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there goes the lunatic again with his same old so called facts ....man i m glad you against us.....we are happy to have dumb opponents like you.......no wonder anything you all plan never works out.....
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c mon tahir one fact one just one i m sure ur not born because of incest fetishes so u can do it .....don disappoint us now please
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still waiting tahir.......
ok ok u can just let your frustration out by what u say best.......i have seen alll your posts and i donno why i expected a smart thing to come out of your filthy mouth ......
keep it goin ....you are diggin your own grave .....
ok ok u can just let your frustration out by what u say best.......i have seen alll your posts and i donno why i expected a smart thing to come out of your filthy mouth ......
keep it goin ....you are diggin your own grave .....
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looks like it has hit u where it hurts most....huh?? 
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Tahir (SOB)
Read the rest of the message only if you are a grown up cos if you are a kid dont bother.
Internet is a good medium to spread information and have impersonal debates like we were having.
But it is also a good place for freaks like you to hide and bark what ever they like against whomever they want.
COWARD.
Can you come face to face and repeat what you wrote to me, I dont think so.
You can call us morons , idiots , fools whatever but to directly use foul language for the Dai , now thats off limits , even the progressives who are his enemies refer to him with respect.
So I request you , to use your brain , I mean think for once before writing.
If its difficult try standing up and doing it cos from wat I ve read from you your brains are probably betweeen ur ass and that empty space where regular men have balls.
Hard as it may be try and write something logical for a change else nobody will take u seriously , u will be on this chat something like the mad drunk on the road whose got shit all over his face who lost his pants somewhere and curses at every passing car.
Read the rest of the message only if you are a grown up cos if you are a kid dont bother.
Internet is a good medium to spread information and have impersonal debates like we were having.
But it is also a good place for freaks like you to hide and bark what ever they like against whomever they want.
COWARD.
Can you come face to face and repeat what you wrote to me, I dont think so.
You can call us morons , idiots , fools whatever but to directly use foul language for the Dai , now thats off limits , even the progressives who are his enemies refer to him with respect.
So I request you , to use your brain , I mean think for once before writing.
If its difficult try standing up and doing it cos from wat I ve read from you your brains are probably betweeen ur ass and that empty space where regular men have balls.
Hard as it may be try and write something logical for a change else nobody will take u seriously , u will be on this chat something like the mad drunk on the road whose got shit all over his face who lost his pants somewhere and curses at every passing car.
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hj786 says:
"Saifee Hospital is one of the newest and most modern hospitals in India today."
1. It is NOT the newest hospital. The sanatorium was built by that noted philanthropist Sir Adamjee Peerbhoy, the first Indian sheriff of Bombay. During 1897-1898, it functioned as a plague hospital. Mahatma Gandhi once stayed at the sanatorium; and he was assasinated in 1947! It was NOT built by the Kotharis - only renovated by them with the crores of rupees mandatorily squeezed from the gullible, suppressed and exploited Bohri Community.
2. It is NOT the most modern hospital in India. It is the Apollo Group of Hospitals of India. The hospitals are situated in cities such as Hyderabad, Kokata, New Delhi, Ahmedabad and Apollo Speciality Hospital, Chennai is India’s first ISO 9002 Certified Hospital.
Please compare if the medical services, specialty clinics, telemedicine facilities provided by Apollo is being provided by the so-called "the most modern" Saifee Hospital.
Please refer to:
http://www.apollohospitals.com/index.asp
"Saifee Hospital is one of the newest and most modern hospitals in India today."
1. It is NOT the newest hospital. The sanatorium was built by that noted philanthropist Sir Adamjee Peerbhoy, the first Indian sheriff of Bombay. During 1897-1898, it functioned as a plague hospital. Mahatma Gandhi once stayed at the sanatorium; and he was assasinated in 1947! It was NOT built by the Kotharis - only renovated by them with the crores of rupees mandatorily squeezed from the gullible, suppressed and exploited Bohri Community.
2. It is NOT the most modern hospital in India. It is the Apollo Group of Hospitals of India. The hospitals are situated in cities such as Hyderabad, Kokata, New Delhi, Ahmedabad and Apollo Speciality Hospital, Chennai is India’s first ISO 9002 Certified Hospital.
Please compare if the medical services, specialty clinics, telemedicine facilities provided by Apollo is being provided by the so-called "the most modern" Saifee Hospital.
Please refer to:
http://www.apollohospitals.com/index.asp
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Hi
"One of the newest and most modern" not the newest and most modern, theres a difference , and by new I meant the recent building which was inaugrated by PM of India.
"One of the newest and most modern" not the newest and most modern, theres a difference , and by new I meant the recent building which was inaugrated by PM of India.
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Before somebody makes an argument about Apollo being "for profit" hospitals:
"Apollo are helping India's poor. The company sets aside beds for free care and has established a financial trust to aid the needy. The company also notes that new technologies, such as examining patients in remote areas via television monitor, allow Apollo to reach India's poor in ways doctors once couldn't. Apollo has set up nearly 60 "tele-medicine" centers over the past two years."
Please refer to the USA's WallStreet Journal at:
http://www.apollohospitals.com/mediaroom/wallstreet.asp
"Apollo are helping India's poor. The company sets aside beds for free care and has established a financial trust to aid the needy. The company also notes that new technologies, such as examining patients in remote areas via television monitor, allow Apollo to reach India's poor in ways doctors once couldn't. Apollo has set up nearly 60 "tele-medicine" centers over the past two years."
