Zakaat Money
Zakaat Money
Now is the time for every bohra individual to Give Zakaat money to Earthquack Fund. When we go to pay wajebat, silo fitro, zakaat etc, coward bohra should openly say to Amil Saheb that he or she will give zakaat money to Relief Fund in Pakistan. None of the bohras I know ask for the statement of account. Thousand of dollars are collected in Toronto alone but none has asked the Jammat for the statement or staement of Account is shown on internet. Why cant Jamaat even pay for the incomplete work in the mosque. It is pathatic to see this when we give so much SABIL
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You are right about zakat, everything that is collected in the name of religion, ends up in the coffins of maula's family and amil's, but in my opinion we ourselves are responsible for this to happen to us, because nobody asks simple questions, where is the audited reports, the audits are done by hiring persons of non integrity, and just to show the government. this is the time we should be asking question, if we start asking question.
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the very thought that questions come about for accounting for your hard earned mooney, either as paying in to zakat or for any other charitable purpose, brings the question; infact gives a definable answer to:
The receivers are deceivers; therefore besides taking care of financial obligations of the community, they are in no way leaders of any community, least of al, a religious one.
so no point in their pronouncements that come often.
mostly all politics is not sound; infact rotten. But the worst is when it is Religious politics; for they take away some (or all) money which is anyway not important, but your vote, hope, beliefs and everything else that life has bestowed with human beings.
The receivers are deceivers; therefore besides taking care of financial obligations of the community, they are in no way leaders of any community, least of al, a religious one.
so no point in their pronouncements that come often.
mostly all politics is not sound; infact rotten. But the worst is when it is Religious politics; for they take away some (or all) money which is anyway not important, but your vote, hope, beliefs and everything else that life has bestowed with human beings.
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An open questionnaire sent to the Aamil of Calcutta, Kausar Ali Khamusi on 15 April 1997 makes an interesting reading:
1. Is Zakat / Wajebat a Voluntary or Obligatory Injunction of the Holy Qura’n?
2. If it is voluntary can a momin be forced to pay Zakat as per your dictate of Kothar? Yes/No.
3. If obligatory then do you admit that you are distorting the purpose and essence of the Quran? Yes/No.
4. Does the Dawat-E-Hadiya follow the teachings of the Quran and disburse the collection of Zakat/Wajebat to the prescribed eight deserving categories?
5. Can you cite a few instances of the Zakat / Wajebat money ever spent on the welfare of the poor, needy, widows, orphans or homeless of your community, in Calcutta?
6. Can you spell out the authority by which you committed to Syedna at Surat last month that you would collect more than twice the total Wajebat amount collected last year?
7. Are you aware that the Bohras doing business & trade in Calcutta are facing acute economic hardship due to setback in business, excessive competition and enormous shortage of finance? Yes/No.
8. Is it true that you are draining away all the liquidity of the Bohra traders, year after year in the name of Wajebat leaving them with virtually no capital for their day-to-day business? Yes/No.
9. Is it true that many Bohra have offered to pay Zakat by cheque but you have refused to accept this on the plea that all the money goes in the number two account maintained by you and Shaikh A. H. Mogul with American Express Bank. Hong Kong Bank & Grindlays Bank? Yes/No.
10. Since it is widely believed in the community that not a penny is spent on common welfare, and then the question is where does this money go? Into your pocket Jamaat’s coffers / Kothar’s coffer or for the opulent life-style of the priestly family?
11. Do you know the Director General of Finance & Revenue places the Dawoodi Bohra Priesthood high in its list of economic offenders? Yes/No.
12. Do you submit annual return under the Income Tax Laws, Registered Societies Act and as required under Religious Trusts Act? Yes/No.
13. If you have nothing to hide then would you agree to the intervention of the vigilance wing of the appropriate Government authorities to examin your modus operandi during Wajebat collections? Yes/No.
14. Is it true that you threaten heckle and then abuse Bohras who plead their inability to pay the astronomical figures that you demand? Yes/No.
