Who are bigger terrorists,The ones in Mumbai or Americans

[anajmi]

but those who don't have the Quran

I know you don't have the quran. That is why I told you I will give you one, free of cost. Alhumdulillah, Allah has made his word easily accessible to all those who wish to benefit from it.

[anajmi]

Infact three things current in the time of the prophet were prohibited by Umar

You will need to give authentic references. Besides, why didn't Hazrat Ali reinstate them during his own khilafat.

namely temporary marriage;

There is no concept of temporary marriage in the quran. This was created by people to satisfy their lusts.

marriage during hajj

Need references that marriages were allowed by the prophet during Hajj.

exhortation "hayya ala khayri 'l amal"

Need references that this was a part of the Adhan during the time of the prophet. Do Ismailis call any kind of Adhan?

does the Quran prescribe what prayers to recite and not recite?

Which quran are you talking about? The hidden quran does. That is why I said quran and the sunnah of the prophet. But you are an ismaili. You will understand only half the sentence. Let me clarify by saying that...

[Fatwa Banker]

You will need to give authentic references. Need references that marriages were allowed by the prophet during Hajj, Need references that this was a part of the Adhan during the time of the prophet, Which quran are you talking about?

If you asked this of your fellow Wahabi terrorist brethren, maybe Islam would one day be accepted as a "Religion of Peace" (which it is not), but asking that of a fellow Muslim tells you why Obama had to remove two Hijab wearing young women from his photo op. Associating with your ilk is trouble, people die....and innocent Muslims pay the price.

[anajmi]

fart bank,

Please stop your nonsense. I don't have any wahhabi terrorist brethrens. Fools like you should realize that friggin you on this board is not the same as murdering innocents. Don't give yourself that much credit. You aren't worth it. Even if there is no more terrorism left on earth, you will still be easy meat on this board.

[znanwalla]

"...I know you don't have the quran. That is why I told you I will give you one, free of cost. Alhumdulillah, Allah has made his word easily accessible to all those who wish to benefit from it...."


hahahahahh! where on amazon and wikiepedia sites? who told you HE - the Exalted has made it "easily" accesible? Not at all....or else He would never say that "HE guides unto HIS NOOR whomsoever HE Wills..."

You are deluded ! We have the real Quran ! Allah's Quran ! You have the fake Book given to you by Umar and that is why you have to depend on amazon and wikiepedia and islamcity....you are just retarded Najmi...and that is because you follow Maherally who follows Mir Bose !

You don't even know your own books....you have even called your own Imams "useless".....you are full of contradictions....I think you are a mental case....you need help !

Maybe you should have yourself checked out....maybe your lithium level is off....you show symptoms of "bi-polar" attitude as you swing like a pendulum...only an abnormal person does this....zn

[Fatwa Banker]

I don't have any wahhabi terrorist brethrens.

Yeah, right, Uh..uhm, and no one else does either, they just fall from the sky without brothers, sisters, parents, aunts or uncles. They are disowned by everyone except the 72 virgins, but it appears that there are not many virgins left either, as you advised us that they are now paying cash.

[anajmi]

znan,

it makes perfect sense. The quran is easily accessible and the Ismailis still don't have it. So you are right - Allah says "HE guides unto HIS NOOR whomsoever HE Wills..." And in which quran does Allah say this? The easily accessible quran. What an irony and what a stupid Ismaili.

fart bank,

Once in a while you should read your own posts. You will find gems like these - "It is okay not to respond when someone cleans your clock."

[znanwalla]

"..Need references that marriages were allowed by the prophet during Hajj...."

Najmi, it is clear you are ignorant and I will tell you why?....nowadays, it is allowed to marry during hajj but ofcourse contrary to Umar's wish 9which you never denied)...now this is strange that people have ignored what Umar says on this issue...and so if you now maintain that it wasn't allowed during the Prophet's time also , then you have to explain to me why you guys are today pursuing this practice of marrying during hajj...so now go and check....and know for yourself you are truly stupid and someone from the pit latrines of the slums of MF land...and so it is clear that it was allowed also during the time of the Prophet or else people would NOt be doing this today bypassing what Umar wanted...right Mr Ignorant?.....

