Wahhabism

[anajmi]

Here are a few other questions that come to my mind.

I asked a couple before which were deemed irrelevant, however, they are not.

Would you consider the combining of prayers as literal interpretation of the hadith?

Would you consider the performance of Hajj as literal interpretation of the quran?

Would you consider the running between Safa and Marwah during Hajj as literal interpretation of the hadith.

Would you consider the fasting during the month of Ramadan as literal interpretation of the quran?

Would you consider prohibition of fornication/adultery as literal interpretation of the quran?

Would you consider performance of salaah with ruky, sujood and qiyam as literal interpretation of the quran?

Ibrahim (as) destroyed idols too. Can that be dismissed as literal interpretation of the quran?

Can Eid-ul-Adha be dismissed as literal interpretation of quran and hadith?

Now as far as Ismailis are concerned, since they follow none of these, they probably do. I am talking about the rest of the Shia.

Or are there a specific set of ayaah that will turn you into a wahhabi?

[porus]

anajmi,

All these injunctions from the Quran and hadith have been literally interpreted by Muslims. And since I am claiming that Wahhabis emphasize only the literal interpretation of text of Quran and hadith, that makes all Muslims Wahhabis.

Great conclusion and I have now been convinced that all Muslims are Wahhabis.

That closes the discussion. You can claim victory.

[Muslim First]

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Interesting discussion here

One Umma and different sects
http://www.muslimwakeup.com/bb/viewtopic.php?t=8202
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[turbocanuck]

Another take on Cruel Wahhabism.......consistent with the murderous tendencies found on this forum.

http://www.sufi.it/islam/wahlast.htm

since the Sufis are also dismissed as "rafeedhah" i look forward to the dancing by Wahhabi thugs on this forum.

[porus]

Thanks for the link turbocanuck. Some interesting hadith there about if the dead can "hear".

Another interesting opinion about Wahhabism:

http://www.amislam.com/warning.htm

I quote from the above:

"The Wahhabis are known for parroting the slogan of "Qur’an and Sunnah," without any profound understanding of the two sources of Islam, and are known for slandering scholars of Ahlu-s-Sunnah like Imams Suyuti, Imam Abu Hamid Ghazali, Imam Nawawi, (ramimahum-Ullah) among others. The great Hanafi scholar, Imam Muhammad Amin Ibn Abidin (ramimah-Ullah), stated that the Wahhabis of today are reviving the creed of the Khawarij of the past. It is also known that the Khawarij wrongly understand the meanings of ayahs in the Qur’an and falsely attribute ayahs meant for non-Muslims to Muslims. The Wahhabis are notorious for reviving this Kharijite practice. Moreover, the Wahhabis have a passion for trying to find faults among the mujtahids such as the noble Imam Abu Hanifah, Imam Shaf‘i, Imam Malik, and Imam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal. They try to find faults in their methodologies, while they do not possess a methodology of their own. Hence, Wahhabi "scholars" who have graduated from Wahhabi universities in Saudi Arabia are never taught a methodology to enable them to understand the Qur’an and Sunnah. This is why they are in a constant state of self-contradiction, confusion, and fitnah among the Muslim population.

[jawanmardan]

I think making generalisations about Wahabbi is unhelpful.

Not all wahabbi are militant.

[porus]

Originally posted by jawanmardan:
I think making generalisations about Wahabbi is unhelpful.

Not all wahabbi are militant.

I agree. Attention needs to be concentrated on those who actively prosleytise Wahhabism and those who become their tools for militant waging of war against other Muslims, especially in India, Pakistan and Afghanistan who remain ignorant of the fact that they are at the effect of Wahhabi onslaught. 'Evangelical' Wahhabism is very clever at representing itself in the mould of the pious Salafi.

There is widespread opposition to Wahhabism even in Saudi Arabia, which I felt fist hand. Ordinary Saudi is perhaps not even aware that he is a Wahhabi and may not care much about religion except attending to his ritual obligations.

[anajmi]

porus,

You are a wahhabi dupe. You know why? You keep literally interpreting the hadith about the dead being able to hear. How about literally interpreting the ayah about the dead who are alive and get sustenance from Allah? You are an ordinary kafir who doesn't even know that he is a wahhabi.

they are in a constant state of self-contradiction, confusion,

Nothing describes your own state of mind better than that gem. First you say that you are a kafir, then you say you only say that you are a kafir, then you say that one can only consider a person who says he is a kafir, a kafir, but that doesn't mean he is a kafir. You say a wahhabi supports Yazid and Muawiyah and wants to kill other muslims, then you say you can be a wahhabi even if you don't want support Yazid and Muawiyah or even if you don't want to kill other muslims. All you have to do is interpret the quran literally. Then you say you have to interpret both the quran and the hadith literally. Then you say that all muslims are wahhabis because they all interpret the quran and the hadith literally (that was hidden in the form of sarcasm but I know you too well). Then you say that wahhabis are never taught a methodology to understand the quran and the hadith.

And then finally, you end up crying like a baby who has just been spanked.

What a pathetic state of mind.

