Progressive Politicians

[truebohra]

Dear PB's,
I feel sorry for u. i dont think so u hv any other topic than bashing Sayyedna (TUS). I dont know wht pleasure u get from it. u dont know ur hurting the sentiments of lakhs of dawoodi bohras. u too r like politicians & like to turn any news about Sayyedna (TUS) in to a controversy. now the new thing is meeting of Jain muni & Sayyedna (TUS)& some of u like jinx r like frustrated child spewing venom & nonsense. Sayyedna (TUS) is a true leader. u cannot deny that community has progressed & flourished under his able leadership. today the community is closely knit. u r faith has been shaken ur not sure about ur identity & r going thru identity crisis, & this is ur problem. when u hv faith u dont ask question, today ur questioning Sayyedna (TUS) tommorrow u may question Prophet (PBUH) & Imamms & its teaching. I beieve in Allah & know he is almighty. We dont worship Sayyedna (TUS) as u PB's falsely claim. again i say open ur eyes look & with diffrent perspective. if u dont believ in teachings of Sayyedna (TUS) then at atleast dont say any wrong thing about him.
by degrading Sayyedna (TUS)ur showing ur status & ur mentality of hatred.

[ANTI-JINX]

very well said!
I have always stated if you cant do good of someone then atleast dont do bad for him!

Its high time people here realised that!

they always say that we are ignorant n we should open our eyes , then i have something for them :
ONE MANS MEAT IS ANOTHER MANS POISON

SILENCE IS GOLDEN

IGNORANCE IS BLISS!

[Danish]

Its a disgrace to the Quran and disobedience to GOD when people call themselves bohra, sunni, shia, and what not, rather than a Muslim. The only utlitmate religion acceptable and mentioned in the Quran is Islam, which means submission and those who submit to GOD Almighty are called Muslims (submitters). No 'Muslim sects' existed during the times of Muhammad, Ali, Hussain, etc. All divisions started and evolved one by one with the introduction of ahadiths (satanic innovations).

If it wasn't because of Muhammad, Ali, Hussain and many other true submitters who spoke to the idolworshipers, hypocrites and falisifiers, none of their clan/s would have become Muslims or Mumins in the first place.

One must speak when spoken to, towards the path of GOD as per the Quran and not denounce his/her silence to become dumb and stupid. One must not conceal the "truth" from falsehood.

Worshipping (puja) of Syedenas, Dais and Imaams and performing salaat for humans (specially the dead), calling upon syedena and the dead for help (shifa) such as Ya Ali, Ya Hussain, Ya Abbas, taking their names while praying to GOD, etc., are all shirk, bidda or idolworship which is unforgiveable, unless one repents and reverts back to the path of GOD and not the path of their leaders.

Prophet Muhammad conveyed the message of GOD (Quran and nothing else) to all his people including his own family members. All leaders who are well founded in Quranic knowledge must therefore deliver the same message to their own communities and as well as others wherever they may be in order to bond together as one Ummah and to call oneself as a True Muslim and nothing else. The more the divisions within a given religion, the more the disasters (hatred, jealously, wars, etc.) as can be seen clearly.

Sadly, the leaders have become "maha-rajas" for their own egoistic and selfish motives thereby forming their own little communities to gain power and wealth they so desire but only for a short while. The only belonging one takes with them when he/she parts this world, is his/her righteousness and nothing else. Its about time for most of us to start believing in GOD Alone and upholding only Quran Alone., before its too late.

Read, study and understand the Quran...again and again and again, constantly asking GOD for HIS guidance and notice how your life changes for the betterment of your own souls. Be patient.

GOD, there is no god but GOD. HE is Alone and HAS no partners. All praise be to HIM and be HE Glorified.

THERE IS NO HUMAN ON EARTH THAT CAN TEACH AND GUIDE YOU THE QURAN, EXCEPT GOD ALMIGHTY.

READ AND BE BLESSED AND GUIDED.

