WAJEBATS

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SBM
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WAJEBATS

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Unread post by SBM » Thu Oct 20, 2005 9:16 am

Did anyone notice(if not I wouldnot be surprised)
that this year's new Wajebat form has two new entries for sucking more money. one is Salaam/Hadiyat to Mazoon Sahib and the other is
Salaam/Hadiyat to Muskasir Sahib. These entries were not there last year. To be fair, they removed from last year's forms Minnat Syedna Taher Saifuddin and Minnat Syedna Burhanuddin but everyone is encouraged to give that in an envelope
I think by next year they will have two more entreis, one for Saifyee Hospital Operating Expenses and the other for one of the Shezadah incharge of local pricienct like SHAKA PARMUKH OF SHIV SENA.

anajmi
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Re: WAJEBATS

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Unread post by anajmi » Thu Oct 20, 2005 11:44 pm

With a family full of thieves and beggars, I am surprised there are only two entries.

Muslim First
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Re: WAJEBATS

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Unread post by Muslim First » Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:19 am

.
Br. Omabharti
AS

Would it be too much for you to list all catogary.

This is for knowledge for non Bohra like me.

Wasalaam
.

SBM
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Re: WAJEBATS

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Unread post by SBM » Fri Oct 21, 2005 6:21 pm

Gladly
For this year's form the category is as follows:
Zakat Ul Maal
Nazar Muqam
Khumus
Kuffarra
Minnat/Niyaaz
Najwa
Hadiyath Salaam Mazzon Sahib
Hadiyath Salaam Mukasir Sahib
Haqun Nafas
For Minnat to Syedna Tahir Saifuddin and Minnat to Syedna Burhanuddin from last year you are asked to put the money in an envelope and give it to AAMIL since they decided not to put on the form
In my opinion this is called rob from every where you can :( :(

Muslim First
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Re: WAJEBATS

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Unread post by Muslim First » Fri Oct 21, 2005 7:01 pm

.
Br. Omabharti
AS & Thanks

An-Najwa
Private talk between Allah and each of his slaves on the day of Resurrection. It also means secret council or consultations.
.

Is Kothar or Maula charges you for private and secrete talk or advice?

What is
Nazar Muqam?
Haqun Nafas?

Wasalaam
.

porus
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Re: WAJEBATS

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Unread post by porus » Fri Oct 21, 2005 11:53 pm

Sura Ya Sin (36:21)

"It-tabi'oo man la yas'alukum ajran. Wa hum muhtadoon."

Follow those who do not ask from you a reward in return. For they are the ones who are rightly guided.

anajmi
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Unread post by anajmi » Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:04 am

Is it any wonder, the Syedna prohibits his followers from understanding the quran!!

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Unread post by Bohra-cpl-in-Houston » Mon Oct 24, 2005 4:59 pm

Dear Omabharti,
thanks for listing all the categories. I have never seen these forms but now that u have listed them it re-assures me and I'm sure others like us that this is total BS.

However, l do have a question for you or anyone else - I have given large sums of money to earthquake, hurricane and tsunami charities. Does that count towards one's Zakaat dues? do the amilsaab normally cut you a break?

bohracplinhouston@yahoo.com

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Unread post by Bohra-cpl-in-Houston » Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:44 pm

Dear Omabharti,
thanks for listing all the categories. I have never seen these forms but now that u have listed them it re-assures me and I'm sure others like us that this is total BS.

However, l do have a question for you or anyone else - I have given large sums of money to earthquake, hurricane and tsunami charities. Does that count towards one's Zakaat dues? do the amilsaab normally cut you a break?

bohracplinhouston@yahoo.com

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Re: WAJEBATS

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Unread post by beantownvohra » Mon Oct 24, 2005 7:06 pm

@cplinhouston: Interesting - I asked a similar question at my meeting. Similar only in that I have always given monetary support to certain India based bohra families in need - and have considered that part of my Zakaat. But I was told that however noble that act was/is - it is to be considered a private act and thus not part of what my dues were this year. Wajebaat after all as I was explained is to be given directly to Aqa Moula Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb or to someone he delegates the authority to.

While the answer was not surprising, and there was much backroom wheeling and dealing on the numbers - I am still left at cross-roads as to what I need to do ...