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by jawanmardan:
I think making generalisations about Wahabbi is unhelpful.

Not all wahabbi are militant.

A "peaceful" Wahhabi??...........an Oxymoron if i ever heard of one!

[Muslim First]

Attention needs to be concentrated on those who actively prosleytise Wahhabism

Porus

Besisdes literal int. of Qur'an what is Wahabism?
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[porus]

I found these on the web:

re: Nabi is "alive""

The Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said, “Recite Durood upon me in abundance on a Friday since it is a respected day. On that day the Angels are present and whosoever sends Durood upon me on that day, then his Durood is placed before me till the time when they have completed sending Durood and Salaam”. (Sayyiduna Abu Dardah radi Allahu anhu says), “I asked, ‘Huzoor! Will you even hear (the Salaam) after your demise?’” The Prophet (sallal laahu alaii wasallam) said, “Verily Almighty Allah has made it Haraam upon the earth to devour the bodies of the Ambiya (alaihimus salaam). Thus, all the Nabis of Allah are alive and they are given sustenance.” (Ibn Majah; Jame Sahgeer; Mishkaat Shareef)

re: Nabi helps someone at a distance after he hears his call for help:

Sayyiduna Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) was making Wudhu for Tahajjud Salaah at the home of Sayyiduna Maimuna (radi Allahu anha). He suddenly called out three times, “Labbaik, Labbaik, Labbaik!” (Here I am) and “Nusirtu, Nusirtu, Nusirtu!” (I helped you). After saying this, he remained where he was and did not leave that place. Sayyiduna Maimuna (radi Allahu anha) further said: “When the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) completed his Wudhu, I asked him why he had called out those words”. He replied: “Raajiz was calling me”. What actually happened was that the Quraish wanted to kill Sayyiduna Umar bin Saalim Raajiz (radi Allahu anhu) as he was on the road leading to Madinatul Munawwarah. He called out: “O Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam)! Help me or else the enemies will kill me!” Sayyiduna Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) responded to his call from home and saved him from death. (Baihaqi; Tibrani)

If you take those two together, then Nabi is "alive" and can help.

[porus]

Ibn Batuta relates Ibn Taymiyya (a Wahhabi hero) saying Allah is bound in time and space.

We understand something of the contemporary scholar’s impression of Ibn Taymiyya from the Tuhfat al-nuzzar or “Travels” of Ibn Battuta, who relates:

“When I came to Damascus there was a man called Ibn Taymiyya speaking about religious science, but there was something strange in his mind. One day he was giving the Jum`a sermon and he said, ”Our Lord descends to the nearest heaven thus,” then he went down two steps on the minbar and he said “like my descending” (kanuzuli hadha).”
This well-known incident is confirmed both internally through Ibn Taymiyya’s own writings, and externally as related in Ibn Hajar’s Durar:(Najm al-Din Sulayman ibn `Abd al-Qawi) al-Tufi (al-Hanbali) said:

“They ascertained that he had blurted out certain words concerning doctrine which came out of his mouth in the context of his sermons and legal decisions, and they mentioned that he had cited the hadith of Allah’s descent, then climbed down two steps from the minbar and said: “Just like this descent of mine” and he was categorized as an anthropomorphist.”

Ibn Taymiyya’s conception of Allah’s bodily descent is also stated in his own writings, as shown from the following excerpt from his al-Ta’sis fi al-radd `ala asas al-taqdis, written as a refutation of Imam al-Razi who was a fierce enemy of the Karramiyya and other anthropomorphists:

"The Creator, Glorified and Exalted is He, is above the world and His being above is literal, not in the sense of dignity or rank. It may be said of the precedence of a certain object over another that it is with respect to dignity or rank, or that it is with respect to location. For example, respectively: the precedence of the learned over the ignorant and the precedence of the imam over the one praying behind him. Allah’s precedence over the world is not like that, rather, it is a literal precedence (i.e. in time). Similarly the elevation above the world could be said to be with respect to dignity or rank, as for example when it said that the learned is above the ignorant. But Allah’s elevation over the world is not like that, rather He is elevated over it literally (i.e. in space). And this is the known elevation and the known precedence.

It should be clear that the above in no way represents the position of Imam Ahmad or his school. As Ibn al-Jawzi reported in his Daf` shubah al-tashbih: `Ali ibn Muhammad ibn `Umar al-Dabbas related to us that Rizq Allah ibn `Abd al-Wahhab al-Tamimi said: “Ahmad ibn Hanbal did not attribute a direction to the Creator.”

[anajmi]

If you take those two together, then Nabi is "alive" and can help.

Now I am convinced that the Shia cannot be wahhabis. Nabi is alive and can help and even then the Shia keep saying "Ya Ali Madad". That is because they haven't interpreted these two hadith literally. Metaphorical or taawili interpretation points to Hazrat Ali!! However, if they start saying "O Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam)! Help me", then they will immediately become wahhabis since they will then be interpreting those hadith literally.

Ibn Batuta relates Ibn Taymiyya (a Wahhabi hero) saying Allah is bound in time and space.

That is, if you interpret what he is saying literally!!

