QURESH BHAISAHEB PASSES AWAY
QURESH BHAISAHEB PASSES AWAY
Quresh Bhaisaheb passed away two days back.He was the son of the previous Mukasir Saheb.It seems that he was disowned by the Kothar and his family.All we know is hearsay.Can anyone on the board please shed more information on him.Surprisingly even malumaat has not putup an announcement on is death.Why is it so???
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Yes it is confirmed from his resident at Bandra Bombay (Phone No. 2649 53 592) that uresh Bhaisaheb has expired on 30th Sept. 03 and burried in Naryalwadi cemetary in Bombay. n Frieda 3th October his sipara are in Naryalwadi Mosque.
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salaam,
I was expecting revelations regarding the bhaisaheb and the rest of the family.Why was he disowned by his family and why such discrimination against him, Did he pose a serious threat as well? Can someone solve the riddle? Perhaps MR.Engineer can tell us why.
I was expecting revelations regarding the bhaisaheb and the rest of the family.Why was he disowned by his family and why such discrimination against him, Did he pose a serious threat as well? Can someone solve the riddle? Perhaps MR.Engineer can tell us why.
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I know two sons of late Mukasir Saheb, Salehbhai Safiuddin Saheb namely Quresh Bhaisaheb and Hashim Bhai Saheb. I also know that Hashim bhaisaheb was associatted with Radio Cub in Bombay, But recently he was seen by travelling in a local bus indicating his poor financial status. But Quresh bhaisaheb had surplus money and with that he had created a city of his own near Bombay giving employment to thousands of Bohra youth.
Late Salehbhai had Jew wife as his second wife and his relation after the death of his brother Taher Saifuddin was strained with other people in the family as he was holding power and control of massive wealth being chairman of almost all trusts of the family. Soon after his death his sons were driven out of Badri Mahal.
I had met Queshbhai Saheb on 4th of March this year when he had come down to Bhindi Bazar during Moharram vaiz.
Late Salehbhai had Jew wife as his second wife and his relation after the death of his brother Taher Saifuddin was strained with other people in the family as he was holding power and control of massive wealth being chairman of almost all trusts of the family. Soon after his death his sons were driven out of Badri Mahal.
I had met Queshbhai Saheb on 4th of March this year when he had come down to Bhindi Bazar during Moharram vaiz.
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On Friday 3rd October Quresh bhai Saheb's siparas were held in Naryalwadi Kabrastan Masjid. No one from Kothar was present. In all there were 12 ordinary Bohras though hundreds of Bohras were there in Kabrastan because of Jaman. Most of them did not know of the death of Quresh Bhai Saheb. Some even did not know who Quresh Bhai Saheb was. There were only three ladies. Among them one was Quresh Bhai Saheb's second wife and second was his daughter.
The same thing had happened with Dawood Bhai Saheb who served Kothar for more than 45 years at Macca.
If this the treatment meted out to the near and dear ones in Kothar those Bohras who are close to Sayedna Saheb because of their wealth should think over about their future.
Let's pray to Allah that Sayedi Mazoon Saheb do not meet the same fate.
The same thing had happened with Dawood Bhai Saheb who served Kothar for more than 45 years at Macca.
If this the treatment meted out to the near and dear ones in Kothar those Bohras who are close to Sayedna Saheb because of their wealth should think over about their future.
Let's pray to Allah that Sayedi Mazoon Saheb do not meet the same fate.
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Shocking!!
Burhanuddin is as evil and luchoo(greedy) as his father Taher Saifuddin. And his evil satanic family must be descendent from shaitan
Burhanuddin is as evil and luchoo(greedy) as his father Taher Saifuddin. And his evil satanic family must be descendent from shaitan
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HEY BITCHOriginally posted by jinx:
Shocking!!
Burhanuddin is as evil and luchoo(greedy) as his father Taher Saifuddin. And his evil satanic family must be descendent from shaitan
Mind your language..
You are going to burn in hell and that is the prayer of every mumin.
With your statement above, you have cursed every dai ever born. You are a damned WOMAN!
Worst of the worst enemies of our dawat and we had heard about evil people like you in past but we are seeing real munafiq in this age as well... which is inevitable.
You do not respect any aspect of our Dawoodi Bohra faith but you keep coming back.. YOU BITCH
Go back to your husband's religion but leave Bohras alone.
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Moneen 110! Dear friend! We are all Dawoodi Bohras, decent and civilised people, we all should be carefull in using our laguage. We should not follow the charactorless Kotharis who use abusing language and lanat whenever things goes against them. And Sayedna Burhanuudin is no exception to this who curses Sir Adamjee eerbhoy every now and then who created riot in Bombay by cursing Sunni Muslim Khalifas.
