Addressing Various Issues raised by the so called reformist

[SBM]

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How about thousands of Bohras who are poor, If you do not know then visit the Yahoo Malumaat message board and read about how people(NOT KOTHARI GOONS) are trying to help less fortunate. Visit Khidmatguzar.com where people are lining up to pick up basic necessities like RICE, OIL and DAAL. BTW none of the donations came from AAMIL or SHEZADDAS or SYEDNA
As far As Dahodwala are concerned that was a nice WRITE OFF on his income TAX since he made millions by selling his company and he was looking for a NON PROFIT ORGANIZATION and since Dawat-e-Hadiyah USA is 501 c 3 it was very convenient way to take deduction as well as get in good side of Syedna.

[Muslim First]

does Fakruddin Sadriwala (Dubai) came on road after donating AED 14million on the niyat of Aqa Moula to do Khidmat of Zari in Jannat ul Baqi......

This will never happen in times of present regime in SA.

So keep on giving money

Wasalaam

[accountability]

Have people gone Bankrupt who give Ziyafat to Aqa Moula??? who do khidmat of building masjids??? does Murtaza Dahodwala after donating Rs52crore became begger??? does Fakruddin Sadriwala (Dubai) came on road after donating AED 14million on the niyat of Aqa Moula to do Khidmat of Zari in Jannat ul Baqi......There are thousands of such examples.....

Wrong examples. I have seen atleast one person, he is a shiekh in karachi, who did give ziafat and now he is in big trouble. He was given hadiyat for a million ruppee or so. As far as Dahodwala is concerned, as oma said he is the big beneficiary from donation. Morever you dont know him too well. If syedna saheb is god, and can do godly things, then perhaps for his donations, syedna can pardon him. And you believe in God, then there will be judgement day. I dont think Allah has given the power of pardon to anyone him, not even to Rasulillah, let alone syedna saheb. Fakhruddin in dubai along with Muffaddal Bhai saheb has lost tons of money invested in dubai real state. They had bought the entire 10th floor in Palm jumiehra bldgs.
I dont think Muffaddal bhaisaheb would care for the lost money. Neither would fakhruddin, because it isn't his.
There are thousands of examples, who were well to do people, but because of extortion and khidmat they are not so well now. I can name the names, but that will be disrespectful to those people.

Zari in Jannat ul Baqi is impossible, as long as present saudi regime is in place. Even the best thinktank would not predict the downfall of this regime in far future. So collection in the name one impossible thing is not ethical, more so knowingly.
Syedna saheb must have known this simple fact, but he did not refrain his managers from collecting.

[Al Zulfiqar]

Have people gone Bankrupt who give Ziyafat to Aqa Moula??? who do khidmat of building masjids??? does Murtaza Dahodwala after donating Rs52crore became begger??? does Fakruddin Sadriwala (Dubai) came on road after donating AED 14million on the niyat of Aqa Moula to do Khidmat of Zari in Jannat ul Baqi.......

the people who give such amounts obviously give when the going is good for them. but most of them have some ulterior motives when giving. either they seek tax benefit, or fame, or a way to reduce their guilt because of the haraam source of their wealth etc. for those who truly seek to really help mankind, they will never give to syedna even a dime, knowing that it will be pocketed to help his family live a life of ayyashi ..!

as for the names quoted of people who have not yet become bankrupt even after giving so much, that is an argument which smacks of outright propaganda. AQMz, for every name that u can quote of people throwing money at syedna, i can quote a hundred, of people who gave a huge portion of their wealth to syedna and yet are in dire straits today. what happened?? did the syedna's duas and blessings not work for them? most of these people remained devout believers upto the end. so stop spreading lies and false stories, that giving to syedna makes yr wealth multiply etc.

i know of a very staunch believer in poona who conducted his son's nikah by inviting syedna to poona and doing full jamaat jaman in city, camp, khadki etc. he gave a tagda salaam and did lavish ziyafat. yet, the syedna with all his ghaib na maalik crap could not see that the marriage solemnised by him would not last even beyond the wedding night! the boy was in love with a sindhi hindu girl and on the wedding night he walked out on his bride without even seeing her face!!! this became the butt of all jokes for years to come. now the abdes will say its his destiny, but will also claim on the other hand that the syedna can see behind huge cement pillars what is in a mumin's heart....!!!!