[porus]

Literalist versus nuanced tafsir:

Wahhabi hatchet job on Yussufali translation:

http://www.bt.com.bn/en/features/2007/0 ... ced_tafsir

...if we were to take every Qur'anic passage, statement or expression in its outward, literal sense and disregard the possibility of its being an allegory, a metaphor or a parable, we would be offending against the very spirit of the divine writ."

This offence, committed by the Wahhabi-Salafi translations of the Qur'an is evident in two volumes vigorously marketed by the Saudis. The one is by al-Hilali and Muhsin Khan, published by Darussalam, Riyadh in 1997. The other is by four anonymous committees, published by the Saudi Ministry of Hajj and Endowments in 1989, who adapted the work of Abdullah Yusuf Ali after "revising and correcting" his translation.

[porus]

The literalist interpretation of the Qur’an becomes popular when Islam is in crisis and Muslims perceive themselves to be under siege. Its strongest advocate was the 13th-century scholar Ibn Taymiyya who belonged to a long and heroic tradition of intellectual zealots. He was exclusively concerned with the survival of the Muslim community at a time when Muslim civilization, recovering from the onslaught of the Crusades, was under siege from the Mongols. Pluralistic interpretations of Islam, accompanied by endless discussion, he argued, were dividing and weakening Muslims. Muslims had to return to a purist Islam. Nothing could be read metaphorically or symbolically. Everything had to be based on a single, literalist interpretation of the Qur’an.

Ibn Taymiyya’s ideas were taken up by Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahab, the 18th-century founder of the revivalist movement named after him. Reacting to advancing colonization of Muslim societies, Abd al-Wahhab advocated ‘the return to Qur’an and Sunnah’ (the practice of the Prophet) in a literal sense. Once again, a puritan literal interpretation was seen as a solution to the political problems of Islam. Eventually Wahhabism became the creed of Saudi Arabia.

Today, Wahhabism is once again in fashion amongst militant Muslims. It spread like a wildfire in the late 1980s after the abject failure of the Revolution in Iran, the naked squandering of oil revenues, and the hopes of a ‘cultural revival’ in the Muslim world all but evaporated. The answer to poverty, corruption, despotism and rampant globalization is seen in terms of a retreat to a more and more romanticized notion of Islam.

However, modernist Wahhabism has added an extra dimension to its monolithic literalist interpretation. It now insists that its single interpretation of Islam can only be manifested in terms of an ‘Islamic state’. Thus, Islam is reduced to a pure, one-dimensional, political ideology.

But once Islam, as an ideology, becomes a programme of action of a vested group it loses its humanity and becomes a battlefield where morality, reason and justice are readily sacrificed at the altar of political expediency as we witnessed in revolutionary Iran, the activities of Islamic movements in Algeria, Egypt and Pakistan, and in the actions of al-Qaida supporters.

http://www.newint.org/features/2002/05/ ... nd-reform/

[anajmi]

There are two kinds of extremes. The wahhabis and the taawilers. In the world of the wahhabis the quran is interpreted "literally", whatever that means. And in the world of the taawilers, the quran can be interpreted any way you wish. Nothing is taboo and nothing is necessary. If you don't want to do salaah you will find a taawiler who will say it is ok according to the quran, if you don't want to roza, you will find a taawiler who will say it is ok according to the quran, if you don't want to believe in heaven and hell, you will find a taawiler who will say that it is ok according to the quran, you don't want to believe Allah is omniscient, you will find a taawiler who will say that it is ok according to the quran. Both of these crazy dupes have caused massive damage to the Muslim society.

[porus]

From Answering Wahhabism And Salafism: (unedited)

Is it shirk to ask help from someone other than Allah ?

Prophet Muhammad (saw) said "My life is a great good for you, you will relate about me and it will be related to you, and my death( temporary) is a great good for you, your actions will be presented to me (in my grave) and if I see goodness I will praise Allah, and if see other than that I will ask forgiveness of him (for you).”

Hadrat Uthman bin Haniff (radi Allahu anhu) says that a blind man came to the court of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) and said, “O Messenger of Allah! Pray for me that I may regain my sight.” The Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said, “Go and perform ablution and read two Raka’ats of Nafil Salaah and read this Du’a: ‘O Allah! Verily I ask of You and towards You I use the mediation of Nabi-e-Rahmat, Muhammad Mustapha (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam). O Muhammad! Verily I turn through your Wasila to Your Creator for my needs so that my needs may be fulfilled. O Allah, accept the intercession of Muhammad (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) for me”.

Sayyiduna Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) was making Wudhu for Tahajjud Salaah at the home of Sayyiduna Maimuna (radi Allahu anha). He suddenly called out three times, “Labbaik, Labbaik, Labbaik!” (Here I am) and “Nusirtu, Nusirtu, Nusirtu!” (I helped you). After saying this, he remained where he was and did not leave that place. Sayyiduna Maimuna (radi Allahu anha) further said: “When the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) completed his Wudhu, I asked him why he had called out those words”. He replied: “Raajiz was calling me”. What actually happened was that the Quraish wanted to kill Sayyiduna Umar bin Saalim Raajiz (radi Allahu anhu) as he was on the road leading to Madinatul Munawwarah. He called out: “O Nabi (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam)! Help me or else the enemies will kill me!” Sayyiduna Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) responded to his call from home and saved him from death.