The fact is that from 51st Dai Sayedna Taher Saifuddin's time their link with Imamuz-Zaman has broken. 51st Dai was celever enough to hide this fact by pulling down curtain suddenly during Namaz and anounce that Sayena Saheb was meeting and discussing with Imam. Otherwise what is stopping him in declaring 'Nass'even at the age of 92 years. But the fact that both these Dais have led and Burhanuddin Saheb is still leading such a good community to complete degration. The whole Dawat institution is stinking with corruption.
Reformist as well orthodox Bohras have lots of respect for Ahle-bayet and earlier Dais. n public demand from reformist Bohras the Bohra Chronicle is publishing the history of of Dais under heading "Dai-no-silsilo" in Gujarati section.
The fact is that from 51st Dai Sayedna Taher Saifuddin's time their link with Imamuz-Zaman has broken. 51st Dai was celever enough to hide this fact by pulling down curtain suddenly during Namaz and anounce that Sayena Saheb was meeting and discussing with Imam. Otherwise what is stopping him in declaring 'Nass'even at the age of 92 years. But the fact that both these Dais have led and Burhanuddin Saheb is still leading such a good community to complete degration. The whole Dawat institution is stinking with corruption.
Reformist as well orthodox Bohras have lots of respect for Ahle-bayet and earlier Dais. n public demand from reformist Bohras the Bohra Chronicle is publishing the history of of Dais under heading "Dai-no-silsilo" in Gujarati section.
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Moneen 110! Dear friend! We are all Dawoodi Bohras, decent and civilised people, we all should be carefull in using our laguage. We should not follow the charactorless Kotharis who use abusing language and lanat whenever things goes against them. And Sayedna Burhanuudin is no exception to this who curses Sir Adamjee eerbhoy every now and then who created riot in Bombay by cursing Sunni Muslim Khalifas.
The fact is that from 51st Dai Sayedna Taher Saifuddin's time their link with Imamuz-Zaman has broken. 51st Dai was clever enough to hide this fact by pulling down curtain suddenly during Namaz and anounce that Sayena Saheb was meeting and discussing with Imam. But the fact that both these Dais have led and Burhanuddin Saheb is still leading such a good community to complete degration. Otherwise what is stopping Burhanuddin Saheb in declaring 'Nass'even at the age of 92 years.
The whole Dawat institution with the type os selfish Dai, his famity and his establishment, is stinking with corruption.
Reformist as well orthodox Bohras have lots of respect for Ahle-bayet and earlier Dais. n public demand from reformist Bohras the Bohra Chronicle is publishing the history of of Dais under heading "Dai-no-silsilo" in Gujarati section.
The fact is that from 51st Dai Sayedna Taher Saifuddin's time their link with Imamuz-Zaman has broken. 51st Dai was clever enough to hide this fact by pulling down curtain suddenly during Namaz and anounce that Sayena Saheb was meeting and discussing with Imam. But the fact that both these Dais have led and Burhanuddin Saheb is still leading such a good community to complete degration. Otherwise what is stopping Burhanuddin Saheb in declaring 'Nass'even at the age of 92 years.
The whole Dawat institution with the type os selfish Dai, his famity and his establishment, is stinking with corruption.
Reformist as well orthodox Bohras have lots of respect for Ahle-bayet and earlier Dais. n public demand from reformist Bohras the Bohra Chronicle is publishing the history of of Dais under heading "Dai-no-silsilo" in Gujarati section.
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S. Insaf
You wrote that 51st Dai and the present dai have lost contact with the Imam. How do you know that for a fact and can you prove it. If they have then as per the Dawoodi Bohra belief they are not the rightful Dai-ul Mutlaq and the Dawat cannot exist without a rightful Dai in office.
I thought the Reformist always accepted the present Dai as the rightful claimant and had issues with the social reforms in the community rather than challenging the religious authority.
You wrote that 51st Dai and the present dai have lost contact with the Imam. How do you know that for a fact and can you prove it. If they have then as per the Dawoodi Bohra belief they are not the rightful Dai-ul Mutlaq and the Dawat cannot exist without a rightful Dai in office.
I thought the Reformist always accepted the present Dai as the rightful claimant and had issues with the social reforms in the community rather than challenging the religious authority.
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Reasons of my belief are based on certain fact that are visible in today's Dawat:
1) We Dawoodi Bohras believe in Imams and Dais must be pious, kind, honest and true followers of Quran & Ahle-bayet, the conditions led down by Holy Prophet himself.
2)When there is rampant corruption in Dai's administration, when Dai has no voice and ruled by a gang of religious Mafia created by him, when Dai's religion becomes amassing wealth, glorifying himself, how can Imam keep any contact which such person!
