Godmen and Godly Men

[sunni]

I am a sunni muslim and was surprised to read the comments of people on this board. I always thought of Bohras as very soft people.

What I fail to understand every now and then is how could people fall for Godmen like the Sayyidnas and some of the living bhagwans amongst the Hindus like Rajneesh and that curly haired sai baba. Few days ago I saw a picture of a computer engineer from Chennai standing in front of Jaylalitha's idol and doing arti. The present Bohra community very much resembles that picture.
I mean the best part of being a muslim is that there are no intercessors between you and Allah.
We sunnis have so many maulanas and muftis etc. but we are free to dislike them and evn condemn them. Only a handful are taken for a ride by some fake leaders like Bukhari. I do not know of any sensible muslim who praises Bukhari. I do not on the other hand even understand these reformist bohrsa also. They are more into media and publicity and debate over issues than doing something about it. If they really intend a reform from within then why don't they do some real dawat and tabligh like rasullah and the sahba did. Rasullah did not sit in a room and write leaflets about the evils of the sociiety and distribute it to people but instead he went door to door person to person and gave them the dawat of the oneness of allah. What I am saying is instead of challenging the Sayyidnas why don't the reformists set an examlple themselves. Don't lament the leaders as it will only infuriate thier followers and make them stronger, Instead people should see you in the mosque five times a day, people should see you levaving a meeting, function, gathering as soon as the tiem for salat comes. People should see you following the example of rasulallah SAW day in and day out, resulting in some godly or god-fearng men. Seeing you the size of these godmen will autamtically increase.

I always thaught on the same lines after the babri Mosque incident and then also this latest Gujarat incident. If being a muslim is about having faith in the fact taht only Allah can help if we follow his comandments then lets do it. Allah is the same Allah as he was for the sahaba and the prophets, so if Allah changed the quality of fire for Ibrahim(pbuh) or gave victory to 300 sahaba over 1000 quresh then why won't he help us if try to have the level of faith that these people had. By Allah if after babri mosque demolition instead of unruly anger and rioting the muslims of India did just one thing i.e. fill the mosques with musallis fiev times a day, even 1/4 of he people that come for juma started coming to the mosques 5 times Allah would have put fear in the hearts of those intended to harm us. This would have been non-violence at its best.The mere sight of a crowd of muslims going towards the mosques 5 times a day would have been enough to scare the hell out of everyone and would surely ahve been a source of hidayat too for others.

[sunni]

"Seeing you the size of these godmen will autamtically increase". I meant 'decrease'

[Muddai]

Sunni,

I must say this is a very self-serving post.

What I fail to understand every now and then is how could people fall for Godmen like the Sayyidnas and some of the living bhagwans amongst the Hindus like Rajneesh and that curly haired sai baba. Few days ago I saw a picture of a computer engineer from Chennai standing in front of Jaylalitha's idol and doing arti. The present Bohra community very much resembles that picture.

This is not as harmful as Sunnis falling for the likes of Osama. Few days ago I saw Sunni Muslims living in a cave with Osama, carrying guns, and training to kill other Muslims. The present Sunni community very much resembles that picture

If you don’t believe in the above, then you shouldn’t believe in what you wrote.

I am simply pointing out the fallacy of your observation. Consider this as an extrapolation of your statement:

Bohras fall for Godmen not unlike the Sunnis fall for Hadith writers. You must worship them right ? After all you take the written word of the various interpreters of the Hadith as God's truth and live your life according to it, correct ?

Sunni literati , in my opinion, should be more concerned with violence and terrorism attributed to them,and disgracing the entire Muslim populace, rather than worrying about Bohras who don’t take political positions because the leadership doesn’t want to offend anyone that protects their illegitimate financial schemes.

Regards

[anajmi]

Muddai,

The above post proves that you haven't yet been able to distinguish between apples and oranges.

You should keep your extrapolations to yourself cause that is the only person they would make sense to.

[Muslim]

I don't think so Anajmi - made sense to me. "Sunni"'s criticism of Bohra rituals (which co-incidentally is remarkably similar to MF's) is superficial when compared to the intellectual stagnation and image problem of Muslims in general.

Originally posted by anajmi:
Muddai,

The above post proves that you haven't yet been able to distinguish between apples and oranges.

You should keep your extrapolations to yourself cause that is the only person they would make sense to.

[Muslim First]

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Br. Muslim

AS

Please be assured that I have not reincarnated as "Sunni".

Wasalaam
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[Muslim First]

Br. Muddai's

Bohras fall for Godmen not unlike the Sunnis fall for Hadith writers

Hadith writes (actually Hadith recorders) are not revered like Bohra worship of Sultan Burhaddin.

Both Majority and minority of sect's foundations is Hadith or Ahidith. One believes on a Hadith which passed leadership to Hz. Ali RA and one discounts it. So what is the difference?

Wasalaam

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[porus]

Hadith/Ahadith are valid only as long as they are approved by the current Dai.

Hadith has no place as a guide to daily living. Its only purpose is to fill up the time during bayaan and vaiz.

The only guide to life is the pronouncements of the CURRENT Dai, who has complete liberty to interpret, discount, invent and delete any hadith he deems appropriate.

Sadaqa Sayedna Muhammad Burhanuddin (TUS)

[anajmi]

Brother Muslim,

I am not being sarcastic when I say that what you said does not make sense to me.

I may be an idiot but that does not mean that when I call you a fool, you are not.

[anajmi]

It is like the Americans with the biggest arsenal of WMDs in the world being shit-scared of Iraq's non-existent WMDs, starting an illegal war for the (according to them) sake of peace and occupying a country to establish democracy.

If that makes sense to you then everthing else should too.

[serendipity]

Re: sunni saying -- "the best part of being a muslim is that there are no intercessors between you and Allah. We sunnis have so many maulanas and muftis etc. but we are free to dislike them and even condemn them." Yes, certainly many of them are at least as condemnable as any bohra ones.

But are you also humble enough to allow for the possibility of one who prays WITH you, providing guidance from Allah (even beyond what you can grasp)?

[Muddai]

It is like the Americans with the biggest arsenal of WMDs in the world being shit-scared of Iraq's non-existent WMDs

Considering what a Wahabi ,carrying a stick, living in the mountains, not bathing often, can actually lead Sunni's to do ( killing 3000 civilains...), I kinda understand the paranoia !

starting an illegal war

Which for most Muslims in the Middle East is liberation (sad ain't it)

If that makes sense to you then everthing else should too

Well not quite....unless you can cite gleaming examples of Muslims respecting Muslim views and freedoms in any (one ?) Muslim country.