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Re: WAJEBATS

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Unread post by Bohra-cpl-in-Houston » Tue Oct 25, 2005 1:02 pm

What exactly is Vajebaat? Is it a separate category or are all these 8 or 9 different forms of payments considered Vajebaat collectively?

Also could anyone provide such info as to what amounts if any are fixed and what are negotiable? The Quran states clearly 2.5% of a persons savings (that he has accumulated for an entire year from ramadan to ramadan) is due as Zakat. However, that is savings not EARNINGS, i.e. Quran states after a person is able to meet his and his families necesssities of life - living, food, clothing, education for children etc etc. and then the money that is left above and beyond for one whole year is charitable at 2.5% Further the quran even states that if you pay off someone's debt (a needy or poor person's debt) and not charge him or atleast not charge him interest even that is considered Zakaat.

With such simple and clear explanation - the Quran take out any need for negotiation. So is the Zakat negotiable or other amounts too. If someone could share their personal experience that would be much appreciated.

bohracplinhouston@yahoo.com

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Re: WAJEBATS

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Unread post by Shahu » Tue Oct 25, 2005 2:04 pm

2:43 And establish the Divine System, and up a Just Economic Order in society. And bow with others who bow to these Commands.

[9:119, 89:27-30 'Salat' = To follow closely, like a runners-up (Musalli) follows the winning horse (Saabiq). 'Aqimussallat' = Establish the System that facilitates the following of Divine Commands. 'Zakat' = The Cooperative Economic System where everyone works according to his capacity and is compensated according to his needs. In the interim, people spend on others whatever is more than their needs 2:219. The System of Zakat is managed by a Central Authority that ensures the development of the individuals and the society.

The 2.5 percent annual mandatory charity is a non-Qur'anic concept that trivializes the comprehensive Qur'anic System of Zakat.

Charity or 'Sadaqat' are meant only for the interim period whenever and wherever the Divinely Prescribed System of life is not yet in place.

For Central Authority, the Qur'an uses the terms 'Allah and Rasul'. After the exalted Rasul (Messenger), it is obligatory upon the believers to elect their leadership through a consultative process in a manner suitable for the times (42:38). The basic difference between the Western democracy and the Islamic government is that whereas no legislation can pass contrary to the man-made constitution in the former, no legislation can pass contrary to the Qur'an in the latter]

http://www.galaxydastak.com/cgi-bin/for ... read=25965

ZAKAT indicates personal growth (TAZKIYAH) by giving to fellow human beings. In broader terms WA AATUZ ZAKATA means establishing the Equitable Economic Order.

Giving (helping others with wealth and person) is for all humanity. It is not restricted to reaching out to Muslims alone. It is for all residents of the Islamic state. (Verses too many to enumerate).

Just as an example look at charitable deeds. The SADAQAT go to the following people:

9:60 Remember that the funds that the Central Authority receives as Alms and Charity belong to the following categories:

- The poor - Those who are not able to earn enough living to meet their basic needs, for any reason.

- Those whose running businesses have stalled or the ones who have lost their jobs, who have become needy with their active lives coming to a standstill.

- Officers who have been appointed by the government to collect alms and charity.

- Those who are hindered from joining the Divine System for financial reasons.

- To free men and women from bondage of any kind: physical slavery, unjust captivity, and oppression from any quarters.

- Those pressed under the load of ransom or heavy debt from an enemy.

- Defense of the Ideological State, in the Cause of Allah.

- The wayfarer who becomes needy, or travels to the believers in destitute condition, and the homeless son of the street.
This is a Duty from Allah. He is the Knower, the Wise and His Commands are based on Knowledge and Wisdom.

[It is important to bear in mind an almost universal misconception among Muslim scholars and the masses about the above mentioned eight categories. They understand them as pertaining to Zakat. But Zakat indicates a Just Economic Order where everyone in the society flourishes. The cornerstone of Zakat is spending whatever is more than we need, in the Cause of Allah (2:219). In more concrete terms that means turning our extra income voluntarily to the Central Authority who, in turn, will transform the State where everyone works according to his capacity and is paid according to his needs.

The Central Authority can set up a mandatory percentage of income as taxes on its citizens which would vary according to the needs of the time, be it 2.5%, 5% or more or less.