[Aarif]

It will be interesting to read AMZ's reply on this debacle of Syedna...

[ghulam muhammed]

i know of a very staunch believer in poona who conducted his son's nikah by inviting syedna to poona and doing full jamaat jaman in city, camp, khadki etc. he gave a tagda salaam and did lavish ziyafat. yet, the syedna with all his ghaib na maalik crap could not see that the marriage solemnised by him would not last even beyond the wedding night! the boy was in love with a sindhi hindu girl and on the wedding night he walked out on his bride without even seeing her face!!! this became the butt of all jokes for years to come. now the abdes will say its his destiny, but will also claim on the other hand that the syedna can see behind huge cement pillars what is in a mumin's heart....!!!!

Iam a witness to atleast 2 nikahs which were performed by Burhanudin saab and both were huge disasters. One groom died within 2 years of marriage due to prolonged illness, leaving behind a daughter of 9 months. The bride was just 20 years old.
The other groom is totally bed ridden and like a vegetable since more then 8 years. In one more case, the marriage lasted for almost 15 years and the couple had 2 off springs but after that they got divorced after a fierce court battle and the custody of the children was given to the mother due to which the children were totally deprived of their father's love.

The abdes will now jump and call the above an act of destiny thereby nullifying their claims of mola being 'ghaib na malik'.

[ghulam muhammed]

Ok....even if your rubbish is to stand.....you say that people are being looted.....we today see more n more wealth and prosperity in the Dawoodi Bohra community....if u see that this loot (Nauzobillah) is bringing prosperity to u.....i m sure u will allow this.

There is million times more wealth amongst the believers of shri venkateshwara of the famed tirupati temple who are looted by their high priests on every given occassion, one of them being the 'abhishek' (washing the deity with milk) wherein the highest bidder gets to perform the ritual and the bids run into crores. The temple is the richest in the world having gold reserves of more then one tonne.

The top notch industrialists like the ambanis, birlas and mittals shower crores of rupees on their gurus and priests who live in palatial mansions just like Burhanudin saab and by any yardstick they are far more richer then the bohras.

Have people gone Bankrupt who give Ziyafat to Aqa Moula??? who do khidmat of building masjids??? does Murtaza Dahodwala after donating Rs52crore became begger??? does Fakruddin Sadriwala (Dubai) came on road after donating AED 14million on the niyat of Aqa Moula to do Khidmat of Zari in Jannat ul Baqi......There are thousands of such examples.....

Yes, many people who have showered their wealth on mola have gone bankrupt. Regarding Murtuza Dahodwala, please be informed that he was an ordinary, middle class bohra who made a fortune only after selling his software to microsoft. Before you jump into any conclusions let me tell you that he sold the software MUCH BEFORE giving 52 crores to Burhanudin saab and hence his wealth was not the result of mola's dua in lieu of the 52 crores.


Regarding dubai, please be informed that majority of bohra shopkeepers and businessmen of dubai run their businesses on the amount of money they get from 'qarz e hasanah' which is a corpus created for the needy poor bohras but is used by the effluent bohras due to their close proximity to kothar and their various partnerships with many shehzadas. The rules for availing the qarz e hasanah money are specially bent for these abdes as they get 10 times the amount of gold pledged instead of the usual 3/4 th times amount that a normal bohra gets in India and elsewhere.

[ghulam muhammed]

does Murtaza Dahodwala after donating Rs52crore became begger???