Please refer to the USA's WallStreet Journal at:
http://www.apollohospitals.com/mediaroom/wallstreet.asp
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dear hj786,
that was not addressed to you...I just quoted you to make my point about all morons (bohris) in general and the .... who heads them.....so just chill
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that was not addressed to you...I just quoted you to make my point about all morons (bohris) in general and the .... who heads them.....so just chill
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to practical you do not sound practical at all when you talk about my language first read what your fellow muddais talk about us bohras and our moula(tus) then tell me to tone down,as for me talking about ajgar and his friends you included what i said was true and the truth always hurts. You are the last person who would be able explain to me difference between marsiya and music so do not even go there,and tell your friends to burn in envy even more
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Moomin052
So the others are dirty you are becoming dirty, good example any way.
I think you have understood the difference now.
So the others are dirty you are becoming dirty, good example any way.
I think you have understood the difference now.
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apnawala tv ma apnawala joi ne khoosh...
apnawala stadium ma apnawala joi ne khoosh
apnawala school ma apnawala joi ne khoosh...
but believe me
apnawalawala ne namaaz ma jagah aam ke aam to jagda....
jamwa nu thaal ma deri to jagdaa
thaal ma haath naa aave to jagda...
Aava che apna wala...kyare tarakki karisu apne...
apnawala stadium ma apnawala joi ne khoosh
apnawala school ma apnawala joi ne khoosh...
but believe me
apnawalawala ne namaaz ma jagah aam ke aam to jagda....
jamwa nu thaal ma deri to jagdaa
thaal ma haath naa aave to jagda...
Aava che apna wala...kyare tarakki karisu apne...
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man tahir ....come on i thought i d give you one night of thinking and u d come up with somehting......
i joined in here thinking i d get to have some mature debate on stuff and defeat u fair and square but u just hell bent on being stupid.
well all the best for you and reforming ....u sure need it.....this is highly boring now and monotonous so call be a quitter if u will but its not helping me so bye
i joined in here thinking i d get to have some mature debate on stuff and defeat u fair and square but u just hell bent on being stupid.
well all the best for you and reforming ....u sure need it.....this is highly boring now and monotonous so call be a quitter if u will but its not helping me so bye
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hj786:
Please refer to the following article published by "The Week" of April 24, 2005 which gives a survey result of the Top 10 Hospitals in India.
http://www.apollohospitals.com/mediaroom/weeksurvey.asp
We don't see a mention of Saifee Hospital here, e'h!
One of the newest and most modern, e'h!
The so-called "new" hospital is the same building as the old Sanatorium mentioned by us previously.
It reminds me of the Indians who always have a tendency to embellish the truth of any thing which exists or prevails in India by saying:
" it's the best in the world/India/Asia, it's the tallest in the world/India/Asia. However, they are being more modest now - 2nd best or one of the best!!!
Please refer to the following article published by "The Week" of April 24, 2005 which gives a survey result of the Top 10 Hospitals in India.
http://www.apollohospitals.com/mediaroom/weeksurvey.asp
We don't see a mention of Saifee Hospital here, e'h!
One of the newest and most modern, e'h!
The so-called "new" hospital is the same building as the old Sanatorium mentioned by us previously.
It reminds me of the Indians who always have a tendency to embellish the truth of any thing which exists or prevails in India by saying:
" it's the best in the world/India/Asia, it's the tallest in the world/India/Asia. However, they are being more modest now - 2nd best or one of the best!!!
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admin,
may I know the reason why my last message on this thread was edited??...is the word "baboon" too obscene to be used in public? if yes then dont you think that there are words which are much more intense which pass unnoticed by you on this forum...
You guys are overdoing things in an attempt to portray the image of "fair and strict moderators"...
may I know the reason why my last message on this thread was edited??...is the word "baboon" too obscene to be used in public? if yes then dont you think that there are words which are much more intense which pass unnoticed by you on this forum...
You guys are overdoing things in an attempt to portray the image of "fair and strict moderators"...
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Tahir
I think you are bigger "Baboon" of all of them. You deserve more than this !
I think you are bigger "Baboon" of all of them. You deserve more than this !
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mbohra
I can't blame your common sense since it remesembles like a "baboon" (like Tahir and all dawaat na dushmano) but you got the idea when the priminister mentioned
"I just had a brief tour of the hospital premises and I see before my eyes a world class healthcare facilities, another landmark in this commercial capital of India that Mumbai is. I have no doubt that the Saifee hospital will address the growing demand for state-of-the-art humane but efficient healthcare, as a multi speciality tertiary hospital." Indian Priminster Man Mohan sing
I can't blame your common sense since it remesembles like a "baboon" (like Tahir and all dawaat na dushmano) but you got the idea when the priminister mentioned
"I just had a brief tour of the hospital premises and I see before my eyes a world class healthcare facilities, another landmark in this commercial capital of India that Mumbai is. I have no doubt that the Saifee hospital will address the growing demand for state-of-the-art humane but efficient healthcare, as a multi speciality tertiary hospital." Indian Priminster Man Mohan sing
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i just had to come back.....
man now even the moderators think you talk nonsense .....your credibility is down the drain my boy....go on stay more stupid things which we don get to hear coz the moderators delete them. encore encore
man now even the moderators think you talk nonsense .....your credibility is down the drain my boy....go on stay more stupid things which we don get to hear coz the moderators delete them. encore encore
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I can see that someone has just got a deep breath of relief.... 
...(anyway, my intention is never to offend you guys..BUT TRUTH IS ALWAYS PAINFUL)
...(anyway, my intention is never to offend you guys..BUT TRUTH IS ALWAYS PAINFUL)Re: Saifee Hospital
Dear Tahir,
Please understand that criticising Sayedna Saheb and orthodox friends is one thing. Calling them names is quite another. It's elementary that we understand the difference. Using abusive language is not a characteristic of reformists, and we intend to keep it that way - at least on this forum.
We realise that you have a lot to say but please try to make your point without resorting to abuse. This will help all of us to keep focus on the subject under discussion, and make our (admin) work easier - less to monitor and fewer posts to 'edit'.
