Is there a correct path?

[Momin]

Aareef,

Think you and others alike are missing the whole point what we, Muslims of the Nizari Ismaili Shia tradition, are trying to explain to you.

From your conclusion below, you have picked and chose whatever you liked, and have mentioned it. This is the same things that MF, Akbarally Meherally, and others have done. Distorted and perverted the truth from reality. If you read thru our threads, we have addressed the issues and concerns you have raised, and actually there should not be any reason for us to discuss this any further. You and others are asking the same questions in different forms over and over for sake of argument, yet you guys have been answered.

Here's a challenge to you, since MF could not answer, and you claim to follow Sunnah, prove to me/us that if a Muslim follows the "5 Pillars in Islam", is the correct path.

Wish you luck!

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Now a generic conclusive note to all the Ismailies responding to this thread:

My understanding of Ismailism as part of Islam is as follows:

1) A person born as an Ismaili is a Muslim
2) He does not need to follow the 5 pillers of Islam the way all other muslims do
3) He can skip Ramzaan and pray salaat in an innovative Ismaili way completely different from other muslims.
4) Ismailies can freely mix up hindu gods with muslim god, Imams and prophet. They have complete knowledge and justification for the same.
5) There is no need of masjids and azaan before salaat...
6) Ismailies call themselves shias but do not follow all the five pillers the way other shias do
7) According to Ismailies this is the right way of following Islam and there is no scope for any doubt or argument

If I am missing something please add...

[Aarif]

Here's a challenge to you, since MF could not answer, and you claim to follow Sunnah, prove to me/us that if a Muslim follows the "5 Pillars in Islam", is the correct path.

Momin,

Please please please.. Read my posts in the other thread... Stop wasting your time by posting these repititive questions... I have clearly answered the requirements to be a good muslim in the other thread on Ismailism... I do not want to keep repeating the same again and again and again...

[Aarif]

you have picked and chose whatever you liked, and have mentioned it. This is the same things that MF, Akbarally Meherally, and others have done. Distorted and perverted the truth from reality.

I have concluded this based on the postings of Africawalla, Pardesi and company... If they are followers of Akbarally Meherally than you should argue with them...

[turbocanuck]

Ask a Sunni Mufti from Djakarta and he will have his own interpretation to follow the Sunnah, ask a Wahhabi fascist Mullah and he will have a different slant, and yet its being shoved down peoples's throat that " A good Muslim...this and that or whatever". there is one thing for sure what Aareef has proclaimed ......his way is of the Good Muslim. we should all start following that...gimme a break!!

[Aarif]

gimme a break!!

That is really a good idea. Why don't you take a break from this site so that others can continue with some meaningful discussions...

[turbocanuck]

one would say the correct path is........love, kindness, generosity, harmony and tolerance, but hey what do i know.....besides, ones who make a show-off of their piety incurs Allahs wrath as per the Holy Quran.... take note those who are hypocrites. they know in their hearts what they have done.......to judge other faiths by showing off how pious they are, which in reality is falsehood....

they made their oaths into a cloak and barred the Way of Allah, so they will have a humiliating punishment. (Surat al-Mujadala, 16)

... And they swear to falsehood and do so knowingly. (Surat al-Mujadala, 14)

"… Allah knows that they are lying." (Surat at-Tawba, 42) and "There is a sickness in their hearts and Allah has increased their sickness. They will have a painful punishment on account of their denial..." (Surat al-Baqara, 10)

So woe to those who do prayer, and are forgetful of their prayer, those who show off and deny help to others. (Surat al-Maun, 4-6)

"It is the believers who are successful: those who are humble in their prayer" (Surat al-Muminun, 1-2)

... When they get up to pray, they get up lazily, showing off to people, and only remembering Allah a very little. (Surat an-Nisa', 142)

… and are forgetful of their prayer, those who show off and deny help to others. (Surat al-Maun, 6-7)
They swear to you by Allah in order to please you, but it would be more fitting for them to please Allah and His Messenger if they are believers. (Surat at-Tawba, 62)

