Rebellion in Canada

[Frustrated.Mumin]

I work for a not-for-profit organization in Toronto and know for fact that to keep a charitable registration # with Revenue Canada, an organziation needs to declare if funds are being used locally. Neither of the Jamaat have done anything for general upliftment. Both are busy providing jamans and bohras have no problem as long as food is being served. Sorry state of affairs!

Thank you all for the valuable information that you are providing.

It would appear that anjuman-e-fakhri is benefitting from the charity registration on the false ground that it is using funds for the upliftment of the local jamaat members. Since we are all paying "donations" every year, I think we, as jamaat members, have every right to question what the funds are being used for. How many mumineen families have been assisted? My guess is none at all.

I repeat my earlier request for as many Mississauga mumineen as possible to write to Charities Directorate, Canada Revenue Agency, Ottawa, Ontario K1A 0L5 and ask CRA to investigate the jamaat. Please mumineen, do not just sit on your hands, do something about this. Do not wait for others to take the action. Do it yourself instead of just complaining and gossiping!

[broadminded]

I am with you brother..will do first thing Tuesday morning. It's time to step up to the plate everyone!!

[Frustrated.Mumin]

Thank you, Brother Broadminded. Khuda tame ghani barakaat apeh.

[Frustrated.Mumin]

It's time to step up to the plate everyone!!

Brother Accountability - can we count on you too?

What about Brothers Harassed and Al Zulfiqar who are both Mississauga residents too?

[Harassed]

Brothers Accountablity and FM count me in , I too will write to CRA asking for a full investigation, and I urge all well wishers of the Missisauaga Jamaat who vist this forum to do like wise, let us all make a concerted effort to get all the assistance we can get .

[JC]

I will do the same thing Tuesday morning. We must ACT and act NOW..!!!!

Actually I had started this topic 'Rebellion in Canada' but somehow it has been merged with 'Arrogant Amil of Mississauga'.

The site created by frustrated mumineen on webpage, some how is not working and it says 'page not found'. Can anyone shed some light on this as to why that site is not working now. Last time I visited that site, there were around 20 members, by the grace of God I was the third one to register and even start a topic for discussion on that site. The sheer number of people joining shows there is resentment but people are either afraid of coming out or saying anything or over-cautious. I can understand that, I sail in the same boat .......... but we must do whatever we can, even by staying annonymous. Atleast start asking questions and throwing ideas in a mild way and people will catch and start thinking and coming up with some sort of replies - this will help open up.

[JC]

Please visit this site. You can CALL annonymously too. So please do that and give them the name of:

Anjuman-e-Burhani
Anjuman-e-Fakhri

For Burhani (Toronto) their registration has been REVOKED and the goons cannot issue receipts of donations for tax deduction purposese.

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/gncy/nvstgtns/lds-eng.html

Simply try seaching:

Charities - Canada Revenue Agency and it will give you this site.

For ONTARIO where Toronto and Mississuaga Jamats are registered, even Ottawa, the info is as follows:

Ontario Region Informant Leads Centre

Tel.: 905-984-4830
Tel.: 1-866-809-6841 (toll free)
Fax: 905-984-4829

Mail:
Ontario Region Informant Leads Centre
St. Catharines Tax Services Office
32 Church Street
Post Office Box 3038
St. Catharines ON L2R 3B9

[Frustrated.Mumin]

The site created by frustrated mumineen on webpage, some how is not working and it says 'page not found'. Can anyone shed some light on this as to why that site is not working now.

I deleted the website page. My reasons for doing that were:

• All that the website had become was a place where mumineen came and gossiped. Everyone posted comments and complained about the Amil and the jamaat, but when I posted the addresses of the authorities whom to write to, nobody supported me. I spoke to my MP and apart from my letter of complaint, she had not received any other letters.
  I got several emails from people who claimed to support my cause but all they did was badmouth Aqa Maula. As I kept saying, my fight is with the Amil and not with Maula.
  I started getting emails from India, Pakistan, UK and East Africa of people telling me their soap stories. But that is not what I needed. I wanted the Mumineen of Mississauga to wake from their slumber and take action against this arrogant Amil. I cannot help the mumineen of Pakistan, just the same way they could not help the mumineen of Mississauga. We have to bear our own crosses.
  Many Mumineen started registering on the website and their names and email addresses were visible to all. I did not wish the jamaat to use this to harass these mumineen.