The easily accessible Quran ? there is the Real one and the fake one ! and I have proved it to you that Umar Book is NOt Allah's Book but a like thereof which even Allah disdains and does not protect....why do you think you all are screwed up and blowing yourselves like bufoons and waiting for pure women in the heavens when you can't even explain to us if your wives are pure or not?....


zn

[anajmi]

So once more you pulled something out of your butt and attributed it to the Khalifa of Islam. What a shameless piece of Ismaili crap you are!!

[znanwalla]

Najmi,...You are the biggest shit najmi and most shameless and so the beam is now in your eyes pal......and

in reality your clock is running backwards because you have been sitting behind MF so much that all else for you moves in the rear order and that is the first sign of retardation and old age....so now tell me what have Urfi and Misyar marriages which Sunnis do? what do you have to say about them? if Muta is unacceptable to you then your youths are exploiting Urfi and Misyar to find reasons to pursue legalized prostitution sanctioned by your mullahs....what about that pal?....your cult brothers visits brothels and sleeps with their own sister and mothers as all muslim women other than your own are "haram" to you and yet you consider what is legitimate to you as impure (as per you ahadith ) and you go in search for the "pure" ones?....now this is decadence and totally unislamic !...You are supposed to make your women move naked in the houses as per Umar....but you don't do this...why? don't you love Umar who gave you the fake Quran?....zn

[pardesi]

pardesi,

I found the meaning of the word salah. It means the way the prophet (saw) used to pray 5 times a day at set times. The morning salaah is known as Fajr, the afternoon one as zuhr, the late afternoon one as asr, the evening salaah is maghrib and the night salaah is Eisha. There are more details. You want them too? Like the actual act, what to recite in each rakat, how many rakats in each salaah etc etc. That is all a part of the meaning of the word salaah in the quran. Responding to idiots is always fun.

You got my question all wrong Najmi. I didn't ask for you interpretation of the word Salaah. I asked for the actual meaning of the word Salaah. You know like one word, one meaning? Simple. This idiot I am trying to answer does not understand 4 line meaning of one simple word. Help me out now brother.

[anajmi]

More incoherent blabber. Time to go to sleep.

[anajmi]

my dear brother pardesi,

You cannot find a one word interpretation of salaah in Islam. If you can, then it is not Islam and not according to what the prophet taught. It is Ismaili fiction. In Ismaili fiction, the entire quran has been translated in two words - "Hazar Imam". But that doesn't make it a fact. Only fiction.

[pardesi]

my dear brother pardesi,

You cannot find a one word interpretation of salaah in Islam. If you can, then it is not Islam and not according to what the prophet taught. It is Ismaili fiction. In Ismaili fiction, the entire quran has been translated in two words - "Hazar Imam". But that doesn't make it a fact. Only fiction.

Najmi,

I did not ask for a one word interpretation. I asked for a one word meaning of the "WORD" Salaah. How hard can it be. I promise I am not trying to trick you. It is this idiot I am dealing with who keeps going in circles.

[znanwalla]

Lo ! Najmi...who is incoherent here? did he ask you to describe the practice or methodolgy or why you pray what you pray?...Pardesi asked one simple question...what is the meaning of salat?...you are going off on tangent.....and you are trying to convince us that based on certain assumptions, you all are assuming that one must only pray five times in a day....this is your belief and not sanctioned by the Quran at all.....infact soem of you have even come out with fairy tales that the angel had whispered in Prophet's ears during Meraj that people should pray 5 times......right? and so in itself contradicts what you are saying.....you are just an imbecile Najmi.....it is only your general belief to pray 5 times....do you know the Prophet prayed at 9 am in the morning daily...he used to pray when he was sad or if there was no rain or if there was a storm....in the Quran the great emphasis is on the prayers in the morning, in the evening and in the night and so what is obligatory is "salatul fajr); "salatul maghrib" and "salatul Asha" ( equivalen to salatul Wusta).....how can there be any restriction on prayers?