The above verse is talking about SADAQAT (alms and charity) and not ZAKAT. Sadaqat are meant to be an interim arrangement applicable any time, until the Divine System is established and the Just Economic Order is set up in the society].

http://www.galaxydastak.com/cgi-bin/for ... read=24289

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Re: WAJEBATS

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Unread post by porus » Tue Oct 25, 2005 3:23 pm

Originally posted by Bohra-cpl-in-Houston:
What exactly is Vajebaat? Is it a separate category or are all these 8 or 9 different forms of payments considered Vajebaat collectively?
Whatever you are required to pay in accordance with the form issued by your Jamaat is Waajebaat. The word simply means "Dues".

The Quran states clearly 2.5% of a persons savingsbohracplinhouston@yahoo.com[/QUOTE]

Quran mentions no such figure. Please make it a habit of quoting Sura:Ayat whenever you quote from Quran. Thank you.

Zakaat is to be paid to the Dai through his representative. It is supposed to "purify" your wealth. It is subject to negotiation. Most will try to get away by paying a minimum and Amil will try to get the maximum. To get away from negotiation, the Dai should stipulate an easily calculated sum, say x% of your gross annual income and/or y% of your total assets. Zakat is mandatory. Sadaqat, what you donate personally to good causes, whether to relatives or strangers, is voluntary and is pleasing to God.

So, consider Zakat a tax and Sadaqat a charity. Islamic government may not allow you to write off Zakat against taxes but may allow deduction for Sadaqat.

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Re: WAJEBATS

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Unread post by porus » Tue Oct 25, 2005 7:21 pm

To clarify.

Zakat is mandatory in the same way that namaaz, roza, haj, jihad, tahaarat, and walaayat are for Bohras. You are free, of course, not to abide by these if you so wish. You have free will.

However, bear in mind there may be unpleasant consequences in the herenow and hereafter for not abiding. Or there may perfectly pleasant consequences. God knows.

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Re: WAJEBATS

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:44 am

Actually "God knows" implies that no one else knows but God, which is not true, since God has described in extreme detail what he is going to do to those who disobey his commandments, zakaat being amongst the top 5!!

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Re: WAJEBATS

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Unread post by rosyworld » Wed Oct 26, 2005 10:10 am

to all those fools on boards(the so called reformist),

well the most surprizing thing is that u dickheads get time to discuss about what is vajebat and zakat etc.u fools these are not meant for ull to pay (as if ull have the gigar to pay).
why discuss and gather knowledge about something which is not concerned with ull.today what we earn is what because of karam and dua of aqa maula (t.u.s).u fools bother about urself (and speacially to that asshole sitting in housten "stop blabering about the so called donation done for the earthquake victims, stop making a news out of it.).u fools the very fact is that ull have been kicked on ur asses out of the community."na ithar ke na uther ke" ,so obviosly have no other work than coming and sitting on the board opening ur gutter and litting around.rather do some work for ur so called reformist(beggars desperatly needing funds to fight cases Ha Ha).or should we send ull down some .we have more than u can imagine. fools ull dont have anyone to guide ull .dickheads dive in the nearest gutter and take your whole community of udaipur along with ull.ur existance is of no use on earth ull will diminish like does parsis one day.wait and watch on quamat .

long live aqa maula(t.u.s)

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Re: WAJEBATS

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Unread post by anajmi » Wed Oct 26, 2005 3:47 pm

WETHEGREAT,

The Aqa Maula has just taken a bath and is ready for you to do his assambosi. Go on, do what you do best, kiss his ass!!

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Re: WAJEBATS

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Unread post by Bohra-cpl-in-Houston » Wed Oct 26, 2005 5:48 pm

Wethegreat,
Have you heard of spellcheck its "Jigar to pay" not "Gigar" you moron.

Anajmi-has a great message for you!!

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Re: WAJEBATS

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Unread post by accountability » Fri Oct 28, 2005 8:34 pm

Originally posted by Bohra-cpl-in-Houston:
Wethegreat,
Have you heard of spellcheck its "Jigar to pay" not "Gigar" you moron.