As I have said before, the Mumineen of Mississauga like nothing better then to backbite and to gossip about the Amil and the jamaat. But when it comes to taking action against the Amil and writing to the authorities, they all wear their fancy saya kurtas and sit on their hands.

Thank you, Brother JC for your commitment to write to the authorities. Khuda tame ghani barakaat apeh.

And as for this forum, it is a Godsend for us. I pray that Allah blesses the administrator of this forum greatly. Thank you.

[hypocritebohra]

Brother FM ,Closing down of the web site was unfortunate, it had atleast started people talking and raised a quite a few concerns amongst the die hard chamchas of the Amil. I had forwrded the web site to some contacts I have amnogst the kotahris who have access to the Shahzadas and was hoping they would raise our issues with the amil with them,
Anyway let us continue our struggle to get him removed , the porblem is that many of us cannot come out openly in defiance due to family and other considewrations but are doing our own bit by raising awareness to the misdeeds of this amil here.
May Allah give us all the strength to succeed

[SBM]

Asalam U Alekum
This refers to Hypobohrate and people like him
One thing I never understand, what are people afraid of. Many always talk about that Kothar would not perform Nikkah or they would not bury the dead, In USA-Canada or England, Nikkahs can be easily performed by many Muslim leaders of any Mosques.
As far as if some one dies in your family, you can go to any Mosque committee and they will take care of it.
I have been delisted from my Jamaat because I would not give in to their unrealistic demands of attending every Majaalis and break my relation with other community groups.He would not accept any more Wajebaats from and I could care less. the money saved is given to other Charities and help deserving Bohras in India directly The local Aamil does not object me attending any events I want and as a matter of fact has said that he appreciates me attending Aashura and 23rd Night. I do receive emails from Wazarat since my e-jamaat card is still active. It is because I took a stand and could care less whether they will perform Nikkah for my children or would not perform my last rites. I have friends in Sunni as well Shia community who are more than happy to take care of those things
I have members in my family some of whom are very ABDES, others are active members of the Progressive group, some got so frustrated that they just left the Boharaism BUT YOU KNOW WE STILL SUPPORT EACH OTHER AND WE DO MEET AND NO AAMIL HAS GUTS TO DICTATE TO ANY OF US.
My Nikkah was performed by Late Mukasir Saheb and I had invited member of my family who was very well known as Pargati Mandal member and no one in Badri Mahal dare stop him attending my Nikkah and NO I DID NOT PRESENT A HEAVY SALAAM OR BRIBE but they knew not to mess with us.
THE LOUDER YOU GET WITH AAMIL OR KOTHARIS, THEY WILL TELL "BHAI AAPNE PACHI WAAT KARI SO" AND THAT PACHI NEVER COMES. They do not want to make scene if you take stand.
Please try this next time in front of every one in the Majaalis and the Aaamil will not confront you ever again
DUNIYA JHOOKTI HAY,JHOOKANE WALA CHAYE, right now aamil and kotharis are doing to scared masses let us reverse it make them do what they do to you.

[Haggi]

frustrated.mumin
I'm saddened to say its people like you who makes this quom gullible as it is. Your lopsided view of blaming the Aamils of extortions of the community in general and exhortion of the innocence of the Dai and his coterie of this exploitation is laughable. From your postings you seem to be an intelligent person who can see what is wrong with your local Jamaat but when it comes to see the faults in the whole establishment of the Daiship you are so hoodwinked of the his infallibility that you lay all blame to the Aamils who are no more than puppets of their kothari masters and programmed to propogate and extort the maximum from the Bohras.
You have to realise that these Aamils posting have to have Raza from somewhere and hence are directed to collect the most. They also have the incentive to maximise the colllection so as to, most likely increase their share of the commission otherwise why are we seeing annual increament of the Sabil and Wajeebat while income in these hard times have been diminishing.
So, please dont blame the Aamils because they are just doing what they have been asked to do and see the whole rotten scenario right upto Saif Mahal.

[Frustrated.Mumin]

Brother Haggi,

I am sorry that I sadden you. However, I choose my battles wisely. I do not have unusually high expectations of being able to change the dawaat single-handedly. But I know that if I speak up, then I can at least make some changes in my local jamaat. And, all battles are best fought at the grassroots level.

The Mississauga Amil is an arrogant and unjust baffoon. I really do not care where his raza come from. It is him that I have a problem with. Yes, I am very much aware that he is under instructions to collect as much as he can. But that is not my issue. It is the way he goes about it. He is rude to everyone he comes across, seniors as well. He thinks he is the king and expects mumineen to kowtow before him. Sounds stupid, I know, but it is things like how he expects mumineen to babysit his 1 year old while him and his wife sit and enjoy their jamaan!!