This Hadith Shareef proves four points:
1. Sayyiduna Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) is observing his Ummah.
2. It is Ja’iz (Permissible) to call the Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) for help.
3. Sayyiduna Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) can hear the call of his Ummah.
4. Sayyiduna Rasoolullah (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) can help those in distress regardless of distance

NOW SEE FROM THE ABOVE HADITH “O” FOOLISH SO CALLED WAHHABI NAJADI HYPOCRITE THAT IT IS PERFECTLY PERMISSIBLE TO ASK HELP FROM THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD Salla Allahu ta’ala ‘alayhi wa Sallam AS THE COMPANIONS USED TO DO THIS AND DO YOU THINK YOU ARE HIGHER THAN THE COMPANIONS OF PROPHET Radi Allahu anhu NOT TO ASK THE HELP OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD Salla Allahu ta’ala ‘alayhi wa Sallam AND DO YOU “O” FOOL THINK IT IS SHIRK TO ASK HELP FROM OTHER THAN ALLAH THEN GOING FROM YOUR RETARDED NARROW MINDED THINKING AND PERVERTED AQEEDA BORROWED FROM THE LIKES OF IBN ABDUL WAHHAB NAJADI ANOTHER GREATEST HYPOCRITE FOOL TO HAVE EVER EXISTED WOULD IT ALSO BE A SHRIK IF A MUSLIM SAYS ???” HELP ME O DOCTOR ” ,
HELP ME O POLICE ,
HELP ME O MOTHER ,
HELP ME O FATHER ,
HELP ME O BROTHER
HELP ME O MY CHILDREN
HELP ME O MY FRIEND
HELP ME O MY TEACHER
HELP ME O MY MECHANIC
HELP ME O MY ELECTRICIAN
HELP ME O —————– ETC ETC ETC ETC ETCGOING BY THE WAHHABI OR SLAFI LOGIC EVERY MUSLIM ON THE FACE OF EARTH INCLUDING THE GREATEST FOOL IBN ABDUL WAHHAB NAJADI HAS COMMITTED SHIRK MILLIONS OF TIMES EVERY DAY —————– PLEASE SPARE US YOUR IGNORANCE AND PATHETIC RETARDED IDEOLOGY , AQEEDA ON SHIRK AND UNITY OF ALLAH —— WE OF AHLE SUNNAH PURE MUSLIMS CAN NEVER RETARD OURSELVES TO THE LEVELS OF THIS APE IBN ABDUL WAHHAB NAJADI AND HIS MILLIONS OF APE FOLLOWERS , WAHHABI , SLAFI , TABLEEQI ETC ETC NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU FOOLISH SALAFI TRY TO TEACH YOUR CRAP RETARDED APE LIKE AQQEDA TO US WE CAN NEVER RETARD OURSELVES TO THE LEVELS OF APES TO ACCEPT YOUR APE WAHHABI IDEOLOGY ETC

AND THIS FOOL IBN ABDUL WAHHAB WROTE A WHOLE BOOK NAMED ”THE BOOK OF TAWHEED ” ? AND CAN YOU BELIVE THAT THE SLAFIS OR WAHHABIS RECOMMEND THIS CRAP BOOK FOR EVERY MUSLIM TO READ

AS WE CAN CLEARLY SEE IT IS ABSURD AND RETARDED TO THINK THAT IF A MUSLIM ASKS FOR THE HELP FROM OTHER THAN ALLAH HE IS COMMITTING SHIRK

IN FACT THIS IS RECOMMENDED IN THE QURAN BY ALLAH HIMSELF THAT THE MUSLIMS SHOULD SEEK THE HELP , GUIDANCE AND PROTECTION OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD Salla Allahu ta’ala ‘alayhi wa Sallam , COMPANIONS Radi Allahu anhu AND PIOUS MUSLIMS Rehmatullahi ’Alaih
QURAN [Taubah 9;16.} Or think ye that ye shall be abandoned, as though Allah did not know those among you who strive with might and main, and take none for friends and protectors except Allah, His Messenger, and the (community of) Believers? But Allah is well- acquainted with (all) that ye do.