Anajmi-has a great message for you!!

bohracplinhouston@yahoo.com
bohracplinhouston

for your information and for all other i am posting the tax return for anjumane najmi toronto for year 2003




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2003
Registered Charity Information Return
for
ANJUMANE NAJMI
Basic Information Sheet
Section A. Identification
Section B. Directors/Trustees and Like Officials
Section C. Programs and General Information
Section D. Compensation
Section E. Financial Information
Section F. Other Required Information
Section G. For Foundation Only


Basic Information Sheet
Designation Charitable Organization
Fiscal Period End 2003-12-31
Registration Date 1980-06-26
BN/registration number 118787365RR0001
Telephone number (905) 882-0052
Fax number (905) 882-0490
E-mail address


Web site address


Contact Name and Position
Names the charity is known by
other than its registered name:

Program areas: The three primary areas in which the charity is now carrying on programs to achieve its charitable purposes are listed below. The program areas are ranked according to the percentage of time and resources devoted to each program area.

Rank Description Field Code % of
Emphasis
1
2
3

Section A. Identification
A1 Has the charity made any changes to its governing documents (e.g., letters patent, articles of incorporation, constitution, trust, or by-laws) that it has not previously reported?
1500
No

A2 Was the charity an internal division regulated by the governing documents of another charity (i.e., it had no governing documents establishing its independent existence)? If yes, what is the name and BN/registration number of the other charity?
1510
No

Name:

ANJUMANE NAJMI

BN/registration number:

118787365RR0001

A3 Was the charity linked to a provincial, national, or international organization? If yes, what is the name of this organization and its BN/registration number (if applicable)? 1540
No

Name:



BN/registration number:



A4 Has the charity wound-up, dissolved, or terminated operations?
1570
No

A5 Has the charity amalgamated, merged, or consolidated with another organization? 1580
No


Section B. Directors/Trustees and Like Officials

B1 Has the Charity attached a list of Director/Trustees and Like Officials? 1700
Yes

You can click on Directors/Trustees and Like Officials to open a new window that displays each person's name (first, middle initial and last name), position in the charity, and their arm's length status.

Section C. Programs and General Information
C1 Was the charity inactive during the fiscal period? If yes, please explain why in the "Ongoing programs" space below. 1800
No

C2 Describe how the charity carried out its charitable purposes during the fiscal period. Give detailed information so a reader can clearly understand what the charity actually did to fulfill its mandate. Describe the charity's ongoing programs and new programs in the spaces provided below. Do not attach additional sheets of paper or annual reports. Do not include a description of fundraising activities in this section. Grant-making charities should describe the types of organizations they support. Please number each program.
Ongoing programs:
RELIGOUS SERVICES. CULTURAL FUNCTIONS CHILDREN'S SCHOOL SUMMER CAMP. ADULT CLASSES. LECTURES /SEMINARS
New programs:

C3 For programs carried on in Canada, check the appropriate box to show where the programs were carried on.
· A single rural, city, or metropolitan area 2000


· Provincially or territorially 2010


· In more than one province or territory 2020
Yes

C4 Did the charity carry on programs, directly or indirectly, outside Canada? 2100 Yes
If yes, were any carried out:
· by employees or volunteers of the charity? 2110
· under agency agreement, contract, joint-venture, or similar arrangements? 2120 Yes
· through gifts to qualified donees? 2130
· by other means? 2140
C5 For programs the charity managed directly, outside of Canada, list the countries or regions where programs were carried on. Do not include countries or regions where programs were managed by a qualified donee.
USA
INDIA








C6 Did the charity issue scholarships, bursaries, awards, prizes, or honoraria to an individual during the fiscal period? 2300 No
C7 A charity may pursue political activities that are non-partisan, related to its charitable purposes, and limited in extent. During the fiscal period, did the charity carry out political activities or provide assistance to another organization to carry out political activities? 2400
No