[ponga bhori]

Ask not "cannot deny that community has progressed & flourished under his able leadership"

But answer to How much he (syedna) has progressed and flourished on the community.

Fools wake up.

[Muslim First]

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Br. Danish

Is there any harm if you call Muhammad SAW instead of just Muhammad?

All Muslim (Submitters if you insist) adress Prophet of Islam as Muhammad Sal-lal Lahu Alayhi Wa Sal-Lam (Peace and Blessing of Allah Upon Him).

Also,I t would be nice of you if you will be kind enough to add Radi Allahu Anhu/Anha (May Allah be please with him/her) behand Sahabas and other Pious people of Islam.

These is no way construded as worship of these people but mere respect.

Jazak-Allah Kheiren

PS : we are still waiting for your guidance regarding Salat in Quran.

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[Danish]

Followers of all their own petty leaders such as Aga Khan (direct descendant of Ali), John Pope Paul (direct descendant of Jesus), say the same thing as the followers of Burhanuddin (another direct descendant of Ali). Yet they differ and defy each other and are maliciously ready to slaughter each other like goats for them (their leaders). What a path they have chosen beside GOD's. Surprisingly, all these leaders give lip-service to their followers about Quran, no one knows what the hell they are talking about.

Fools wake up!!! It's another dying regime, not flourishing, as one can see on this forum alone.

[porus]

I have noticed that when I converse in Arabic, Urdu, or even in Gujarati (Lisaan-e-Daawat), salla-llahu alayhi wa sallam, comes forth naturally with every mention of Muhammad's name. This does not happen when I talk in English. In fact, I find "May God bless him and keep him in peace" sounds hackneyed and disturbs the flow of conversation in English. Even the Arabic 'saw' sounds unnatural when inserted in English coversation.

To invoke blessings and peace on prophet is of course God's command (in Quran)to believers. But to say it after every mention of his name appears to be a mere custom, although widely followed.

I have also noticed that Urdu/Gujarati speakers shorten the invocation to just "sal-am". They will say Rasullulah sal-am, just as in writing they write "saw" in English or "saad-ayn" in Arabic script.

For Danish, God's command is irrelevant because his master, Rashad Khalifa (saw?), has declared that Myuhammad was only called prophet when he was alive and now that he is dead, he is no longer the prophet. So calling for blessings upon him is simply a satanic innovation. You cannot, Danish says, bless a dead prophet or dead anybody.

[simon]

Danish,
Wake up! Smell the coffee ! Pope and a direct descendant of Jesus and Syedna Burhanuddin a direct descendant of Maulana Ali.
Shows a lot about your awareness.
Simon

[Muslim]

Well, the Pope's never claimed descent from Jesus, he is elected by a group of cardinals. And Burhanuddin never claims descent from Ali, he is most likely a descendant of Hindu converts. I also don't recall Bohras and Catholics ever "slaughter each other like goats". I don't know where Danish gets his facts from??????

[Danish]

Here we go again and as I mentioned earlier, Satan's reps keep on coming back to deceive the GOD Alone people:

For Danish, God's command is irrelevant because his master, Rashad Khalifa (saw?)

For Porus, Satan's command is relevant for he has parenthesized Rashad Khalifa by (saw?) and made GOD's command irrelevant. Notice the question mark, for he is not sure about this either, whether to put the "saw" next to Rashad and perhaps make him equal to Muhammad, just like they did to GOD's name by partneeing with Muhammad and then with Ali. Another Satanic innovation out of nowhere.

You cannot, Danish says, bless a dead prophet or dead anybody.

Not me, the Quran says so, silly.

Shows a lot about your awareness.

Absolutely it shows my "awareness" because Jesus and Ali are dead.

[Danish]

Is there any harm if you call Muhammad SAW instead of just Muhammad?

No, there is no harm either way. Its just a name. Besides, I never met Muhammad or Ali or Hussain or Jesus or Moses or Abraham or Tayyeb and neither did they knew me. Besides, we all know who we are talking about. I am not answerable for their souls for what they did and neither they are answerable for my soul for what I am doing. I am only answerable to GOD Almighty and no one else. HE is the ONLY ONE closest to my jugular vein who knows what is contained within me and to HIM Alone I will return.

