Bhopal to Mumbai via Indore

[Gulf]

@oma,

I alredy said that on right time you will come to know regarding recent ziyarat..
The fact is that you are pessimist and there is lack of patience in you.. Dont believe me??? ASK YOUR HUSBAND..!

[SBM]

Gulp
That is you my honey

[guy_sam2005]

can anyone who knows asgar tell me whether he smokes or drinks????

guy_sam, i've a good mind to ask you whether the Dai smokes or drinks but I do not want to stoop to your level.
To answer your question, yes Asghar Ali drinks everything permissible by Islam. He doesn't smoke but his home and office smoked like hell when the Kothari goons set them on fire.

wat does asgar mean to u and wat does dai mean to u(i mean their imortance for u)

[Human]

guy_sam, i've a good mind to ask you whether the Dai smokes or drinks but I do not want to stoop to your level.
To answer your question, yes Asghar Ali drinks everything permissible by Islam. He doesn't smoke but his home and office smoked like hell when the Kothari goons set them on fire.

wat does asgar mean to u and wat does dai mean to u(i mean their imortance for u)

I'll give my personal opinion. Before I stumbled upon this site, I was told that Asghar was a villian who attacked moula and thus he was very very bad. But now, after reading much material and the facts in newspapers, I respect Ashghar Ali as a very educated scholar. Normally you don't find such educated scholars in our community. Personally, I think education is light and thus an educated person in my eyes is respectful. My respect for him increased when I read about how he stood with the truth despite of all the tries of kothaar to destroy him.

About moula, he is our Dai. He should be the one showing us the right path, the real path. However the practices that are forced upon us these days are vastly different to the real practices as you might have already read and moula has to know everything, specially if some new custom or practice is being put in place. In a way that's moula's job to look after the real religion and stop people from tampering it. You did agree that aamils are corrupt, but then why does moula appoint them? Why doesn't he do anything about them. So many bad happenings cannot go unnoticed. He is the one in power or maybe not. It more looks like his family has more power than him and they control everything. However even if his family is doing wrong things, I as a dawoodi bohra would expect the leader of my community to step up and raise his voice, stand for the truth and snatch the power away from corrupt and heartless money looters. I'm sure that the people would support him more if hid did this. All of the normal people know how bad aamils are and if they got beaten by the justice stick of the leader, the people would appreciate it.

Maybe irrelevant at this time but I still feel like giving these examples. It is utterly gross when someone goes to do salaam to aamil and the aamil opens the cover in front of you and anything less than his expected standards, he throws back the cover on your face insulting you and angrily swearing at you. It is also very bad when the aamil is invited to a niyaaz or jaman at someone's home/hall (which he has to be or there wouldnt be razaa) and then he brings a big tiffin from home and asks the host to fill the tiffin. After the tiffin is returned to him, he checks if its fully filled or not and if not then he insults the family.

[Right]

Dear Human,

I fully agree with you, actually your and my story is same. I was also thinking that Sir Ali Asgar engineer is our enemy and all, but when I started seeing the real face of Kothar and the whole system, I took the right path. As you have given the examples of Aamil, I would like to give the examples of Moallim who teaches in Madrass.

A incident happened in my family, by neice who is staying at Alirajpur, on the day of IDD she had forgotten to take salam of Mulla Saab. Mulla Saab distributed chocolate to everyone , as my neice has forgotten to take salaam for him, he told her that as you have not brought cover for me, so i will not give you chocolate. Here chocolate is not the matter, but the level of teachers in our madrassa is so down graded.

['sauga dude]

Moula has visited in baqi and did ziyarat with much sukun.. when right time will come you will come to know.

Assalam aleykum,

In moulana's bayan done on the day he returned to Mumbai after umrah, he said that mumineen in the thousands came to perform umrah with him. I do not remember the exact words but he also said something to the effect that mumineen while performing umrah filled their hearts by looking at moulana and nobody could stop them.

Another surprising thing that he said was that on the night of chelum of Imam Hussein (AS) he did waaz in Arabic in Makkah and mumineen did mataam and that nobody could stop them.

