man shouted and tried to hold the criminal, but Mulla Abbas severely beat him and fled. The old man walked slowly, as he was beaten roughly, and reached the door of Nooruddin Bhaisaheb; he informed him the fresh crime of Abbas.
3) It is remarkable to mention that Sheikh Zoaib Taher bribed Rs.10 (ten) lakh to Nooruddin and obtained his blessings to sublet the property of Al Burhan Trust. The above Trust is running under the command of Dr. Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (T.U.S.). He has signed a 10-years-lease-contract with the Bank. Is it not ironic that poor people of the community are forced to leave the job of Banks, because of Interest dealings and the property of His Holiness is rented to Banks, for interest business? If not so, then this precedent provides Tenants of all Bohra Trusts full liberty to sublet their residential/commercial properties.
4) Look at the recent Karachi diary. Another rape was attempted by Mulla Aliasgher s/o Mulla Qurbanhussain Jaiserwala, teacher of Madresah, which runs under the Amil of Hakimi Masjid (6677619-6678048-6646179), Mustansir (cousin of Nooruddin), at Block F, N. Nazimabad, Karachi. Mulla Aliasgher raped his student, while she was alone. One day the victim's mother instructed her daughter to inform his tutor not to come tomorrow, as she intended to go bazaar. The girl informed her tutor, but he came next day as per routine, while the girl was alone. She asked him as I have informed you than why have you come? He replied that in hurry he forgot and asked as I am here so why not we take some benefits from the religious books? The innocent girl did not realize the satanic intent of Mulla and allowed him to enter in. When the mother of the innocent girl returned home she was shocked to find her daughter nude. She asked her and understood the horrible fact.
5) Mulla Aliasgher, residing at D-16, Block F, North Nazimabad, Karachi, harassed the family and warned them that you will loose your own respect in the in case you approach anyone the next time. Mulla Aliasghar is still doing his job as teacher in Madresah, under Hakimi Masjid, B/F, N. Nazimabad, Karachi. Amil Mustansir is also supporting him for reasons, known best to him. He leads Majalis, Fateha & Namaz also.
6) Third is also a case of Rape / brutal murder by Saifuddin Tayyeb Bhaisaheb, terminated Amil of the Masjid, at Model Colony. He is a son of a spiteful person, late Tayyab bhaisaheb Multani Kaliya, famous for a numerous misdeeds. He has established illegitimate sexual relation with a poor girl of his vicinity. This Amill has very bad reputation.. He was involved in (Quetta) drug trafficking and had established illegitimate relation with a Punjabi girl. While at Karachi, in Chakiwara, an un-married young and beautiful girl became his target, in sweet dream of marriage. While she became pregnant, her elders approached Saifuddin Tayyeb and begged him for marriage. He explained them that he is trying to obtain permission for second marriage from his wife and it will take some time.
He referred the case of the pregnant girl to Dr. Zakiuddin Ounwala, Surgeon at Saify Hospital, North Nazimabad (6649866) with specific instruction of Abortion. During Abortion procedure, the poor girl mysteriously died, as declared by the Surgeon in a very fishy manner. Saify Hospital is notorious for such shady Business. (Now they are building a Saify Hospital, Bombay, perhaps for the same purpose). The dead body was not handed over at Saify Hospital, but the Administrator sent it through Ambulance to the residence of the deceased, late night. A close relative of the deceased whispered that in the labor room, as soon as the Surgeon injected her, condition of the girl turned to critical, which culminated on her death. Saifuddin is also cousin of Nooruddin Zakiuddin. Under the umbrella of Nooruddin, his family members are enjoying and continuing such business.
7) The fourth case is a brutal murder of a married lady, who was burned alive by her husband, Fairoz Saifuddin Burhanpurwala. She was the daughter of Moiz Kerai Chabiwala (his shop is located near Abbasi Kutub Khana, Joona Market). It was an extremely horrible method of torture. She was burnt alive and after that in a very critical condition, admitted in Civil Hospital, where she expired. This case occurred just 3 weeks ago. Fairoz immediately rushed to his influential brother in law, Sheikh Murtaza Murbiwala, teacher of Jamea (6635166-6635899-6636100-6636208). Sheikh Murtaza Murbiwala wickedly declared at graveyard that it is a case of suicide, so the funeral ceremony is to be arranged accordingly. This cunning fellow ordered the mourners to bury the body in a pitch instead of normal grave. The aggrieved family members of the deceased were shocked. They carried the dead-body of their beloved daughter and rushed to their family graveyard, located at Sakhi HasanIn this case, Amil Nooruddin, as per routine, intervened and ordered not to lodge F.I.R., as it will damage the reputation of Jamia Saifiya. The criminals are freely moving, without any fear, as they have received assurance of safety and protection from their son-in-law, Sheikh Murtaza Morbiwala.