[2:134] Such is a community from the past. They are responsible for what they earned, and you are responsible for what you earned. You are not answerable for anything they have done.

[50:16] We created the human, and we know what he whispers to himself. We are closer to him than his jugular vein.
[50:17] Two recording (angels), at right and at left, are constantly recording.
[50:18] Not an utterance does he utter without an alert witness.

PEACE.

[porus]

Originally posted by Danish:

.....for he has parenthesized Rashad Khalifa by (saw?) and made GOD's command irrelevant. Notice the question mark, for he is not sure about this either, whether to put the "saw" next to Rashad.....

Danish, that was meant to be a joke! But, I see you are not laughing!!

It did occur to me that since Rashad calls himself a messenger and tells us that the word 'messenger' in the Quran refers to him, i.e. Rashad, Muslims, not submitters I grant you, should use 'saw' after his name. As Qiyam reminded us, one cannot be a messenger without first having been a prophet. So Muslims must agree with you that he must have been a prophet before God told him he was a essenger.

For submitters, as Rashad is dead, this 'saw' business, as with Muhammad, is highly irrelevant, don't you agree?

Thank you for being a clown. You brought a fresh air of entertainment to this board. I award you the Archie Bunker award for the most unoriginal bigot to have graced this message board.

[Danish]

Porus,

I award you the Archie Bunker award for the most unoriginal bigot to have graced this message board.

Thanks for the award, appreciated. At least I wasn't an "original bigot" (porus).

By the way, I love to watch "All in the family", don't you?

[Muddai]

u cannot deny that community has progressed & flourished under his able leadership. today the community is closely knit

Progessed , flourished and closely knit are all relative terms. The guys on the the street corner that insist on wiping my wind shield clean are all of the above as well, as are the beggars in Calcutta, Mumbai, Dhaka, or Baghdad.

When you got nothing, you got nothing to lose [Bob dylan]

[Khairan]

> when u hv faith u dont ask question

If you don't ask questions, on what basis do you have faith? Doubt strengthens faith by refreshing it - if you have no questions, than you have no doubt, and your faith becomes stagnant.

>today ur questioning Sayyedna (TUS) tommorrow u may question Prophet (PBUH) & Imamms & its teaching.

God Himself, through the words in the Qur'an, sided with a woman who questioned the Prophet's judgement on a religious matter.

If you don't question your beliefs, how do you know they are right?

salaam

[jinx]

Well..every crook has controversy and Sayedna has just too many of them. You are free to have your own personalized interpretation of Sayedna being a holy man of some sort but we beg to differ.

[truebohra]

Jinx,
It's ur choice to differ i agree. My question is abt ur hatred & abusive language. that shows ur mentality of frustrated person. Apart from bieng Holy sayyedna(T.U.S) is a learned person & arabic scholar. if u dont consider him holy at least show some respect for him. Event other Dai's, immams had some sort of controversy attached with them by people who opposed them would u call them also crooks?

[quresh8719]

Bismillah Hir Rahman Nir Rahim
"Say:'I seek refuge with the lord of day break,
From the evil that he created,
From the darkness when it is intense,
From the Witchcraft of the witch,
From the Envier when he envieth."
113-Surah Falaak
Greetings be to those who are the followers of righteous guidance.
I have a question to ask Dr. Syedna Muhammad Burhannudin(may Allah the all knowing and the all hearing bless him and all those who are the followers of the righteous guidance.) I hope one of the Bohras may be able to answer this question for me. I have read somewhere that the Bohra muslims and the sunnis or shias have a different Quran is this true??? They believe that some verse have been abrogated regarding Ali ibn Abu talib (may Allah the all knowing and the all hearing bless him and all those who are the followers of the righteous guidance.. Is this claim True. I hope i get several responses from all you people present there.
Thanking You,
Quresh