3)Dawat's mission is to call people towards the religion of Islam and for that very purpose the rutbas of Mazoon & Mukasir were created. These rutbas are no more functionary today. They are there to collect Salams in their name. Nothing more.
4)Dai's foolish steps like formulating conditions that a Bohra can not become Bohra unless he/she gives Misaq to Dai, separating Bohras through Baraat rather then calling them towards Islam, creating a cult rather then spreading the true spirit of Islam, creating divide between Bohras and other Muslims, force on Misaq (which is so tender that it breaks every now and then), on Raza, Card system, dress code.
5) No Dai before late Sayedna had called himself 'uran-e-Natiq' and actual a 'dead book', ever compelled Bohras to do Sajdat befor him, ever dared to use Allah's and Rasulallah's titles like Quazi-ul-Hajat, Kabatul-Musalleen, Khairu-Anam etc. ever dared call himself 'Ilahul-Ard', ever introduced namaz for Dai, ever claimed that the kissing their hands are better than kissing Hajare-Aswad and so on.
If Dai was in contact of Imamuz-Zaman and if Iman's check was there on him do you think he would have allowed him to cross these limits?
6) The word 'Haq-na-Dai' has great significant as earlier also some Duat has crossed these limits of 'Hudud-ullah, and 'Hudul-Ibad'.
7) The Reformist strongly believe in Fatemi-Dawat and its glorious principles. But individual office bearer can err.
Reformists are demanding is accounts for the money collected every year from the community, stopping coercive methods of collection of funds, abolition of raza which as no theological basis in our Da`wat and acceptance of democratic management of Jamat committees. We feel the Da`i has to provide us religious guidance and nothing more. He should not interefere in our secular matters, nor force us to accept anything. A religious guide has to provide guidance and lead us in prayer and solve our spiritual problems.
1) We Dawoodi Bohras believe in Imams and Dais must be pious, kind, honest and true followers of Quran & Ahle-bayet, the conditions led down by Holy Prophet himself.
2)When there is rampant corruption in Dai's administration, when Dai has no voice and ruled by a gang of religious Mafia created by him, when Dai's religion becomes amassing wealth, glorifying himself, how can Imam keep any contact which such person!
3)Dawat's mission is to call people towards the religion of Islam and for that very purpose the rutbas of Mazoon & Mukasir were created. These rutbas are no more functionary today. They are there to collect Salams in their name. Nothing more.
4)Dai's foolish steps like formulating conditions that a Bohra can not become Bohra unless he/she gives Misaq to Dai, separating Bohras through Baraat rather then calling them towards Islam, creating a cult rather then spreading the true spirit of Islam, creating divide between Bohras and other Muslims, force on Misaq (which is so tender that it breaks every now and then), on Raza, Card system, dress code.
5) No Dai before late Sayedna had called himself 'uran-e-Natiq' and actual a 'dead book', ever compelled Bohras to do Sajdat befor him, ever dared to use Allah's and Rasulallah's titles like Quazi-ul-Hajat, Kabatul-Musalleen, Khairu-Anam etc. ever dared call himself 'Ilahul-Ard', ever introduced namaz for Dai, ever claimed that the kissing their hands are better than kissing Hajare-Aswad and so on.
If Dai was in contact of Imamuz-Zaman and if Iman's check was there on him do you think he would have allowed him to cross these limits?
6) The word 'Haq-na-Dai' has great significant as earlier also some Duat has crossed these limits of 'Hudud-ullah, and 'Hudul-Ibad'.
7) The Reformist strongly believe in Fatemi-Dawat and its glorious principles. But individual office bearer can err.
Reformists are demanding is accounts for the money collected every year from the community, stopping coercive methods of collection of funds, abolition of raza which as no theological basis in our Da`wat and acceptance of democratic management of Jamat committees. We feel the Da`i has to provide us religious guidance and nothing more. He should not interefere in our secular matters, nor force us to accept anything. A religious guide has to provide guidance and lead us in prayer and solve our spiritual problems.
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MOHD HUSSAIN
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One more thing to note is that Syedna Taher Saifuddin allegedly poisoned his brother Taiyebbhai to secure the daiship for himself! So he was not a legitimate Dai to start with!
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Is this "alleged" statement, a truth or an unsupported embellishment or a mis-truth like the other ones we challenged before (and hitherto not responded by S.Insaf)?
