This question is for Muslim First and other like minded Wahabis on this board.
Is there a Hadith that would explain the paltry $10 million donation from the Saudis and Kuwaitis ? These guys spend more in a month just to support terrorism (not to mention the brothels in Thailand) and there are Muslims that died here. I am assuming you guys have a Hadith somewhere that justifies this embarrassing phenomenon.
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I think the amount of money donated by Saudi Arabia is a matter of shame.
What more proof do we need that Saudi Arabia which offered $10 million for 9/11 as well as the Tsunami relief is America's puppet and has nothing to do with Muslims or Islam. They should be condemned for being in bed with Bush and having forsaken Muslims and their cause.
Maybe Bush should invade Saudi Arabia and establish an Iraq like democracy over there.
What more proof do we need that Saudi Arabia which offered $10 million for 9/11 as well as the Tsunami relief is America's puppet and has nothing to do with Muslims or Islam. They should be condemned for being in bed with Bush and having forsaken Muslims and their cause.
Maybe Bush should invade Saudi Arabia and establish an Iraq like democracy over there.
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Kuwaitis have been American poodles for a long time. So muslims should not expect anything from them either.
Maybe Bush should invade Kuwait and establish an Iraq like democracy over there.
Maybe Bush should invade Kuwait and establish an Iraq like democracy over there.
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whoever claim saudi arabia as islamic country should question their faith (wahabis or whoever it is).
they serve more american and western powers than their own people.they are part of them and friends of them.
- some years back (i think it was in 1995)when british economy was in a bad shapen brunei sultan pumped $11 billion dollars to UK economy to come out of recession. how much has he contributed to his own neighbours in indonesia.
-prince waleed of saudi arabia offered $10 million to 9/11 victims althogh 9/11 WTC attack done by israeli with american government's cooperation refer www.whatreallyhappened.com
and http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/ ... i?11601TFS
- when london zoo was in a bad shape kuwait pumped millions of dollars.probably to serve their own brothers and sister animal.Any way kuwait has pledged $10 million for tsnami victims we appreciate.
- some years back one of the saudi prince lost
$1 BILLION IN casino in one night in the west.
there are many. so if wahabi's or whoever justify should their iman seriously.
there are many.
but this doen't mean sydna is angel.
they serve more american and western powers than their own people.they are part of them and friends of them.
- some years back (i think it was in 1995)when british economy was in a bad shapen brunei sultan pumped $11 billion dollars to UK economy to come out of recession. how much has he contributed to his own neighbours in indonesia.
-prince waleed of saudi arabia offered $10 million to 9/11 victims althogh 9/11 WTC attack done by israeli with american government's cooperation refer www.whatreallyhappened.com
and http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/ ... i?11601TFS
- when london zoo was in a bad shape kuwait pumped millions of dollars.probably to serve their own brothers and sister animal.Any way kuwait has pledged $10 million for tsnami victims we appreciate.
- some years back one of the saudi prince lost
$1 BILLION IN casino in one night in the west.
there are many. so if wahabi's or whoever justify should their iman seriously.
there are many.
but this doen't mean sydna is angel.
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I have one for you. America Conspired with Allah to have a Tsunami or America threw a bomb and Tsunami happened afterall America is behind everything bad that happens in this world. I am surprised nobody thought about these possibilities.
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Generous in offer, stingy in payment
Though sometimes disaster aid is bogged down in administrative red tape of the donor country, more often than not, a bulk of this aid is tied to the recipient achieving certain milestones. Other than the immediate relief effort the balance is pledged for infrastructure rebuilding and the rampant corruption in the 3rd world countries prevents them from receiving the balance. For example, if $450 million is pledged to rebuild a bridge but after the initial $40 million the recipient fails to show anything but architectural renderings, the balance will rarely be paid.
It is a common practice for the aid money to be used to line the pockets of corrupt leaders, and Arafat was a prime example. Specifically, I remember the US aid to Palestine was resumed after the brief illusion of power transfer to Abu Mazen from Arafat that never happened. Obviously, the US was not going to allow for aid money to be used to support Arafat's wife in Paris.
Additionally, I am assuming that the US Army, Marines, Aircraft carriers involved in the relief effort is part of the pledged amount. Since that costs several million dollar per day, it is not separate from the amount pledged (my guess).
What is ultimately important is that the US, Japan, Sweden and a few others. have stepped up to save lives. Qatar, UAE, Kuwait & Saudis have pledged a combined total of about $25 million. Incidentally, I am not the only one taking note as the media picked up on it today….
Though sometimes disaster aid is bogged down in administrative red tape of the donor country, more often than not, a bulk of this aid is tied to the recipient achieving certain milestones. Other than the immediate relief effort the balance is pledged for infrastructure rebuilding and the rampant corruption in the 3rd world countries prevents them from receiving the balance. For example, if $450 million is pledged to rebuild a bridge but after the initial $40 million the recipient fails to show anything but architectural renderings, the balance will rarely be paid.