And just a simple reminder: abuse begets abuse (e.g. see Invincible's response!)
Please understand that criticising Sayedna Saheb and orthodox friends is one thing. Calling them names is quite another. It's elementary that we understand the difference. Using abusive language is not a characteristic of reformists, and we intend to keep it that way - at least on this forum.
We realise that you have a lot to say but please try to make your point without resorting to abuse. This will help all of us to keep focus on the subject under discussion, and make our (admin) work easier - less to monitor and fewer posts to 'edit'.
And just a simple reminder: abuse begets abuse (e.g. see Invincible's response!)
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My last message was removed by the admin that clearly tells the progressive bohra just want to hear complains due to their hatred and jeleousy. Why wouldnt you just accept the defeat if the idea is to make a logical argument.
so i am putting it again since you have carped alot on the grand opening of saifee hospital. let me put this in short. Although we Dawoodi bohra never claimed its the best or the tallest hospital in the world, the testimonial from the priminister itself acknowledged its stature as one of the state of art hospital in india and meets international standards.
"I just had a brief tour of the hospital premises and I see before my eyes a world class healthcare facilities, another landmark in this commercial capital of India that Mumbai is. I have no doubt that the Saifee hospital will address the growing demand for state-of-the-art humane" by Indian Prime minister, Manmohan Sing
You guys barked for mishandling the funds, here is more for you to read, mowla build this hosital without a single penny from loan but donations from Dawoodi bohra community
"It is not only the modernity and excellence of this hospital that is so impressive. I am truly touched by the philanthropic spirit of Syedna Sahib and the Daowoodi Bohra community that stands before us today in the form of bricks and mortar in the service of the people of this great metropolitan town that Mumbai is." says Priminister Manmohan sing on the official opening of grand Saifee Hospital.
Most of progressive bohras (Mudai's) can't percieve the biggest victory for dawoodi bohra, its a mere fact that we are victorious. what can i say, the embarassment and jelously in your minds can't help to accept your defeeat.
so i am putting it again since you have carped alot on the grand opening of saifee hospital. let me put this in short. Although we Dawoodi bohra never claimed its the best or the tallest hospital in the world, the testimonial from the priminister itself acknowledged its stature as one of the state of art hospital in india and meets international standards.
"I just had a brief tour of the hospital premises and I see before my eyes a world class healthcare facilities, another landmark in this commercial capital of India that Mumbai is. I have no doubt that the Saifee hospital will address the growing demand for state-of-the-art humane" by Indian Prime minister, Manmohan Sing
You guys barked for mishandling the funds, here is more for you to read, mowla build this hosital without a single penny from loan but donations from Dawoodi bohra community
"It is not only the modernity and excellence of this hospital that is so impressive. I am truly touched by the philanthropic spirit of Syedna Sahib and the Daowoodi Bohra community that stands before us today in the form of bricks and mortar in the service of the people of this great metropolitan town that Mumbai is." says Priminister Manmohan sing on the official opening of grand Saifee Hospital.
Most of progressive bohras (Mudai's) can't percieve the biggest victory for dawoodi bohra, its a mere fact that we are victorious. what can i say, the embarassment and jelously in your minds can't help to accept your defeeat.
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The arguments on this forum sound more like what we used to hear in the school yard: "My father is stronger than yours". Grow up guys!
Now about the Hospital. Finally some enlightenment in the community and something for the members welfare. This is the first time that the Dawaat has built a hospital, albeit from funds donated by a philanthropist. I just hope that it is run well. Let us also not forget the other poor in India and let us provide them with access to this grand facility. We need to build bridges in the wider community. All this last little while we have been building structures which have no direct value for the followers.Dawaat may finally have turned the corner I hope?
Now how about some people getting together and building a clinic in Kenya for the poor not bohoras but africans. We have milked them enough and so has the Kothar. Is it not time now to pay back.
There is not a single facility that has been built locally for the africans by bohoras. SO sad.
Now about the Hospital. Finally some enlightenment in the community and something for the members welfare. This is the first time that the Dawaat has built a hospital, albeit from funds donated by a philanthropist. I just hope that it is run well. Let us also not forget the other poor in India and let us provide them with access to this grand facility. We need to build bridges in the wider community. All this last little while we have been building structures which have no direct value for the followers.Dawaat may finally have turned the corner I hope?
Now how about some people getting together and building a clinic in Kenya for the poor not bohoras but africans. We have milked them enough and so has the Kothar. Is it not time now to pay back.
There is not a single facility that has been built locally for the africans by bohoras. SO sad.
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observer
you are a good critic, well let me first tell you, this is not the first time mowla has done charity , you are from kenya so i am originally from East Africa, you are very aware every milad occasion there is free medical camp for helping the poor africans, donation are given through the jamaat on any natural calamities. you admitted you have milked the africans well , so why dont you show some helping rather than criticizing dawaat liek a barking dog. its in blood of progressive bohras to bark like dogs. since you all claim to be perfectionist than can you give me an instant progressive bohras have done something good for the humanity.
Has your fucking leader Lain asgher engineer given any contribution to the poor. NO he is so fucking bussy criticizing dawaat, that is where he puts his money into. damn progressive, shame on you.
you are a good critic, well let me first tell you, this is not the first time mowla has done charity , you are from kenya so i am originally from East Africa, you are very aware every milad occasion there is free medical camp for helping the poor africans, donation are given through the jamaat on any natural calamities. you admitted you have milked the africans well , so why dont you show some helping rather than criticizing dawaat liek a barking dog. its in blood of progressive bohras to bark like dogs. since you all claim to be perfectionist than can you give me an instant progressive bohras have done something good for the humanity.
Has your fucking leader Lain asgher engineer given any contribution to the poor. NO he is so fucking bussy criticizing dawaat, that is where he puts his money into. damn progressive, shame on you.
