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JC
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Unread post by JC » Tue Mar 06, 2007 2:56 pm

Like-Minded

SHIRK is the belief of Believers (of ONE GOD). Bohras are not believers. They believe Burhan is God via Mohammad, Ali, Hussain, 21 Imams and 52 Dais - so if you tell them they will laugh like Pro-Pig (aka Ortho-Dog) did.

Wait till their CURRENT God Burhand Dies..!!!

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Unread post by coolguy » Tue Mar 06, 2007 7:42 pm

to like-minded .. is money bothering you
you dont like other people making money
get an education and go make money there is a lot for every one .. right from joining dawood gang
to pickingup where veerappan left off, or join the politico... there is money everywhere.
what is your problem guy
Look inside yourself and worry of yourself .. lest you will be denied heaven, because of your misdeeds and devilish thoughts and blasphemy
Have you committed kofur

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Unread post by pro_pig » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:58 am

JC
I AM WAITING FOR U TO

tahir
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Unread post by tahir » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:34 am

Originally posted by coolguy:
to like-minded .. is money bothering you
you dont like other people making money
get an education and go make money there is a lot for every one .. right from joining dawood gang
to pickingup where veerappan left off, or join the politico... there is money everywhere.
what is your problem guy
Look inside yourself and worry of yourself .. lest you will be denied heaven, because of your misdeeds and devilish thoughts and blasphemy
Have you committed kofur
O MY GOD! The greedy dai has turned these folks into a pathetic lot of zombies. How devilish can one get !

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Unread post by like_minded » Wed Mar 07, 2007 4:34 am

Originally posted by coolguy:
to like-minded .. is money bothering you
you dont like other people making money
get an education and go make money there is a lot for every one .. right from joining dawood gang
to pickingup where veerappan left off, or join the politico... there is money everywhere.
what is your problem guy
Look inside yourself and worry of yourself .. lest you will be denied heaven, because of your misdeeds and devilish thoughts and blasphemy
Have you committed kofur
Thats the point, Look inside yourself and worry about yourself. Why dont you tell this to your Kothari bosses?

And dont worry about me, I am not interested going to heaven., for me, heaven is here!! This fairy-tale is for morons like you.

About making money, I am making enough (legally) to support myself and my family, I am not greedy and evil like your Kothari bosses, who are accumalating wealth by selling religion.

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Unread post by like_minded » Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:06 am

Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin, has extended his stay in Bangalore, Originally he was supposed to depart on the 11th of march, (2 days after chehlum)now he is likely to stay till 17th or 18th March.

I suppose, the collection upto now is not satisfactory according to their standards., They are hell bent on getting away with a huge take.

I pity the bangalore mumeneen, they are made to pay through their noses, well... they asked for it, and are getting it (Syedna Burhanuddin dose)

Next time, they will think twice before saying "Moula Bangalore padharo"

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Unread post by like_minded » Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:28 am

What is seen as most outrageous in Bangalore masjid, People saying their magrib namaz under the imamat of Syedna, do not wait for the namaz to get over, instead just before the takbeera, they fold their masallaas and run towards Syedna for Deedar.

For them, Deedar of Syedna is more important than namaz itself.

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Unread post by like_minded » Wed Mar 07, 2007 5:46 am

Bro Jc said..
Wait till their CURRENT God Burhan dies..

Bohras want their Dai Syedna Mohd Burhanuudin TUS to live till Qayamat. they like being his slaves forever till Qayamat.

Even if he goes... someone else will take his place, and this cult will go on.

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Unread post by pro_pig » Wed Mar 07, 2007 1:29 pm

less mind,
go and pray namaaz,and dont talk to much #24 and do allah allah that he forgive u.thats all i can advice.dude i cannot understand that y u care another#24 they dont care.take care of your family make sure u have enought money to retriment or to pay bills.u are wasting your time less mind ;)

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Unread post by Muslim First » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:35 pm

What is seen as most outrageous in Bangalore masjid, People saying their magrib namaz under the imamat of Syedna, do not wait for the namaz to get over, instead just before the takbeera, they fold their masallaas and run towards Syedna for Deedar.

For them, Deedar of Syedna is more important than namaz itself.
I have seen same thing at Kaaba.

When I went for Umrah, Muslims will stop kissing and crowding around Black stone when Salah is in progress. Even before Salaams are said some idiots will jump up and rush towards Black Stone as if it is a required to kiss stone. May Allah give us Hidaya so we can learn to be proper Muslims.