In the first 10 or 11 years of naboowat there was no fixed time for prayers or no fixed prayer even and so what crap are you giving us here by saying it is in the Quran and that is what you are doing when you are going in the reverse order........if it was in the Quran then why did it take so long for the muslims to regulate and that too when the prophet was still alive?....take your bull elsewhere pal...zn

[znanwalla]

Pardesi, this Mf imbecile has no answer as usual....these ignorant fools depend on other ignorants like Maherally and Mir Bose and they are useless when it comes to answering our questions....shame on you Najmi ! you boaster ! you can't even explain what is the meaning of "salat"....pardesi, just be careful...he might tell you it is "namaz"....hahahahahhh!!!....zn

[znanwalla]

Najmi,

C/mon ! you junkie ! sala is an arabic word ! if you know the Quran as you claim, then the meaning is simple ! don't give us lectures on how many times you pray in a day....just tell us the meaning ! what are you afraid of? God mentions sala in the Quran..so you imbeciles should know what it means instead of pretending you are so pious..zn

[anajmi]

pardesi,

I promise I am not trying to trick you.

You don't have to worry about that. You can turn into a monkey and you still won't be able to trick me.

It is this idiot I am dealing with who keeps going in circles.

Well, if you still trying to deal with an idiot going around in circles, then you are a bigger idiot.

I did not ask for a one word interpretation. I asked for a one word meaning of the "WORD" Salaah.

Oh.....you want a one word meaning of the word salaah. So you are too dumb to understand more than one word. More than one word will probably take you around in circles too. OK so we will take it one word at a time. The word for today is FIVE. It is also written as 5. We will take up the next word tomorrow.

[anajmi]

sala is an arabic word

HAHA HAHA. Sala is not an arabic word. Sala is my wife's brother.

[znanwalla]

Good ! congratulations ! at least hang on to your "sala" but dont ride scooters with him....at least we now know you don't know the meaning of salat ! and so as always we hear your bitchiness.....zn

[znanwalla]

but then with their monkery you have already been fooled with interpolations and false ahadith which you are now waving at the world ! hahahahahah! just imagine had they been real monkeys, you would be where? hanging on a tree like apes and swines which the Quran says some folks have become.....and this suits you so well now with the type of behaviour that we see and all of us witness here from your end....zn

[pardesi]

Never mind Anajmi, I found it. Thanks for your help though.

[znanwalla]

yeah ! never mind ! go and play with your "sala" to know what is "salat"?...hahahahahh!

[anajmi]

pardesi,

You are welcome. Now remember. Not more than one word per post ok!!

znan,

I guess that is how they teach salat in the jamatkhana huh!! Is that the reason why your Hazar Imam had to marry twice? Couldn't learn salat from one wife's sala, I guess.

[Muslim First]

Perdesi Bhai

If you are looking for meaning od Salah for one "idiot".

Here I am sitting with a Qur'an translation which has Glossary of meaning of Qur'anic arabic words.

This is what this "idiot" found on page 1149 of "Interpretation of the Meaning of THE NOBLE QUR'AN" in English language by Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali & Dr. M. Nushin Khan

As-Salat : See Iqamat-as-Salat

Iqamat-as-Salat:

The performance of As-Salat (the prayers), This is not understood by many Muslims. It means:

(A) Each and every Muslim, male or female, is oblidge to offer Salat (prayers) regualarly 5 tiems a day at specified times; the male in the Masjids in congression and female at home. As the Prophet SAW has said: "Order your children to offer Salat (prayers) at the age of 7 and chastisize them (about it) at the age of 10". The chief (of family, town, tribe etc.) and Muslim ruler of a country are held responsible before Allah SWT in case of non-fulfillment of of this obligation by the Muslims under his authority.

(B) To perform the Salat (Prayers) in a way just as Prophet SAW used to perform it with the rules and regulations, i.e. standing, bowing, prostrationg, sitting, etc. as he has said:
"Perform your Salat (Prayer) the way you see me performing it." [9:352-O.B.] [Please se Ahadith No.s 702, 703, 704,723, 786, 787 Vol I, Shaih Al-Bukhari for the Prophet's way of offering Salat (Prayer), inthe Book of Characteristics of the Salat (Prayer) and that the Salat begins with Takbir (Allahu-Akbar) with the recitation of Surah Al-Fatiha etc. along with its various postures, standig, bowing, Prostrations, sitting etc. and ends in Taslim.

Now my personal note and humble request to you pardesi Bhai.

