बोहरा मुस्लिम समुदाय ने बनाई अलग जमात

[Al Zulfiqar]

EAW,

i am proposing that you be awarded the "most valuable player" - MVP of this board title for this season.

For your information in North America the most valuable players in any league whether baseball, hockey, soccer etc are chosen based on their contributions overall to team ability, morale, cohesion, scoring ability etc.

your contributions towards uniting the reformists and making them look and feel good about themselves with your superb innings of inane and ignoble comments have kept us entertained and galvanised us in our efforts. it is amazing how u so effortlessly lift our morale, whilst simultaneously highlighting the ineptness and mental bungling of the abdes.

as such, i am proud to put forward yr name as our MVP and hope that many more other members will be generous in seconding and supporting the same, so that the motion can be passed uncontested.

Eaw. we love having u as a part of the reformists team. maybe u dont realise your own contributions here, how much you have done for us always, so selflessly and tirelessly. May God bless you!!!

[East Africawalla]

I would propose you as the MSP 'most stupid prat ' who gives progressives the most negative PR , at least I do not come out with the crap you come out with ie verbal diarhoea

[ozmujaheed]

AZ tone down the verbal abuse as your good points drown in the colurful language, orgore the few cheer leaders.

EAW...get real if you call we have done well then I wish it was honorable...Indians have gained more then we gave back to AFrica.

Majority of gujarati migrants to east africa were economic refugees for greener pastures, some like my ancestors were running from a famine, etc..Very few came to conquer or develop native regions as settlers.

"majority" of the indians which includes Bohras discriminate the black africans, evident from the negligible number of inter marriages or faith conversion to Bohraism.

Majority treat them as Gola, Karia and subject them to verbal abuse similar to Negre or Paki.

It is quite common for Guju or Bohri traders to pay minimum or below standard rates to Africa employees...very few are treated equal...if you call than keeping Africans employed..I would say yes but also expolited.

Bohras traders most of them will smuggle goods through the ports, bribe the council for trade license and use tersm as 10% commision, chai or as Tz call "peti", dungri, kabat and avoid paying taxes. These illgotten wealth is showered on to Kothar, Ziafat, Daris, Najwa because Bohras belive it is ok to steal from the nation and give it Moula and then it is paak kam .

In return a African race which is abused ...educates Bohra youth with free education and university, give them jobs at government corporatiritically say lanaats and recite misaqons ( I worked for one before emigrating), give us the same pay as their fellows, with remnants of colonial inferirity complex treat us with respect (Bwana= SIr) just because we have lighter complexion. For immigration since east africans apply less than Indians we get through the queus faster even though our race is Indian.

On the real terms we looked down so much on African education because of its standard , facilities or segregation to live, eat annd stay in hostels with Blacks. Jammats never pressured or encouraged kids to take tertiary education and left it to individual, the rich went overseas. Instead Indian Bohras as abenefit of Indira Gandhi's policies made sure majority of the kids boy or girl got tertiary education and hence overall their thought process and intellect is better developed. Probably education is inversely proportional to Bohra fanatism.

We forget so easily that there are progressives, like mamujee, jivanjee, yusufali who built original schools and give tertiary grants even today where many Orthodox bohras secretely receive aid, who hypocritically recite lanaats and misaqs. EA progressives know this yet their hearts are stronger then their brains and still give Orthos grants.

[SBM]

EA
The day is not far when there will another Idi Amin in East Africa and you all Asians who have not taken African citizenship or have duel citizenship will be kicked out and come running to the countries like UK, USA or of last resort to India.
BTW Which citizenship do you carry? Can you tell us how much have you contributed socially to local African population
In USA many Muslims(that includes Bohras) are part of ACLU, Urban League and other USA based organizations and contribute heavily to local universities, schools and colleges, There are free Medical Clinics run by Muslims Volunteers in poor neighborhood of USA cities to benefit local population. To name few, UMMA Clinic in LA, Medical Clinic in Tampa (IJTABA)
a clinic in Miami, New Orleans, Orlando and Missouri and there are many more which are supported by local Muslim contributions. These examples are the one which helps contribute to the country and the people from whom you benefit.Organization like Project Downtown which helps feed homeless in many part of country and this program has been going on for past 5 years and is mostly run by Muslim students from different colleges
NOT TAKING MONEY FROM ALL PART OF THE WORLD AND SEND IT TO SAIFEE MAHAL

[East Africawalla]

Oma, first of all you are very wrong there, the africans have learnt from the Ugandan experience that without the asians their economies go into a freefall, so it won't happen .

The last place we would go if we get chuck out will be India in case we meet narrow minded people like Zulfikar and Oma.

Oz,

I have grown up in the african villages , grown up with the Africans, shared same schools, halls of residences etc so all that view about prejudises against them may have happened during your times there, we class our selves as equals and thats why we keep on contributing to their economies.

In terms of Citizenship we carry dual so we can still contribute to our country of origin which is East Africa, we still keep on raising money by charity for our brethren without any prejudise on colour, class or religion.