… and also for those who spend their wealth to show off to people, not having faith in Allah and the Last Day. Anyone who has made Satan his comrade, what an evil comrade he is! What harm would it have done them to have had faith in Allah and the Last Day and to have given of what Allah has provided for them? Allah knows everything about them. (Surat an-Nisa', 38-39)

Say: "Whether you give readily or reluctantly, it will not be accepted from you. You are people who are deviators." Nothing prevents what they give from being accepted from them but the fact that they have rejected Allah and His Messenger, and that they only come to prayer lethargically, and that they only give reluctantly. (Surat at-Tawba, 53-54)

You who believe! Do not nullify your charity by demands for gratitude or insulting words, like him who spends his wealth, showing off to people and not believing in Allah and the Last Day. His likeness is that of a smooth rock coated with soil, which, when heavy rain falls on it, is left stripped bare. They have no power over anything they have earned. Allah does not guide disbelieving people. The metaphor of those who spend their wealth, desiring the pleasure of Allah and firmness for themselves, is that of a garden on a hillside. When heavy rain falls on it, it doubles its produce; and if heavy rain does not fall, there is dew. Allah sees what you do. (Surat al-Baqara, 264-265)

Though hypocrites spend their wealth to impress others, what they spend is a pittance. What they spend is only of a small amount; they never adopt the habit peculiar to believers, as described in the verse, "Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their wealth in return for the Garden." (Surat at-Tawba, 111).

Among them there were some who made an agreement with Allah: "If He gives us of His bounty we will definitely give alms and be among the righteous." But when He does give them of His bounty they are tight-fisted with it and turn away. So He has punished them by putting hypocrisy in their hearts until the day they meet Him because they failed Allah in what they promised Him and because they lied. (Surat at-Tawba, 75-77)

Among them there are some who find fault with you concerning the alms. If they are given some of it, they are pleased but if they are not given any, they are angry. If only they had been pleased with what Allah and His Messenger had given them and had said, "Allah is enough for us. Allah will give us of His bounty as will His Messenger. It is to Allah that we make our plea." (Surat at-Tawba, 58-59

But if anyone opposes the Messenger after the guidance has become clear to him, and follows other than the path of the believers, We will hand him over to whatever he has turned to, and We will roast him in Hell. What an evil destination! (Surat an-Nisa', 115)

Do you not see those who were forbidden to confer together secretly returning to the very thing they were forbidden to do, and conferring together secretly in wrongdoing and enmity and disobedience to the Messenger? And when they come to you they greet you with words Allah has never used in greeting you, and say to themselves "Why does Allah not punish us for what we say?" Hell will be enough for them! They will roast in it. What an evil destination! (Surat al-Mujadala,

They try to conceal themselves from people, but they cannot conceal themselves from Allah. He is with them when they spend the night saying things which are not pleasing to Him. Allah encompasses everything they do. (Surat an-Nisa', 108)

O Messenger! Do not be grieved by those who rush headlong into disbelief among those who say "We have faith" with their tongues when their hearts contain no faith. And among them are those who listen to lies, listeners on behalf of other folk who come not onto you... (Surat al-Ma'ida, 41)

[IMMUSLIM]

Think you and others alike are missing the whole point what we, Muslims of the Nizari Ismaili Shia tradition, are trying to explain to you.

Brother Momin

I would like to understand your point, if you believe in gentlemens promise trust me I have got nothing to do whosoever you mentioned in post.
I do not understand one thing when you say something on this forum? Why it differs from what we read on your own websites and what all Ismailies say when we meet them, we talk to them, we do business with them.
One would obviously believe what one sees and what one reads. We are dealing with two problems here
1. Different ways of pracitising faith, where one debates
2. When we receive information from your end that does not confirms with what other Ismailies say and what we read on website.

Then when we asks questions Africalwala joins in with all the cursing and calling members names. If you think there is a confusion and you think it needs to be cleared lets talk with reference to Quran.

