Understanding the Taxes imposed on Bohras

[ozmujaheed]

To bring this debate back on track

Taxes imposed on a Bohra muminnen in a given year in a western location and I will give estimates and specultae how these public funds are used:

Mandatory or one could get excommunicated

Sabeel $500 - $1000 used to pay for incidentals and maintenance and Amils lifestyle
Wajebaat ( includes Zakaat, Khums, dead peoples something, Hajj, Mouala Najwa) $1000 - $10,000 depending on the Amils mood and deposited in Dawaat-eHadiyah UK Trust
Mazoom Saheb najwa $20 - $50 I guess this is his cut as royalties
Mukasir Saheb Najwa $20 - $50 I guess this is his cut for name use roylaties

Compulsory or your event can be stopped
Jamat khanna lagat $50 - $100 depending on the number of time one organsies jamman
Amils salaam $50-$100 depening on where the darees is
Bensahebs salaam $20-$50 depending where the darees is
Raza salaam $10-$20 depending how many times you need a raza or how stupid one is that needs raza for everything
Madrassa fees and collections $200 - $400 per child and depends on how many events and Jamans kids have to demonstrate their iman
Dafan plot and services - when required $3000 - $5000

Obligatory or you could get into bad books with the Amil or harrassed by Ayan
Ramazan fund some spin from a Shazadah ( hospital, upliftment, Hajj for the needy) $200 -$1000
Amils salams on big or small occassions $100 - $300 depening on the number of times the salam qeus are created on small and big occassions
Jamaans or Darees ( and compulsory taxes apply) $1000 - $2000 per event depending on size of jamaat
Muharram niyaz fund $200 - $1000 depending how well one can haggle
Visiting VIP ( Muharram saheb or some Shazada sent to clear collected funds) created fund $200- $2000
Milad and Tabudat event contribution $100 - $300

If I only add the minimum costs then the taxes for wearing the Mumin title, and access to daal jawal palidu society, elligible for Karze interest free loans, access but not free audiance to your Diai, eligible for Musafar Khannas for subsidized accomodation, access to Bohri Shadi.com , etc

Members who keep their membership valid and current will have free entry vouchers (ruku Chitti) for Janaat.

Tax is $3,670 annually non refundable, no guarantees for future years rate rises, future year elegibility or audit for mis-appropriation, corruption or local governement disclosures.

[East Africawalla]

OZ , this what we pay in UK , we don't use dollars , think about it people do pay without complains so there you go

Sabeel £2000 for a family of 5 - this is for maintenance of the mosque/ sehan/area around the mosque, , salaries of workers/Amils cleaners etc and Najwa for Syedna when he comes to UK
Wajebaat ( includes Zakaat, Khums, dead peoples something, Hajj, Mouala Najwa) £2000 - this is mandatory , you should give , its zakat, where it goes is not my problem, I have given my haq
Mazoom Saheb najwa -none
Mukasir Saheb Najwa -none

Compulsory or your event can be stopped
Jamat khanna lagat £250 - thats the cost of holding jaman at the mosque - overhead cost - nothing is free anywhere
Amils salaam £152 depening on where the darees is - do you expect free service?
Bensahebs salaam £52 depending where the darees is - do you expect free service?
Raza salaam £11 - service price - you do not have to use it - depending how many times you need a raza or how stupid one is that needs raza for everything
Madrassa fees and collections £272 per child - do you expect your child to study free?
Dafan plot and services - when required £1576 - services plus Kabar to be built- this is cheap to a funeral agency which will charge you between £5000 to £10,000

Obligatory or you could get into bad books with the Amil or harrassed by Ayan - you do not have to pay , its all heresay , its voluntary

[ozmujaheed]

EAW I do not know to envy and congratulate your statements or feel sorry for the rest of moderate UKs who are forced to pay the mandatory. At the GBP to AUD of 1:2 you will have a bought yourself a cooler seating in hell, since as per Kothar's terms I will be in the hotter aisle. Why I am looking forward that you will join me in hell you have disclosed the Dawaat secret to me, I will say thanks when I meet your soul !

On serious note I believe most tax payers complain given that is Guju human nature. However the monetary numbers are astronomical if you add other locations and sad that accountability is left to moohabat and questioning is considered adawat !

[Maqbool]

Africawala says:
“Think about it people do pay without complains”

Are you in the community? Then why are you misleading the community! There are only few who pay without complaint and they are those who recover from the back door by doing chamchagiri of Amils and shezadas.

In one thread you claimed the good doing of sayedna and in that you mentioned lots of masjid is constructed, but when asked the sayedna is charging fees for inauguration equally to the cost of building of masjid, you have not clarified. You known very well that what ever is done by sayedna is only for him self of for his family and if he has done any thing for the poor bohras the condition of the community would have not been so worst.

[Hussain_KSA]

Bensahebs salaam £52 depending where the darees is - do you expect free service?

What is official or religious position of Bensaheb? What is her religoius qualification? I know a Amil's wife who used to run beauty parlor before her marriage. Don't you think such kind of traditions should be reformed?

[alik]

maula is the king
sons r shezadaaa
bhai saheb-ministers
unkii biwis-sethaanis
aur bohrii ppl-slaves....of the above...
it simple...

[East Africawalla]

Husainbhai, its like asking what qualification does the UK royal family have to expect payments when they visit your mosque etc , why do they ask for money

We have people in UK who asked to be paid thousands for dinner speeches etc because to what they are

People do rate the Bhaisahebs/ben sahebs as celebreties thus expect to pay.

You do not need qualifications if you are popular

[mutmaeen]

the amils get a fat vazifa for conducting their religious duties-which include leading the prayers thrice a day in the mosque-presiding over darees-conducting maiyat namaaz-conducting nikahs and mithaks.....

he has no business asking for any salaam for doing any of these activities...or else what is he paid for? if he fails to come to the mosque without a convincing reason then he is failing his duty and his vazifa should be deducted for negligence

the amils can be equated with chaplains of the church and not a royal family.islam has no place for celebrities.and the amils wife and kids have no right to be asking any money as its the amil who is subsidized by the jamaat and not his entire family

[East Africawalla]

Mutmaen,

Please come back to real world

Amil is the president of the jamaat - that should answer your question

[mutmaeen]

a chaplain too is the head of his congregation-so what? if he errs in conducting his mass he is kicked off

[mutmaeen]

what are the duties of the president of the jamaat? when he sits on the takht and says u should pray in the mosque and doesnt turn up to lead the prayers himself what do u do? when he says that its aqa moulas khushi ke mumin ne jamaro isnt he too duty bound to follow that? has any amil done a niyaz for his deceased ancestors/or a niyaz of any auliyas urs /salgirah/or a niyaz in ramadan/moharram?

if there is dereliction of duty the wages should suffer-perform or perish

[ozmujaheed]

Disclosures in detail of Bohra taxes from Canada, US, India, Pakistan, Singapore, Hong Kong will be appreciated ?