Not to preach the "gospel to the converted", the integrity,credibility and professionalism of this website and the messsage board should be entirely dependent on the documented facts, truth and evidentiary documents. We should NOT "wing it" just to make it sensational or salacious/sexy or a gossip site with no bearing on the truth whatsoever. The word "progressive" does not or must not give us a license to lie, make-up, cheat, steal, conceal, embellish, exagerate or defraud; but rather to set an example on some of the corrupt Kotharis and mainstream Bohris - we must add, not all.
Not to preach the "gospel to the converted", the integrity,credibility and professionalism of this website and the messsage board should be entirely dependent on the documented facts, truth and evidentiary documents. We should NOT "wing it" just to make it sensational or salacious/sexy or a gossip site with no bearing on the truth whatsoever. The word "progressive" does not or must not give us a license to lie, make-up, cheat, steal, conceal, embellish, exagerate or defraud; but rather to set an example on some of the corrupt Kotharis and mainstream Bohris - we must add, not all.
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Dear Monineen,
I do not support the story of piosoning as it was a hearsay, but regarding your allegation that:
Is this "alleged" statement, a truth or an unsupported embellishment or a mis-truth like the other ones we challenged before (and hitherto not responded by S.Insaf)?
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO BE MORE SPECIFIC. Which statement I made and not responded to?
I do not support the story of piosoning as it was a hearsay, but regarding your allegation that:
Is this "alleged" statement, a truth or an unsupported embellishment or a mis-truth like the other ones we challenged before (and hitherto not responded by S.Insaf)?
I WOULD LIKE YOU TO BE MORE SPECIFIC. Which statement I made and not responded to?
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I agree with mumineen, there's no room for sensational stuff here. Mohd. Hussain, I appreciate your spirit and enthusiasm but lets not get carried away. Saying things without supporting evidence amounts to loose talk.
You're doing a fine job of exposing the Kothar. Don't weaken your and our case by gossip and hearsay.
Let's stick to facts. Facts are the best weapons we'll ever have or ever want - to cut through the lies and deception of the immoral and illegitimate priesthood.
Look at the most recent fact. The "infallible" sultaan of Bohras meets the murderous Hindu zealot Modi. And see how the qiyams and simons and other devotees on this board have fallen silent. They are in the business of defending the indefensible, but now they don't know where to look, what to say, what chapter and verse of the Quran to quote, which manufactured tradition to invoke. Their "infallible" sultaan has let them down. I hate to gloat over their miserable situation, it's a not a nice thing to do. But if this incident won't open their eyes then I wonder what will.
You're doing a fine job of exposing the Kothar. Don't weaken your and our case by gossip and hearsay.
Let's stick to facts. Facts are the best weapons we'll ever have or ever want - to cut through the lies and deception of the immoral and illegitimate priesthood.
Look at the most recent fact. The "infallible" sultaan of Bohras meets the murderous Hindu zealot Modi. And see how the qiyams and simons and other devotees on this board have fallen silent. They are in the business of defending the indefensible, but now they don't know where to look, what to say, what chapter and verse of the Quran to quote, which manufactured tradition to invoke. Their "infallible" sultaan has let them down. I hate to gloat over their miserable situation, it's a not a nice thing to do. But if this incident won't open their eyes then I wonder what will.
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I have not fallen silent. Mohd Husain had mentioned earlier that 'I saw a picture of shahzada with Kothari gang walking along' - he mentioned that Modi was being felicitated.
He then brings out a picture of Modi walking in the streets with some Bohra men without any Shahzada in sight. That proves Md Husain wrong.
The captioning by Md Husain mentions that the photograph was taken in the election in Ahmedabad after the riots. I think the picture could also have been taken in Rajkot(the first election before the riots) Could any reader confirm this pls - do the streets look like Rajkot or Ahmedabad(Ellis Nagar constituency)
All this was mentioned before the Syedna met Modi in Surat. He, as our leader, has the prerogrative to meet anyone. Look back in history, Maulana Ali(A.S) fought with Muawaiya and with the same Muawiya, Maulana Hasan(A.S) sought peace. Jabir bin Abdullah Ansari had this thought in mind, that why did Maulana Hasan agree for peace and give up his claim for Khilafat. The Prophet(PBUH) came in his dreams and reminded him that Imam even if they were sitting(agree for peace) or standing(fight a war), they were Haq na Imam and every action of theirs is filled with Haqiqat.
He then brings out a picture of Modi walking in the streets with some Bohra men without any Shahzada in sight. That proves Md Husain wrong.