In the eyes of this money minded kothar and abdes, Dahodwala definately did not become a beggar after donating 52 crores to Burhanudin saab but on the other hand as the saying goes 'health is wealth', he is definately a beggar because he suffers from acute back problem due to which he cannot sit for a long time at one place. This ailment even prevented him from attending mola's vayez in a masjid. His 52 crores couldnt get the dua of mola working on him as is widely claimed all accross by the abdes as to how mola performs mojeza etc. It is reported that due to the arrogance of his wife, Dahodwala threw out his aged parents out of his palatial mansion and that they are staying separately away from their rich son.

While on the subject it would be interesting to know as to how many million muslims amassed huge wealth during the reign of Moula Ali a.s. who Himself preferred to live the life of a simple, humble and ordinary Human being discarding the wealth, pomp and extravaganza of this world........... LIVE LIKE ALI a.s., DIE LIKE HUSSAIN a.s.

[Maqbool]

“we today see more n more wealth and prosperity in the Dawoodi Bohra community....if u see that this loot (Nauzobillah) is bringing prosperity to u.....i m sure u will allow this.”

Dear Zindabad,

From your post any body can judge you, that how corrupt nature you have. You are justifying that even the wealth coming from loot is allowable!!

I would like to bring a case of Chennai to the visitors of this board.

The Amil SK has introduced last year a scheme of scholarship. He has collected huge sum by dadagiri and then asked for application from the students.

To the selective he has sectioned scholarship and simultaneously he has taken another application from them to the dawat-e-hadiya for scholarship. Once this is sectioned by dawat he has collected a cash cheque for the amount sanctioned from student and handed over the cheque received from dawat to the student. This means that the money collected from Chennai bohras is gone in the coffin of SK. There is no need to say that there is no account is give to the Chennai bohras.

In this regards bohras of Chennai has written a detailed letter but as usual it is gone in the waste paper basket.

I ask SAW to please show some remedy to get back this loot from the most powerful crook.

[mutmaeen]

sk i heard had also asked people not to bank with DEVELOPMENT COMMERCIAL BANK[dcb] -i dont know how far thats true-the reason being the bank has rented the premises of a bohra who has the balls to stand up against oppression of sk

maqbool can u throw some light on this?

[Al Zulfiqar]

of a bohra who has the balls to stand up against oppression of sk...maqbool can u throw some light on this?

i am sorry but my sense of humour is making me ask this throwing restraint aside.. are u asking mutmaeen to throw light on the background behind the amil's actions or on the balls of that bohra who rents premises to banks?

what do i expect to see where the light falls?

[Maqbool]

Mutmaeen,

Yes it is true and due to this lots of bohras have to closed their accounts from this because the SK has warned that whoever keeps accounts with development bank will be treated as raza bandh.

Actually the bank manager has made mistake, he approached a person called Bakri (Bakir Jamnagarwala) who is an influential man and a strong critics of SK to convince to open accounts in his bank by bohras. This is shan na khilaf for SK, when he is setting there who the adna person called Bakri to be approached. And hence this farman.

In batil a huge sum by bribe from the bank is gone.

[mutmaeen]

bro az

i think maqbool has thrown enough light-u can see both the background behind sks action and the other thing too which u wanted to see-a double delight for u

[Al Zulfiqar]

bro az

i think maqbool has thrown enough light-u can see both the background behind sks action and the other thing too which u wanted to see-a double delight for u

had to ask, as i am sensitive about light falling on wrong objects. against our sharia u know...

[ghulam muhammed]

"When some people said to Imaam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal that they felt uneasy about criticizing people, he replied:

"If I were to remain silent, how would the ignorant masses know the truth from falsehood?"