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To Invincible but rather uneducated and brain-washed !
What has Dr. Asghar done for the Humanity?
Asghar Ali Engineer is a rights activist and heads the two organisations, Institute of Islamic Studies and Centre for Study of Society and Secularism. He has authored or edited 48 books on such issues as Islam and communal and ethnic problems in India and South Asia in general.
Some of the books written by Dr. Asghar Engineer:
http://www.csss-isla.com/booklist/asghar_list.php
Books written and edited by Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer
No. Book Year Publisher Price
1. The Bohras (revised edition) 1980 Vikas Publishing House, N-Delhi Rs.125/-
2. Communal Violence in Post-Independence India 1984 Orient Longman, Mumbai Rs.125/-
3. Islam & It's Relevance to Our Age 1984 I.I.S., Mumbai Rs.40/-
4. Bhivandi Bombay Riots (out of print) 1984 I.I.S., Mumbai Rs.50/-
5. On Developing Theory of Communal Riots 1984 C.S.S.S., Mumbai Rs.15/-
6. Indian Muslims a Study of Minority Problem 1984 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.150/-
7. Islam & Muslim-Critical Perspectives 1985 Rupa Books, Jaipur Rs.195/-
8. Islam South & South East Asia (ED.) 1985 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.100/-
9. Communalism and Communal Problem in India 1985 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.100/-
10. Communalism and Communal Violence 1985 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.250/-
11. The Shah Banu Controversy 1986 Orient Longman, Mumbai Rs.165/-
12. Struggles for Reforms in Bohra Community 1986 I.I.S., Mumbai Rs.60/-
13. Ethnic Conflict in South Asia 1987 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.125/-
14. Status of Women in Islam (ED.) 1987 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.60/-
15. Delhi Meerut Riots 1988 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.150/-
16. The Muslim Communities of Gujarat The Bohras, Khojas & Memons 1989 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.200/-
17. Religion & Liberation 1989 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.325/-
18. Justice, Women & Communal Harmony in Islam 1989 ICSSR, New Delhi
19. Liberation Theology in Islam 1990 Sterling Publishers, Delhi Rs.225/-
20. Babri Masjid Ram Janmabhoomi Controversy 1990 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.175/-
21. Sufism & Communal Harmony 1991 Rupa Books, Jaipur Rs.200/-
22. Secular Crown on Fire (Kashmir Problem) 1991 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.325/-
23. Mandal Commission Controversy 1991 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.310/-
24. Communalisation of Politics & 10th Loksabha Elections 1991 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.395/-
25. Politics of Confrontation (ED.) the Babri Masjid Ramjanmabhoomi Controversy Runs Riots
26. Communal Riots in Post Independence India 1991 Sangam Books Rs.135/-
27. Origin and Development of Islam 1992 Orient Longman, Mumbai Rs.165/-
28. Rights of Women in Islam 1992 Sterling Publishers, Delhi Rs.200/-
29. The Islamic State (revised edition) 1994 Vikas Publishing House, N-Delhi Rs.85/-
30. Islam & Revolution(ED.) 1994 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.150/-
31. Problem of Muslim Women in India 1994 Orient Longman, Mumbai Rs.250/-
32. Lifting the Veil Communal Violence and Communal, Harmony in Contemporary India 1994 Orient Longman, Mumbai Rs.325/-
33. Kerala Muslims In Historical Perspective 1995 Ajanta Books, Delhi
34. Communalism In India - A Historical and Empirical Study 1995 Vikas publishing House, N-Delhi
35. Gandhiji & Communal Harmony (ED.) 1997 Gandhi Peace Foundation Rs.355/-
36. Rethinking Issues in Islam 1998 Orient Longman, Mumbai Rs.200/-
37. State Secularism and Religion 1998 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.350/-
38. The Qur'an Women and Modern Society 1999 Sterling publishers, Delhi Rs.400/-
39. Contemporary Politics of Identity, Religion and Secularism 1999 Ajanta Publication, New Delhi Rs.350/-
40. Rational Approach to Islam 2000 Gyan Publishers, Delhi Rs.500/-
41. Islam, Women and Gender Justice 2001 Gyan Publishers, Delhi Rs.590/-
42. Islam in India - The Impact of Civilizations (ED) 2002 Shipra Publication, New Delhi Rs.295/-
43. Communal Challenge and Secular Response 2003 Shipra Publication, New Delhi Rs.550/-
44. On Developing Theology of Peace in Islam 2003 Sterling Publishers Private Limited, New Delhi Rs.400/-
45. The Gujarat Carnage 2003 Orient Longman Private Limited, New Delhi Rs.425/-
46. Communal Riots After Independence - A Comprehensive Account 2003 Shipra Publications, New Delhi Rs.550/- or US$40
47. The Rights of women in Islam 2004 Sterling Publishers Pvt. Ltd.,New Dehli Rs.500/- US$ 24.95
48. Islam - Challenges in 21st Century 2004 Gyan Publishing House, New Dehli Rs.540/-
48. The Qur'an, Women and Modern Society - second edition 2005 Sterling Publishers Pvt. Ltd., New Delhi Rs.500/-
Institute of Islamic Studies,
9B, Himalya Apts,
1st Floor, 6th Rd,
Santacruz (E), Mumbai:- 400 055.
India. Centre for Study of Society and Secularism,
Irene Cottage, Second Floor,
4th Road, Santacruz (E),
Mumbai:- 400 055, Ph:- 91-22-6149668, 6153489.
India.
2. www.rightlivelihood.org/ recip/2004/asghar-ali-engineer.htm
He won the 2004 The Right Livelihood Award " - an alternative Nobel Prize by the ...for strong commitment and cooperation over many years to promote the values of co-existence, tolerance and understanding in India and between the countries of South Asia"
The annual Right Livelihood Awards, was presented on December 9 in the Swedish Parliament, was given in recognition of dedicated work at community level in development, human rights, ecology, renewable energy and gender empowerment.