He mentioned that he went to do ziarat of Moulantena Fatema (AS) but conveniently missed out the details that he did the ziarat from the hotel room window from far away and went nowhere inside jannatul-baqi.

Gulf-bhai, if moulana had visited jannatul-baqi and done ziarat with much sukun then why have mumineen not been given that bushra? Why have mumineen only been shown photos of him reading salaam from the hotel room window?

[Humsafar]

wat does asgar mean to u and wat does dai mean to u(i mean their imortance for u)

Human has given you a fitting reply. In short, this is what I've to say:

Asghar Ali Engineer is a self-made man and has worked hard for whatever status he enjoys today. He is a compassionate and committed scholar-activist who has devoted his life to truth, social justice and peace, and has sacrificed so much for the causes and principles he espouses. I hold him in high regard.

Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin has attained his power and position by sheer accident of birth, and has lived a life of unparalleled luxury. His bayans are ordinary and as an spiritual leader of our community he has not made a great impression on me. On the contrary, our community has become a cult under his leadership. But he is old and sick and I respect him as my elder, and wish him long life.

[mumin]

I wish this flight , instead of Bhopal to Mumbai was from London to New York. A full enquiry would have been the order of the day and no special favours would be allowed because of age . In no society can wrong be made right or pity on an elder person because of age. The rules are the same for old and young alike.

[Humsafar]

I don't think it was Sayedna saheb's old age which was the cause of all the fuss. The plane was delayed for more than an hour, the passengers were told that a VIP was going to board the plane, the passengers became impatient and started protesting and Asghar Ali also joined the protest. I'm not sure if the passengers at that point even knew that the VIP was sayedna saheb.

[guy_sam2005]

can i have the reforist version of the incident?

[Maqbool]

can i have the reforist version of the incident?

Do you relay believe the version quoted by Gulf is true!!

The other version you can go thru the link provided in the very same thread.

[Alhumdollilah]

Dear Human,

I fully agree with you, actually your and my story is same. I was also thinking that Sir Ali Asgar engineer is our enemy and all, but when I started seeing the real face of Kothar and the whole system, I took the right path. As you have given the examples of Aamil, I would like to give the examples of Moallim who teaches in Madrass.

A incident happened in my family, by neice who is staying at Alirajpur, on the day of IDD she had forgotten to take salam of Mulla Saab. Mulla Saab distributed chocolate to everyone , as my neice has forgotten to take salaam for him, he told her that as you have not brought cover for me, so i will not give you chocolate. Here chocolate is not the matter, but the level of teachers in our madrassa is so down graded.

chocolate and salaam haha sound funny.if i would you,i would approach the mulla saheb and ask him a good reason for his behavior

[Human]

Dear Human,

I fully agree with you, actually your and my story is same. I was also thinking that Sir Ali Asgar engineer is our enemy and all, but when I started seeing the real face of Kothar and the whole system, I took the right path. As you have given the examples of Aamil, I would like to give the examples of Moallim who teaches in Madrass.

A incident happened in my family, by neice who is staying at Alirajpur, on the day of IDD she had forgotten to take salam of Mulla Saab. Mulla Saab distributed chocolate to everyone , as my neice has forgotten to take salaam for him, he told her that as you have not brought cover for me, so i will not give you chocolate. Here chocolate is not the matter, but the level of teachers in our madrassa is so down graded.

chocolate and salaam haha sound funny.if i would you,i would approach the mulla saheb and ask him a good reason for his behavior

Would you? I doubt. I really really doubt. Our community is of communist nature where the people are not allowed to asked questions, just follow what the orders are. We are neither given any voting rights nor asked for any opinions. When we try to raise our concerns or approach them as you suggested, we get insulted and humiliated. Depending on who you approach with questions, the punishment could be as severe as death by the beating of mob and burning of your home, shop etc. In Right's example above it seems like his neice was quite young and in that case had she asked as you said, the moallim would have slapped her and/or called her parents and insulted them about how you have brought up your kids.
I won't wait for your answer, I will give you one myself. You won't ask if you were in that situation. If you had the guts to ask that, you'd have the guts to accept the truth and stand against lies which means standing against a big majority. Can you do that my friend?

[guy_sam2005]

can i have the reforist version of the incident?

