Syedna in Mumbasa

[Gulf]

admin, its time now to close this thread dont u think, because people have run out of things to say about syedna in mombasa.

Stupid!!!
why do you want to kill a live thread????
You hypocrite and do not beleive in natural life and natural death.... ?
same rule applies everywhere.

[Humsafar]

Great Barrier,

I see that you've conveniently ignored my post:
http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... =90#p55918

Should I conclude that you've no answer or that you now agree with I've to say?

[Al Zulfiqar]

admin, its time now to close this thread dont u think, because people have run out of things to say about syedna in mombasa.

Stupid!!!
why do you want to kill a live thread????
You hypocrite and do not beleive in natural life and natural death.... ?
same rule applies everywhere.

so much concern for a 'live thread', but no concern for the live animals whom yr syedna kills for enjoyment?

now who is the bigger hypocrite or dhongi...??????

[Al-Muizz]

What can I say,

Empty cans make the most noise....lm are you doin drugs, hermano? What the $@## does "I believe in my own self" mean? That's more moronic that Deepak Chopra's rubbish!

Sheesh, The Prophet SAW was right when he said the Quran AND THE ITRAT.....Evidently Wahabis like lm have a pea sized frontal lobe to absorb the former but not the latter...............

GO PRAY A TARAVEEZ YOU DAMNED WAHABI!

So, then, what do the rest of you jokers believe in?

I believe in my own self, Is it hard for you to contemplate? For me it's very easy and simple.


DOESN'T THIS GO AGAINST THE VERY TEACHING OF THE PROPHET? IT MAKES YOU ALL NON-MUSLIMS!

Try teaching, the teachings of Prophet to your bawa shafiq! He is the one, badly in need of it!

Tell you what.... why don't you take those pages which he reads out during his bayaans, bind them up, make a book out of it.... then shove it up his back side ... sideways and hammer it up... That will surely do him some good.

[Maqbool]

No it was not rumors.

I got the report from the person who was present at the site when stamped happened.

Sayedna was taking purso of Imam Husein after magrib namaz of Asura. There was rush and in between a person asked Badrul Jamali a glass of water. The person was not aware that this is a blue blood man. The shezada got angry and told a volunteer to remove him. This fellow got annoyed and slapped the shezada, in this lots of hulla bulla happened and one man died and few injured.

The next day it was purso for Shaiks and this time the Badrul jamali was removed from the seen just for punishment.

[SBM]

What is a TARAVEEZ, if you are talking about Taraveeh prayers during Ramadan, what is wrong with it, It is better to listen to recitation of Quran than to listen to Ghanoo Jivoo ghanoo jivo...........and reciting national anthem WAZA AE FUNA.....

What can I say,

Empty cans make the most noise....lm are you doin drugs, hermano? What the $@## does "I believe in my own self" mean? That's more moronic that Deepak Chopra's rubbish!

Sheesh, The Prophet SAW was right when he said the Quran AND THE ITRAT.....Evidently Wahabis like lm have a pea sized frontal lobe to absorb the former but not the latter...............

GO PRAY A TARAVEEZ YOU DAMNED WAHABI

[ghulam muhammed]

Till a decade or so ago there was an unsual and stupid practice amongst the bohras. At the fag end of the bayan on the day of Ashura and after creating a frenzied atmosphere and emotionally charging the bohras till the point that they went bersek, Burhanudin saab used to be literally lifted by his agents and stormed all the way to the qibla. The reason .... the gullible and fanatic bohras used to storm at his 'takht' and pull down the white cloth on which he sat and every bohra was to outbeat the other in tearing and taking away a bigger part of the cloth for the sake of barkat. It was a scene to be watched seeing a bunch of bohras falling over one another to get a piece of the 'holy cloth'. So much for the ridiculous and mad beliefs prevailing in the community. Iam not aware whether the practice is still in force as I have had the pleasure of not attending his rhetoric, stereotyped and meaningless vayez since more then two decades.

[Al-Muizz]

Omabharti,

RasulAllah (SAW) NEVER prayed this fictitious IMAMAT namaaz called TARAVEEH. Think about it...THERE ARE ONLY 5-FIVE-COMPULSORY NAMAAZ--ALL FIVE-FIVE- COMPULSORY NAMAAZ ARE PERFORMED BY IMAMAT. HOW THE @#$% DO YOU CREATE ANOTHER COMPULSORY IMAMAT NAMAAZ AFTER THE PROPHET SAID THE RELIGION IS COMPLETE????