I cannot change the Dai, and I do not have to deal with the Dai on a day to day basis. I respect the Dai as my spiritual leader.

But as a member of the jamaat, I expect my local Amil to treat me with courtesy and respect. And I expect him to be accountable. If I can make a change in Mississauga, my hope is that other mumineen in the Toronto jamaat will be encouraged to speak out and then the Ottawa jamaat and then the Edmonton jamaat and on and on. Maybe, the ripple effect will be felt across the dawaat!!

My grassroots battle will then have achieved some results.

So unlike you, I will not just complain about what is wrong with the community. I will do whatever I can to make some change happen. However small, if I can do it, I will.

Wasalaam.

[TBG]

Dear Bro Haggi,

What Bro FM is doing is the right thing. I agree with your point that the orders come from top but we need to cut the hands and legs of this beast (which are the local amils). At the end of the day it is the amils and local chamchas who deal with people and disrespect people like us. First response should be given to them. Dealing with the dai i feel can come later.
We have to start small and if everyones doing their little bit we will only continue to build on this momentum.

[mumin]

would like to be updated on the action taken by the bravehearts of the canada jamaat. here in the states the same situation exists in certain pockets of florida and georgia. in atlanta , the jamaat committee comprising of secretary and treasurer are wasting the mumineen's sabil money. due to no accountability some people have stopped paying sabil this year. as with canada jamaat , the committee is collecting $ 1752/= and also asking them to do niyaz for sawab. one member told them that the purpose of sabil money collection was to do niyaz so every one could get the sawab. so why dont you do niyaz with all the sabil money that you are collecting? he had no answer. we in u.s. would like to follow the canada jamaat in cleaning up the mess. please inform on the outcome on the canada side.

[accountability]

I totally agree with FM and TBG. If you start the war without tackling the battles, you are sure to loose it. we should fight one battle at a time. it is the best stratergy. Take the fear out of ordinary people and they will no longer submit.
Let us see if this results in some good, and amil's behaviour is changed.

[Frustrated.Mumin]

Brothers Broadminded, Harassed, JC and Hypocritebohra - I hope you all have sent your letters to Canada Revenue Agency already.

Now I ask you all to also write to Citizenship and Immigration Canada? The address is
CPC Vegreville
Visitor and Temporary Resident Permit
6212-55th Avenue – Unit 303
Vegreville, AB
T9C 1W1

I have written to Immigration Canada requesting that the Temporary Resident permit for Aliakber Attar should not be renewed.

Thank you brothers for your support.

[JC]

Dear Bros and Sisters

Bro Frustrated Mumin - I must say that it is sad that you have deleted the site. You should have let it continue. Something is better than nothing. This site was a channel and people were coming ..... awakening or revolt or rebellion will not come at one go, it has to come slowly. People have to be comfortable and confident, via your site they were opening up, they saw a channel, a way, ray of hope .... and were writing their ture minds ........ that was good. It will only start slowly, more and more members would be there and one would see that he or she is not alone, there are hundreds who share the same view. When I became member, i was third and within days there were 20. This is an achievement in itself. Let people speak their minds FIRST and then will surely ACT too.

I agree with you that you do not want to badmouth Dai .......... and I also agree with Bro Haggi and others. You must understand one thing - nobody is against the individual Mohammad Burhanuddin, he is a very old man, just like a child now, presumably he even does not know what he is doing or is made to do now. He may have forgotten his good times and good times and so he may have forgotten his atrocities and wrong deeds........ after all, he is a human being. He is surrounded by many culprits too. So, let forget and forgive Mr. Mohammad Burhanuddin and leave his fate to Allah.

