On last friday night, when we went masjid, there were farmans read on that night. One of the farman from vazarate saifiah said, who has not paid their wajebat, may not be allowed to do any karaj, means they may be denied to commemorate or celebrate.
wajebat includes zakat, najwa, nazrul maqam, etc. none of these are compulsory according to our own faith. zakat is only wajib, if you have accumulated wealth, and that was with you for one full year. najwa, nazarul muqam etc are voluntery. they have named this as takhmeen. you go to the amil, he will never ask you, what is your zakat. he will just prescribe a figure, now you have to beg him, fight him, loose your self respect to lessen it, which you dont owe.
this day i really wish, that i did not belong to where i am, i am entangled into this viscious cycle of slavery and banditry. my masters are my bandits. my mentors are my tormentors. my masters claims to have ownership of heaven and hell, yet they want to sell it in the name of religion, after selling it for so long, and for so many million times, they still own the same heaven and hell, both of which are empty. yet the gaurds are nowhere to be seen.
my master appoints a sub master, who is more brutal and heartless, he subjects me to humilation beyond imagination. I would have been happy, if this cycle, this slavery ends with me, but my master claims ownership of my children too. enslaving my children seems to be more important than my own total submission. I want to take off the yoke, but then my master brings forth my near and dear ones, he shows me and reminds me, that they are also slaves. if you take off the yoke, they will not, rahter leave you to hurt and be tormented.
he shows me, my destiny in his hand, which he may not make, but may destroy it. he has sole control over my mind and body. he asks me to beat myself, he says this is ordained by god, whom he never talked to. he snatches my ego, my dignity, dignity is he hates most.
I wish my children are daring enough, bold enouhg, not to be enslaved. i wish they can proclaim freedom from agony and submission.
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Your children will not be free if you enslave them to this decadent system. It is for you to stand up.
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my brother listen to your heart.Allah is within all of us and the person in power has all the trappings but not the key to salvation.if you feel that you are on siratul mustaqeen than anyone else will not be able to take away your imaan.salvation for us is not to pay anything to to these people and use your zakaat in places where it makes a real differnce.when i die i do not care where my outer shelf is buried but i want die with my soul(RUH) in equanimity, that i have done the best i can to follow Allah's wish.
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If a father fasts to show his son that he is fasting, the father is expecting that the son will observe him and follow him. If a father begs in front of an Amil, allows himself to be humiliated by this Amil and then expects the son to do the opposite is an idiot.
If a father wishes his children to be daring and bold, he needs to show some spine himself.
If a father wishes his children to be daring and bold, he needs to show some spine himself.
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ponga bhori
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I have freed myself.
Freed my children.
I am a happy man.
Freed my children.
I am a happy man.
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accountability
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anajmi: my son seldom goes to masjid. But this is what, what makes me angry. I want him to believe in a religion, i want him to learn compassionate values. But i cannot make him believe in a religion, which has no religiosity in it, which is a tormentor, which is exploitative, which is not bright enough to give light in dark. which is corrupt. A religion which does not respect human dignity.
A religion, whose rahber listens to his own self flattering, which says that, he is entitle to wear slippers made of his subject's skin.
is it the religion at fault, or has it been hijacked. I dont believe in conversion, one is not better than or worse than the other. But why cant a religion, which i believe in, gives me the dignity and self respect, that i am entitled and deserve.
what do i tell my son, leave aside the historical differences, but what do i tell him about him being a subject, him being a slave, whose skin should be used to make slippers. if he does not pay a jagga tax, he will not have permission to enter his own mosque.
i am using myself only as a refrence, but i think every father wants his siblings to have dignity and respect. they want him to be free. But irony is that in 21st century, "a" religion takes pride in making its believer slaves. isn't religion supposed to emanicipate, and not to enslave.
A religion, whose rahber listens to his own self flattering, which says that, he is entitle to wear slippers made of his subject's skin.
is it the religion at fault, or has it been hijacked. I dont believe in conversion, one is not better than or worse than the other. But why cant a religion, which i believe in, gives me the dignity and self respect, that i am entitled and deserve.
what do i tell my son, leave aside the historical differences, but what do i tell him about him being a subject, him being a slave, whose skin should be used to make slippers. if he does not pay a jagga tax, he will not have permission to enter his own mosque.
i am using myself only as a refrence, but i think every father wants his siblings to have dignity and respect. they want him to be free. But irony is that in 21st century, "a" religion takes pride in making its believer slaves. isn't religion supposed to emanicipate, and not to enslave.
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going by this warped idiocy, a terrorist's son will always be a terrorist and wife beater. Because some elements abuse their wives and quote the Holy book for justification!! can only come from a neanderthal wahhabi. give us a break!!Originally posted by anajmi:
If a father fasts to show his son that he is fasting, the father is expecting that the son will observe him and follow him. If a father begs in front of an Amil, allows himself to be humiliated by this Amil and then expects the son to do the opposite is an idiot.