It is a common practice for the aid money to be used to line the pockets of corrupt leaders, and Arafat was a prime example. Specifically, I remember the US aid to Palestine was resumed after the brief illusion of power transfer to Abu Mazen from Arafat that never happened. Obviously, the US was not going to allow for aid money to be used to support Arafat's wife in Paris.
Additionally, I am assuming that the US Army, Marines, Aircraft carriers involved in the relief effort is part of the pledged amount. Since that costs several million dollar per day, it is not separate from the amount pledged (my guess).
What is ultimately important is that the US, Japan, Sweden and a few others. have stepped up to save lives. Qatar, UAE, Kuwait & Saudis have pledged a combined total of about $25 million. Incidentally, I am not the only one taking note as the media picked up on it today….
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Did the US ever say that it was not giving the aid money because it didn't want to support Arafat's wife? Can you post something to that effect?
As far as the $450 million bridge is concerned, again can you post an article to that effect, where it says that the pledged amount was not delivered because of the following reasons?
In the article link that I have posted, it says "There are many instances of countries failing to meet their pledge of aid."
Everything you say is just your assumption, until you can post something more concrete.
Iraq has also been cited as an example, who is in charge of the reconstruction effort in Iraq?
As far as the $450 million bridge is concerned, again can you post an article to that effect, where it says that the pledged amount was not delivered because of the following reasons?
In the article link that I have posted, it says "There are many instances of countries failing to meet their pledge of aid."
Everything you say is just your assumption, until you can post something more concrete.
Iraq has also been cited as an example, who is in charge of the reconstruction effort in Iraq?
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As far as Qatar, UAE, Kuwait and Saudi is concerned, they are all dictatorships that are robbing the people of their own countries with the help of certain other countries that help to keep the dictators in power. They need to be kicked out of power and democracies should be installed over there.
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Can you please post the name of the author of that article and his credentials and qualifications to write that article ? For example, he / she is naïve enough to consider the funds for “security and job creation” as being a “diversion” from reconstruction when security and job creation are one of the integral parts and key ingredients for a sustainable reconstruction !
I do not believe in posting news articles just to support my point of view. If you care to learn, you can search and I am sure you will find plenty.
I do not believe in posting news articles just to support my point of view. If you care to learn, you can search and I am sure you will find plenty.
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You do not believe in posting news articles to support your view, and I do not believe people who do not believe in posting news articles to support their views.
I trust the guy who wrote that news article more than I trust you.
for eg, as far as the "diversion" of the funds is concerned according to this article Bush wants to shift $3.3 billion to strengthen Iraq security the bush administration seeked congressional approval for "diverting" money marked for reconstruction.
I believe in supporting my views in whichever way possible, however "If you care to learn, you can search and I am sure you will find plenty."
I trust the guy who wrote that news article more than I trust you.
for eg, as far as the "diversion" of the funds is concerned according to this article Bush wants to shift $3.3 billion to strengthen Iraq security the bush administration seeked congressional approval for "diverting" money marked for reconstruction.
I believe in supporting my views in whichever way possible, however "If you care to learn, you can search and I am sure you will find plenty."
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Please name the guy who wrote the article....I trust the guy who wrote that news article
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Well, his name is Sikandar-e-Azam.
But then again, I do know the name of the president of the USA, doesn't mean I trust him, and I do not know your name, doesn't mean I trust you either!!
And something else that I wanted to post....
As far as reconstruction of Iraq is concerned, can you name one new school that has been built by the Americans for the people of Iraq that wasn't destroyed by them?
Can you name one new hospital that has been built by the Americans for the people of Iraq that wasn't destroyed by them?
Can you name one new bridge that has been built by the Americans for the people of Iraq that wasn't destroyed by them?
Can you name one new road that has been built by the Americans for the people of Iraq that wasn't destroyed by them?
Now I know that you do not like to corroborate your views but I had to ask so that others may know how full of crap people are.
You are amongst the people who claimed that Saddam could destroy the world in 45 minutes, they didn't believe in corroborating their views either!!
But then again, I do know the name of the president of the USA, doesn't mean I trust him, and I do not know your name, doesn't mean I trust you either!!
And something else that I wanted to post....
As far as reconstruction of Iraq is concerned, can you name one new school that has been built by the Americans for the people of Iraq that wasn't destroyed by them?
Can you name one new hospital that has been built by the Americans for the people of Iraq that wasn't destroyed by them?
Can you name one new bridge that has been built by the Americans for the people of Iraq that wasn't destroyed by them?
Can you name one new road that has been built by the Americans for the people of Iraq that wasn't destroyed by them?
Now I know that you do not like to corroborate your views but I had to ask so that others may know how full of crap people are.
