Haqiqi Qibla?

[ponga bhori]

Worshiping God is like loving a person.
It brings you closer, not "aloof".
Now do not worship a person, it will only aloof you from God.
ProFrog, interesting question. Thanks.

[ponga bhori]

Just as sharing your love (spousal) with another
women (however little) will bring trouble.
So also, if you worship another God but AllaH will distance (create a gap) between you and Him.

[ponga bhori]

The gap created will be filled in by the Satan, expanding the smallest gap into a huge divide.

[ponga bhori]

Originally posted by profrog:
as for worship how do you know that you are worshiping allah when you pray

It is all in the mind (intention), when truly praying to AllaH you will just know it. Everything is in the mind, it works wonderfully.

[ponga bhori]

It is all in the mind.
Idol worship, and soon the mind shall believe that to be answering your prayers.
ProFrog, please do not start doing that !!!

[ponga bhori]

Originally posted by like_minded:
Tahir,

There's always a price tag

There is no price tag attached for Janaat offer by AllaH. No wealth how ever great will be accepted.

[profrog]

if there is no price price tag for jannat can anybody who is born go to jannat? please reply

[ponga bhori]

ProFrog,

Yes, anyone can. AllaH's offer

[profrog]

even if he is a hindu christian or a kaafir

[ponga bhori]

No, His worship has been compromised, as mentioned few posts above.

[ponga bhori]

ProFrog,
On the lighter side:
I do not know what about the Dawoodi-Bohras, they say something and do else. Each time explaining away an action with "intentions".Their "mind" I do not understand (AllaH knows best). They say Kiblaa this but actually pray facing the Kabaa.

[profrog]

but if there is no price tag for jannat (according to progs ) then what does it matter wether he worships or not or wether its compromised as you say

[profrog]

when you call you wife or girlfriend or children my jaan,what does it mean are they really your heart or also you mean something and think something else

[ponga bhori]

"(according to progs)"
According to me. I cannot say about any one else, they have a mind set of their own.Each one for himself. Finally it is AllaH's jannat (according to me) , or someones else? to give away.
Like I said a few posts above.

[ponga bhori]

Originally posted by profrog:
when you call you wife or girlfriend or children my jaan,what does it mean are they really your heart or also you mean something and think something else

ProFrog,
I have repeated many times, it is all in your own mind. How am I going to know your mind Like I explained I cannot always understand what's going in some one else's mind. I can only attach my tinking to someone else's words (action) but cannot know what is really in his mind. Each one to his very own mind.

[ponga bhori]

Let me explain further:
Like there may be a man who says my child is my Jaan, he may be saying it figuratively. But he may also be thinking it lit. And he would loose his life on his child's death. All in the mind.

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by Muslim First:
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Incidentally why not take your own advice and read up on imamate.

Where?
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MF, you surely have heard of the Holy Qur'an? THATS where!! i will begin by presenting to you something to ponder.......

Status of Imamat
Allah has bestowed the illustrious status of Imamat upon our Imams (a.s) not without any reason or wisdom. Allah Himself alludes to this fact in the noble Quran when He declares....

‘So when they were patient, We made them Imams from amongst themselves who guide the people by Our commands.’
(Surah Sajdah, Verse 24)

This brief verse highlights four crucial points:
1. ‘We have made them as Imams.’
This shows that the right of appointing an Imam rests exclusively with Allah and with none else. This is a matter of appointment of an Imam for the entire creation and not a matter of appointing some ‘Imam’ for congregational prayers in a local mosque.
2. Min Hoom (from amongst them)
Allah has appointed only a few from the nation for this crucial position. This shows that each and every person is not eligible for this rank. Allah sees the qualities and abilities and only then does He bestow this honor.
3. ‘who guide the people by Our commands.’
They guide the people by Our commands and orders. There are two types of systems prevalent in the universe viz. (a) Khalq (creation) and (b) Amr (order). The system of creation is that system wherein the things come into existence through the normal process of “cause and effect”. For instance the sperm gradually (after passing through various stages) is converted into a man. Or a seed after undergoing through the normal processes finally becomes a tree. On the other hand, in the system of ‘Amr’ - which is superior to the system of creation - things don’t move through the normal process. Nor is time and space a pre-condition for the actualization of the outcome. Here only the intention of ‘Be’ is sufficient. As Allah says in the Quran:
‘His command - when He intends anything - is only to say, “Be” and it becomes.’(Surah Yasin, Verse 82)

[Muslim First]

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turbocanuk

Is this your tafseer or copied from soewhere.