WHO DO YOU THINK ADDED THIS JOKE OF A NAMAAZ? THESE DUMB WAHABIS RUN LIKE THE AFTER THANKSGIVING SALE FOR THE TARAVEEH, BUT DON'T GIVE A DAMN FOR THE 5-FIVE-COMPLUSORY PRAYERS?!?!?!?

DON'T GET TRAPPED BY THE SO-CALLED IBADAT THEY PERCEIVE THEY ARE DOING. IT IS HARRAM! HOW CAN YOU CREATE YOUR OWN ADDITION TO THIS DEEN? DON'T YOU SEE WHY IMAMA HUSAYN GAVE HIS LIFE? TO GET RID OF SUCH STUPID CORRUPTIONS IN ISLAM!

SO, ONCE AGAIN, GO PRAY YOUR DAMNED TARAVEEH, YOUR DAMNED WAHABI!

[Al Zulfiqar]

muizz,

writing in capital letters is akin to shouting and yelling. but i am willing to make a concession in yr 'case', as this often a side-effect of being in a stupor when overworked drivng airport taxis and being on narcotics and tranquilisers.

are u joining the syedna on his next hunting trip? heard that he will be celebrating his mother's urus (syedna taher saifuddins first wife) in the safari park?

[SBM]

Quote by Al Muizz
"Think about it...THERE ARE ONLY 5-FIVE-COMPULSORY NAMAAZ--ALL FIVE-FIVE- COMPULSORY NAMAAZ ARE PERFORMED BY IMAMAt"

No you are wrong again, how about Eid Namaaz, do you do that with Imamat or without Imamat. BTW Taraveeh Namaz are not Fard the only reason it is done by Imamat because of the Hafizul Quran Now if you do not want to pray no one forces you to do it but you can sit in the back and listen to the recitation of Quran ( This is what is told in the Sunni Masjid I go for Taraveeh and I do see some people sitting the back and listening to Quran)

[SBM]

Quote by Al Muizz
"DON'T GET TRAPPED BY THE SO-CALLED IBADAT THEY PERCEIVE THEY ARE DOING. IT IS HARRAM! HOW CAN YOU CREATE YOUR OWN ADDITION TO THIS DEEN? DON'T YOU SEE WHY IMAMA HUSAYN GAVE HIS LIFE? TO GET RID OF SUCH STUPID CORRUPTIONS IN ISLAM!"
So once again let us take your argument point by point
It is Harram How can you create your own addition to this Deen
So how about 2 Rakat of Namaz for TUS for his long life, that is an addition, also adding Maatam after each Namaaz that is an addition, No other Shia sect does that except for Dawoodi Bohra
-Don't you see why Imama Husayn Gave his life?
correct he did not give his life so Syedna can go around and after Ashura have Ziyafats and distribute Shawls to corrupt officials like Narendra Modi and Bal Thackrey. Imam Husain fought against corrupt regime instead of schmoozing with them.

[Al Zulfiqar]

"DON'T GET TRAPPED BY THE SO-CALLED IBADAT THEY PERCEIVE THEY ARE DOING. IT IS HARRAM!"

muizz,

since u are so concerned with haraam, what can be a bigger haraam than the syedna, supposedly a religious leader of an entire community, hunting and murdering innocent animals like lions and elephants just for enjoyment???? does he get raza from the hidden imam to brutally kill widlife?

so this is yr masoom dai????????????????

[ghulam muhammed]

THESE DUMB WAHABIS RUN LIKE THE AFTER THANKSGIVING SALE FOR THE TARAVEEH, BUT DON'T GIVE A DAMN FOR THE 5-FIVE-COMPLUSORY PRAYERS?!?!?!?

You need to go to Saudi Arabia and see for yourself where at the time of 'Fard Prayers', every businessman has to compulsorily close his shop and attend the namaz and if at all any shop is open then the shopkeeper is arrested and his shop licence cancelled. This is how strict they are with regard to 'Fard Prayers'. Now dont come to the conclusion that Iam a wahabi because I do not believe in their school of thought and their way of enforcing sharia laws but there are certain facts which one cannot ignore and its better not to levy false charges on someone no matter how strongly you oppose their beliefs.

[Al-Muizz]

Ghulam,

FYI, I have been to Saudi Arabia, and have actually met the then Crown Prince Abdullah on a business trip.....

The Idd Namaz are different. They are for a specific purpose, and infact, RasulAllah(SAW) also prayed them.....


And the two rakat namaaz are NOT imamat namaaz.