Do you relay believe the version quoted by Gulf is true!!

The other version you can go thru the link provided in the very same thread.

no not the ones in newspapers and all...someoone present there or close to him version..i dont believe fully in anything i read in outlook.india today,newsweek etc....

[Smart]

^
Agree with you. Not all of them are 100% credible.

However, it is clear that they have more credibilty than malumaat or zeninfosys or mumineen sites or even Nasim e Sahar or Badre Muneer. Just look at the first post. This quality of one sided reports full of laeen and maluun would not be printed in the mainstream media.

The mainstream media is open to questions, whereas the ortho media is not. On what basis do you base your faith more on the ortho media than the mainstream media? Most sensible people wouldn't.

[khidmatguzar]

in my view mainstream bohra is nowadays much open minded than other sects in islam.. progressives are just like a rebels or their act may be

[Alhumdollilah]

chocolate and salaam haha sound funny.if i would you,i would approach the mulla saheb and ask him a good reason for his behavior

Would you? I doubt. I really really doubt. Our community is of communist nature where the people are not allowed to asked questions, just follow what the orders are. We are neither given any voting rights nor asked for any opinions. When we try to raise our concerns or approach them as you suggested, we get insulted and humiliated. Depending on who you approach with questions, the punishment could be as severe as death by the beating of mob and burning of your home, shop etc. In Right's example above it seems like his neice was quite young and in that case had she asked as you said, the moallim would have slapped her and/or called her parents and insulted them about how you have brought up your kids.
I won't wait for your answer, I will give you one myself. You won't ask if you were in that situation. If you had the guts to ask that, you'd have the guts to accept the truth and stand against lies which means standing against a big majority. Can you do that my friend?

i have no clue for what reason u have typed that whole paragraph but any ways i personally have encounter so many incident and have asked for reasons and explaination for particular action and i was never beaten or robbed by any DB mob lol

if some body is on haq he dont need to hide or find excuses.

[SBM]

i have no clue for what reason u have typed that whole paragraph but any ways i personally have encounter so many incident and have asked for reasons and explaination for particular action and i was never beaten or robbed by any DB mob lol

if some body is on haq he dont need to hide or find excuses.

YOU MISSED THE FOLLOWING LINKS READ IT HE IS A MEMBER OF BAIT-E-ZAINY AND THE KOTHARI GOONS DID NOT SPARE HIM EITHER AND WHAT HAQ ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, ASK THE SHAIKH FROM SANTA CRUZ OR ANOTHER ONE FROM NARYALWADI MASJID WHO WERE THROWN OUT BECAUSE THEY SPOKE AGAINST INJUSTICE BY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO AWARDED THEM SHAIKH AND NKD TITLE (OF COURSE FOR A NICE SALAAM)
Split in Bohra spiritual family
By: Ahmar Mustikhan
May 9, 2003
http://www.mid-day.com/news/city/2003/may/52282.htm

Battle over Syedna succession rages
By: Manoj Nair
May 9, 2003
http://www.mid-day.com/news/city/2003/may/52280.htm

[ghulam muhammed]

no not the ones in newspapers and all...someoone present there or close to him version..i dont believe fully in anything i read in outlook.india today,newsweek etc....

Which means that you did not believe in the news that appeared in all the newspapers/magazines worldwide with regard to the mass genocide carried out by Narendra Modi against innocent Muslims, which is similar to what your mola did. No doubt you are a true abde.

[Human]

in my view mainstream bohra is nowadays much open minded than other sects in islam.. progressives are just like a rebels or their act may be

You wish! The enforcement of dadhi and topi, you think that is open mindedness? Just comparing to 1970's and 1980's when women of our community were allowed to wear indian clothing and kurta-saya was not a necessity everywhere. Do you really think mainstream bohras are more open minded? Just compare it to the mainstream bohras 30 years ago let alone any other islamic sect, you'll find that we are the only ones going backwards.
I have many other points to prove against what you said. But I already have another thread for that so I won't bother typing it here again.

[Alhumdollilah]

i have no clue for what reason u have typed that whole paragraph but any ways i personally have encounter so many incident and have asked for reasons and explaination for particular action and i was never beaten or robbed by any DB mob lol

if some body is on haq he dont need to hide or find excuses.