C8 If the charity carried on fundraising activities, check all fundraising methods that it used during the fiscal period.
Advertisements/posters/flyers/radio or TV commercials 2500
Auctions 2510
Bingo/casino nights 2520
Collection plates/boxes 2530
Door-to-door solicitation 2540
Draws/lotteries 2550
Fundraising dinners/galas/concerts 2560
Fundraising sales (e.g., cookies, chocolate) 2570
Mail campaigns 2580
Planned-giving programs 2590
Targeted corporate donations/sponsorships 2600
Targeted contacts 2610
Telephone solicitations 2620
Tournaments/sporting events 2630
Walk-a-thons/bike-a-thons (etc.) 2640
Other 2650
Specify: 2660
C9 Did the charity use incentive-based compensation (e.g., bonuses, commissions, finder's fees, honoraria) for fundraisers? 2700 No
If yes, were these incentives paid to:
· contracted fundraisers? 2710 No
· staff or volunteers? 2720 No


C10 Did the charity charge fees for, or otherwise receive regular revenue from goods, services, or the use of the charity's assets? 2800 No
C11 Did the charity make gifts to qualified donees? 2900
No

If the charity answered "Yes", you can click on Gifts to Qualified Donees to open a new window that displays the name of each qualified donee and its location, BN/registration number, the total amount of the gift for the fiscal period, the amount, if any, of specified gifts, and whether or not it is an associated charity.
C12 If the charity received non-cash gifts (gifts in kind) for which it issued tax receipts, check all the types of gifts that apply.
Artwork/wine/jewellery 3000
Building materials 3010
Clothing/furniture/food 3020
Vehicles 3030
Cultural property 3040
Ecological property 3050
Machinery/equipment (including computers/software) 3060
Hedge funds/life insurance policies 3070
Publicly-traded securities/mutual funds 3080
Privately-held securities 3090
Other 3100
Specify: 3110

Section D. Compensation

Note: Compensation includes all forms of remuneration (e.g., salaries, fees, and honoraria) and benefits (e.g., personal use of a car or office space).
D1 On average, how many permanent, full-time, compensated positions did the charity have in the fiscal period? 3600 4
D2 For the five highest compensated positions indicate the number of positions in each of the following annual compensation categories. Include only those positions that are permanent, full-time positions.
$1-$39,999 3700 3
$40,000-$79,999 3710 1
$80,000-$119,999 3720
$119,999 and over 3730
D3 On average, how many part-time or part-year employees did the charity employ in the fiscal period? 3800
D4 What was the total expenditure on compensation for part-time or part-year employees in the fiscal period? 3850
D5 Did the charity compensate any of its directors/trustees or like officials, during the fiscal period? 3900 No
D6 Except for compensation, did the charity, directly or indirectly, transfer any part of its income or assets to individuals or organizations not at arm's length to the charity? 3950 No

Section E. Financial Information
E1 Please attach a copy of the charity's financial statements to this return. 4000
Yes

E2 May we make the attached financial statements available to the public? 4010
No

If the charity has indicated its financial statements are available to the public and you would like a copy, please contact us.
E3 Was the financial information reported below prepared on an accrual or cash basis? 4020
ACCRUAL
E4 Figures are shown to the nearest single dollar.
Assets
Cash, bank accounts, and short-term investments 4100
$ 913,497

Amounts receivable from non-arm's length parties 4110
$ 465,308

Amounts receivable from all others. 4120
$ 35,835

Investments in non-arm's length parties 4130


Long-term investments 4140


Inventories 4150


Capital assets 4160
$ 1,019,420

Other assets 4170


Total assets
4200


Liabilities
Accounts payable and accrued liabilities. 4300
$ 5,346

Deferred revenue 4310
$ 450,000

Amounts owing to non-arm's length parties 4320
$ 671,251

Other liabilities 4330


Total liabilities
4350


Amount included in lines 4150, 4160, and 4170 not used in charitable programs 4250
$ 1,019,420

E5 Figures are shown to the nearest single dollar.
Revenue
Total tax-receipted gifts 4500
$ 1,585,418

Total gifts received from other registered charities 4510


Total specified gifts included in line 4510 4520


Total other gifts 4530


Revenue from federal government 4540


Revenue from provincial/territorial governments 4550


Revenue from municipal/regional governments 4560


Total revenue from government 4570


Interest and investment income 4580


Proceeds from disposition of assets
· gross 4590


· net 4600


Rental income (land and buildings) 4610
$ 11,334

Memberships, dues, and association fees (non tax-receipted) 4620


Total revenue from fundraising 4630


Total revenue from sale of goods and services (except to government) 4640


Other revenue 4650


Total revenue
4700
$ 1,596,752

Expenditures (Enter all expenditures, whether or not on charitable programs)
Advertising and promotion 4800