15. The Sila Fitra forms made mandatory for submission to you attempt to elicit minute financial details of every Bohra in Calcutta so that you can extort Wajebat accordingly? Such details have nothing to do with Sila and Fitra. Yes/No.
1. Is Zakat / Wajebat a Voluntary or Obligatory Injunction of the Holy Qura’n?
2. If it is voluntary can a momin be forced to pay Zakat as per your dictate of Kothar? Yes/No.
3. If obligatory then do you admit that you are distorting the purpose and essence of the Quran? Yes/No.
4. Does the Dawat-E-Hadiya follow the teachings of the Quran and disburse the collection of Zakat/Wajebat to the prescribed eight deserving categories?
5. Can you cite a few instances of the Zakat / Wajebat money ever spent on the welfare of the poor, needy, widows, orphans or homeless of your community, in Calcutta?
6. Can you spell out the authority by which you committed to Syedna at Surat last month that you would collect more than twice the total Wajebat amount collected last year?
7. Are you aware that the Bohras doing business & trade in Calcutta are facing acute economic hardship due to setback in business, excessive competition and enormous shortage of finance? Yes/No.
8. Is it true that you are draining away all the liquidity of the Bohra traders, year after year in the name of Wajebat leaving them with virtually no capital for their day-to-day business? Yes/No.
9. Is it true that many Bohra have offered to pay Zakat by cheque but you have refused to accept this on the plea that all the money goes in the number two account maintained by you and Shaikh A. H. Mogul with American Express Bank. Hong Kong Bank & Grindlays Bank? Yes/No.
10. Since it is widely believed in the community that not a penny is spent on common welfare, and then the question is where does this money go? Into your pocket Jamaat’s coffers / Kothar’s coffer or for the opulent life-style of the priestly family?
11. Do you know the Director General of Finance & Revenue places the Dawoodi Bohra Priesthood high in its list of economic offenders? Yes/No.
12. Do you submit annual return under the Income Tax Laws, Registered Societies Act and as required under Religious Trusts Act? Yes/No.
13. If you have nothing to hide then would you agree to the intervention of the vigilance wing of the appropriate Government authorities to examin your modus operandi during Wajebat collections? Yes/No.
14. Is it true that you threaten heckle and then abuse Bohras who plead their inability to pay the astronomical figures that you demand? Yes/No.
15. The Sila Fitra forms made mandatory for submission to you attempt to elicit minute financial details of every Bohra in Calcutta so that you can extort Wajebat accordingly? Such details have nothing to do with Sila and Fitra. Yes/No.
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In fact insaf should pose these questions to all amils throughout the world, and what i suggest is that this should be brought into the notice of ordinary bohras, these are really genuine questions, but the opposition is leaderless, and no one including me wants to stand up agaist all these injustices, because of obvious reasons, all educated and sane people of our community has a duty to atleast not give in, i did ask some question, but lone questioner will not make a difference, when millions of dollars are embezzled in united states by some one, and no questions asked.
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An example of instant award!
I think Kothar should convert the Saifee hospital in to the Business school and start teaching How to sell without giving any goods and make huge profit.
Mulla Murtaza Partapurwala has not mentioned in his mail how much zakat he has paid and what profit he has made? How ever it is an interesting mail posted by malumat com or DB net.
Read the mail
I wanted to share my personal experience with other mumineen.
More than 10 years ago, my father left the business in the care of us two
brothers during Shehrullah. That meant that I was to go and pay wajebat for
us (my first time). My father's instructions were to pay wajebaat as per the
farman and to ensure that the shop closes before maghrib.
I went to the wajebaat bethak and in accordance to my fathers instructions
and the tawfeeq of Allah, I upheld the farman and paid my dues.
In the next few days we had a couple of customers(non-Muslims) who came to
our shop and came with a long list of items- pipe fittings for an entire new
railway station- a huge order. He came to the shop 20 minutes before we
were supposed to close for magrib. Since the list was long we were able to
give him rates for only half the items and then told him to come the next
day. In the evening, my brother and I were regretting that we let the
customer go but we consoled ourselves that he would not have bought from us
anyway because we did not stock most of the items.
