where is the ziarat of present syedna's mother? why no

[accountability]

I am very curious, if present syedna's mother was ill treated, why didn't he revolt against his father. As we see, he is very mindfull of his father's status.

It is true, I have never heard him mentioning his own mother. Every tom and harry has any thing named after him, but there is memorabla of his mother. No foundation in his mother's name etc.

The other question is who are syedna's real brothers, I do not know, if he has any real brother living.

Who are his half brothers. Is mazoon saheb his real or half brother. What about mukasir saheb, is his real or half brother.

Insaf, Zulfiqar, if you both can shed some light on it. It will make it easier to understand the back ground.

[accountability]

Dear Insaf

What are the names of syedna Tahir Saifuddin's bhai and bhabhi. Please let us know, I want to do my own research on this.

[S. Insaf]

Present Mazoon Saheb, Khuzema bhaisaheb Qutbuddin saheb and Mukasir Husain bhaisaheb and late Asma bahen Saheba are Sayedna Burhanuddin's own brothers and sister from mother Husaina I-saheba.

[accountability]

But why didn't Mazoon and Mukasir sahebs protested against their mother's ill treatment.

[Al Zulfiqar]

Bro Insaf,

A slight correction please. The information I had posted is 'not my work', but obtained from a document which originates from the Luqmani family itself!

Since you have now mentioned their names, I would appreciate having the tel. no and contacts of Bhai Ahmedbhai Luqmani. You will have to excuse me if I say that I would have to consult with him and his family members first before deciding to post that entire document here. That would be only fair, as they are the owners of it. If they prefer keeping it buried deep, as it has been for the past several decades, then I will have to perforce respect their wishes.

I do have plenty of my own contacts in London, but have never in all these years ever tried to get in touch with the Luqmani's through them and revive this matter. Actually I have been quite apprehensive of the outcome if I were to completely publish or expose the contents of this document. It is highly explosive and would lead to grave repurcussions. My joining this forum was quite a fatuous occurence and I thought I could take the risk here, leaving readers to draw their own conclusions.

I suppose you have all noticed something highly significant...Not a single fanatic or his uncle has come forward here to refute or challenge these facts!!!!! They are too embarassed, stunned and shamed at their murky past exposed, and are preferring to play the game of 'meri chup to teri bhi chup'.

As for all those who wonder why the present syedna and his entire establishment have kept silent in the face of their mother's ill-treatment by their own father, the answer is simple....! Whats more important, what is the priority for them; morals, ethics, religion or MONEY and POWER? One has to be neccessarily sacrificed at the altar of another.
QED.

[S. Insaf]

Dear Al Zulfiqar,
Please contact me on E-mail: sinsaf@yahoo.com
for telephone no. and address of Mr. Lukmani.

[Zeal]

Bro Zulfiqar & Bro Insaf,

This topic was stopped suddenly without giving further information.

You said you will publish that document and the names and evidences of the story you have mentioned abt ts , luqmani family etc.

Please complete this or atleast let us know if you do not have any further evidences.

[S. Insaf]

Somewhere on this board I had given as much information about the family tree of 51st Dai as I had. Only one thing was missing there, name of his elder brother, Tayyeb bhaisaheb. Who according to some unverified sources was to be nomited as 51st Dai but suddenly died because of food poisioning. Later on Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb married his widow, Vazira I-saheba giving suspition of even her involvement in the death of Tayeb bhaisaheb.
In Dawoodi Bohra history before Sayedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb full importance was given only to Dai, Mazoon and Mukasir. Other functionaries of Dawat were rarely mentioned in some context. Again except Huratul-Maleka thereafter no women had played any significant role in the affairs and management of Dawat. So even in the book like Mausam-e-Bahar one does not find names or any mension of wivies of Dais.
Now the things are much worst during present Dai. Even Mazoon and Mukasir are not given any importance. Even today many Bohras do not know Mukasir Saheb's name though every one remembers late Mukasir Saleh bhaisaheb Safiuddin. Sayedna Saheb's sons and grandsons are dominating the Dawat. I think even Sayedna Saheb is powerless though things are still carried on in his name.

[Zeal]

Quote from Insaf:

Somewhere on this board I had given as much information about the family tree of 51st Dai as I had
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Can some one please guide me to this topic on this board ?

[S. Insaf]

Why didn't Burhanuddin Saheb, his brothers, Mazoon and Mukasir sahebs protested against their mother's ill treatment?
We are not aware of the power politics played then but I feel it is a question of temperament. Difference between the temperaments of Imam Hasan and Imam Husain are for any one to Judge though both are rightful imams.
Why I am alone from my entire family in the reform movement, though each member of my family still love me and care about me? My sister whever she comes to meet me, in a city like Bombay she dare not come without putting towels on the glasses of taxi.

[accountability]

Dear Insaf

Next time I will visit mumbai, I will come to visit you without darkened car panes. It is just internal fear, once you do away with it, no one can make you afraid. Oh sorry, I should have said, if you would like, I shall visit you.

[S. Insaf]

Dear brother accountability,
I live in a mixed locality, there are no Bohras close by. But the fear makes my sister behave strangely.
You are most welcome to come and stay with me whenever you are in Bombay. Fortunately there is enough space in my house and heart.