If so we usually give source.

[porus]

turbocanuk,

Have you looked at the preceding ayat of as-Sajadah, ayat 23?

The last sentence reads : "wa ja'alna-hu hudan li bani israel" (And we appointed him (Musa) a guide for Bani Israel).

Could it be that "a'imma min-hum' which translates to "Imams from among them" refers to Imams from Bani Israel?

[porus]

Originally posted by porus:

Have you looked at the preceding ayat of as-Sajadah, ayat 23?

The last sentence reads : "wa ja'alna-hu hudan li bani israel" (And we appointed him (Musa) a guide for Bani Israel).

Since the ayat 23 refers to the 'kitab' given to Musa, the above could also be translated as "And we appointed it(kitab) a guide for Bani Israel".

Quran, here, allows multiple interpretations.

In 24, a'immat (imams) could also refer to the pages of the kitab, which, perhaps, is the Tauraat.

Both 11:17 and 46:12 also allude to book as the Imam. Both these ayats are also in connection with Musa.

[Muslim First]

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Porus
Thakns

turbocanuk,

Do not pick and choose from Qura'an what you like and ignore what you do not like.

Qura'n tells us to do Salah, Hujj, Not to involeve in gambling or sny thing related to Alcohol or give our daughters to non Muslims. So it cuts both ways.

Take care. Read this section comletely. Its wierd and shocking for a Muslim to read.
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[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by Muslim First:
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Porus
Thakns

turbocanuk,

Do not pick and choose from Qura'an what you like and ignore what you do not like.

Qura'n tells us to do Salah, Hujj, Not to involeve in gambling or sny thing related to Alcohol or give our daughters to non Muslims. So it cuts both ways.

Take care. Read this section comletely. Its wierd and shocking for a Muslim to read.
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what are you an alter ego of that "anajma"? condemning at any cost. tell me if the Holy Prophet PBUH didnt make lean on racing camels? and in case you didnt know, we are one with christians, jews whether you like it or not. we are all people of the book and all believers in the family of Ibrahim. so go and spew your garbage at some wahabbi infested forum.

[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by Muslim First:
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turbocanuk

Is this your tafseer or copied from soewhere.

If so we usually give source.

Why? is it against posting rules? seems to be okay when you do your postings, choosing and selecting verses/ayats which serve your wahabbi brand. BTW did you read my posting about "why muslims are so powerless"? case in point. learn to spell first.!!

[Muslim First]

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Turbo

Please clerify this statement:

condemning at any cost. tell me if the Holy Prophet PBUH didnt make lean on racing camels?

Prophet raced horses and camels for fun and awarded small prizes to winners.

Aga Khan breeds and runs horses to race on racecourses. Rich and poor people place bets on them. Return on bets is favorable to Track owners. Lot of people gets ruined on this addictive gambling. Gambling is Haraam in Islam. To aid and abate in gambling is Haraam also (Period).

[Muslim First]

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turbo

Why? is it against posting rules?

Nothing here is against rules. It is more scholarly to post source.

Br. Porus translates and posts his own Tafseer so he does not post sources.
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[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by Muslim First:
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Turbo

Please clerify this statement:

condemning at any cost. tell me if the Holy Prophet PBUH didnt make lean on racing camels?

Prophet raced horses and camels for fun and awarded small prizes to winners.

Aga Khan breeds and runs horses to race on racecourses. Rich and poor people place bets on them. Return on bets is favorable to Track owners. Lot of people gets ruined on this addictive gambling. Gambling is Haraam in Islam. To aid and abate in gambling is Haraam also (Period).

IF you can read AND process in your Petty mind.......

Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to make lean by training horses which
he
employed in the race.

*****Dawud, Book 14, Number 2571:

Narrated Abdullah ibn Umar:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to hold a race between horses and kept
the one in the fifth year at a long distance.

*****Dawud, Book 14, Number 2573:

Narrated AbuHurayrah:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: If one enters a horse with two others
when he is not certain that it cannot be beaten, it is not gambling; but
when
one enters a horse with two others when he is certain it cannot be beaten,
it
is gambling.