The captioning by Md Husain mentions that the photograph was taken in the election in Ahmedabad after the riots. I think the picture could also have been taken in Rajkot(the first election before the riots) Could any reader confirm this pls - do the streets look like Rajkot or Ahmedabad(Ellis Nagar constituency)
All this was mentioned before the Syedna met Modi in Surat. He, as our leader, has the prerogrative to meet anyone. Look back in history, Maulana Ali(A.S) fought with Muawaiya and with the same Muawiya, Maulana Hasan(A.S) sought peace. Jabir bin Abdullah Ansari had this thought in mind, that why did Maulana Hasan agree for peace and give up his claim for Khilafat. The Prophet(PBUH) came in his dreams and reminded him that Imam even if they were sitting(agree for peace) or standing(fight a war), they were Haq na Imam and every action of theirs is filled with Haqiqat.
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Obviously, I had underestimated your capacity to defend the indefensible.
You did manage to dig up an example to justify even this act. "Our leader's prerogative" is a convenient excuse. It's like saying anything goes.
Imam Hasan sought peace with Muawaiya, but surely his (Imam Hasan's) "sitting down" didn't do much good. Ultimately, Imam Hussain had to "stand up" to Yazid. That was 1400 years ago.
Today the times, the context and the nature of the conflict are completely different. Modi is no Muawaiya, the Dai is no Imam and Khilfat or Dawat is not at stake. There is no urgency in seeking peace with Modi ( if there is, then let the public know). The bohras in India are a part of a multicultural, diverse society. And they are a very tiny minority - their interests are served by promoting the cause secularism not by playing footsie with anti-Muslim bigots like Modi, Bal Thackeray etc.
Sayedna saheb actions maybe filled with haqiqat, but I'm sorry to say it goes against the basic tenets of our religion: to fight the oppressor, to fight for justice. Where is the dignity in "sitting down" in the face of oppression. Sayedna saheb should stand up and challenge these zealots, demand justice in behalf of not only Bohras, but Muslims and other minorities who have suffered at the hands of these bigots. And he will not be alone in doing this, he won't have to stick his neck out. There's a whole secular movement behind him and tens of millions of people to support him.
To do that would be a true sign of a leader, a true Islamic action - filled with haqiqat, if you will.
It's difficult to judge what's more shameful, sayedna saheb's action or the lame attempts to justify it.
You did manage to dig up an example to justify even this act. "Our leader's prerogative" is a convenient excuse. It's like saying anything goes.
Imam Hasan sought peace with Muawaiya, but surely his (Imam Hasan's) "sitting down" didn't do much good. Ultimately, Imam Hussain had to "stand up" to Yazid. That was 1400 years ago.
Today the times, the context and the nature of the conflict are completely different. Modi is no Muawaiya, the Dai is no Imam and Khilfat or Dawat is not at stake. There is no urgency in seeking peace with Modi ( if there is, then let the public know). The bohras in India are a part of a multicultural, diverse society. And they are a very tiny minority - their interests are served by promoting the cause secularism not by playing footsie with anti-Muslim bigots like Modi, Bal Thackeray etc.
Sayedna saheb actions maybe filled with haqiqat, but I'm sorry to say it goes against the basic tenets of our religion: to fight the oppressor, to fight for justice. Where is the dignity in "sitting down" in the face of oppression. Sayedna saheb should stand up and challenge these zealots, demand justice in behalf of not only Bohras, but Muslims and other minorities who have suffered at the hands of these bigots. And he will not be alone in doing this, he won't have to stick his neck out. There's a whole secular movement behind him and tens of millions of people to support him.
To do that would be a true sign of a leader, a true Islamic action - filled with haqiqat, if you will.
It's difficult to judge what's more shameful, sayedna saheb's action or the lame attempts to justify it.
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S. Insaf:
In response to your question:10.10.2003
"I WOULD LIKE YOU TO BE MORE SPECIFIC. Which statement I made and not responded to? "
Our Response:
1. Topic: Pointless Card System
posted 10-04-2003 04:00 PM
S. Insaf:
Are you NOW able to support your following assertion of posted 09-14-2003 03:17 PM from the "certain newspaper cuttings recieved from London" that:
- He is an eye-specialist by qualification but has never practiced;
- He was sentenced to one year jail for killing a British couple in car accident allegedly under influence of over dose of liqour;
- He was bailed out by Agakhan;
- he is a murderer;
If you can not, as a responsible executive of the progressive Mumbai jamaat, apologise for these unsupported sensational journalistic embellishments or outright mistruths.
2. Topic: 521 “samuh” Lagans in Mumbai: 521 Mass Weddings in Mumbai
posted 10-04-2003 03:48 PM
S. Insaf:
But you still have not responded to your original assertion(!) of posted 09-20-2003 07:43 AM that:
"Times of India, Friday, dated 19th Sept. 2003 Mumbai edition in which in the last para under the heading 'Beware Bohras'"
Is there a heading "Beware Bohras" or was it the so-called journalistic inadvertent embellishment?