Us East African are the least prejudise on religions, its only when I came to England and I met people from India how prejudice you were to each other.

In Africa Sicks, Hindus, Muslims and Christians we were very close and still are living as brothers

So you narrow minded people grow up

[Al Zulfiqar]

oz,

now after reading 'head-in-the-sand' eaw's replies to your brutally honest analysis, do you still think i am wrong in electing him the MVP of this board?

and btw, i do not need cheeleaders nor am i here to win any poularity contest. i say it the way it is and with people like eaw the best policy is: "laaton ke bhooth baaton se nahi maante.."

his contempt for india and indians is glaringly obvious, but he forgets that the syedna and his family are all indians and for obvious reasons choose to keep their power base there.

[SBM]

EAW Quote
"The last place we would go if we get chuck out will be India in case we meet narrow minded people like Zulfikar and Oma."
For you not coming to India I will do PUD YATRA TO RAUDAT TAHERA next time I visit India as I really would not want AL_QAIDA minded people like you in India,

Well be careful with all the STD on you, western countries are not accepting Talibans whether they are Wahabis or Mumineen aka Orthos.
They both have lot in common which is to rule by force, intimidation and fear of God and the life hereafter. Both will tell you to worry about life after death while accumulating money from everyone to build Mosques and hurt the innocents and stay away from social causes
Since you would not come to India ' I PROPOSE THAT WE MOVE THE SYEDNA'S MAHAL AND ALL SHEZADAS TO EAST AFRICA. WHY DO NOT YOU REQUEST A RAZA FOR THEM TO MOVE THEIR GOVERNANCE TO EAST AFRICA AND SEE WHAT THEIR REPLY IS GOING TO BE.

[ozmujaheed]

EAW..I stated majority..you are a minority if you have grown up with Africans and shared your childhood with them.

You cannot defend EA-indian traders corrupt practises, the same who go around in flashy cars and every Bohra looks upto him and wants to be like him..A jun ketlo paisa waro che, aje Sheikh che, ziafat ape che, maina ma 20 containers liawe che, customs officer sathe bohoth bane che, ana sathe bagarso to undar thoki dese. When Sayedna states desh wafadari...I wish tax and loyalty could be literally practised. I realised not being corrupt and trying to earn wealth in such an environment was very difficult, I am in OZ and not having dual citizenship as it is illegal in EA. My loyalty is to OZ. It is wellknown amongst Africans and documented the chai culture was spread by Indian traders and major corrupt delas in the government had an Indian hand in it.

Secondly sharing childhood and playing soccer in the dirt is not a confirmation of integration of races, or as othe Americans stated that they run charities and medical camps occassionaly. Real integrations starts with the thought process and values one publicly and subconsiously practises. Integration and equity starts when you share the good and bad. How many times have you stood up for them when they get abused by your own race ?

Example but not limited to how to truly respect others, is in my days and not long ago I am talking about the 80s and 90s I was too one of the few who went out with african, arab, hindu, chiti-wagarna freinds but also brought them into my home, and treated them with the same respect. I had them invited to my wedding in conflict with the local jamaat. I have some of my best managerial role models who were blacks and some I found to be more skilled and charismatic then whites and desi-indians I met later on in my life.

Regarding desi-Indians being racists probably, but look at their history it is not long ago they had caste system and very tribal...I remember my grandparents telling me Kathyawar vs Surti vs Kuchi rivalry where inter-marriages within Bohra was uncommon. Not until the NRI era in the last 30 years did Indians travel and live outside the India to realise not to create stereotypes, I meet a lot of immigrant Indians who want to distance themselves from segregation, infact I know of many familes of mised religion who actively do not want to educate their kids on religion so they do not have confusion and find religion as irrelevant. So many of the metroplitan Indians are changing rapidly and Mississippi Masala will increase which ever region you are in.

Bohraism is at fault that they insisted on bringing priests who were trained in Surat and molded in the Indian way of life. They brought in practises that were Surat centric and over time destroyed any form of a hybrid culture that took the good of both worlds, some of the earlier progressives were trying to defend the cultural attack by Yusuf Najmudiin and his cohorts . For example over recent period they have forced EAs to let go wedding rituals and renamed them, some of the eating practises of mithas, kharas, mithas sometimes ice cream as the second dish are one of the strange example. They have forced us how to wear a fashion that may be at quite ok in Bhindi Bazaar !

[East Africawalla]

OZ, from your post you are so patronising towards the blacks in Africa, we treated them as mates and equals and still do and we do the same with the white people in the west , once you treat them as equals than the problem disappears.You have still that prejudise which was put in by some of you Indians who treated the blacks second class .

When I went to India last year the Indians themselves are great its the morons like Zulfikar and Oma who have just immigrated have still got this old prejudises.

Even the progressives who have settled in the west from East Africa are a great people , they respect everybody and are not abusive as this renegades cowards. When we have a get together there is a good respect between each other.