[IMMUSLIM]

Bro Momin

Deal with your own bros first and then we will talk

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by Aareef:

Why don't you take a break from this site so that others can continue with some meaningful discussions...

meaningful discussions? with whom you? same old ghisa pita questions..ad-nauseam. you have already proclaimed your way is the right way. story over!!

[Aarif]

you have already proclaimed your way is the right way. story over!!

Yes I would go with the way of prophet and Quran when it comes to folowing Islam. story over!!

[Aarif]

But if anyone opposes the Messenger after the guidance has become clear to him, and follows other than the path of the believers, We will hand him over to whatever he has turned to, and We will roast him in Hell. What an evil destination! (Surat an-Nisa', 115)

As I said pls read your own posts before posting.

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by Aareef:

But if anyone opposes the Messenger after the guidance has become clear to him, and follows other than the path of the believers, We will hand him over to whatever he has turned to, and We will roast him in Hell. What an evil destination! (Surat an-Nisa', 115)

As I said pls read your own posts before posting.

I AM following the Messenger's guidance.....sorry to break that to you in case YOU didnt read all your posts...where you have resorted to lying and creating fitnah...want a memory jog?

[Aarif]

I AM following the Messenger's guidance.....sorry to break that to you in case YOU didnt read all your posts...where you have resorted to lying and creating fitnah...want a memory jog?

You guys have a good sense of humor if not anything else...

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by Aareef:

I AM following the Messenger's guidance.....sorry to break that to you in case YOU didnt read all your posts...where you have resorted to lying and creating fitnah...want a memory jog?

You guys have a good sense of humor if not anything else...

Naah!! couldnt beat your frenzied Comedians!!
but seriously, one would need sense of humour dealing with you guys, like the other day one of your Mullahs equated 10 year old girls sexual capacities with those over 20 years old!! i guess that Mullah was a "good" muslim too......

[Aarif]

one would need sense of humour dealing with you guys, like the other day one of your Mullahs equated 10 year old girls sexual capacities with those over 20 years old!!

I personally feel sorry for those girls who are ill-treated. But an extremely good muslim like you takes it as a joke and substance of humor.. Keep it up..

i guess that Mullah was a "good" muslim too......

NOPE. Read my earlier posts in the thread on Ismailism... You will atleast get my answer from there...

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by Aareef:

one would need sense of humour dealing with you guys, like the other day one of your Mullahs equated 10 year old girls sexual capacities with those over 20 years old!!

I personally feel sorry for those girls who are ill-treated. But an extremely good muslim like you takes it as a joke and substance of humor.. Keep it up..

You are dreaming. read the article. this pedophile Mullah was making a fatwa to that effect. there was NO victim there...(another Fitnah attempt) so i was not making a joke out of a little girl.

i guess that Mullah was a "good" muslim too......

NOPE. Read my earlier posts in the thread on Ismailism... You will atleast get my answer from there...

The Mullah was a "good" Muslim as per your decree, he follows the Sunnah as you do, BTW admitting to being a Sunni shouldnt be shameful for you, because you have been thumping "Sunnah this Sunnah that" all along.

"keep it up"?? you say?? stay tuned for more stupid Mullahs and their even more dumber fatwas..

[Aarif]

The Mullah was a "good" Muslim as per your decree, he follows the Sunnah as you do, BTW admitting to being a Sunni shouldnt be shameful for you, because you have been thumping "Sunnah this Sunnah that" all along.

"keep it up"?? you say?? stay tuned for more stupid Mullahs and their even more dumber fatwas..

Turbo,

I did not want to say this but you are a complete waste of time... I am going to try and avoid you from now on... I am glad that other Ismailies on this forum are not like you... So goahead and post more BS. To each his own.

[turbocanuck]

Waste of time?? you're funny. you have spent over 3 hours to bully me into submission and failed miserably....go pick on those who are afraid of you. struck a nerve.eh?