3. Some of the lectures, papers he has presented and worshops attended internationally are as follows:
- Women in Islam - What Identites? Whose Interest?
Joint effort with the Women's Development Collective (WDC)
Speaker: Asghar Ali Engineer, CSSS, India; Budi Munawar Rahman, Paramadina, Indonesia; and; Neelam Hussain, Simourgh, Pakistan
27 October 2002
- In May 2004,
Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer was invited to Oxford & Coventry Universities for an international seminar on 'Religious Violence in South Asia', held on 26th March 2004.
He spoke on Communal Carnage in Gujarat in 2002. His presentation on Gujarat violence was greatly appreciated by scholars working in this area. Prof. Paul Brass from USA who works on communal violence in India, showed particular appreciation for Dr. Engineer's presentation.
Taking advantage of Dr. Engineer's presence in UK, number of organisation in London and Birmingham organised his lectures.
The Department of Human Rights, East London University, London organised his lecture on 25th March on 'Interpreting Islamic Human Rights in the contemporary context'. Large number of professors and senior students studying Islam and Human Rights attended the lectures and Prof. Siraj Sait, teaching human rights conducted the program. The lecture removed many misconceptions about Human Rights and Islam.
On this occasion Dr. Engineer's second edition of the book Rights of Women in Islam was released. Dr. Engineer's threw light on rights of women in Islam as a part of human rights.
On 26th evening Mr. Engineer was invited by London Circle - an organisation of Muslims of all nationalities in London, to speak on 'Gender dynamics of Shariah Law'. Large number of Muslim women also attended this lecture, which was convened by Mr. Asim Siddiqui, Chairman, London Circle. Most of the audiences were from Arab Countries.
On 27th March, Dr. Engineer was invited to give a lecture on Islam, Democracy and the Shariah Law, by an organisation called Islam21. It was presided over by Mr. Najah Kadhim, A Professor of Economic from Iraq and was convened by Dr. Ghiyasuddin Siddiqui. The lecture was held at Muslim Cultural Heritage Center, London.
On 25th March, Dr. Engineer had to deliver two lectures in Birmingham, one organised by Birmingham Circle by Prof. Aquil Chaudhary. He spoke on Islam and Dilemmas of Modernity.
In the evening he spoke in a meeting organised by South Asians living in Birmingham and Leicester. The lecture was organised by Ms Haki Kapasi. Mr. Fazal Husain Kapasi leader of the reformist Bohras in UK also took part in the meeting. Mr. Engineer stayed with him and discussed about the forthcoming reformist conference in UK at the end of July 2004.
Dr. Engineer returned to London on 29th March and was invited to deliver a lecture on Quran and Modernity by Islamic College for Advanced Studies. This college is run by Iranian and particularly focuses on Shia theology. Dr. M. J. Elmi, Principal of the college and Senior Professor, Prof. Ezzi were also present in the lecture. And Prof. Tahir Wasti organised the lecture. Prof. Ezzi particularly greatly appreciated Dr. Engineer's lecture.
- In October 2001
The University of Western Australia's Department of Political Science presented two lectures by internationally renowned scholar of Islam, Professor Asghar Ali Engineer from the Institute of Islamic Studies in Mumbai, India.
His lecture: 'Islam and Women' will be delivered tomorrow (Wednesday, October 24, 2001) at 6pm in the Alexander Lecture Theatre.
The second lecture titled: 'Islam in South Asia' will be presented on Friday, October 26, 2001, at 11 am in the Political Science Conference Room.
- November 16 &18 2001
1. The Religious and Social background of Afghanistan and the Taliban: The Problems Involved
Speaker: Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer (Head of the Center for the Study of Society and Secularism & Director of the Institute of Islamic Studies)
Date and Time: November 16 (Friday), (17:10 ~ 8:40) PM
Place: Room No. 911 (9th. Floor), Library Building, Sophia University,Tokyo.
2. The present state of the Islamic movement in South Asia
Speaker: Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer (Head of the Center for the Study of Society and Secularism & Director of the Institute of Islamic Studies)
Date and Time: November 18 (Sunday), (15:00~17:00) PM
Place: 1st. Floor of the Hakubi-kan, Kyoto University.
Indian Muslim Council, USA (IMC-USA)
'Defending India's freedom, democracy and pluralism'
IMC-USA Weekly News Digest - January 14th, 2003
What: 'Secularism & Democracy in India: Challenges Ahead'
When: January 24th, 2004 from 12:30 - 4:30 PM.
Where: Santa Clara Marriott, 2700 Mission College Blvd, Santa Clara, CA
Tickets: $10, includes lunch. Free baby-sitting.
RSVP: bayarea@imc-usa.org , (408) 219-1433
More Info: http://www.imc-usa.org/events.htm
Sponsored by: Coalition against Communalism (CAC), Friends of South Asia (FOSA), South Asian Progressive Action Collective (SAPAC), NRI's for a Secular & Harmonious India (NRI-SAHI), Indian Muslim Council - USA (IMC-USA), Indian Muslim Relief Committee (IMRC)
What: 'Communalism & Identity Politics in India'
When: January 25, 2004. 6:00PM - 8:00 PM
Where: FunAsia, Richardson, TX
RSVP: info@imc-usa.org , (972)889-8000
Sponsored by: Indian Muslim Council - USA (IMC-USA)
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What: 'Democracy & Communal Harmony in India: Role of NRI & PIO Community'
When: Saturday, January 31st 2004, 1:00PM - 3:30 PM
Where: Indo-American Center, 6328 N. California, Chicago, IL 60659
Tickets: $10 per person, $5 for students (Includes Buffet Lunch)
RSVP: bb_nri_pio@yahoo.com , (708)466-0244
Sponsored by: Building Bridges [A Coalition comprising of following organizations: World Tamil Organization (WTO), South Asian Progressive Action Network (SAPAC), Coalition for Secular and Democratic India (CSDI), Indian Muslim Council-USA (IMC-USA), South Asia Group for Action and Reflection (SAGAR) ]
If you need a list of hundreds others, please feel free to ask. We will gladly oblige.