The next day, the customer again came back and placed the entire order with
us !! We were pleasantly surprised because that was the single largest order
ever for our business.
Another 'nemat' was when the customer told us why he placed the order on us.
He mentioned that when he went to our market, all the traders offered them
softdrinks and did a lot of 'khaatir'. Ours was the only shop that asked
them to leave because of prayer time. He said that they discussed it amongst
themselves and found that even though we did not have the best rates but the
fact that we placed our faith and religion over our business prompted them
to trust us with this very big order.
It was an important growing up lesson for us - the barakaat of Wajebaat
May Allah give our Aqa Moula Dr. Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb(T.U.S) a
long life ta roze Qayamat (Aameen).
Was-salaam,
Mulla Murtaza Partapurwala
I think Kothar should convert the Saifee hospital in to the Business school and start teaching How to sell without giving any goods and make huge profit.
Mulla Murtaza Partapurwala has not mentioned in his mail how much zakat he has paid and what profit he has made? How ever it is an interesting mail posted by malumat com or DB net.
Read the mail
I wanted to share my personal experience with other mumineen.
More than 10 years ago, my father left the business in the care of us two
brothers during Shehrullah. That meant that I was to go and pay wajebat for
us (my first time). My father's instructions were to pay wajebaat as per the
farman and to ensure that the shop closes before maghrib.
I went to the wajebaat bethak and in accordance to my fathers instructions
and the tawfeeq of Allah, I upheld the farman and paid my dues.
In the next few days we had a couple of customers(non-Muslims) who came to
our shop and came with a long list of items- pipe fittings for an entire new
railway station- a huge order. He came to the shop 20 minutes before we
were supposed to close for magrib. Since the list was long we were able to
give him rates for only half the items and then told him to come the next
day. In the evening, my brother and I were regretting that we let the
customer go but we consoled ourselves that he would not have bought from us
anyway because we did not stock most of the items.
The next day, the customer again came back and placed the entire order with
us !! We were pleasantly surprised because that was the single largest order
ever for our business.
Another 'nemat' was when the customer told us why he placed the order on us.
He mentioned that when he went to our market, all the traders offered them
softdrinks and did a lot of 'khaatir'. Ours was the only shop that asked
them to leave because of prayer time. He said that they discussed it amongst
themselves and found that even though we did not have the best rates but the
fact that we placed our faith and religion over our business prompted them
to trust us with this very big order.
It was an important growing up lesson for us - the barakaat of Wajebaat
May Allah give our Aqa Moula Dr. Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb(T.U.S) a
long life ta roze Qayamat (Aameen).
Was-salaam,
Mulla Murtaza Partapurwala
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This is just another clever PR. There is a plethora of creative maujiza and barakat stories doing the rounds of gullible bohri ears (Ever wonder why these stories surface mostly during ramadan or muharram?). This Mulla Murtaza fellow neither have such a business nor such an incident ever happened. He is just another well trained short story writer from the Surat madrassa and now working in the PR department of kothar.
I had an interesting experience with similar con artists some years back at the dargah of Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti in Ajmer. There is a giant pot in the premises of the dargah where people usually offer money and other belongings. When I climbed up to have a view of the pot, 2 guys sitting on the pot wall dropped Rs.50 and Rs.100 notes one after the other. This prompted some other visitors to drop some money. They must have thought that there has to be some barakat in offering the money thats why the two poor looking guys are offering such a big amount. I climbed down and kept an eye on the top of the pot from some distance. After some time, another group of visitors climbed to look in the pot and the same two guys again dropped the money inside!!
The kothar barakat stories work on a similar principle.
I had an interesting experience with similar con artists some years back at the dargah of Khwaja Moinuddin Chishti in Ajmer. There is a giant pot in the premises of the dargah where people usually offer money and other belongings. When I climbed up to have a view of the pot, 2 guys sitting on the pot wall dropped Rs.50 and Rs.100 notes one after the other. This prompted some other visitors to drop some money. They must have thought that there has to be some barakat in offering the money thats why the two poor looking guys are offering such a big amount. I climbed down and kept an eye on the top of the pot from some distance. After some time, another group of visitors climbed to look in the pot and the same two guys again dropped the money inside!!