If a father wishes his children to be daring and bold, he needs to show some spine himself.
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accty,
yr post is heart-rending and i understand yr lament..
the only option u have is to leave this evil establishment and this cult. standing upto it will get you nothing, only more humiliation and isolation from yr loved ones. yr immediate family will remain with u, but yr relations will desert u and distance themselves lest they be caught up in the flames. such is the nature of the beast.
all the ravings and rantings will get u zero in results because the majority chooses to maintain the status quo.
it is time that the difficult decision was made. is it going to be: standing fast on principles, gaining peace of mind, but losing yr comfort zone of friends and relations from the community, or remaining inside, paying through yr nose, swallowing the humiliations, constantly negotiating with the devils, sacrificing yr soul and smiling with all the pain?
it is difficult, but not that difficult once yr mind is set and the values really matter. a brave man dies but one death, a coward dies every minute...
yr post is heart-rending and i understand yr lament..
the only option u have is to leave this evil establishment and this cult. standing upto it will get you nothing, only more humiliation and isolation from yr loved ones. yr immediate family will remain with u, but yr relations will desert u and distance themselves lest they be caught up in the flames. such is the nature of the beast.
all the ravings and rantings will get u zero in results because the majority chooses to maintain the status quo.
it is time that the difficult decision was made. is it going to be: standing fast on principles, gaining peace of mind, but losing yr comfort zone of friends and relations from the community, or remaining inside, paying through yr nose, swallowing the humiliations, constantly negotiating with the devils, sacrificing yr soul and smiling with all the pain?
it is difficult, but not that difficult once yr mind is set and the values really matter. a brave man dies but one death, a coward dies every minute...
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going by this warped idiocy, a terrorist's son will always be a terrorist and wife beater. Because some elements abuse their wives and quote the Holy book for justification!! can only come from a neanderthal wahhabi. give us a break!!Originally posted by anajmi:
If a father fasts to show his son that he is fasting, the father is expecting that the son will observe him and follow him. If a father begs in front of an Amil, allows himself to be humiliated by this Amil and then expects the son to do the opposite is an idiot.
If a father wishes his children to be daring and bold, he needs to show some spine himself.
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Accountability,
Your situation is typical of every conscious bohra who has not lost his soul. But there's little point in lamenting and wishing for things to happen. It is elementary that you deal with the situation that causes you so much angst and agony. Freedom will not fall in your lap. Do something about it, take action. Take the fight to the tormentors, for your sake and your children's sake. I gather you live in Canada, so why don't you join a reformist group in your area. There's comfort and strength in numbers. Share you thoughts and ideas with like-minded people. Inspire them with your passion. Join the fight. That the only right thing to do. That's the only human thing to do. Best.
Your situation is typical of every conscious bohra who has not lost his soul. But there's little point in lamenting and wishing for things to happen. It is elementary that you deal with the situation that causes you so much angst and agony. Freedom will not fall in your lap. Do something about it, take action. Take the fight to the tormentors, for your sake and your children's sake. I gather you live in Canada, so why don't you join a reformist group in your area. There's comfort and strength in numbers. Share you thoughts and ideas with like-minded people. Inspire them with your passion. Join the fight. That the only right thing to do. That's the only human thing to do. Best.
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accty,
Here is your problem. For you, religion is at fault for all your miseries. If an Amil steals your money, it is religion at fault. If you have to fast for 30 days, it is religion at fault, if you have to pray 5 times a day, it is religion at fault, if you have to pay zakat, it is religion at fault.
You need to consider the fact that you are a big hypocrite. The only reason you do not want to declare yourself a kafir and get away from these religious pressures, is because religion gives you more than it asks of you, and you do not want to give up that advantage. That is the reason why you will keep complaining over here about religion but do nothing about it. You are a similar to the Munafiqs of Madina during the time of the prophet who were muslims to take advantage of all the good things religion offered, but Islam never entered their hearts.
Here is your problem. For you, religion is at fault for all your miseries. If an Amil steals your money, it is religion at fault. If you have to fast for 30 days, it is religion at fault, if you have to pray 5 times a day, it is religion at fault, if you have to pay zakat, it is religion at fault.
You need to consider the fact that you are a big hypocrite. The only reason you do not want to declare yourself a kafir and get away from these religious pressures, is because religion gives you more than it asks of you, and you do not want to give up that advantage. That is the reason why you will keep complaining over here about religion but do nothing about it. You are a similar to the Munafiqs of Madina during the time of the prophet who were muslims to take advantage of all the good things religion offered, but Islam never entered their hearts.