Coming to the post of Dai - that is to be questioned. WHAT is Our Leader doing?? You claim he is Divine, so cannot he see what is goons and sons are doing??!! Why is he letting it happen?? It is the leader who will always be blamed, as if he is a good leader, he must produce a good team to work for him. If he cannot do that then he has to suffer as to get rid of his team, people have to get rid of him. This may not be good example but Bhutto was hanged. He was a good leader and had lots of qualities besides his shortcomings, he was sincere to his cause, may be the means to achieve were not correct, BUT his team who stayed with him till end was not good. They were corrupt ....... if you Pakistani politics, Jatoi, Khar and Mumtaz Bhutto are still alive and leading a comfortable life - where is Bhutto and his whole family???!!!! So leader was cursed and suffered .......... we have NO choice. If you need to have good Amils, good administration, trransperancy and all good 9 yards ........... you have to change the system..!!!! To change Bohra system, the reforms are needed at the highest level ......... and that is Dai. If today Dai declares in one bayan, that PAY wajebat which suit you and Amil will not haggle and argue, there is no way any Amil can haggle, but that has to come from Dai himself. Look at the ways heis Shahzadas behave, this has to stop.... or else Dai will be blamed coz he is incapable of chaining these beasts.

I hope I have made myself clear.

[JC]

So it would seem that we need to change the Dai. Current Dai is not capable of performing his duties and cannot control, so he should be releaved. A new person should come in, and we will then judge him by his deeds and actions.

[Frustrated.Mumin]

Bro Frustrated Mumin - I must say that it is sad that you have deleted the site. You should have let it continue. Something is better than nothing. This site was a channel and people were coming ..... awakening or revolt or rebellion will not come at one go, it has to come slowly. People have to be comfortable and confident, via your site they were opening up, they saw a channel, a way, ray of hope .... and were writing their ture minds ........ that was good. It will only start slowly, more and more members would be there and one would see that he or she is not alone, there are hundreds who share the same view. When I became member, i was third and within days there were 20. This is an achievement in itself. Let people speak their minds FIRST and then will surely ACT too.

Brother JC - that website had to go for several reasons. As I have said before mumineen were regisitering on the website and their names and email addresses were visible to all. I did not want these mumineen to be harassed by the jamaat because they came and supported me on the website. Also, the website was being used for doing what our mumineen brothers are great at - talk, talk and more talk but no action.

I am trying to figure out how to set up another website, which I will very soon, dealing with the broader issues that are wrong with our system.

Coming to the post of Dai - that is to be questioned. WHAT is Our Leader doing?? You claim he is Divine

I do not claim the Dai is divine. I respect Syedna Muhammed Burhanuddin as my spiritual leader. I do not beleive that he is guided by the Imam and I do not beleive that he is infallible. He is the Dai. A human being like you and me. I respect the position of the Dai. The Dai is an old man, who is kept away from the masses. I beleive that he does not know much about what is happening in the dawaat because he is kept in isolation. Like you, I will leave the judgment to Allah. I agree with you on many of the things you have said. I question everyday that why my "Bawajisaheb" does not stop these Amils from harassing and belittling his "farzando". The Amil is, after all, putting a stain on the Dai personally by his actions as he is the Dai's representative in Mississauga. That is a bigger battle...much bigger then I can take on right now.

But for now, I need support to win this one battle. If we can win this battle, we will take the fear out of mumineen and they will stop submitting.

Support the small battles and I promise you, change will come. We need to stand up to the local Amil to send a message to the kothar.

Wasalaam

[Frustrated.Mumin]

Please visit
http://frustratedmumineen.webs.com/

[Harassed]

Brother FM : I did write to CRA for an investigation into the activities of Anjmane Fakhri mentioning that no chariy work has ever been done by this organization, however on retro spect I was wondering that in our endeavour to get our tyrant amil deported are we not throwing the baby out with the bath water? By getting the charity status revoked we are at risk of our fellow members deprived of a well deserved tax credit. The Jamaat will contiune to exhort the sabil money as they do for the Wajebaat , the exception being that henceforth there will be no tax exmption certificate
By the way ,thanks for passing on the address of CPC Vegreville , this is more relevant to our cause , I will write to them immediately to get Ali Asger's temporary visa revoked our main focus at present should be to get rid of him , the other battles will follow. Like you I have no issues with Sayedna ,and am convinced that he too is a prisoner to the coterie and vested interests surrounding him , I consider him to be my spiritual leader and guide. We must get rid of the rot that has set in our comunity by fighting at the grass roots levels to cleanse ther system of the parasites and pests like Ali Akbkar Attar

[accountability]

Brother FM and Brother Harrased, I agree with you both. Let us get rid of this amil, by having the status of jamaat revoked, would not do much difference. Toronto jamaat status is already revoked. It is also illegal to donate to a charity that's status has been revoked. I also wrote to immigration canada, when writing please indicate that he has visa for minister of religion. He is duty bound according to his visa status to administer religion to believers in what ever way they desire. He cannot coerce, collect donation or use charitable funds for his personal benefits.