QURAN [Taubah 9:103] O dear Prophet (Mohammed - peace and blessings be upon him) take the obligatory charity from their wealth, by which you may cleanse them and make them pure, and pray in their favour; indeed your prayer is the contentment of their hearts; and Allah is All Hearing, All Knowing.[Taubah 9:128] Indeed there has come to you a Noble Messenger from among you - your falling into hardship aggrieves him, most concerned for your well being, for the Muslims most compassionate, most merciful.[Taubah 9:129] Then if they turn away, say (O dear Prophet Mohammed - peace and blessings be upon him), “Allah suffices me; there is no worship except for Him; only Him have I trusted, and He is the Lord Of The Great Throne.”“And if when they do injustice unto their souls, then O Beloved! They should come to you and then beg forgiveness of Allah and the Messenger should intercede for them, then surely, they would find Allah Most Relenting, Merciful.” QURAN(Para 5, Ruku 6)

MAY CURSE OF ALLAH BE UPON YOU “O” WAHHABI HYPOCRITE, AND MAY YOU COME ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT BEGGING FOR THE INTERCESSION OF PROPHET MUHAMMAD(SAW) AND LET YOUR INTERCESSION BE DENIED AND YOU BE THROWN TO HELL FIRE FOR YOU HAVE SHOWN ULTIMATE DISRESPECT TO YOUR PROPHET (SAW) BY CALLING HIM DEAD AND CLAIMING YOU ARROGANT DEVIL ( IBLIS) DO NOT NEED THE PROPHET (SAW) HELP .
THE FACT IS YOU WILL BEG ON THE DAY OF JUDGMENT FOR THE PROPHET (SAW) TO INTERCEDE FOR YOU BEFORE ALLAH , YES YOU WILL BEG LIKE A BEGGAR AS NOW YOU BOAST LIKE A PHARAOH AND IBLIS THAT YOU ARE IN NO NEED OF THE PROPHET MUHAMMAD ( SAW) HELP OR PRAYERS
MAY ALLAH GIVE YOU AND THE LIKES OF YOU HYPOCRITES WAHHABI , SLALFI , ETC ETC WHAT YOU TRULY DESERVE HUMILIATION IN THIS WORLD AND HELL IN HEREAFTER
I CHALLENGE ANY SO CLLED WAHHABI AND SALAFI FOOL TO PROVE THE TRUE PURE SUNNI OF AHLE SUNNAH THAT TO SEEK HELP FROM OTHER THAN ALLAH IS SHIRK
JUST TRY AND I WILL PROVE YOU THAT THE PERSON IS JUST AN APE WHO CLAIMS SUCH ABSURBD THINGS IN ISLAM

[porus]

Originally posted by anajmi:
And in the world of the taawilers, the quran can be interpreted any way you wish. Nothing is taboo and nothing is necessary. If you don't want to do salaah you will find a taawiler who will say it is ok according to the quran, if you don't want to roza, you will find a taawiler who will say it is ok according to the quran, if you don't want to believe in heaven and hell, you will find a taawiler who will say that it is ok according to the quran, you don't want to believe Allah is omniscient, you will find a taawiler who will say that it is ok according to the quran.

What an idiot!!

[anajmi]

Answering Wahhabism And Salafism

Looks like the author of answering wahhabism and salafism was from the family of turbooch.

Besides seeking help from someone like your doctor, brother, teacher etc is not the same as "Ya Ali Madad". You aren't that dumb.

[anajmi]

Let me give you a hypothetical example. Let us say that the best brain surgeon on earth is visiting you one day because your brain needs fixing. On the same day your TV breaks down too. Will you ask your brain surgeon to fix your TV?

That is the difference that the Shias refuse to understand. Not that they don't understand... they refuse to understand.

Then there are wahhabis on the other extreme. According to them if a person drinks a gallon of milk and then if his tummy hurts, he is not supposed to say it was because of the milk, otherwise it becomes shirk.

We have idiots on both sides.

[pardesi]

We have idiots on both sides.[/QB]

Now that a first!!

[pardesi]

Originally posted by anajmi:

Answering Wahhabism And Salafism

Looks like the author of answering wahhabism and salafism was from the family of turbooch.

Besides seeking help from someone like your doctor, brother, teacher etc is not the same as "Ya Ali Madad". You aren't that dumb.

The resident Wahhabi resorts to his old tricks again when cornered by Porus. Sidesteps the subject and diverts it towards Ismailis.

What an idiot!

[anajmi]

Now that a first!!

Not for Ismailis. They are filled with.......you guessed it, Ismaili idiots.

[pardesi]

Originally posted by anajmi:

Now that a first!!

Not for Ismailis. They are filled with.......you guessed it, Ismaili idiots.

Whatever! Still it was your first admission that the Wahabis are idiots. Thats a start, baby.

[anajmi]

Oh absolutely. Wahhabis and Ismailis are both idiots. You are an Ismaili but I am not a wahhabi. So, you are an idiot, I am not.

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by anajmi:
Oh absolutely. Wahhabis and Ismailis are both idiots. You are an Ismaili but I am not a wahhabi. So, you are an idiot, I am not.

No Najma, are an idiot. You ARE a Wahhabi thug, a nut cracking one at that. You thump and pummel your womenfolk, you have murderous tendencies and an illiterate mindset. What else can you be except a Psycho Sunni-Wahhabi-Deobandi idiot?

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by anajmi:
turbooch is hunting the internet

No its for You buddy. the pleasure of Sunni-Wahhabi indoctrinated homosexuality called Ghilmans. Want more Sunni proof? Go for it Di@khead Now dont try to rape a 6 year old girl after going into the sulk mode, you might justify it with the prescription somewhere in some godforsaken crap, you loser.