*****Dawud, Book 14, Number 2575:

Narrated Imran ibn Husayn:

The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: There must be no shouting or leading
another horse at one's side. Yahya added in his tradition: When racing for a
wager.

*****Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 412:

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:

Allah's Apostle ordered for a horse race; the trained horses were to run
from
a place called Al-Hafya' to Thaniyat Al-Wada' and the horses which were not
trained were to run from Al-Thaniya to the Masjid (mosque of) Bani Zuraiq.

The sub narrator added: Ibn Umar was one of those who took part in the race.

*****Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 120:

Narrated ('Abdullah) bin 'Umar:

The Prophet arranged for a horse race amongst the horses that had been made
lean to take place between Al-Hafya'' and Thaniyat Al-Wada' (i.e. names of
two places) and the horses which had not been made lean from Ath-Thaniyat to
the mosque of Bani Zuraiq.

I was also amongst those who took part in that horse race. Sufyan, a
sub-narrator, said, "The distance between Al-Hafya and Thaniya Al-Wada' is
five or six miles; and between Thaniya and the mosque of Bani Zuraiq is one
mile."

*****Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 121:

Narrated Abdullah:

The Prophet arranged for a horse race of the horses which had not been made
lean; the area of the race was from Ath-Thaniya to the mosque of Bani
Zuraiq.
The sub-narrator said, "'Abdullah bin 'Umar was amongst those who
participated in that horse race."

*****Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 52, Number 122:

Narrated Abu Ishaq from Musa bin 'Uqba from Mafia from Ibn 'Umar who said:

"Allah's Apostle arranged a horse race amongst the horses that had been made
lean, letting them start from Al-Hafya' and their limit (distance of
running)
was up to Thaniyat-al-Wada'. I asked Musa, 'What was the distance between
the
two places?' Musa replied, 'Six or seven miles. He arranged a race of the
horses which had not been made lean sending them from Thaniyat-al-Wada', and
their limit was up to the mosque of Bani Zuraiq.'

I asked, 'What was the distance between those two places?' He replied 'One
mile or so.' Ibn 'Umar was amongst those who participated in that horse
race."

*****Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 92, Number 436:

Narrated Nafi:

Abdullah said, "The Prophet arranged for a horse race, and the prepared
horses were given less food for a few days before the race to win the race,
and were allowed to run from Al-Hafya to Thaniyat-al-Wada', and the
unprepared horses were allowed to run between Thaniyat-al-Wada' and the
mosque of Bani Zuraiq," 'Abdullah was one of those who participated in the
race.'

*****Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 839:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, "A horse may be kept for one of three purposes: for a man
it may be a source of reward; for another it may be a means of living; and
for a third it may be a burden (a source of committing sins). As for the one
for whom it is a source of reward, he is the one who keeps his horse for the
sake of Jihad in Allah's Cause; he ties it with a long rope on a pasture or
in a garden. So whatever its rope allows it to eat, will be regarded as good
rewardable deeds (for its owner). And if it breaks off its rope and jumps
over one or two hillocks, even its dung will be considered amongst his good
deeds. And if it passes by a river and drinks water from it, that will be
considered as good deeds for his benefit) even if he has had no intention of
watering it.

A horse is a shelter for the one who keeps it so that he may earn his living
honestly and takes it as a refuge to keep him from following illegal ways
(of
gaining money), and does not forget the rights of Allah (i.e. paying the
Zakat and allowing others to use it for Allah's Sake). But a horse is a
burden (and a source of committing sins for him who keeps it out of pride
and
pretense and with the intention of harming the Muslims."

The Prophet was asked about donkeys. He replied, "Nothing has been revealed
to be concerning them except this comprehensive Verse (which covers
everything) :--'Then whosoever has done good equal to the weight of an atom
(or a small ant), Shall see it (its reward) And whosoever has done evil
equal
to the weight of an atom (or a small ) ant), Shall see it (Its punishment)."
(99.7-8)

*****Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 40, Number 559:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "Keeping horses may be a source of reward to some
(man), a shelter to another (i.e. means of earning one's living), or a
burden
to a third. He to whom the horse will be a source of reward is the one who
keeps it in Allah's Cause (prepare it for holy battles) and ties it by a
long
rope in a pasture (or a garden). He will get a reward equal to what its long
rope allows it to eat in the pasture or the garden, and if that horse
breaks its rope and crosses one or two hills, then all its foot-steps and
its
dung will be counted as good deeds for its owner; and if it passes by a
river and drinks from it, then that will also be regarded as a good deed for
its owner even if he has had no intention of watering it then.