This is the story regarding murders of two other married Bohri women, who were also found dead in a very suspicious condition, in the vicinity of Barkate-Haidri. The mysterious deaths of the two more innocent girls are still topic of the town. These cases were also treated very cunningly as suicidal cases. The bodies were buried very quickly, under the instruction of the Amil Nooruddin Zakiuddin, without reporting to the Police. 10) One more Case is related to Sheikh Hussain Jaiserwala (Tel. No.6635166-6635899-6636100-6636208), a senior teacher of Jamia Saifia, Karachi, who raped a young girl student in her teens. She got pregnant and when the pregnancy was six months, the misdemeanor was reported to rector of Jamia. The rapist Sheikh was graciously awarded by order of top arrogant and immoral Shazada Qassim Hakimuddin, to marry the girl, when she delivers. Is it not shameful that a serious sin has been committed at the highest in Jamia and it is not reported to the police? No punishment, no dismissal. What action can we ask for, when the judge himself is also drunkard and habitual womanizer? The institution of Jamea Saifia has not only concealed the gravest of sins, committed towards innocent girls, but in the process has proved that its custodians side with rapists, scoundrels and frauds.
11) In past, loose character Sheikh Yusuf Nadir, senior professor of Jamia Saifya /Amil Adam Masjid is also one of the nasty examples. Sheikh Essa Shk Abdulkader Suratwala of Jamia is habitual homosexual. He spoiled lives of several youngsters at Jamia. Yusuf Janoowala, Mustafa Rawalpindiwala, Saifuddin Skh Alihussain Madraswala, Ali Lahori, Shabbir Chatni, Yusuf Africawala are few of them, whose cases were reported, but no action was taken against Sheikh Essa Surti. Sheikh Essa's wife, Nafisa is tired of him and finally she established illicit liaison with Sheikh Mustafa Tawawala. This is an open secret. Jamia Saifyah is converted at present into a criminals' dent.
12) One more Case is regarding Sheikh Kanchwala, who is working at Adam Masjid, as a right hand of handicap Mansoor bhaisaheb. He has arranged bail for his arrested prostitute sister, who runs a brothel under Fakhruddin Veerji. A prostitute, Yasmin was arrested red handedly. One of the arrested prostitutes was Rubab bai, aunt of Sheikh Hussain Gain, who enjoys unprecedented powers. She is a supplier of young girls to the executives of Faize Hakimi Council, Dawoodi Bohra Jamat. She destroyed the lives of many innocent girls. Her way of crime is unique. She approaches the family of the girl with proposal. On observing the interest, she asks for meeting of he boy and girl outside. She takes responsibility of the meeting and afterwards girl looses her chastity at man's place. Notorious Sheikh Hussain Gain, approached the police only for his sweet aunty. Her associates' prostitutes were denied bail, but when they send messages to the nasty Sheikh Mustansir Poonawala and Sheikh Mustafa Tawawalla with threat to disclose their names in evidence, as their regular customers, they immediately arranged the bail.
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Re: Education level of Mazoon Saheb's Family Members
Br Qiyam: How many Bohras are studying at these so called higher institution & how many common bohras can afford to go there? Do you know that these institutions are not free& besides they are more oreinted in making those mullas & amils than your regular kind of professionals? So you could not count one good facility that Syedna established for the common bohras!
Re: Education level of Mazoon Saheb's Family Members
S. Insaf and MH,
Firstly, I don't know if these incidents as quoted are true, half-true, or made up. Reformist have a habits of making up things and waiting for others to prove them wrong.
Secondly, ASSUMING it is true, is the Jamia a failure...is the Dai responsible for the action of every bohra.
Of the incidents, only one is related to the Jamia itself, and that where a girl has sex and is impregnated by a Jamia teacher under the charge that it was rape. According to islamic law...that person must marry the girl.
"How many Bohras are studying at these so called higher institution & how many common bohras can afford to go there?"
---the vast majority are free room and board, and personally know this because many of my friends who attended told me this.
"..they are more oreinted in making those mullas & amils than your regular kind of professionals?"
--Actually you are wrong...majority of those that go there and go on to get their bachelors are either B Comm or B Science. The religious background is given to everyone who attends.
"So you could not count one good facility that Syedna established for the common bohras!"
--Based on what you wrote...you know little of common bohras to make that statement.
Firstly, I don't know if these incidents as quoted are true, half-true, or made up. Reformist have a habits of making up things and waiting for others to prove them wrong.
Secondly, ASSUMING it is true, is the Jamia a failure...is the Dai responsible for the action of every bohra.
Of the incidents, only one is related to the Jamia itself, and that where a girl has sex and is impregnated by a Jamia teacher under the charge that it was rape. According to islamic law...that person must marry the girl.
"How many Bohras are studying at these so called higher institution & how many common bohras can afford to go there?"
---the vast majority are free room and board, and personally know this because many of my friends who attended told me this.
"..they are more oreinted in making those mullas & amils than your regular kind of professionals?"
--Actually you are wrong...majority of those that go there and go on to get their bachelors are either B Comm or B Science. The religious background is given to everyone who attends.
"So you could not count one good facility that Syedna established for the common bohras!"
--Based on what you wrote...you know little of common bohras to make that statement.