Travel and vehicle 4810
$ 9,826

Interest and bank charges 4820
$ 4,831

Licences, memberships, and dues 4830


Office supplies and expenses 4840
$ 165,266

Occupancy costs 4850


Professional and consulting fees 4860
$ 13,802

Education and training for staff and volunteers 4870


Salaries, wages, benefits, and honoraria 4880
$ 111,190

Donated and purchased supplies and assets expensed for the fiscal period 4890
$ 323,498

Amortization of capitalized assets 4900
$ 6,773

Research grants and scholarships as part of charitable programs 4910


Other expenditures 4920
$ 190,885

Total expenditures before gifts to qualified donees
4950
$ 826,071

Total charitable programs expenditures included in line 4950 5000
$ 642,172

Total management and administration expenditures included in line 4950 5010
$ 183,899

Total fundraising expenditures included in line 4950 5020


Total political activity expenditures included in line 4950 5030


Total other activity expenditures included in line 4950 5040


Total gifts to qualified donees 5050


Total expenditures
5100
$ 826,071


Section F. Other Required Information
F1 What were the total expenditures on programs outside Canada during the fiscal period, excluding gifts to qualified donees? 5400
$ 42,920

F2 If the charity retained contracted fundraiser(s), enter:
a) the gross revenues collected by the fundraiser(s) on behalf of the charity 5450


b) the amounts paid to and/or retained by the fundraiser(s) 5460


c) the net fundraising revenue received by the charity (line 5450 minus line 5460) 5470


F3 If the charity has written permission to accumulate property, enter:
· the amount accumulated for the fiscal period, including income earned for the fiscal period on previously accumulated funds 5500


· the amount disbursed for the fiscal period for the specified purpose we have granted permission for 5510


· the amount deemed to be a tax-receipted gift for the fiscal period. 5520


F4 Of the tax-receipted gifts received by the charity for the fiscal period, enter:
· the total amount of tax-receipted non-cash gifts (gifts in kind) 5600


· the total amount of tax-receipted tuition fees? 5610


· the total amount of tax-receipted ten-year gifts 5620


· the total amount of tax-receipted bequests 5630


F5 If the charity received ten-year gifts or bequests in a previous fiscal period and used them to reduce its disbursement quota, enter the amount, if any, spent in the fiscal period. 5700


F6 If the charity is taking a special reduction, which we have pre-approved, to its disbursement quota, enter the special reduction amount for the fiscal period. 5750


F7 Did the charity acquire a non-qualifying security or allow a donor to use any of the charity's property under the circumstances described in the guide during the fiscal period? 5800
No


Section G. For Foundations Only
G1 In the fiscal period, did the foundation acquire control of a share-capital or for-profit corporation? 6000


G2 Indicate the average value of investment property not used for charitable programs or administration during:
· the 24 months before the beginning of the fiscal period 6050


· the 24 months before the end of the fiscal period 6060


G3 Did the foundation incur debts at any time during the fiscal period other than for current operating expenses, in purchasing or selling investments, or in administering charitable programs? 6100


G4 For private foundations only: At any time during the fiscal period, did the foundation hold any shares, rights to acquire such shares, or debts owing to it that meet the definition of a non-qualified investment? 6150



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they raised more than 1.5 million and spent 165000 dollars on office supplies, 111000 on salaries 323000 either donated or spent on unspecified acts of charities. well you guys and all of us who contribute should be asking some hard questions, tha in one year how can they spend 165000 dollars on just stationery and office supplies, total expenditure was 876000 dollars. IMAGINE

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Unread post by Admin » Sat Oct 29, 2005 9:26 pm

Dear Accountability,

Important though your contribution is may we pls request you not to post lengthy messages here. It would be better if you could provide a link to the material.

thank you for your cooperation.

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Re: WAJEBATS

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Unread post by baburao » Sun Oct 30, 2005 9:28 am

Hi folks just to let you all know I am back after a very long break so watch out Muslim First, Anajmi and Porous - battles begin again!

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:31 pm

Did you figure out how the Imam has interpreted the quran according to the modern times? All I wanted was one ayah!!