Wasalaam
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Unread post by JC » Wed Mar 07, 2007 2:43 pm

Bro Like-Minded

I totally agree with you - Paradise or Janat is a carrot for blind followers. Every religion has fairy tales and so has Islam and Bohraism.

The only thing I understand is that it is human nature to live in Fool's Paradise to some extent, to expect everything good in the end - thats what is 'Umeed' in Urdu and on which they said World rests. Having said that, these bohras have crossed all limits (may be like aga khanis) for various reasons. To me 25% Bohras are living within the fold due to pressures (social, family etc), 25% are there due to blind belief or money and benefits. 50% are on the edge, just waiting, living in a status quo and see what happens and how it goes. OrthoDogs and Progressive both are targeting this silent majority of 50%.

Pro-Pig (Ortho)

I know I will die one day, thats for sure. I only pray to Allah to keep me healthy and happy till the Last Day and thats it. I donot ask him to give me Life Ta Qayyamat - and why is that, because my belief, knowledge and wisdom says that is simply not possible. No Alexander the Great has lived that long. Why do you all Orthos keep on asking for something which is not possible - only coz u all r so naive and are such a bunch of fools (or very clever and smart - trying to make fool of a big fool (read Burhan).

Like-Minded

You are right, someone else would take Burhan's place and cult will go on - but, his death will bring a big blow, there are difference amongst themselves and these will come to light, no matter how little (thats the reason the heir has not been announced). The new Ruler will not command that much influence and power, every new ruler takes time, and so here also nature will work. The differences will corp up, infights will be seen, there will be problems with money and collections and property and whatever. There are many aspirants to Chair and the negotiations are going on. Lets wait and see the events unfold after the death of current God.

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Unread post by abcd » Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:21 am

Sayedna is giving hidayat to all mumenins to be loyal to the country where they live. I wonder, to except black money towards salams is a loyalty to that country specially India!

In Bangalore the Ji-Afat is costing 45 lacks now a day all are in black money. What the intelligent department of Income tax in India is doing? Every bohra knows the fact and the drama is held every day, whole day and surprisingly unnoticed by the department, (or the tax is paid in black!)

If every person who has given ji-afat is raided, the department will get huge some of money. Will the FM rise from his sleep?

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Unread post by like_minded » Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:43 am

Surely, the income tax department should be informed.

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Unread post by like_minded » Thu Mar 08, 2007 5:47 am

Kothar is leaving no stone unturned to raise money in Bangalore.

According to the new scheme, 10 Bohras together can raise a sum of Rs.30 lacs (chipping 3 lacs each) and host a zyafat at Moulas Haveli for maximum barakaat.

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Unread post by tahir » Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:00 am

Originally posted by abcd:
Sayedna is giving hidayat to all mumenins to be loyal to the country where they live. I wonder, to except black money towards salams is a loyalty to that country specially India!

Syedna and his system violates the constitution of India on the following grounds:

1) Running a parallel government and charging tax on the citizens of India which only the GOI is entitled to charge.
2) The practice of Social Boycott or excommunication. This is criminal by Indian law.
3) Conferring of titles - This was banned by the constitution after independence.

The moomineen not only play foot soldiers in this anticonstitutional system but they go a step ahead in imitating their 'spiritual' syedna. They demonstrate their loyalty to the nation in the form of tax evasion, electricity pilfration, selling contraband goods, forging documents, embezzleing funds etc etc.....and hunting endangered species in the forests of India.

So much for loyalty and patriotism....

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Unread post by pro_pig » Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:07 pm

asgarali, having zyafat in udaipur all prog are invited along with Rs 1 lacs each.
Dont miss this golden chances.

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Unread post by pro_pig » Thu Mar 08, 2007 1:10 pm

#24

JC
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Unread post by JC » Thu Mar 08, 2007 2:55 pm

Burhan and Kothari Company is guilty of not only poisoning foolish bohras and collecting huge sums of money, they are also the culprits who are spreading corruption. They are famous for bribing tax authorities and religious authorities in almost every country where bohra sheep live. they not only buy themselves, they ask bohras with connections to work for them in this respect too.

they are all out to collect as much as possible in the shortest possible time.

Wait till burhan dies..!!!

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Unread post by mumineen » Thu Mar 08, 2007 8:35 pm

Tahir:

1. Some of the extracts from this websiteunder: REFORM ISSUES

CONTROVERSIAL BILL IN CANADIAN SENATE
How the Sayedna tried to become sole owner of Bohra properties in

What about the breach of criminal law to do with the Female Genital Mutilation? Not to forget that this is a fundamental breach of Bohri females sexual rights, human rights and civic rights.