Those who introduce heretical writings which oppose the Qur`aan and Sunnah and those who innovate in matters of worship, then it is obligatory that they be exposed and that the Muslims be warned against them – by unanimous agreement of the Muslim scholars. In fact, when Imaam Ahmad Ibn Hanbal was asked about a man who fasted, prayed and secluded himself in the mosque for worship; if he was dearer to him than a person who spoke against the people of innovation (Ahlul-Bid’ah), he replied:

"When he fasts and prays and secludes himself, then he does so for the benefit of his own self. However, when he speaks out against the innovators, he does so for the benefit of the Muslims in general, and this is more virtuous."

So it is clear that openly opposing the innovators is of general benefit to the Muslims and is considered one of the types of jihaad (struggle) in the path of Allaah. Since purifying the Religion of Allaah and defending it from their attacks is a collective obligation – as is agreed upon by the scholars. For if Allaah did not raise up some people to oppose the innovators, then the Religion would suffer harm, corruption and deviation. Indeed this type of corruption is even greater than the corruption resulting from the corruption of the disbelievers conquering the Muslims. Since when the unbelievers conquer the Muslims, they do not corrupt their hearts, nor their Religion, except after some time. Whereas the innovators corrupt the hearts from the very beginning."

UNITING THE RANKS UPON THE TRUTH

Shaykh ‘Abdul ‘Azeez Ibn Baaz (d.1420H) – said:

"There is no doubt that it is obligatory upon the Muslims to unify their ranks and to unite their word upon truth and to cooperate in goodness and piety against the enemies of Islaam – as Allaah the Most Perfect ordered them with His statement:

"And hold fast altogether to the rope of Allaah and do not become divided." [Soorah Aali-‘Imraan 3:102]

And likewise, Allaah has warned the Muslims against splitting-up, as occurs in His – the Most Perfect’s – saying:

"And do not be like those who differed and split-up after the clear evidences came to them." [Soorah Aali-‘Imraan 3:105].

However, the order to unify the Muslims and to unite their word upon the truth and to hold fast to the rope of Allaah, does not necessitate that they should not censure wrong beliefs and practices . Rather what the order to hold fast to the rope of Allaah necessitates is: to order the good, forbid the evil and also to clarify the truth – with clear Sharee’ah evidences – to whomsoever is misguided or has a mistaken opinion, until they unite upon the truth and turn away from that which opposes it. All of this is included in His – the Most Perfect’s – saying:

"And help you one another in righteousness and piety, and do not help one another in sin and transgression." [Sooratul Maa`idah 5:2]

And His – the Most Perfect’s – saying:

"Let there arise from amongst you a group of people calling all that is good, enjoining the good and forbidding the evil, they are the ones who shall be successful." [Soorah Aali-‘Imraan 3:110]

And when the people of truth withold from clarifying the mistakes of those who have erred or are mistaken, then they will not have achieved what Allaah ordered them with, as regards calling to goodness, ordering the good and forbidding the evil. So the person in error will remain upon his error, and the person acting in opposition of the truth will remain upon his opposition. And this is contrary to what Allaah – the Most perfect – prescribed, with regards to sincere advice, cooperation upon goodness, ordering the good and forbidding the evil – and Allaah alone is the One who grants success."

Shaykh ‘Abdul ‘Azeez Ibn Baaz was asked about the correctness of the statement: "We should unite upon that which we agree, and excuse each other for that in which we disagree."

"And help you one another in righteousness and piety, but do not help one another in sin and transgression." [Sooratul Maa`idah 5:2]

And His – the Most Perfect’s – saying:

"The Believers – men and women – are protectors to each other, they order the good and forbid the evil…" [Sooratut-Tawbah 9:71]

And the statement of Allaah the Mighty and Majestic:

"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and beautiful admonition, and argue with them in ways that are better." [Sooratun-Nahl 16:125]

And he (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said:

"Whosoever sees an evil, then let him change it with his hand. If he is unable to do this, then with his tongue, and if he is unable to do this, then with his heart. And that is the weakest of eemaan (faith)." [4]

And he (sallallaahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said:

"Whosoever directs a person to do good, will have a reward similar to the one who does that good." [5]