What has Dr. Asghar done for the Humanity?
Asghar Ali Engineer is a rights activist and heads the two organisations, Institute of Islamic Studies and Centre for Study of Society and Secularism. He has authored or edited 48 books on such issues as Islam and communal and ethnic problems in India and South Asia in general.
Some of the books written by Dr. Asghar Engineer:
http://www.csss-isla.com/booklist/asghar_list.php
Books written and edited by Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer
No. Book Year Publisher Price
1. The Bohras (revised edition) 1980 Vikas Publishing House, N-Delhi Rs.125/-
2. Communal Violence in Post-Independence India 1984 Orient Longman, Mumbai Rs.125/-
3. Islam & It's Relevance to Our Age 1984 I.I.S., Mumbai Rs.40/-
4. Bhivandi Bombay Riots (out of print) 1984 I.I.S., Mumbai Rs.50/-
5. On Developing Theory of Communal Riots 1984 C.S.S.S., Mumbai Rs.15/-
6. Indian Muslims a Study of Minority Problem 1984 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.150/-
7. Islam & Muslim-Critical Perspectives 1985 Rupa Books, Jaipur Rs.195/-
8. Islam South & South East Asia (ED.) 1985 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.100/-
9. Communalism and Communal Problem in India 1985 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.100/-
10. Communalism and Communal Violence 1985 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.250/-
11. The Shah Banu Controversy 1986 Orient Longman, Mumbai Rs.165/-
12. Struggles for Reforms in Bohra Community 1986 I.I.S., Mumbai Rs.60/-
13. Ethnic Conflict in South Asia 1987 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.125/-
14. Status of Women in Islam (ED.) 1987 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.60/-
15. Delhi Meerut Riots 1988 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.150/-
16. The Muslim Communities of Gujarat The Bohras, Khojas & Memons 1989 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.200/-
17. Religion & Liberation 1989 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.325/-
18. Justice, Women & Communal Harmony in Islam 1989 ICSSR, New Delhi
19. Liberation Theology in Islam 1990 Sterling Publishers, Delhi Rs.225/-
20. Babri Masjid Ram Janmabhoomi Controversy 1990 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.175/-
21. Sufism & Communal Harmony 1991 Rupa Books, Jaipur Rs.200/-
22. Secular Crown on Fire (Kashmir Problem) 1991 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.325/-
23. Mandal Commission Controversy 1991 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.310/-
24. Communalisation of Politics & 10th Loksabha Elections 1991 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.395/-
25. Politics of Confrontation (ED.) the Babri Masjid Ramjanmabhoomi Controversy Runs Riots
26. Communal Riots in Post Independence India 1991 Sangam Books Rs.135/-
27. Origin and Development of Islam 1992 Orient Longman, Mumbai Rs.165/-
28. Rights of Women in Islam 1992 Sterling Publishers, Delhi Rs.200/-
29. The Islamic State (revised edition) 1994 Vikas Publishing House, N-Delhi Rs.85/-
30. Islam & Revolution(ED.) 1994 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.150/-
31. Problem of Muslim Women in India 1994 Orient Longman, Mumbai Rs.250/-
32. Lifting the Veil Communal Violence and Communal, Harmony in Contemporary India 1994 Orient Longman, Mumbai Rs.325/-
33. Kerala Muslims In Historical Perspective 1995 Ajanta Books, Delhi
34. Communalism In India - A Historical and Empirical Study 1995 Vikas publishing House, N-Delhi
35. Gandhiji & Communal Harmony (ED.) 1997 Gandhi Peace Foundation Rs.355/-
36. Rethinking Issues in Islam 1998 Orient Longman, Mumbai Rs.200/-
37. State Secularism and Religion 1998 Ajanta Books, Delhi Rs.350/-
38. The Qur'an Women and Modern Society 1999 Sterling publishers, Delhi Rs.400/-
39. Contemporary Politics of Identity, Religion and Secularism 1999 Ajanta Publication, New Delhi Rs.350/-
40. Rational Approach to Islam 2000 Gyan Publishers, Delhi Rs.500/-
41. Islam, Women and Gender Justice 2001 Gyan Publishers, Delhi Rs.590/-
42. Islam in India - The Impact of Civilizations (ED) 2002 Shipra Publication, New Delhi Rs.295/-
43. Communal Challenge and Secular Response 2003 Shipra Publication, New Delhi Rs.550/-
44. On Developing Theology of Peace in Islam 2003 Sterling Publishers Private Limited, New Delhi Rs.400/-
45. The Gujarat Carnage 2003 Orient Longman Private Limited, New Delhi Rs.425/-
46. Communal Riots After Independence - A Comprehensive Account 2003 Shipra Publications, New Delhi Rs.550/- or US$40
47. The Rights of women in Islam 2004 Sterling Publishers Pvt. Ltd.,New Dehli Rs.500/- US$ 24.95
48. Islam - Challenges in 21st Century 2004 Gyan Publishing House, New Dehli Rs.540/-
48. The Qur'an, Women and Modern Society - second edition 2005 Sterling Publishers Pvt. Ltd., New Delhi Rs.500/-
Institute of Islamic Studies,
9B, Himalya Apts,
1st Floor, 6th Rd,
Santacruz (E), Mumbai:- 400 055.
India. Centre for Study of Society and Secularism,
Irene Cottage, Second Floor,
4th Road, Santacruz (E),
Mumbai:- 400 055, Ph:- 91-22-6149668, 6153489.