[pardesi]

Please guys, lets not get off course here. Porus has some unfinished business to take care of. We will have plenty of opportunities later.

Have a last word Porus or have your way with this loser. He is ripe for killing! (on this subject ofcourse, not to be taken LITERALLY).

Anajmi, I have never seen someone so helpless on this website. But you deserved it.

[Muslim First]

Is it shirk to ask help from someone other than Allah ?

Perhaps following essaywill help. Br. Pardesi should pay attention to essay and comment on its content. Also give some proof from Qur'an and sunna in support of 'Ya ali Madad".

______________________________

ESTABLISHING THE PROOFS REGARDING THE RULE ON THOSE WHO SEEK HELP FROM OTHER THEN ALLAH.

By His eminence Sheikh ABDUL AZIZ BIN ABDULLAH BIN BAZ

Translated by Dr. Syed Muhammad Munawwar Nainar


The Essay


Praise to Allah and peace and blessing be upon the Prophet of Allah, the members of his family and his companions and on all who proceed on his path.

The weekly magazine, “Al-Mujtama” of Kuwait , had in its issue no. 15 dated 4-19-1390 A.H., published a poem containing invocations the Prophet SAW and appeals to him to help the Ummah (Islamic Community) and salvage it from mutual disaccord and disagreements. The poem signed by someone called Amina, ran as follows:


“O Prophet of Allah, come to the rescue of world caught in the flames of a war,
O prophet of Allah, come to rescue of the Ummah, plunged in the darkness of the doubts since long,
O Prophet Allah, come to the rescue of the Ummah which has lost sight of its vision in the wilderness of the grief---etc. etc.”


And the poem concludes with the following lines:


“O prophet of Allah, come to the rescue of the Ummah, plunged in the darkness of the doubt since long, pray you! Bring speedy victory as you did at the battle of Badr was turned to Glorious Victory, And Lo! Defeat was turned to a Glorious Victory, Verily Allah hath soldiers you do not see.”


Thus the person who wrote the Poem cries out to the Prophet SAW beseeching him to rescue the Ummah by achieving speedy victory; she forgets or ignores the fact that victory is granted by Allah SWT alone and that it is neither in the hands of Prophet SAW nor in the hands of any other creation. Allah SAW says in Qur’an:


“---There is no help except from Allah the Exalted, the Wise.” (Q 3:126)

“If Allah helps you, none can overcome you; if He forsakes you, who is there, after that, that can help you? --” (Q-3:160)

It has been established by the verses of the Holy Qur’an and by the consensus of the Ummah that Allah the Almighty created all human being so that they may worship Him. He sent the Messengers and revealed the books to expound the manner of worship and the path of the mission. In this regard, Allah SWT states in Holy Qur’an:


“I have only created jinns and men that they may serve Me. (Q-51: 56)

“For We assuredly sent amongst every People an apostle, (with the Command), Serve Allah, and eschew Evil" (Q 16:36)

“Not an apostle did We send before thee without this inspiration sent by Us to him that there is no god but I; therefore worship and serve Me." (Q21: 25)

“Alif Lam Ra. (This is) a Book with verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning) further explained in detail, from One Who is Wise and Well-Acquainted (with all things):(It teacheth) that ye should worship none but Allah. (Say:) "Verily I am (sent) unto you from Him to warn and to bring glad tidings.” (Q 11:1-2)


It is clear from above verses that Allah SWT has created human beings and jinns but for one purpose only: to worship Him Alone and not to attribute any partner to Him. And He has said clearly that the Messengers (Peace Be Upon Them all) were sent to call for this worship and to forbid what is contrary to it: the verses of the holy Qur’an are clear and categorical in stating that Allah and Allah alone is to be worshipped. This worship implies faith in the oneness of Allah and obedience to Him, compliance of His commands and abstention from all that is forbidden by Him. Allah has ordained these tenants in numerous verses:


“And they have been commanded no more than this: to worship Allah offering Him sincere devotion, being True (in faith): ---“ (Q 98:5)


And


“ Thy Lord hath decreed that ye worship none but Him.” (Q 17:22)


And


“Verily it is We Who have revealed the Book to thee in Truth: so serve Allah offering him sincere devotion. Is not to Allah that sincere devotion is due?” (Q 39:142)


The verses dealing on this concept are abundant in the Holy Qur’an. They all point to necessity of sincerity in worshipping Allah Alone and give and give up worshipping all others including the Prophets. There is no doubt that “Dua” (Invocation) is a vital and comprehensive for of worship; it is to be addressed in all sincerity to Allah Alone as Allah the Almighty says in Holy Qur’an:


“Call ye then upon Allah with sincere devotion to Him even though the Unbelievers may detest it.” (Q 40:14)


And


“Mosques are built for Allah's worship; therefore, invoke not anyone along with Allah.” (Q 72:18)


This applies to all creations including the Prophets SAW because the word “Ahad” in Arabic is indefinite noun used in context of total negation. Therefore, it applies to all except Allah the Almighty.

Allah SWT says:


“’Nor call on any, other then Allah: -such will neither profit thee nor hurt thee.” (Q10: 106)


This verse is addressed to the Prophet SAW.