My advice to EA progressives is to keep away from this guys its a backward step for you , we are too modern to mix with ignorant prats.

My only advice to Zulfikar and Oma is go out more otherwise their brains will get retarded if not already.

[Al Zulfiqar]

My advice to EA progressives is to keep away from this guys its a backward step for you , we are too modern to mix with ignorant prats.

My only advice to Zulfikar and Oma is go out more otherwise their brains will get retarded if not already.

eaw, if u are so modern and you avoid mingling with ignorant 'prats', (need to find the address of yr english teacher), can you please explain yr mingling with the ignorant bohras at the markaz and your defense of the crap dished out by the syedna and his army of brainwashed robots?

[Humsafar]

EAW, Okay East African bohras are better than Indian bohras. Happy? Please everybody say this to him, because this guy suffers from low self-esteem and desperately needs to feel superior.

[SBM]

Humsafar
I will agree with you SO WHEN IS THE KOTHAR AND ITS GOONS ARE MOVING TO EAST AFRICA to live with East African Bohras and save us Indians the traffic tie ups at Bhendi Bazar when one of Shezadas comes to do Ziyarat and all the ignorants are standing on the road to do DEEDAR. The STDs can all go to East Africa to do the DEEDAR.

[East Africawalla]

Its not an argument about EA Bohras and Indian Bohras , its narrow minded prats like OMA, Zulfikar and yourself I have an issue with.

You do give progressives or Bohras a bad name but than its nothing wrong for likes of you retards.

[Al Zulfiqar]

bhai oma,

actually the more i think about the kothar moving to east africa, the more i like the idea. 1. we wud get rid of all the dadagiri from the tyrants and moreover, 2. syedna wud have a permanent hunting and killing of animals for sport going on round the year instead of just occasionally, 3. lakhs of indian bohras wud visit east africa and also partake of the hunting and killing and earn sawab, 4. they wud go on safaris and do shopping and eating out etc, thus contributing to the economies of east africa, which is what east africawalas want, 5. syedna and his sons could set up a safari and hotel co. which cud 'royally' fleece our bohras, 6. syedna cud enjoy there the status of a tribal king and our bohras' dignity wud go up 7. many indian bohras wud also seriously think about settling down there and doing business and making houses, 8. many black africans wud also get converted to bohras and give syedna millions of dollars in salaams. 9. finally, it wud very convincingly establish the complete superiority of east african bohras over indian bohras.

all in all, it seems to be a win-win situation on both sides. i say we appoint our favorite abde, our man with a mission, the MVP of this board - east africawala - as our appointed representative to take this message to saifee mahal and convince syedna and his sons to move. in addition i can use my influence with the govts of kenya and tanzania to have some of their ministers visit mumbai and beg syedna and his family to move there. there is plenty of land in the hills of nairobi, arusha, etc, for syedna and his sons to build their palaces. even the jamea of surat can be moved there and raudat tahera can be rebuilt there too.

[jawanmardan]

Africawalla,

This isn't aimed at you, but my family emigrated to southern Africa well over a century ago. My personal experience of my own travels is that the ethnic asians have a great deal of colonial hang-ups.

A family friend was telling me how the white land owners would build the houses atop a mountain, and the asians would measure their success by how high up they were able to purchase a house; the closer to the whites the better. Of course no one ever made it to the top. Black Africans are still thought of as workers in many parts of the continent, the same caste prejudices our forbears escaped in India was was merely transplanted to Africa.

I must say though that east Africa seemed more advanced than southern Africa. Tanzania in particular stood out, however in may parts of the continent prejudice remains , and it goes both ways black Africans have very negative views of asians because of our dominance of the economy, and many asians still see black people as incompetent and long for the colonial era.

[ozmujaheed]

Jawanmardan...you are right, do you know why Tz was better off..because of the communism and socialism brought by their 1st president...communism surpresses segregation, however when communism was discontinued and capitalism and came segration has emerged and the Bohra practise of the chosen dawat has built superiorty complex.

EA why do you think I am patronising blacks ? Rather I think you are in self denial and cannot accept that whether indian settlers or Bohras can ever be at fault. EA settlers accept the past, say sorry, learn from the past, never to repeat past mistakes and move on.

I am now frustrated as AZ detected sometime ago !

[East Africawalla]

Guys,

I will not deny the fact that the Indians in EA were racist towards blacks but that was mostly in colonial times pre-1961 ut since than we have improved a lot, actually I remember that even among Bohras there was a class system and a lot of discriminations but some of us managed to work ourselves and break the barriers to do well and its the same with blacks they now control the economies themselves and a lot of my friends I went to school and high school with are in good positions.

But I am not going to appologise for people who were racist even if they were Bohras as I do not feel they were my people.

They were as narrow minded as some of the people on this forum like AZ,OMA and their henchmen.

Tanzania taught us how to live together and not to discriminate on colour/class or creed which this Indian guys would not understand