Genital mutilations of clitoris under the guise of female circumcision is actively enforced by the Community in Canada - although this is not an Islamic tradition or custom. One of the cousins of Quresh B.S from California - a lady with medical background or qualifications visits Ontario regularly to conduct these procedures on little girls of the Community. Female circumcision is a crime in Ontario. This fact can be verified by having the Children Aid Society's doctors physically examining all the female children of the Community over 4 years old who have been born in Canada.

Members of the Community in Canada who work for Banks or Insurance Companies have been directed by Quresh B.S. to be socially and religiously shunned, harassed, intimidated, threatened or boycotted by other Community Members (Baraat - meaning ex-communication which by the way is not recognised in Islam).

The shunning entails refusal by Quresh B.S. to conduct naming of child, Misaq, wedding ceremonies, funeral rites or memorial services. Members of the Community are compelled not to associate with people who have been “red-listed” as such - or else they will face the same fate. They practice their own version of “Bohrapartheid” on the followers.

Female members are compelled to wear Rida (Chador), or else baraat!!

Male members are compelled to wear a full beard, or else baraat!!

Members of the Community who have any mortgages, RRSPs or loans suffer the same fate. The Akbarally Family of Montreal had to give up their lucrative I.G.A. franchise and a Cash and Carry Store after being coerced by Quresh B.S. to do so. Other members throughout Ontario had to sell their residences at a substantial loss of their equity because they had mortgages on the properties.

A female member of the Community, Ms. Yasmin Tayabali Ajmerwalla invited some members of the Community for a recitation of the Holy Quran at her residence in commemoration of her recently deceased father's rites. She and all the people who participated in these rites were ordered to apologise in writing by Quresh B.S. because the recitation of the Holy Quran was held on His Holiness's birthday and because permission was not sought from Quresh B.S. Since when is the recitation of the Holy Quran a sin in Islam? And why does recitation of the Holy Quran require permission from the priest? What a sacrilege?
Aren't the above practices against the Canadian Charter of Rights and Canadian Human Rights Code and abuse of Civil Rights?

All members of the Community (especially in B.C.) have specifically been ordered NOT to associate with another Shia sect called the Ithna Asheri Community and Quresh B.S. has directed the Community in other Canadian cities that they should not hold their functions in Churches as their children will be contaminated by Christian influences. Isn't this against the Criminal Code - spreading racial hatred?

During the 10 days of the month of Mohorrum (when the martyrdom of Imam Husein is commemorated), Quresh B.S. has actively encouraged the members of the Community in Ontario to fake sickness and take sick leave from their employers to attend his sermons in Toronto.

2.The newly arrived Amil of Ottawa Jamaat is already spreading hatred amongst other Muslim Communities, which is also against the Criminal Code of Canada. There was no full time Amil before but because this person, orginally from Sri LAnka, could not hack it in Calgary, Toronto, or Boston was forced upon the Ottawa Jamaat. Needless to say that the sabil has doubled to pay for his family's keep, university studies, a car and other benefits like overseas travel. This guy is also forcing the community members to invite him at their homes - under the guise of meeting them as if he does not or cannot meet them at the marqaz.

(i) During the Holy Month of Ramadhan, he mocked the other sect of Islam calling them "Miyaabhai" and indicated how wrongly they performed their Ruku/Sajaadah arkaans or rituals.

(ii) He refused to grant Razaa to the parents of a Bohri girl who had married a Sunni/Shia boy under a Sunni Quazi - the same Suuni Quazi he hypocritically hobnobbed with during a ublic gathering of citizens. He also indicated to the parents NOT to invite the Shia Mother of their daughter to their home. Apparently the person is still under a work permit and has no permanent residency staus.

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Unread post by jinx » Fri Mar 09, 2007 12:50 am

Originally posted by like_minded:

On 20.2.07, Shahzada Qusai BS arrived in Bangalore, Mumeneen were asked to gather at airport to welcome him.

Shudder to think of the plight of Bangalore when TUS arrives on 24th evening
It's demeaning & insulting to be hearded like cattles. :mad:

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Unread post by mumineen » Fri Mar 09, 2007 1:17 am

Correction to our previous missive:
(ii) He refused to grant Razaa to the parents of a Bohri girl who had married a Sunni/Shia boy under a Sunni Quazi - the same Suuni Quazi he hypocritically hobnobbed with during a public gathering of citizens. He also indicated to the parents NOT to invite the Shia Mother-in-law of their daughter to their home. Apparently this person/Amil is still under a work permit and has no permanent residency staus yet!