Needless to say, the Prophet SAW enjoys Divine protection from polytheistic beliefs; the purpose of this verse is to caution others. The Almighty says:


“ If thou dost, Behold! Thou shalt certainly be of those who do wrong.” (Q 10:106)


Thus the foremost among the mankind, namely the Prophet SAW has himself been cautioned that if he invokes anyone other then Allah, he shall be deemed as one who does wrong. What to say of other human beings?

It must be noted that word “Zulm” (wrong doing) is used in the sense of major “Shirk” that is polytheism. Allah the Almighty says:


“Those who reject the faith-they are the wrong doers,” (Q 2:254)


And


When Luqman, while advising his son, said to him: "O my son! Do not ever commit shirk (associating anyone else with Allah); surely committing shirk is indeed the highest wrong doing.” (Q 31:13)


It is evident from all these verses that invocation to anyone other then Allah whether they be from the dead or trees or idols, etc. is an act of joining others with Allah in worship; it contradicts the purpose of worship for which Allah has created human beings and the jinns and had sent Prophets (PBUThem) and revealed the Divine Messages to people and call them to act upon it. This is the meaning of the phrase “there is no god except Allah;” this statement affirms there is nothing to be worshipped except Allah SWT. This is stated in the Holy Quran:


“That is because Allah is the (only) Truth and because whatever else they invoke besides Him is Falsehood.” (Q 31:30)


This is the essence of religion, and the basic principle of our faith; no worship will be true unless this principle is truly accepted. Allah the Almighty says in the Holy Qur’an:


“But it has already been revealed to thee,- As it was to those before thee ,-"If thou ware to join (gods with Allah), truly fruitless will be thy work (in life), and thou wilt surely be in the ranks of those who lose (all spiritual good)." (Q 39:65)


And


“ -----If they had committed shirk (worshiped anyone else besides Allah) all their deeds would have become void.” (Q 6:88)


The religion of Islam is base on two great principles:

1. That Allah Alone is to be worshipped
2. That worship should be according to the path shown by the Prophet of Allah, Muhammad SAW.

This is the meaning of the “Shahadah” i.e. the statement of Faith: There is no god except Allah and that Muhammad SAW is the Messenger of Allah. Therefore, it will be contradiction of this principle if anyone invokes the dead including the Prophets or others or invoke idols, trees and stones, etc. and seek their help or seeks to gain favor from them by offering sacrifices of animals or vows or praise for them or prostrates to them. It will be act of associating others s Lords of creation besides Allah SWT. In other words, it will be negation of this basic tenet. It must also be mentioned that anyone who introduces into religion something which has not been permitted by Allah SWT will be failing to abide by the meaning of Shahadah that “Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah,” Allah SWT says:


“And We shall turn to whatever deeds they did (in this life) and We shall make such deeds as floating dust scattered about.” (Q 25:23)


The deeds referred to here, are deeds of those who spent their lives in polytheistic belief.

In this category of deeds are also included all contrived actions which are not permitted by Allah; these actions will, on the Day of Judgment, be like floating dust scattered about because it was not in accordance with the Divine guidance. The Prophet Muhammad SAW has said in authentic Tradition: “He who innovates something in this matter of ours that are not of it will have it rejected.” The above referred lady writer has addressed an invocation to the Prophet SAW and calls for his help. She has turned away from the Lord of creations in Whose Hand there is Victory as well as Defeat, Who Alone bestows help or loss or benefit; none other can benefit nor bestow any such thing. No doubt such an action is a serious violation and it is a “Shirk” (Polytheism), Allah SWT has commanded us to invoke Him and to seek His help; He has promised to respond; and He has also threatened with dire consequences all those who are haughty. He says: “And your Lord says: ‘Call on me, I will answer your (Prayers) but those who are too arrogant to serve Me will surely find themselves in Hell-in humiliation.” (40:60) This verse points out that Invocation is a form of prayer and whoever is arrogant, his ultimate place of abode will be in Hell. If such is the case with regard to one who has had audacity to avoid praying to Allah, what will be condition of a person who invokes other then Allah while Allah SWT is Omnipotent and Omnipresent? The Holy Qur’an says:


“When my servants question you about Me, tell them that I am very close to them. I answer the prayer of every suppliant when he calls Me; therefore, they should respond to Me and put their trust in Me, so that they may be rightly guided.” (Q2:186)


It is narrated in an authentic Tradition that the Prophet SAW advised his cousin Abdullah bin Abbas as follows:

“Remember Allah and He will remember you; remember Allah and ye shall find Him in your path; if you ask, ask from Allah; and if you seek help, seek from Allah.”

And he also said:

“He who dies while praying to someone as rival to Allah, the reward for such person shall be the fire of Hell.” (Narrated by Imam Bukhari)

In another Tradition the Prophet SAW said in an answer to a query as to which is greatest sin:

“ To make someone as rival to Allah, who has created you.”