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And here is the main reason why these Bohras put up with these harassments. Deep down they know that what they are poneying up is still much less than what is required by Islam. When was the last time an Amil asked you or any bohra his income and savings and then calculated zakat? This never happens. A bohra doesn't pay anywhere close to the required amount of zakat. And on top of that they will be bargaining with the Amil like people bargain at Chor Bazaar on a friday. A bohra doesn't believe in the concept of zakat anymore. It is just zakat in name. In practice it has become a tax, a toll for using a bridge, an annual subscription to the Bohra community club.
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accountability
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I want to copy a nazm by faiz saheb, i think it is somewhat for us. Like hamsafar said, we ought to take the fight to tormentors.
bol ki lab aazaad hai.n tere
bol zabaa.N ab tak terii hai
teraa sutawaa.N jism hai teraa
bol ki jaa.N ab tak terii hai
dekh ke aaha.ngar kii dukaa.N me.n
tu.nd hai.n shole surKh hai aahan
khulane lage quffalo.n ke dahaane
phailaa har ek zanjiir kaa daaman
bol ye tho.Daa waqt bahot hai
jism-o-zabaa.N kii maut se pahale
bol ki sach zi.ndaa hai ab tak
bol jo kuchh kahane hai kah le
Hamsafar, I have contacts with progressive in canada. I appreciate their vision. Hopefully one day, when the day will not be so long, we will make a difference together. Again, i used myself as a refrence, but what i appended is a fact.
bol ki lab aazaad hai.n tere
bol zabaa.N ab tak terii hai
teraa sutawaa.N jism hai teraa
bol ki jaa.N ab tak terii hai
dekh ke aaha.ngar kii dukaa.N me.n
tu.nd hai.n shole surKh hai aahan
khulane lage quffalo.n ke dahaane
phailaa har ek zanjiir kaa daaman
bol ye tho.Daa waqt bahot hai
jism-o-zabaa.N kii maut se pahale
bol ki sach zi.ndaa hai ab tak
bol jo kuchh kahane hai kah le
Hamsafar, I have contacts with progressive in canada. I appreciate their vision. Hopefully one day, when the day will not be so long, we will make a difference together. Again, i used myself as a refrence, but what i appended is a fact.
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When was the last time an Amil asked you or any bohra his income and savings and then calculated zakat? This never happens
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Why should an Aamil asked that question? Even no shaikh or Imam in Sunni Masaajid ever ask that question. That is an individual responsibility.
If Aamil starts asking these question, then you will criticise them for asking too many personal questions.
When was the last time an Amil asked you or any bohra his income and savings and then calculated zakat? This never happens
**************************************************Anjami
Why should an Aamil asked that question? Even no shaikh or Imam in Sunni Masaajid ever ask that question. That is an individual responsibility.
If Aamil starts asking these question, then you will criticise them for asking too many personal questions.
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When was the last time an Amil asked you or any bohra his income and savings and then calculated zakat? This never happens
**************************************************Anjami
Why should an Aamil asked that question? Even no shaikh or Imam in Sunni Masaajid ever ask that question. That is an individual responsibility.
If Aamil starts asking these question, then you will criticise them for asking too many personal questions.cannot have both ways
When was the last time an Amil asked you or any bohra his income and savings and then calculated zakat? This never happens
**************************************************Anjami
Why should an Aamil asked that question? Even no shaikh or Imam in Sunni Masaajid ever ask that question. That is an individual responsibility.
If Aamil starts asking these question, then you will criticise them for asking too many personal questions.cannot have both ways
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turbocanuck
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You're killing me, anajma........LOL!!Originally posted by anajmi:
they will be bargaining with the Amil like people bargain at Chor Bazaar on a friday.
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omabharti,
First, no shaikh or Imam in the Sunni Masjid fixes zakat for anybody. If somebody wishes to give it to them they will accept.
Second, my point was that the bohra zakat is not based on Islamic Sharia but the bargaining power of the giver and the taker.
First, no shaikh or Imam in the Sunni Masjid fixes zakat for anybody. If somebody wishes to give it to them they will accept.
Second, my point was that the bohra zakat is not based on Islamic Sharia but the bargaining power of the giver and the taker.
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Anjami
So we agree on the first one and I agree with you on second.
WISH YOU AND ALL A VERY HAPPY EID MUBARAK
Side Note
Empire State Building will light up in green color from Friday to Sunday to celebrate Eid. This is the 1st time this will happen. They had been doing for Christmas and Hannukah and Eid has joined to complete Abrahamical Faith.
So we agree on the first one and I agree with you on second.
WISH YOU AND ALL A VERY HAPPY EID MUBARAK
Side Note
Empire State Building will light up in green color from Friday to Sunday to celebrate Eid. This is the 1st time this will happen. They had been doing for Christmas and Hannukah and Eid has joined to complete Abrahamical Faith.