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Unread post by Alislam » Sat Mar 10, 2007 11:49 am

Hyderabad visit confirmed !!

After Bangalore, its the turn of yet another IT city, ie., Hyderabad.

Syedna's visit to this city is confirmed and people are depressed as they would have to bear the entire expenses of the royal entourage, plus a big chuck would be collected for distribution among the royal b******s and also a good time for the jamaat members to earn from the loot.

No one can change u guys unless u try to change.

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Unread post by like_minded » Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:04 pm

Bro alislam,

When did you hear this? As according to what was announced yesterday in Bangalore, its Vizag after Bangalore.

Anyway, he is here for another 7-8 days,and with each passing day in Bangalore, He gets richer by Rs.1 crore.

Already 45 zyafats completed, and 40 other in waiting list. Zyafat rates hiked to Rs.65 lacs from today onwards.

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Unread post by Alislam » Sat Mar 10, 2007 1:05 pm

Bro like_Minded,

He will visit hyderabad after vizag.
He will be coming for the iftetah of the new masjid and would probably stay here a couple of days, extendable based on the loot.

It is confirmed and there is a " Kushi no jaman" today.

People started getting the "mamool" calls and the rates range between 11k to 5200k.

His visit is announced on the local jamaat website:

www.hyderabadjamaat.co.nr

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Unread post by Alislam » Sun Mar 11, 2007 5:38 pm

In Hyderabad, to extract max money from people, the previous BS (Juzer Bhaisahab) has been deputed by kothar.

This BS is a known terror and is very hard in exploiting.

Like in Bangalore, the new masjid here costed over 10 crores and many chamchas made good money by way of commissions from the masjid building fund raise.

The rate for ziafat is Rs. 21 lakhs and is subject to increase based on the demand.

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Unread post by munsif » Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:19 pm

21000.00
42000.00
52000.00
92000.00
172000.00
252000.00

Is this a series of Kon Banenga Carorepati! Who is the beneficiery. ?

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Unread post by munsif » Mon Mar 12, 2007 2:46 pm

Originally posted by like_minded:
Bro Jc said..
Wait till their CURRENT God Burhan dies..

Bohras want their Dai Syedna Mohd Burhanuudin TUS to live till Qayamat. they like being his slaves forever till Qayamat.

Even if he goes... someone else will take his place, and this cult will go on.

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Unread post by like_minded » Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:51 am

In Bangalore, 18 Shaikh titles sold by Kothar till now.

Each shaikh title costing between INR 30-40 lacs.

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Unread post by JC » Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:13 pm

DAWAT-E-HADIYA OFFERS AND OPEN A GRAND SALE OF TITLES
(run, managed, administered, organized by KOTHAR and COMPANY (strictly private)LTD.)

OFFER inspired by Low Profit High Volume Businesses in Dubai (to earm maximum profits)

Sale of Titles of 'Shaikhs' and 'Mullas'

1. Buy three Shaikh titles and get one absolutely free (Good for new rich families who want to show-off)

2. Buy two Shaikh titles and get one Mulla title absolutely free (Good for families who have young boys aspiring to be Shaikhs and/or intend to do business for community)

3. Buy four Mulla titles and get one Shaikh title absoluetly free (Good for new rich families who are young, want to progess within community and have a father/grandfather withpout title)

4. Buy two Shaikh and two Mulla titles and get one Shaikh title free (Good for families whose members are middle aged and young, do business with community and have a father/grandfather without title)

Offers and Packages coming up for NKD and other new and exciting titles..!!!

Contact Kothar for other Special Offers and Promotions for old rich and with title families like:
Syedana Qadambossi - earn one Shaikh title free
Shahzada Qadambossi - earn one Mulla title free

Marraige are also available for boys and girls within Bait-uz-Zaini. Please note these are striclty on merit basis, criteria set by Kothar and non-negotiable.

All offers are at attractive rates, guranteed return and after-sale-service. Customer Service is also available at nominal rates with respective Amils.

Contact immediately as this offer is valid till Syedana Burhanuddin's forthcoming birhtday or his death - whichever is earlier.

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Unread post by tahir » Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:21 pm

Originally posted by like_minded:

Each shaikh title costing between INR 30-40 lacs.
O My God ! Just 6 years back, two of my Uncles bought a Sheikh title each for Rs. 752000. It is cheap even after considering the discount on bulk purchase.

Who says inflation is under control !