[SBM]

:And the two rakat namaaz are NOT imamat namaaz."
That was in reply to your earlier question about addition to the deen. whether it is Imamat or on Imamat it is an addition to the deen
And how come you nicely avoided the question about why Imam Husain gave his life
Was it so Syedna can have Ziyafats right after Ashura and schmooze around with corrupt leaders and give then shawl
Please do answer is it ok for a DAI of Imam Husain (who gave all his family to fight tyranny and for HAQ) while his Dai and his goons think it is ok to mingle with tyrants like Narendra Modi and Bal Thackrey for political reasons?

[Muslim First]

Br. Al-Muiz

Please read folollowing essey

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... 265#p52576

[Aarif]

Maqbool,

There was a stampede but no one was killed in it. 3-4 people killed etc. are rumors.

[Al Zulfiqar]

stampedes etc are no big deal.. they happen more commonly among certain domesticated creatures like sheep, cows and bohras....

[ghulam muhammed]

It is reported that a barricade gave way due to the mad rush of bohras who were jumping one on top of the other which in all probability could be a rush to the jamaatkhana to hog 2 kharas and 2 mithas in remembrance of the Shohadas and after an exhaustive session of purjosh maatam.

[East Africawalla]

GM,

Thats a cruel statement to make about your fellow bohras, real sad

[Aarif]

GM,

Thats a cruel statement to make about your fellow bohras, real sad

African,

Did you think twice before spreading lies like 3 people died in stampede etc. about your bohra brothers??? According to me that was a cruel statement as well.

[East Africawalla]

Aarif,

As I said in my post that it was a rumour so I raise my hand to say that it was not correct information

[Aarif]

I heard that there was a stampede with 4 people died and about 10 hurt.

They were all trying to rush to do kadambosi to Molana

Africawalla,

This was your post. Nowhere in it you have mentioned that it is a rumor.

[ghulam muhammed]

mad rush of bohras who were jumping one on top of the other which in all probability could be a rush to the jamaatkhana to hog 2 kharas and 2 mithas in remembrance of the Shohadas and after an exhaustive session of purjosh maatam.

EAW replied:

GM,
Thats a cruel statement to make about your fellow bohras, real sad

Bro EAW,
I havent used the word 'confirmed' or 'rumour', what I have said was 'in all probability' which amounts to assumption because whether you deny or agree but the fact is that during mohurrum when bohras have to go to jamaatkhana we see them rushing madly towards the thaal to ensure their place in 'pehli thok' and in that case there does remain a probability that the barricade gave way and there was a stampede. I dont think there was anything cruel about the whole thing.

[East Africawalla]

Clarification -

When I said heard that meant as a rumour , unsubstantiated - ok

[SBM]

Why people are arguing about the stempede
Look at this
Syedna went to Kenya for Ashura and did so much Purjosh Maatam that we got Husain in White House
He had the foresight that next president of USA will have roots in Kenya Now only if had the foresight of helping poor Bohras
and the next Syedna then we call it a MIRACLE

[SBM]

Finally the progressive movement paid dividends.
LOOK AT THE FOLLOWING LINK, THIS TIME SYEDNA DECIDED TO SHARE HIS TIME WITH LIVE ANIMALS AND NO MORE KILLING
HE STOPPED KILLING INNOCENT ANIMALS AS HIS TAFRIH;:
http://www.zeninfosys.net/zeninfosys/ar ... rYear=1430

[East Africawalla]

OM,

As I have said that hunting has been going on for centuries , humans would not have survived without it.

I don't know what the problem is, you eat meat don't you, guess how the animals are killed.

There is no where where it says hunting is Haraam.

[ghulam muhammed]

I don't know what the problem is, you eat meat don't you, guess how the animals are killed.

Do you eat Lion meat or Wild Ox meat ? I dont think any of it is served even in Burhanudin saab's ziafat. So why the hell was he hunting these creatures ? Obviously for fun and to show the abdes that inspite of his tilted neck he is still hail and hearty and deserves to live a few more centuries and for that to continue with the ghanu jeevo ghanu jeevo hymns.

[Al Zulfiqar]

OM,

As I have said that hunting has been going on for centuries , humans would not have survived without it.

I don't know what the problem is, you eat meat don't you, guess how the animals are killed.

There is no where where it says hunting is Haraam.

humans hunted in the past for the sole purpose of eating to survive. they did not go on a killing spree for enjoyment. even lions and other carnivores hunt only when they are hungry.

animals slaughtered for meat among muslims are dedicated to allah by the halal method. they are not shot with high powered telescopic rifles in cold blood.

there is nowhere it says that u must go the toilet everyday. nowhere is it said it is haraam in any scripture if u choose to cork up yr rear passages.