You are amongst the people who claimed that Saddam could destroy the world in 45 minutes, they didn't believe in corroborating their views either!!
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Inside Falluja: 'Nothing to come back to' Scenes of widespread destruction have greeted residents allowed back into the Iraqi city of Falluja following the US assault in November.
American reconstruction in Iraq at its best, however I do not know the name of the guy who wrote this article, does that mean that this article is a lie?
American reconstruction in Iraq at its best, however I do not know the name of the guy who wrote this article, does that mean that this article is a lie?
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This discussion is regarding the lack of Wahabi Support for Tsunami victims.
Just some advice....consider your sources and don't believe everything you read. Remember opinions are like A**holes, everybody has one.
Just some advice....consider your sources and don't believe everything you read. Remember opinions are like A**holes, everybody has one.
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Yeah, and that discussion was over after the third post!!
And I do consider my sources, at least I have them and I show them, say for eg, the BBC or The Times of India (which I do believe, as of now) - pretty reliable don't you think?? as against say CNN or FOX (which I do not believe) which told you saddam has 3 billion tonnes of nerve gas and could destroy the world in 45 minutes
So you see, I do not believe everything I read.
By the way this is the break up of the aid. I actually had a dream when I was sleeping at work today where I got this information from. Obviously news articles do not mean anything anymore.
The figures are in millions with private donations in parentheses where available.
African Union 0.10
Algeria 2.00
Australia 810
Austria 10.88 (13.60)
Bahrain 2.00
Belgium 16.32
Britain 96.00 (146.00)
Bulgaria 0.14
Canada 66.00
China 60.42
Cyprus 0.37
Czech Republic 0.668 (2.68)
Denmark 76.83
EU 31.29
Finland 6.12 (17.68)
France 66.38 (49.00)
Germany 680.20 (200.00)
Greece 1.34 (14.70)
Hungary 1.20
Ireland 13.62
Italy 95.00
Japan 500.00
Kuwait 10.00
Libya 2.00
Luxembourg 6.80
Netherlands 34.00
New Zealand 3.60
Norway 181.90
Poland 1.00 (1.30)
Portugal 10.88 (2.72)
Qatar 25.00
Saudi Arabia 30.00
Singapore 3.10
Slovakia 0.23
Slovenia 0.11
South Korea 50.00
Spain 68.02
Sweden 80.00
Switzerland 23.81 (39.24)
Taiwan 50.25
Turkey 1.25
UAE 20.00
USA 350.00
Venezuela 2.00
World Bank 250.00
And I do consider my sources, at least I have them and I show them, say for eg, the BBC or The Times of India (which I do believe, as of now) - pretty reliable don't you think?? as against say CNN or FOX (which I do not believe) which told you saddam has 3 billion tonnes of nerve gas and could destroy the world in 45 minutes
So you see, I do not believe everything I read.
By the way this is the break up of the aid. I actually had a dream when I was sleeping at work today where I got this information from. Obviously news articles do not mean anything anymore.
The figures are in millions with private donations in parentheses where available.
African Union 0.10
Algeria 2.00
Australia 810
Austria 10.88 (13.60)
Bahrain 2.00
Belgium 16.32
Britain 96.00 (146.00)
Bulgaria 0.14
Canada 66.00
China 60.42
Cyprus 0.37
Czech Republic 0.668 (2.68)
Denmark 76.83
EU 31.29
Finland 6.12 (17.68)
France 66.38 (49.00)
Germany 680.20 (200.00)
Greece 1.34 (14.70)
Hungary 1.20
Ireland 13.62
Italy 95.00
Japan 500.00
Kuwait 10.00
Libya 2.00
Luxembourg 6.80
Netherlands 34.00
New Zealand 3.60
Norway 181.90
Poland 1.00 (1.30)
Portugal 10.88 (2.72)
Qatar 25.00
Saudi Arabia 30.00
Singapore 3.10
Slovakia 0.23
Slovenia 0.11
South Korea 50.00
Spain 68.02
Sweden 80.00
Switzerland 23.81 (39.24)
Taiwan 50.25
Turkey 1.25
UAE 20.00
USA 350.00
Venezuela 2.00
World Bank 250.00
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Saudi telethon raises $77 million
A telethon for tsunami victims on Saudi state-run television has raised more than $77 million, and the Saudi-based Islamic Development Bank pledged an additional $500 million for affected countries.
And taking the American lead - "The telethon followed criticism that Saudi Arabia had not done enough to help in the tsunami relief efforts."
Like Master like Slave.
A telethon for tsunami victims on Saudi state-run television has raised more than $77 million, and the Saudi-based Islamic Development Bank pledged an additional $500 million for affected countries.
And taking the American lead - "The telethon followed criticism that Saudi Arabia had not done enough to help in the tsunami relief efforts."
Like Master like Slave.