In response to your question:10.10.2003
"I WOULD LIKE YOU TO BE MORE SPECIFIC. Which statement I made and not responded to? "
Our Response:
1. Topic: Pointless Card System
posted 10-04-2003 04:00 PM
S. Insaf:
Are you NOW able to support your following assertion of posted 09-14-2003 03:17 PM from the "certain newspaper cuttings recieved from London" that:
- He is an eye-specialist by qualification but has never practiced;
- He was sentenced to one year jail for killing a British couple in car accident allegedly under influence of over dose of liqour;
- He was bailed out by Agakhan;
- he is a murderer;
If you can not, as a responsible executive of the progressive Mumbai jamaat, apologise for these unsupported sensational journalistic embellishments or outright mistruths.
2. Topic: 521 “samuh” Lagans in Mumbai: 521 Mass Weddings in Mumbai
posted 10-04-2003 03:48 PM
S. Insaf:
But you still have not responded to your original assertion(!) of posted 09-20-2003 07:43 AM that:
"Times of India, Friday, dated 19th Sept. 2003 Mumbai edition in which in the last para under the heading 'Beware Bohras'"
Is there a heading "Beware Bohras" or was it the so-called journalistic inadvertent embellishment?
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Dear Momineen, Dr. Idris episod is an old episod. I had seen those paper-cuttings in the office of Dawoodi Bohra Bulletin then. The Bulletin is no more, the office of Bulletin in Bombay is no more but never the less I am still looking in the old records that are available and old Bulletin issues. But what I wrote was not wrong, Dr. Idris did hit a British couple in a car accident, the couple did die, and he was proved under influence of ome drug, he tried and jailed and bail out. A doctor is supposed to save some one's life but if he kills some one is he not a killer?
So please have petience and wait till those documents are available. I don't to want mislead any one on this site therefore the moment some one came with facts known to him I did thank him.
Regarding the news in Times the para quoted doe a word 'Beware' and do agree I made a mistake in calling it a heading rather than Warning.
So please have petience and wait till those documents are available. I don't to want mislead any one on this site therefore the moment some one came with facts known to him I did thank him.
Regarding the news in Times the para quoted doe a word 'Beware' and do agree I made a mistake in calling it a heading rather than Warning.
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In 1996, when Saddam's son Uday, the man who helped massacre countless Shiites and Kurds, survived an assassination attempt, Sayedna sent a delegation to visit him and wish him a "quick recovery".
It doesn't matter to Sayedna if a regime is murderous or bigoted - as long his OWN interests are served by appeasing them.
It doesn't matter to Sayedna if a regime is murderous or bigoted - as long his OWN interests are served by appeasing them.
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Thanks S.Insaf for your response:
1. The fact that the episode is "old" does not mean that facts now have to be misleading or can be embellished, e.g.,
- You said, Dr. Idris has never practiced; he did - he worked at the London's reknowned Moorfield Eye Hospital (personal expereince and knowledge)
- You wrote Dr. Idris was sentenced to one year jail for killing a British couple in car accident allegedly under influence of over dose of liqour; (influence of medication, not liquor)
- You asserted he was bailed out by Agakhan; (no, by good character evidence of British lords and peers)
- he is a murderer; killer- as a result of of an accident, yes, but to be a murderer, there has to be an intent to murder.
Our personal knowledge and experience comes from knowing Dr. Idris personally during the early sixties.
2. At least now you know the difference between the words a "Heading" and a "Warning"
1. The fact that the episode is "old" does not mean that facts now have to be misleading or can be embellished, e.g.,
- You said, Dr. Idris has never practiced; he did - he worked at the London's reknowned Moorfield Eye Hospital (personal expereince and knowledge)
- You wrote Dr. Idris was sentenced to one year jail for killing a British couple in car accident allegedly under influence of over dose of liqour; (influence of medication, not liquor)
- You asserted he was bailed out by Agakhan; (no, by good character evidence of British lords and peers)
- he is a murderer; killer- as a result of of an accident, yes, but to be a murderer, there has to be an intent to murder.
Our personal knowledge and experience comes from knowing Dr. Idris personally during the early sixties.
2. At least now you know the difference between the words a "Heading" and a "Warning"
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Imam Hasan sought peace with Muawaiya, but surely his (Imam Hasan's) "sitting down" didn't do much good
Humsafar, In your quest to slander the Syedna, you go all the way upto Imam Hasan and slander him. There is no Shia alive today who believes that Imam Hasan's peace treaty was wrong and the Imam should not have done this.