India.
2. www.rightlivelihood.org/ recip/2004/asghar-ali-engineer.htm
He won the 2004 The Right Livelihood Award " - an alternative Nobel Prize by the ...for strong commitment and cooperation over many years to promote the values of co-existence, tolerance and understanding in India and between the countries of South Asia"
The annual Right Livelihood Awards, was presented on December 9 in the Swedish Parliament, was given in recognition of dedicated work at community level in development, human rights, ecology, renewable energy and gender empowerment.
3. Some of the lectures, papers he has presented and worshops attended internationally are as follows:
- Women in Islam - What Identites? Whose Interest?
Joint effort with the Women's Development Collective (WDC)
Speaker: Asghar Ali Engineer, CSSS, India; Budi Munawar Rahman, Paramadina, Indonesia; and; Neelam Hussain, Simourgh, Pakistan
27 October 2002
- In May 2004,
Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer was invited to Oxford & Coventry Universities for an international seminar on 'Religious Violence in South Asia', held on 26th March 2004.
He spoke on Communal Carnage in Gujarat in 2002. His presentation on Gujarat violence was greatly appreciated by scholars working in this area. Prof. Paul Brass from USA who works on communal violence in India, showed particular appreciation for Dr. Engineer's presentation.
Taking advantage of Dr. Engineer's presence in UK, number of organisation in London and Birmingham organised his lectures.
The Department of Human Rights, East London University, London organised his lecture on 25th March on 'Interpreting Islamic Human Rights in the contemporary context'. Large number of professors and senior students studying Islam and Human Rights attended the lectures and Prof. Siraj Sait, teaching human rights conducted the program. The lecture removed many misconceptions about Human Rights and Islam.
On this occasion Dr. Engineer's second edition of the book Rights of Women in Islam was released. Dr. Engineer's threw light on rights of women in Islam as a part of human rights.
On 26th evening Mr. Engineer was invited by London Circle - an organisation of Muslims of all nationalities in London, to speak on 'Gender dynamics of Shariah Law'. Large number of Muslim women also attended this lecture, which was convened by Mr. Asim Siddiqui, Chairman, London Circle. Most of the audiences were from Arab Countries.
On 27th March, Dr. Engineer was invited to give a lecture on Islam, Democracy and the Shariah Law, by an organisation called Islam21. It was presided over by Mr. Najah Kadhim, A Professor of Economic from Iraq and was convened by Dr. Ghiyasuddin Siddiqui. The lecture was held at Muslim Cultural Heritage Center, London.
On 25th March, Dr. Engineer had to deliver two lectures in Birmingham, one organised by Birmingham Circle by Prof. Aquil Chaudhary. He spoke on Islam and Dilemmas of Modernity.
In the evening he spoke in a meeting organised by South Asians living in Birmingham and Leicester. The lecture was organised by Ms Haki Kapasi. Mr. Fazal Husain Kapasi leader of the reformist Bohras in UK also took part in the meeting. Mr. Engineer stayed with him and discussed about the forthcoming reformist conference in UK at the end of July 2004.
Dr. Engineer returned to London on 29th March and was invited to deliver a lecture on Quran and Modernity by Islamic College for Advanced Studies. This college is run by Iranian and particularly focuses on Shia theology. Dr. M. J. Elmi, Principal of the college and Senior Professor, Prof. Ezzi were also present in the lecture. And Prof. Tahir Wasti organised the lecture. Prof. Ezzi particularly greatly appreciated Dr. Engineer's lecture.
- In October 2001
The University of Western Australia's Department of Political Science presented two lectures by internationally renowned scholar of Islam, Professor Asghar Ali Engineer from the Institute of Islamic Studies in Mumbai, India.
His lecture: 'Islam and Women' will be delivered tomorrow (Wednesday, October 24, 2001) at 6pm in the Alexander Lecture Theatre.
The second lecture titled: 'Islam in South Asia' will be presented on Friday, October 26, 2001, at 11 am in the Political Science Conference Room.
- November 16 &18 2001
1. The Religious and Social background of Afghanistan and the Taliban: The Problems Involved
Speaker: Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer (Head of the Center for the Study of Society and Secularism & Director of the Institute of Islamic Studies)
Date and Time: November 16 (Friday), (17:10 ~ 8:40) PM
Place: Room No. 911 (9th. Floor), Library Building, Sophia University,Tokyo.
2. The present state of the Islamic movement in South Asia
Speaker: Dr. Asghar Ali Engineer (Head of the Center for the Study of Society and Secularism & Director of the Institute of Islamic Studies)
Date and Time: November 18 (Sunday), (15:00~17:00) PM
Place: 1st. Floor of the Hakubi-kan, Kyoto University.
Indian Muslim Council, USA (IMC-USA)
'Defending India's freedom, democracy and pluralism'
IMC-USA Weekly News Digest - January 14th, 2003
What: 'Secularism & Democracy in India: Challenges Ahead'
When: January 24th, 2004 from 12:30 - 4:30 PM.
Where: Santa Clara Marriott, 2700 Mission College Blvd, Santa Clara, CA
Tickets: $10, includes lunch. Free baby-sitting.