The letter should have his address. Please note that his address is not his home address, but 1605 argentia road mississauga.

[JC]

Good that everybody is coming on board..!!!

Bro Frustrated Mumin, the site is up and running, good again.

I also agree with you all, Syedana is too old now, lets leave his fate with Allah. Good that most of us agree that Dai is NOT divine and is a spiritual leader only. However, the institution of Dai is to be reformed. Today Bohras keep beard for the Khushee of Maula and have no idea or care about Sunnat-e-Rasool. Today when u ask a bohra 'how are you', he or she will say 'maula ne dua chay' ......... this is so absurd ......... the traditional Muslim response is Al-humdulilah or Allah Nou Shukur Chay ........ even non-Muslim reply as 'thank God' .......

Anyways, our struggle must go on ....... we can also do few other smaller things like:

1. STOP making any kind of payments to Kothari Administration (and yeah paying chairity to an organization which sucks money for Shahzada is no charity and top of it the tax relief has also gone as their lisences have been revoked). I know it could be difficult given the society and circle we live in ........ but we must try.

2. Even if we have to pay ...... we should not pay what they ask and argue - if they ask for 100, agree on paying just 1.

3. Even after agreeing to pay as little as possible, DELAY the payment as much as possible ....... if possible do not pay.

4. STOP attending masjid and markaz except for just prayers or on very auspicious occasions.

5. When there and discussing about Maula's trips, mojeezas, shahzadas and alike ........ do not take interest, AVOID all that and try to change the subject of the group to a non-bohra related topic, like politics, movies etc

6. Try to be as cold as possible towards Administration guys, do not give them smiles or shake hands etc. If they say Salams, simply reply and move on. Do not talk.

BUT the most important is PAYMENTS ......... so lets hit them hard where it hurts the most!

Good luck guys!

[Frustrated.Mumin]

Brothers & sisters,

I was speaking to a friend of mine in the accounting field who has significant expereince in dealing with charities and he has told me that in many circumstances the Trustees of a charity are personally liable. I did a quick google search and found this on the website http://www.charitycentral.ca/site/?q=node/410

Directors have a responsibility to exercise prudence in overseeing the operations of a charity and protecting its charitable property, which includes protecting the charity's property from undue risk of loss and ensuring against excessive administrative expenses.

Example
The duty placed on directors of charities from fundraising programs was underscored in a 2001 Ontario case in which the court found the AIDS Society for Children and its three directors liable for unreasonable fundraising costs of almost $740,000 and imposed a further $50,000 penalty on the directors of the charity. It had been discovered that despite raising over $920,000 through public donations, no funds had been spent on charitable programs. More than 76 per cent of the money raised went to fundraising companies for fees.

The court held that directors of a charity:

have an obligation to the charity and the property held by the charity
are accountable to the public for all funds publicly raised
are accountable to use such funds to further the objects of the charitable institution

For more details, see Ontario (Public Guardian and Trustee) v. The AIDS Society for Children (Ontario), [2001] at http://www.carters.ca/pub/bulletin/char ... hylb17.htm and/or http://www.charitylaw.ca.

The Trustees of Anjuman-e-Fakhri are listed on http://www.mississaugajamaat.com/jamaat.htm. These Trustees should be put on notice that they may be personally liable for actions of the jamaat.

[seeker110]

Shouldnt we be doing something about getting the money back.Accounts confiscated.If the deportation come through would be a step.The next steps should be setting up an organization to help the community that was robbed.Will also provide funds to go after other jamats.

[Harassed]

Brohers FM/Accountablity

I did write to CPC Vergerville today hope and wish ma ny others follow suit.

[Frustrated.Mumin]

Brother Harassed,

I have also written to the immigration office. Thank you for your support.

[accountability]

Thanks, let us keep it up.

[ozmujaheed]

FM may you succeed ! Your win is a win for all frustrated muslims of Bohra traditions all over the world.

[Frustrated.Mumin]

Brothers and sisters,

I have just heard from a very reliable source that because of several complaints by mumineen to the immigration office, Amil of Mississauga, Aliakber Attar, is having problems with his visa. The Amil was one of the "chosen ones" who were selected to travel to Karbala for the ziarat with Aqa Moula. But because of his visa problems, he could not travel.

Serves you right, Aliakber Attar! This is only the beginning of the end for you! Next step is to ship you back to the village in India that you came from. You better start packing your bags...

Don't mess with frustrated Canadian mumineen.