So anyone prays to other then Allah SWT, seeks his help or gives offering to him or slaughters an animal or offers a prayer to him will be adoption someone as rival to Allah SWT, whether he be a Prophet or devout person or a king or jinn or an idol or anything else. As regards, invocation to a person who is alive and present before you, it is not an act pf Shirk (associationsm) because it is quite normal to seek the help of those around you in matters pertaining to the material life to the extend possible; it is normal and sanctioned practice among Muslims, Allah SWT says in Holy Qur’an:


“In the story pertaining to Moses: “Now the man of his own people appealed to him against his foe.” (28:15)


And another verse pertaining also to the story of Moses, Allah the Almighty says:


“He therefore, got away there from, looking about, in a state of fear,” (28:20)


Man therefore seeks help for his fellow human beings at times of war or at times of difficulties that occur to him and which require the help from others. Allah ordered hi Prophet SAW to convey to the people that he (the Prophet) does not possess for anyone any good nor any harm. The holy Qur’an states:


“O Prophet, say: "I pray only to my Rabb and worship none besides Him." (Q 72:20)

“Say: "I have no control to cause harm or bring you to the Right conduct." (Q72:21)


And


Further tell them: "I have no power to acquire benefit or avert any harm from myself, only that happens which Allah wants. Had I possessed the knowledge of the unseen I would have acquired many benefits to myself; and no harm would have touched me. I am no more than a Warner and bearer of good news for the true believers." (Q 7:188)


Quranic verses on this concept are many in number.

The prophet SAW never invoked anyone other then Allah and he never sought help from anyone other then Him; he beseeched Allah Almighty for victory against the enemy; he persistently prayed to Him saying “O Lord fulfill for me your promise.” He kept repeating these words to the extent that his friend and companion Abu Bakr said: “May it suffice, O Prophet of Allah; Verily Allah will fulfill his promise to you.” In this context, Allah revealed the following verse of the Holy Qur’an:


“ (Remember) When you prayed to your Rabb for help, He answered: "I will assist you with one thousand angels, one after another. "By this good news, Allah sought to comfort your heart, for victory comes only from Allah; surely Allah is Mighty, Wise.” (Q 8:9,10)


Thus the Almighty reminds them of their call for help and how He responded to them by sending reinforcements of Angels to them and victory is not from angels, but Angels were sent to convey the good news of victory and contentment. He says:


“Victory is but from Allah.” (Q 3:126)


And


“Allah helped you at the battle of Badr when you were helpless. Therefore, have fear of Allah; perhaps you may become thankful.” (Q 3:123)


Thus Allah granted help at the Battle of Badr; the weapons, the power to fight and the Angels were all the factors that brought victory and glad tidings; They were only means by which the Divine victory was granted; victory is therefore from Allah only. So how could the lady writer referred to above or anyone seek help and victory from the Prophet SAW and turn away from the Lord of all creations and Omnipresent and Omnipotent?

No doubt, this attitude only betrays ignorance in its worst forms and indeed it is major act of Shirk (Associationism).

It is therefore duty of the writer to repent to Allah SWT in all sincerity and to never repeat such a mistake. Sincere repentance requires total conviction and compliance to what has been ordained by the Allah SWT. And repentance is with regard to the rights of any fallow human beings, such right should be returned to whom they belong or he (the repentant) should obtain an acquittal thereof. Allah has ordered his worshippers to repent and he has promised acceptance of their repentance. He says in holy Quran:


“And O believers! Turn to Allah in repentance; all of you, about you’re past mistakes, so that you may attain salvation.” (Q 24:31)


And he says with regard to the Christians:


“Will they not then turn to Allah and seek His forgiveness? Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.” (Q 5:74)


And Allah Says:


“Who do not invoke any other god besides Allah, nor kill any soul which Allah has made
Sacred, except for a just cause, nor commit fornication - he that does this shall be punished for his sin, and his punishment shall be doubled on the Day of Resurrection and in disgrace he shall abide forever, except the one who repents, becomes a true believer, and starts doing good deeds, for then Allah will change his evil deeds into good, and Allah is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (Q 25:68,69,70)


And Allah says:


“It is He Who accepts repentance from His servants and pardons their sins, and He knows whatever you do.” (Q 42:25)


The Prophet SAW has said:

“Islam obliterates all that has preceded it; and repentance erases all the earlier (Wrong) actions.”

In this brief essay, I have sought to explain the magnitude and danger of the sin of Shirk because it is one of major sins. It is my earnest desire that readers should understand the issue in its right perspective and should not be misled by such writers.

In conclusion, I pray to Allah SWT to make these few words of use to Muslims and may he reform us all and make us proceed always on right path and fortify us with the knowledge of religion and steadfastness in adhering to it. May Allah protect us from the evils ourselves and from our bad actions. Verily He is the Protector and Sustainer. Peace and blessing of Allah be upon His slave and Messenger Muhammad and Members of his Family and his Companions.

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Note: I have transcribed the essay from a booklet. All typos's are my fault.

Wasalaam
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Sheikh ABDUL AZIZ BIN ABDULLAH BIN BAZ, until his recent death, was a pre-eminent Saudi Wahhabi scholar.