RSVP: bayarea@imc-usa.org , (408) 219-1433
More Info: http://www.imc-usa.org/events.htm
Sponsored by: Coalition against Communalism (CAC), Friends of South Asia (FOSA), South Asian Progressive Action Collective (SAPAC), NRI's for a Secular & Harmonious India (NRI-SAHI), Indian Muslim Council - USA (IMC-USA), Indian Muslim Relief Committee (IMRC)
What: 'Communalism & Identity Politics in India'
When: January 25, 2004. 6:00PM - 8:00 PM
Where: FunAsia, Richardson, TX
RSVP: info@imc-usa.org , (972)889-8000
Sponsored by: Indian Muslim Council - USA (IMC-USA)
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What: 'Democracy & Communal Harmony in India: Role of NRI & PIO Community'
When: Saturday, January 31st 2004, 1:00PM - 3:30 PM
Where: Indo-American Center, 6328 N. California, Chicago, IL 60659
Tickets: $10 per person, $5 for students (Includes Buffet Lunch)
RSVP: bb_nri_pio@yahoo.com , (708)466-0244
Sponsored by: Building Bridges [A Coalition comprising of following organizations: World Tamil Organization (WTO), South Asian Progressive Action Network (SAPAC), Coalition for Secular and Democratic India (CSDI), Indian Muslim Council-USA (IMC-USA), South Asia Group for Action and Reflection (SAGAR) ]
If you need a list of hundreds others, please feel free to ask. We will gladly oblige.
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Invincible
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Re: Saifee Hospital
mbohra
what a ... common sense you have , I asked if your lain Engineer have done any human charity, i was not asking for his publication which most are nonesnse and phony to disuise to look a good muslim. the fact is that he is the biggest crook and biggest hypocrite.
Is there any human charity Progressive bohra or lain engineer have done? none, but they are the .... champion in complaining , criticizing what dawaat is ever since practicing dawaat.
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what a ... common sense you have , I asked if your lain Engineer have done any human charity, i was not asking for his publication which most are nonesnse and phony to disuise to look a good muslim. the fact is that he is the biggest crook and biggest hypocrite.
Is there any human charity Progressive bohra or lain engineer have done? none, but they are the .... champion in complaining , criticizing what dawaat is ever since practicing dawaat.
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Re: Saifee Hospital
observer and mbohra,
We are here to discuss with progressives and not regressives. The latters' sole purpose is to create unnecessary distraction. Dont let them succeed in motives as ugly as their beloved "father" have for humanity (usurping land and money etc.). These petty shopkeepers are good for tax evasion, electricity theft, illegal immigration, spreading garbage in public places etc. BUT not for intellectual discussion. Just keep these brainwashed shitpiles on ignore like I have done. Else we'll have to stoop to their gutter level of arguements. First let them take their million years to come in synch with us. For example, the definition of "charity" for them is "extort Rs.10000 from the community and then give back Rs.10"...
. I am sure the progressive idea of charity is different and more philanthropic.
We are here to discuss with progressives and not regressives. The latters' sole purpose is to create unnecessary distraction. Dont let them succeed in motives as ugly as their beloved "father" have for humanity (usurping land and money etc.). These petty shopkeepers are good for tax evasion, electricity theft, illegal immigration, spreading garbage in public places etc. BUT not for intellectual discussion. Just keep these brainwashed shitpiles on ignore like I have done. Else we'll have to stoop to their gutter level of arguements. First let them take their million years to come in synch with us. For example, the definition of "charity" for them is "extort Rs.10000 from the community and then give back Rs.10"...
. I am sure the progressive idea of charity is different and more philanthropic.Re: Saifee Hospital
to practical i have not used any abusive talk at all what i said about ajgar and his friends was a question that"where is he hidden is he hiding in some dark corner or has he reached jahannam(his final dwelling place),all you have to do is answer this ,it is a fact that you people right now are burning in envy after the hospitals iftetah because after all you tried to stop its contruction you were not able to do it so i said ke jalo ane jalo ,what is wrong with that if you find this abusive then its because the truth hurts
Re: Saifee Hospital
tAHIR(LAIN),
WHAT IS WRONG WITH BEING A SHOPKEEPER, WE WORK HARD TO FEED OUR FAMILIES, WHAT IS WRONG IN BEING IN BUISINESS, ALL HIGH FLERS USE TAX LOOP HOLES ETC ETC , WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION BY THE WAY, SURELY WONT BE OF AN INTELEECTUAL TYPE.
WHAT IS WRONG WITH BEING A SHOPKEEPER, WE WORK HARD TO FEED OUR FAMILIES, WHAT IS WRONG IN BEING IN BUISINESS, ALL HIGH FLERS USE TAX LOOP HOLES ETC ETC , WHAT IS YOUR PROFESSION BY THE WAY, SURELY WONT BE OF AN INTELEECTUAL TYPE.
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Re: Saifee Hospital
Tahir
i thought you wanted to make a logical argument but you are a prejudice. you said we are small shopkeeper, that tells how much you are knowledgable of the prosperity of dawaat. anyway all those you mentioned about bohra shoopkeepers i am sure you and your parents did the buisness in the same manner, basically the whole system in india runs on coruption and that is how all the buisness are runned in the thirld world country, that does not mean bohras are small traders or a weak community. you narrow minded.
If you got the balls to ask your father (if he is alive), ask him if he has ever paid all the taxes sincearly, never litter on the street. i am sure even him will show you a middle finger. bravo on your intellectuality, you are such an moron! I feel like neglecting to argue with you
i thought you wanted to make a logical argument but you are a prejudice. you said we are small shopkeeper, that tells how much you are knowledgable of the prosperity of dawaat. anyway all those you mentioned about bohra shoopkeepers i am sure you and your parents did the buisness in the same manner, basically the whole system in india runs on coruption and that is how all the buisness are runned in the thirld world country, that does not mean bohras are small traders or a weak community. you narrow minded.
If you got the balls to ask your father (if he is alive), ask him if he has ever paid all the taxes sincearly, never litter on the street. i am sure even him will show you a middle finger. bravo on your intellectuality, you are such an moron! I feel like neglecting to argue with you
Re: Saifee Hospital
Hey Guys,the likes of Tahir are not islamic, forget about being progressive.He openly admitted he do not follow islam.
so, why discuss with him issues of orthodox/reform with him..
just neglect him.
so, why discuss with him issues of orthodox/reform with him..
just neglect him.