Horses are a shelter from poverty to the second person who keeps horses for
earning his living so as not to ask others, and at the same time he gives
Allah's right (i.e. Zakat, from the wealth he earns through using them in
trading etc.,) and does not overburden them. He who keeps horses just out of
pride and for showing off and as a means of harming the Muslims, his horses
will be a source of sins to him." When Allah's Apostle was asked about
donkeys, he replied, "Nothing particular was revealed to me regarding
donkeys."

*****Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 837:

Narrated Ibn Umar:

Allah's Apostle said, "There is always goodness in horses till the Day of
Resurrection. "

*****Muslim, Book 19, Number 4614:

Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:

"I saw that the Messenger of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) was twisting the
forelock of a horse with his fingers and was saying: (A great) benefit, i.e.
reward (for rearing them for Jihad) and spoils of war, has been tied to the
forelocks of horses until the Day of Judgment."

[porus]

Originally posted by porus:
In 24, a'immat (imams) could also refer to the pages of the kitab, which, perhaps, is the Tauraat.

I wish to correct myself. 'Imams' cannot refer to the pages of the kitab. That is because 'min-hum' is 'from them', referring to the plural antecedant. The only plural antecedant in the previous ayat is 'Bani Israel', not the singular 'kitab'.

[Muslim First]

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Turbo
Look why are we having this discussion
We had this racing discussion with other Ismailies about 4 times.

Your MHI being noor ala noor (God on Earth) on this earth can do anything he wants.

As far as Muslim is concerned a good Muslim has to pray 5 time as close to Prophetic way as possible.

He has to fast in Ramadan

He has to give Zakat

He has to do Hujj once in life time.

He does not do all the ceremoney described on Ismaili.net bacause for him they are Bida (Innovation).

Anybody who does not do Salat, Roza or Hujj has taken himself out of Islam.

End of discussion.

You would be better off doing your Dua and Bandagi.

Have a good day
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[turbocanuck]

Originally posted by Muslim First:
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Turbo
Look why are we having this discussion
We had this racing discussion with other Ismailies about 4 times.

Your MHI being noor ala noor (God on Earth) on this earth can do anything he wants.

As far as Muslim is concerned a good Muslim has to pray 5 time as close to Prophetic way as possible.

He has to fast in Ramadan

He has to give Zakat

He has to do Hujj once in life time.

He does not do all the ceremoney described on Ismaili.net bacause for him they are Bida (Innovation).

Anybody who does not do Salat, Roza or Hujj has taken himself out of Islam.

End of discussion.

You would be better off doing your Dua and Bandagi.

Have a good day
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MF........Who died and made you God? Who are you to judge us? Let Allah judge us on akhirat. And who said we dont recite salat? you are too retarded to even discuss in depth. We do it our way which is prescribed by the IMAM-E-ZAMAN, who has the duty and the Highest authority for Ismaili muslims to guide them according to modern times. This is too complicated for simple minds like yourselves who like to belittle any other muslims

"Allah has mentioned in Sura "Alhujrat" that We have made you different families & tribes, so that you can recognise each other"

instead of uplifting yourselves, the murderous wahabbi fanatics like..... <img src="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Image ... -jihad.jpg" alt=" - " />

like to take our cause to portray Islam as areligion of peace and pluralism back centuries. Now MF tell me. Can you tell me if the innocent children you see in the picture will one day become decent contributors to society? will any of them become doctors,lawyers or engineers? quite frankly, Maybe the Almighty has different plans so a renaissance of splendour can become a reality. Why are we muslims the brunt bearers of all worldly problems? right from occupation to tsunamis to earthquakes. It is a wonder.
You idiots can preach hatred, kill, rape and destroy all in the name of Allah. Thank Allah for moderate muslims of the world. At least we will attempt some "damage" control by presenting a different side of Islam.

[anajmi]

turbonut,

The blame for the state of these children is a direct result of the apathy of the Hazar Imam. If the true Imam, the true descendent of Hazrat Ali had been worried about these children, he would've done something for them. It is the duty of the Amirul Mumineen to show light to these lost people. Why is he more interested in raising good horses than good muslims?