[accountability]

thankyou

[jamanpasand]

This was incomplete sensational thread from Al-Zulfiqar

[seeker110]

Start of the topic was about syedna mother.I have a feeling why there is no love between him and his mom.
Whenever one puts a small child to go to work at an early age(all the little kids sitting around syedna recieving salam envolopes from people)the child looses out on things the child is suppose to do.Instead of getting love and effection he becomes a earner,most the the kids become tool of trade.They become self sufficiant at an early age.they probably feel lost.When they see the parents looting money they loose respect.Sometimes they blame the mother for not rescueing them from the situation.Thus,they defy or dispise the mother.
Later on in their life they learn what they they were taught in their earlier life.Since they cannot make a living in normal way,they obey and respect the father,only because of way of making money.
If we ever get a chance to see the propigs childrens report cards from school we will definately see the proof of a child neglected by their parents.Even if they do good in school they will have huge problems in life,of the darker side.
What a curse it is in life to be born in a home of this kind.Nothing normal here.
Never seen dad going away to put in a hard days work.Mom devoting all her time for the children.Just the family,being together.Oh what a tangled web.

[udaipurresident]

Al zulfiqar ,,,,the 2nd part of ur story is still awaited.Have you forgotten to rope the plants u have posted or was it a fairy tale.its been nearly 15 months but the entire tale has not been told. is it a true story or just a fairy tale....

[pro_pig]

it was a fairy tale probally he dont know who is his mother that y he(zulfiqar) is looking for it.

[like_minded]

Originally posted by pro_pig:
it was a fairy tale probally he dont know who is his mother that y he(zulfiqar) is looking for it.

Brother...

If you KNOW what is a fairy tale, I am sure you will not make such statements.

I have a solution for you: Please read FAIRY TALE books, you will understand, If you UNDERSTAND, I am sure you can SEE THROUGH Kothar... I am confident.

[pro_pig]

like-minded,
i go trough fairy tale every single day n its fun.if u wanna want go www.progressive dawoodi-bohra.com. its fun

[like_minded]

Originally posted by pro_pig:
like-minded,
i go trough fairy tale every single day n its fun.if u wanna want go www.progressive dawoodi-bohra.com. its fun

I am here already... dont worry about me, Next time in a gathering (majlis,darees,urus,salgirah,just any kothar gathering) please, see the similarity. How? You figure out.

[SBM]

Mr.DUKKAR (Dawat-e-lisan translation of Pig)
I am glad that unlike your Darees and which only gives you grief and tears, this board provides you with laughter and fun. Please tell other grieved members of Kothari family to visit and enjoy the life here

[pro_pig]

chakaa ((Dawat-e-lisan translation
of ombharati)majlis,darees,urus,salgirah,just any kothar gathering sure we will going to meet but u will come for jamaan. :p

[Al Zulfiqar]

it will please all those who have patiently waited to read the manuscript which i had promised so long ago, that i have finally found the papers after a lot of searching.

Its a good closely typed 50 A4 pages and i would like to know how i can reproduce it here.

admin, can u please advise? i cannot re-type the entire document all over again, so should i just scan it one page at a time and keep posting it here? if so, pls advise how to scan and upload the same as i do not see any facility here to attach pictures/scans.

[Danish]

Zulfiqar,

If your scanner is a flatbed single use, then you can only scan and save your documents page by page and then later collate and combine them into one whole document in a folder.

If your scanner is a multipurpose with an ADF (Automatic Document Feeder), then you can scan and save all your documents at once as one whole document in a folder.

In both the above scenarios, set the scanning attribute to high for superior quality and clarity. Although not necessary, you can then reduce the size/volume of that folder by compressing it without reducing its quality. This is done by the application or software installed in your computer. You can use PrintShop, Adobe, Corel, MS Office Document and Imaging, Windows Imaging and Paint, etc. I would recommend using the Adobe PDF file format to save your documents when scanning.

You can then sign-up for free and upload the entire document in any one of the document/photo/video uploading websites such as google.com, yahoo.com, imageshack.com, webshots.com, youshare.com, scribd.com, divshare.com, 4shared.com, and scores of others. After uploading, you can direct its URL on the main forum as a bait and sticky with a headline and intro. In this way, the forum can save a lot of its usage and capacity and your documents remain secured should the forum get “sick” for whatever reasons. But then again, it rests upon the admin’s decisions.

[Admin]

Al Zulfiqar,

We too would recommend what Danish is suggesting (thanks, Danish). Scan the document, make a PDF and upload it to any of the free sites, and then provide a link on this forum pointing to that document.

For some reason if you can't do this, send us the document and we'll see what we can do.

[abde sayedna]

wonderful stories
why dont u write a story n make apics u will earn some thing n will help u all in the reform movement

[Hussain_KSA]

Originally posted by tahir:
That shows where bohraism has come in the past 50 years. If the next dai decides to have a pet cat, you can expect a grand tomb for the animal as well. Will you then ask "where is the tomb of 51st dai's pet"?

Your query is actually an answer for "Why are we here"?[/QB]

Taher bhai,

There is Small grave in bohra Grave yard (Najam Baugh) in Auranagabad beside the Tomb of Mullah Vali Bhai Shaheed (Step brother of Sydena Ezzudding and Syedna Tayeb Zainuddin S/O Shaikh Jeevanji ancstor of present syedna) I used to wonder my parents and other in Jamat about that tiny grave and there reply was that "it is grave for the parrot for Maula who memorized the Quran".

[Al Zulfiqar]

Originally posted by abde sayedna:
wonderful stories
why dont u write a story n make apics u will earn some thing n will help u all in the reform movement

abde(himaar) syedna,

thanks for the ideas, perhaps that would be an effective way to expose the corruption and immorality of the kothar..

does anyone here have any connections with the film industry in mumbai? if it is true that the film director duo abbas-mustan are ex bohras, why not approach them?

[Al Zulfiqar]

danish and admin,

yr suggestions are noted, thanks. now i have to get my son to do the needful, he is much more tecno-savvy than i am.

[Maqbool]

Al Zulfiqar,

When you make film please keep the name of the film "AQA thya Waka"