We have gone back and forth on this subject and become testy many tiems. This is a matter of suprime faith for us Muslims (That includes Sunni and all Shia except devient Ismailis) who believe in As-Salat as duty and those who are observent perform faithfully in accordance of the understanding of their own Fiqh. I must admit that we have differences in hand positions, combining of prayers, number of Adhans and wordings etc. etc.. Despite these differences you will find Muslims (Shia and Sunni) answering call of prayers all around this earth. I am surprised that Muslim prayers are belittled by those who want to be identified as Momins.

I will have no further discussion of As-Salat with Ismailis unless it is in respectful manner and for gaining understanding.

(All errors in transcribing are mine)

Wasalaam

[pardesi]

Perdesi Bhai

If you are looking for meaning od Salah for one "idiot".

Here I am sitting with a Qur'an translation which has Glossary of meaning of Qur'anic arabic words.

This is what this "idiot" found on page 1149 of "Interpretation of the Meaning of THE NOBLE QUR'AN" in English language by Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilali & Dr. M. Nushin Khan

Thank you Brother MF. But please don't call yourself an idiot. The idiot that I was referring to in my posts was a different one. Unfortunately what I was looking for was a translation/meaning of the word "Salat" not an interpretation. But I have got it now. Thanks for taking the trouble.

Now my personal note and humble request to you pardesi Bhai.

We have gone back and forth on this subject and become testy many tiems. This is a matter of suprime faith for us Muslims (That includes Sunni and all Shia except devient Ismailis) who believe in As-Salat as duty and those who are observent perform faithfully in accordance of the understanding of their own Fiqh. I must admit that we have differences in hand positions, combining of prayers, number of Adhans and wordings etc. etc.. Despite these differences you will find Muslims (Shia and Sunni) answering call of prayers all around this earth. I am surprised that Muslim prayers are belittled by those who want to be identified as Momins.

I will have no further discussion of As-Salat with Ismailis unless it is in respectful manner and for gaining understanding.

I do understand your sentiments and ofcourse I will respect them. During the course of a debate things get testy and you feel offended and hence your reluctance to discuss the matter of salat "unless it is in respectful manner and for gaining understanding". When was the last time you guys debated with us without attacking our Imam and his family within the first two posts? Could you accord the same respect and manner to us when you and your partners discuss Ismaili tariqa, their beliefs, their Imams and their families. Treat others the same way you want to be treated. Isn't it just fair? I don't remember ever ridiculing Islam or its fundamentals. Its a different thing we question your understanding of it.

The idiot in my post was an even bigger idiot when he answered and the way he answered a very simple question I asked. The meaning of the word "salat". There was a reason why I asked that question. Even you gave me a three paragraph "translation" of the word "salat". I did deduce the meaning of "salat" from one of your lines "....salat (prayers)". Salat does not mean prayers however it is the general understanding. Although I got a very good answer from one of your own from a local mosque and I agree with him, I just wanted to see what you guys believe it means.

Nevertheless, I think you got my point I was trying to make when I asked that question to Anajmi. It was to answer one of his own statements.

Coming back to respecting the beliefs and sentiments of others, please think about playing on neutral turf and according the same respect, rights and dignity to us that you expect for yourself in the first place.

Just to let you and others know that I will be traveling on the road the rest of the day and may not be able to answer until later tonight. I know the idiot-e-azam will think I am trying to hide.

[anajmi]

It was to answer one of his own statements.

Which statement? You want an answer from me to answer one of my own statements? That sounds like an idiot going around in circles.

[pardesi]

It was to answer one of his own statements.

Which statement? You want an answer from me to answer one of my own statements? That sounds like an idiot going around in circles.

Do your own homework. Look up your posts and you will find it. I am only sitting on the sidelines and watching an idiot making circles. Oh wait! That is you!!! Oh what the hell, here is another one for you

[anajmi]

I did my homework. That is how I can deal with idiots. Now, since you cannot point out my statement, you are a lying idiot going around in circles.

[pardesi]

I did my homework. That is how I can deal with idiots. Now, since you cannot point out my statement, you are a lying idiot going around in circles.

Apparently you failed the test. So quit boasting. Read my question and then look up your posts from the same day. It doesn't take a genius. Even you will find it if you look. My unwillingness does not make me "a lying idiot going around in circles". I am not lying about anthing. You just don't want to look. It makes you an even bigger idiot. OK I tell you what - you answer my question and if it is correct I will show it to you.