The kothar barakat stories work on a similar principle.
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Mulla Murtaza will be ready with another exciting story by next ramadan when he will post it under a different name on th DB site.
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Dear Tahir: Your point that the above story is fabricated may be correct. However it truth or the falsity is, in certain senses, irrelevant. Assume it was true. Even then it does not say much as there may have been many occasions on which religious attitudes of such persons may have harmed them, say resulted in lost business. The "irrationality filter" which all such fanatics apply to the world around them makes them ignore the failures of their demi-gods. If they did not use such biased sampling to test the efficacy of their favorite saint to deliver then they would discover that their good fortune was just due to luck, or was completely random or due to their own hard work. Fanatics seem reluctant to take responsibility for their own lives: they always need a god to thank or a devil to blame.
Anyway, the gods must really hate goats: there seems to be rush of bohra's to sacrifice as many of these poor creatures as possible so that the da'i lives a longer life. In North America (at least in California) 52 dollars is being requested from everyone so that goat-sacrifices can be made in Karbala. The sayedna, although one wishes him well, being human will die, just as 51 of his predecessor did. No amount of goat-murders will prevent his death. One should ask these religious fools if they really think killing thousands of these innocent creatures for no appropriate reason will really prolong his life. What kind of a mad deity gives life in exchange for life? Or maybe this is just one more ploy to make a quick buck: I am sure no one keeps count of the money collected or the number of goats murdered.
Anyway, the gods must really hate goats: there seems to be rush of bohra's to sacrifice as many of these poor creatures as possible so that the da'i lives a longer life. In North America (at least in California) 52 dollars is being requested from everyone so that goat-sacrifices can be made in Karbala. The sayedna, although one wishes him well, being human will die, just as 51 of his predecessor did. No amount of goat-murders will prevent his death. One should ask these religious fools if they really think killing thousands of these innocent creatures for no appropriate reason will really prolong his life. What kind of a mad deity gives life in exchange for life? Or maybe this is just one more ploy to make a quick buck: I am sure no one keeps count of the money collected or the number of goats murdered.
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Accountability,
you are right in that one lone cruisader asking questions will not get too far. However as educated masses of today's generation we can make an attempt to band together and think how to ask these questions collectively. just like you and me there are lots of others all over the US and sometimes even in our own cities that we dont know of or we are hesitant to reveal our identity (myself included) for obvious reasons. But at the same time if we just sit here and all we can do is exchange msgs all day as a group we are empowering them.
The problem is most of us no matter how fed up we are believe their is no other choice but to be part of the community. There are bohri families in the US at least that I know of that are not part of the masjid and go about their lives and do things such as Haj, Kazi nikah for their kids, moharram, ashura etc. If we can enough people to share such info and spread the word - thats how we can provide people with an alternative way to be part of religion and a community without duress and undue pressure.
I would like to hear thoughts and comments from others regarding these issues. If anyone would like to contact me directly or privately please feel free to write to me at bohracplinhouston@yahoo.com
you are right in that one lone cruisader asking questions will not get too far. However as educated masses of today's generation we can make an attempt to band together and think how to ask these questions collectively. just like you and me there are lots of others all over the US and sometimes even in our own cities that we dont know of or we are hesitant to reveal our identity (myself included) for obvious reasons. But at the same time if we just sit here and all we can do is exchange msgs all day as a group we are empowering them.
The problem is most of us no matter how fed up we are believe their is no other choice but to be part of the community. There are bohri families in the US at least that I know of that are not part of the masjid and go about their lives and do things such as Haj, Kazi nikah for their kids, moharram, ashura etc. If we can enough people to share such info and spread the word - thats how we can provide people with an alternative way to be part of religion and a community without duress and undue pressure.
I would like to hear thoughts and comments from others regarding these issues. If anyone would like to contact me directly or privately please feel free to write to me at bohracplinhouston@yahoo.com