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Oct 30, 2005 5:31 pm

If not then better take another long break!!

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Unread post by baburao » Mon Oct 31, 2005 2:39 pm

When I said let battles resume I meant a healthy exchange of fresh views rather than re-enactments of old ones – we leave that to quaint and queer old folks here! Has not Islam been through enough in the last couple of years without us quarrelling over whose interpretation is correct? I was hoping we could keep the exchanges at a cerebral level but seeing your posts in the other threads perhaps it is a forlorn hope.

I have moved on in life and have no intention of staying firmly stuck in the 7th Century!

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Unread post by Bohra-cpl-in-Houston » Mon Oct 31, 2005 3:05 pm

Hey guys,
the discussion has totally disgressed (although nothing wrong with that) from Omabharti's original point that 2 new entries were added this year. Has anyone else had crazy things / experiences with their local Amilsaab / jamaat this year?

For instance the New Jersey Jamaat is requiring (not encouraging but requiring) everyone to purchase units in mutliples of $5200.00 for Iqraam Fund.
The notice on their website http://www.anjuman-e-burhani.org/finance.htm reads "Mumineen of Anjuman-e-Burhani, New Jersey Jamaat are required to pay units in multiple of $5,200 towards Iqraam fund. this is the first and foremost khidmat that is required of all mumineen."
Could someone explain what that is?

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Unread post by anajmi » Mon Oct 31, 2005 4:37 pm

baburao,

I was hoping you would've moved on and stopped wasting our time!!

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Unread post by Bohra-cpl-in-Houston » Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:20 pm

Hey guys,
the discussion has totally disgressed (although nothing wrong with that) from Omabharti's original point that 2 new entries were added this year. Has anyone else had crazy things / experiences with their local Amilsaab / jamaat this year?

For instance the New Jersey Jamaat is requiring (not encouraging but requiring) everyone to purchase units in mutliples of $5200.00 for Iqraam Fund.
The notice on their website http://www.anjuman-e-burhani.org/finance.htm reads "Mumineen of Anjuman-e-Burhani, New Jersey Jamaat are required to pay units in multiple of $5,200 towards Iqraam fund. this is the first and foremost khidmat that is required of all mumineen."
Could someone explain what that is?

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Unread post by mbohra » Mon Oct 31, 2005 6:22 pm

New Jersey's Kothari commisar is:

Janaab Quresh Bhaisaheb Shehabuddin Saheb (also fondly known as Suresh, Shah of Burhani Shehab)
who left Toronto, Canada - where he was in charge of Canada Jamaats, in a hurry when the Senate Bill S.13 miserably failed a few years ago and the government started investigating him and his cohorts.

They still remember his oppression and extortion in Canada. Small surprise that it is still being carried on in New Jersey, USA. Does anybody know whether he is still wanted and at large in Canada?

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Unread post by mumineen » Mon Oct 31, 2005 7:00 pm

We understand from our relatives in Ottawa, Canada that there is a similar problem brewing in that city as well. Sorry, it is heresay but we trust our jamati relatives. May be some one else can confirm this.

There are about 30 Bohri families in the city, about 15-20 mainstreams( about 8 or so are from one extended family). Most of them work for the government and some for high tech/com industries. Up to now they had volunteer sheikh and two Mullas –all of them non-Jaamiya educated – they had just paid for their status . A few years ago they unilaterally (without the members' consent)purchased a marqaz (a bank branch!) and there is still $40,000 owing on it. The sabil was fixed at $552 plus the other wajebats.

This month they have got a full-time Jamiya educated Sheikh who has supposedly been appointed by Kothar. To maintain him, they intend to pay him $30,000 p.a. But as the jamat has no money, they doubled the sabil to $1052 from this year, much to the chagrin and silent revolt of the members. The new sheikh who has been sent from Boston US, is here to build the mosque as well. So there are more surprises (units purchases) coming for the members. This month to humiliate and embarrass some of the members, they publicized the names of the members who still owe their share of the marqaz purchase.

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Unread post by baburao » Mon Oct 31, 2005 8:58 pm

Anajmi

Keep on hoping! After all wishful thinking is all you are good at - as for wasting time let others be the judge - your interjections in every thread sadly remain at the same immature level as ever. Or are you simply born to be bloody-minded?