Scholars mention that Imam Hasan's peace was required for the spreading of 'ilm'. Whereas the new Khalifa's were bent on conquering new lands, the message of Islam was being lost. Imam Hasan found time in Madina to spread this 'ilm'
Where is the dignity in "sitting down" in the face of oppression.
Look at our history man. Imam Hasan agreed to peace, whereas Imam Husain fought. Imam Zainal Abedin was chained and jailed. Imam Bakir and Imam Jafar-us-Sadiq stayed in Madina and did not rise against the oppressive Ummayyads and Abbasids. Even though there was a popular revolt brewing to oust the Umayyads, Imam Jaffar-us-Sadiq kept away from it. Would you accuse Imam Jaffar of going against the basic tenets of our religion: to fight the oppressor, to fight for justice.
Syedna Dawood bin Qutubshah hid from the oppressive Sunni regime and his son, Syedna Qutbuddin Shaheed went gallantly to the executioner. Would you excuse Syedna Dawood bin Qutubshah of cowardice.
Humsafar, In your quest to slander the Syedna, you go all the way upto Imam Hasan and slander him. There is no Shia alive today who believes that Imam Hasan's peace treaty was wrong and the Imam should not have done this.
Scholars mention that Imam Hasan's peace was required for the spreading of 'ilm'. Whereas the new Khalifa's were bent on conquering new lands, the message of Islam was being lost. Imam Hasan found time in Madina to spread this 'ilm'
Where is the dignity in "sitting down" in the face of oppression.
Look at our history man. Imam Hasan agreed to peace, whereas Imam Husain fought. Imam Zainal Abedin was chained and jailed. Imam Bakir and Imam Jafar-us-Sadiq stayed in Madina and did not rise against the oppressive Ummayyads and Abbasids. Even though there was a popular revolt brewing to oust the Umayyads, Imam Jaffar-us-Sadiq kept away from it. Would you accuse Imam Jaffar of going against the basic tenets of our religion: to fight the oppressor, to fight for justice.
Syedna Dawood bin Qutubshah hid from the oppressive Sunni regime and his son, Syedna Qutbuddin Shaheed went gallantly to the executioner. Would you excuse Syedna Dawood bin Qutubshah of cowardice.
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I don't even have to try to slander Sayedna Saheb. He and his advisors do that job quite well themselves. Thank you.
Don't attribute to me something I did not say. I never said Imam Hasan's peace treaty was wrong. I said it did not do any good because ultimately Imam Hussain had to face-off Yazid in Kerbala.
The examples of Jafar-us-Sadiq and Qutbuddin Shaheed you quote can be understood and explained in the context of their specific histories. The question for us is, what was the compulsion and urgency of meeting with Modi? Why should Sayedna Saheb go out of his way to get cozy with a thug and also donate him a huge sum of money?
Why? That is the question.
Don't attribute to me something I did not say. I never said Imam Hasan's peace treaty was wrong. I said it did not do any good because ultimately Imam Hussain had to face-off Yazid in Kerbala.
The examples of Jafar-us-Sadiq and Qutbuddin Shaheed you quote can be understood and explained in the context of their specific histories. The question for us is, what was the compulsion and urgency of meeting with Modi? Why should Sayedna Saheb go out of his way to get cozy with a thug and also donate him a huge sum of money?
Why? That is the question.
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Br Simon: Stay on the track & answer Br Humsafar"s big question- WHY??????????????
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I apologise about the statements made by me on Syedna Taher Saifuddin- I merely Quoted from the booklet" A short history of Fatemi Dawat" written by person no other than the close relative of Syedna -Ahmed Luqmani--Br Simon - Can you tell one of the person walking along is not a shazada? Is anything done in the community without the permission of Syedna or his Shahzada? so what is the point of your foolish question? And whether it happened in what city & when -does that matter that much or you are trying to evade the basic issue?
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Dear Simon! Why are beating about the bush. hen Sayedna Saheb himself invites Modi, gives him warm welcome and bless him physically and financially, what is point in asking modi with Shahzada or before election or after election?
Please realise that for his vested interests Sayedna Saheb is playing a very dangerous game which needs to be condamn strongly rather than defending him.
Please realise that for his vested interests Sayedna Saheb is playing a very dangerous game which needs to be condamn strongly rather than defending him.