YOU MISSED THE FOLLOWING LINKS READ IT HE IS A MEMBER OF BAIT-E-ZAINY AND THE KOTHARI GOONS DID NOT SPARE HIM EITHER AND WHAT HAQ ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, ASK THE SHAIKH FROM SANTA CRUZ OR ANOTHER ONE FROM NARYALWADI MASJID WHO WERE THROWN OUT BECAUSE THEY SPOKE AGAINST INJUSTICE BY THE SAME PEOPLE WHO AWARDED THEM SHAIKH AND NKD TITLE (OF COURSE FOR A NICE SALAAM)
Split in Bohra spiritual family
By: Ahmar Mustikhan
May 9, 2003
http://www.mid-day.com/news/city/2003/may/52282.htm

Battle over Syedna succession rages
By: Manoj Nair
May 9, 2003
http://www.mid-day.com/news/city/2003/may/52280.htm

have you lost your brain or some thing? or is it just your hatered which dont let you see things cearly,i have no idea whats your problem with syedna but seems you dont even understand difference between asking a reason to mulla saheb about his behaviour and claiming some body syedna without the confirmation from DAI.

if some body claims him self DAI and a sucessor offcourse he is porn to get beaten up by people whats so astonishing about it?

[Al Zulfiqar]

if some body claims him self DAI and a sucessor offcourse he is porn to get beaten up by people whats so astonishing about it?

that is exactly what could have happened to the present syedna. he too claims himself dai and successor without having the qualifications as per the daimul islam to be one. so would it be ok if the a big mob were to go and beat him up too?

[mumin]

brother alhumdullilah. I concur with you. This incident may very well have happened. All one has to do is look at the special dishes and meaty biryani that the amils thal will get during any food occasion. while the rest of the mumineens thals will have water to drink there will be a special cold coca- cola in a can for the amil. Double servings in the amils thal is not something that needs to be made up. We all know how this special preference is given to amils thal . If these little things in life are so important for the amils stomach i would not at all doubt the chocolate incident.
The amils are pure business minded. There was an amil in u.s.that openly told me that the whole clergy was a big business. it had nothing to do with religion. you may take it with a grain of salt or believe in it, but thats the way it is.

[guy_sam2005]

coulnt find anything in oma,s links

[guy_sam2005]

in my view mainstream bohra is nowadays much open minded than other sects in islam.. progressives are just like a rebels or their act may be

You wish! The enforcement of dadhi and topi, you think that is open mindedness? Just comparing to 1970's and 1980's when women of our community were allowed to wear indian clothing and kurta-saya was not a necessity everywhere. Do you really think mainstream bohras are more open minded? Just compare it to the mainstream bohras 30 years ago let alone any other islamic sect, you'll find that we are the only ones going backwards.
I have many other points to prove against what you said. But I already have another thread for that so I won't bother typing it here again.

there is nothing to be proud of in werain western clothes...and till indian clothes is concerned even kurta saaya in indian so is topi...your idea of clothing too is about following someone..we choose moula(tus) for that....

[Smart]

^
And you still think that ghagro odhni which was prevalent then is a western dress?

[SBM]

Guy_Sam
Is WADHAWO a western custom, RASM-E-RASOOL or AARTI OF GANPATI?
interestingly none of the Kothari defenders has answered this question just like the mystery about Syedna Burhanuddin Saheb's mother?

[guy_sam2005]

^
And you still think that ghagro odhni which was prevalent then is a western dress?

Rida is lot better than that...dont u agree?

[guy_sam2005]

Guy_Sam
Is WADHAWO a western custom, RASM-E-RASOOL or AARTI OF GANPATI?
interestingly none of the Kothari defenders has answered this question just like the mystery about Syedna Burhanuddin Saheb's mother?

do u find wadhavo wrong?
can u name 5 things that you find right?

[SBM]

^
I have already replied what I found right but you have not answered any of my questions yet
DO NOT BE A COWARD AND REPLY TO MY QUESTION IS WADAHWO IS RASM-E=RASOOL AS PER ABDES OR AARTI OF GANPATI?