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Dear Simon, the so called 'kal-masoom' Burhanddin Saheb has made blunders by illegally transfering Shs. 65,000 and getting expulsion order from the Tanzanian Government in 1968, by attacking and dishounoring his devoted women of Udaipur right in front of his own eyes in 1973, thus making Udaipur 'Madina' for reformists, which used to be his Madina earlier, by cursin Khalifas and creating a permanent devide between Sunni Muslims and Dawoodi Bohras in 1988, by declaring during recent Gujarat carnage that 'Dawoodi Bohras are neither Hindus nor Muslims, They are Bohras, followers of Sayedna. (which means Dawoodi Bohras are not followers of Islam but followers of a mortal human being). List of his blinders is very long, agitation against BMC thus making thousands of Munineen jobless, sudden warth of Baraat after Udaipur mass-revolt, tightening control through introduction of Card system, dress code, creating controvercy in his own family by disregarding rutba of Mazoon and only gloriying himself, proporating violence against dissidents and fabricating stories and so on). Human dignity and human rights of Bohras are violeted in open. The arrogance of Kothar due to illgotten money power is becoming a curse for the community. A very good interprising, progressive and honest community is being ruined systematically.
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Salaam,
I would like to know why such treatment towards Quresh Bhaisaheb.What was the Orignal Sin that made him and his brother an outcast.And could Mr Insaf please provide more details of the Jewish wife of their father Is she still alive? where is her family from and her orignal and new names.This is because I know of various of my family members who have married outside the community and have been ocstracised.But our previous Mukasir,having a Jewish wife,well this is really something.
I would like to know why such treatment towards Quresh Bhaisaheb.What was the Orignal Sin that made him and his brother an outcast.And could Mr Insaf please provide more details of the Jewish wife of their father Is she still alive? where is her family from and her orignal and new names.This is because I know of various of my family members who have married outside the community and have been ocstracised.But our previous Mukasir,having a Jewish wife,well this is really something.
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Why is so much discussion & anxiety about Quresh Bhai saheb suddenly? Had he done any noble deeds for the community ? Did he contribute in any way for the common Bohras? May his soul rest in peace!
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Dear Bohraji,
I would like to know why such treatment towards Quresh Bhaisaheb. What was the Original Sin that made him and his brother an outcast?
- Though I am not a witness to any such incident but during late Mukasir Saheb’s regime I had heard many Bohras cursing Quresh bhai Saheb for his high-handedness. His name came in public because of some unholy dealings with Abdur-Rahman Antuley during construction of Marol Colony in Bombay for poor Bohras. People hated his brother Hashim bhai Saheb too, due to his activities at Barroom in Radio Club, Bombay.
And could Mr. Insaf please provide more details of the Jewish wife of their father Is she still alive?
- Jewish was staying at Colaba in Bombay. As far as I know she was never brought to Badri or Saifee Mahal. Her whereabouts after Saleh Bhaisaheb’s death is not known.
Where is her family from and her original and new names. This is because I know of several of my family members who have married outside the community and have been ocstracised. But our previous Mukasir, having a Jewish wife, well this is really something.
-That Saleh Bhaisaheb had a Yahudi wife was known to everyone. In 1963 I had seen her in a Cemina hall private show with Saleh Bhaisaheb. Late Gujrati poet Abdul Husain Mareez was with me. He pointed out to me. She was beautiful, like Nadera of Hindi movies and moderately dressed in Shalwar Kameez.
(Mareez was working with Salehbhai Saheb editing a short term Gujarati weekly ‘INSAF’ published by Kothar to do propaganda against reformists. But soon it died down and so were Saleh bhai Saheb and Mareez.)
I would like to know why such treatment towards Quresh Bhaisaheb. What was the Original Sin that made him and his brother an outcast?
- Though I am not a witness to any such incident but during late Mukasir Saheb’s regime I had heard many Bohras cursing Quresh bhai Saheb for his high-handedness. His name came in public because of some unholy dealings with Abdur-Rahman Antuley during construction of Marol Colony in Bombay for poor Bohras. People hated his brother Hashim bhai Saheb too, due to his activities at Barroom in Radio Club, Bombay.
And could Mr. Insaf please provide more details of the Jewish wife of their father Is she still alive?
- Jewish was staying at Colaba in Bombay. As far as I know she was never brought to Badri or Saifee Mahal. Her whereabouts after Saleh Bhaisaheb’s death is not known.
Where is her family from and her original and new names. This is because I know of several of my family members who have married outside the community and have been ocstracised. But our previous Mukasir, having a Jewish wife, well this is really something.
-That Saleh Bhaisaheb had a Yahudi wife was known to everyone. In 1963 I had seen her in a Cemina hall private show with Saleh Bhaisaheb. Late Gujrati poet Abdul Husain Mareez was with me. He pointed out to me. She was beautiful, like Nadera of Hindi movies and moderately dressed in Shalwar Kameez.
(Mareez was working with Salehbhai Saheb editing a short term Gujarati weekly ‘INSAF’ published by Kothar to do propaganda against reformists. But soon it died down and so were Saleh bhai Saheb and Mareez.)