Burhanudin Saab's Birthday.

[ghulam muhammed]

Today happens to be the birthday of Burhanudin saab as he was born on 6th March 1915. He will turn 95 today but it seems that bohras claim that he is of 98 years of age. No wonder , in the garb of enhancing his age kothar has come up with the redevelopment project of bhendi bazar which they are trying to aggressively market with a claim that they will complete the project in 2 years time and it will be a gift to mola on his 100th birthday. Taking advantage of his alleged age of 98, kothar is brainwashing bohras into investing in the said project aggressivley as bohras are made to believe that they will be getting the 'sharaf' of being the ones who would endow this gift on mola's 100th birthday.

On the eve of his birthday a stereotyped sms is being circulated within bohras of mumbai which reads as under:

Aaje 6th March Mola (tus) nu birthday Mubarak thai.
FULK NA QABTAAN,
MULK NA SULTAAN,
NUSK NA BURHAN,
MISK NA RAIHAAN,
MAULA (TUS) Ne
KHUDA Qayamat tak
baaqi rakhjo.

A number of bohra families have ordered kilos of birthday cakes which are being cut as part of the ceremony. The monginis guys have seen a sudden spurt in their business as birthday cakes have gone off the shelf almost overnight. The poor guys selling candles have not experienced the boom because there are very few bohras who have undergone the task of putting 95 (or 98) candles on the cakes.

[Human]

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I was wondering if a religious leader of a specific islamic sect would even consider celebrating his birthday according to the Gregorian calender, let alone cutting cakes and blowing candles!

[Alhumdollilah]

this is ridiculous

[Human]

^
Please explain how its ridiculous. Given that my grandfather never knew his birthday according to the gregorian calender...

[Smart]

this is ridiculous

Thanks for accepting that the celebration of the Syedna's birthday according to the Gregorian calendar is ridiculous. It seems that after so much effort, some truth has dawned on you. By the way, did you take razaa to post this comment? You could be in serious trouble.

[Gulf]

Thread starter,

do not submit a news article without web link otherwise it will be considered as fake news

[mumin]

can some one explain to me the meaning of "taubudat" this is the word commonly used now a days in u.s. and it goes on for about two months.

[porus]

To read Arabic, use the 'magnify' facility in your browser

ايام التعبدات
This is a case where a phrase has been created for a specific purpose. The phrase violates two rules of Modern Arabic grammer.

1. When ayyam is used as part of a construct phrase such as the above, the first word is in plural and the second is in feminine singular. The first word is ayyam, plural of yawm. It means days. The second is a word you will not find in the most comprehensive dictionary of Arabic available, the Lane Lexicon. It is plural of التعبدة . Thus, it violates the rule. It should be not be in plural but singular.

2. The word pattern تعبدة does not exist in Arabic. The nearest is تعبيدة.
Thus, it should be ayyam ut-ta’abidat not ayyam ut-ta’abidaat. But the term ayyam ut-ta’budaat has become established by usage.

It has the same meaning as ubudiyya. It means condition of being a slave.

These days, the days between Milad un-Nabi and Sayedna’s birthday are meant to express slavery to Sayedna by extravagance in darees, programs of celebration and endowment of hadiyya to Sayedna, in the form of monetary najwa, tasbih, umra and quran recitations.

[Human]

Thread starter,

do not submit a news article without web link otherwise it will be considered as fake news

Here, read this to confirm the birthdate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syedna_Moh ... urhanuddin

The other claims made by the 'thread starter' are all facts and we all know it. Its not big or important enough to make news. Do you have a news article about every claim you make?

[ghulam muhammed]

can some one explain to me the meaning of "taubudat" this is the word commonly used now a days in u.s. and it goes on for about two months.

There are many do's and don'ts with regard to tabudat and herein below are some excerpts from 'Anjuman-e-burhani, Toronto" with regard to "tabudat" for burhanudin saab:

a) Syedna Taher Saifuddin(AQ) & Syedna Mohammad Burhanuddin(TUS) ni tasbih at least 100 times

b) Two rakaat tawassul namaz for AQa Moula(TUS)'s tul-ul-umr

c) do qurbani with the niyyat of Aqa Moula(TUS)'s tul-ul-umr.

d) WIth the a'ala niyyat of Aqa Moula(TUS)'s Sehat tamma and tul-ul-umr, mu'mineen should decide to go for

· Umra

· Al-Caira, Baitul Muqadas,Urdoon, Sham,Yemen & Hindustaan na Doat Mutlaqeen ane hudud fodhola ni ziyaret.

· Collectively do khatmul Qur'anil karim and araz this hadiya to Aqa Moual(TUS).

· Attend All 7 Daris & Muzakeraat.

· Must attend 3 Miladain - no excuses, no ifs and no buts.

e) Near the end of the Ta'abuddat ayyam, mu'mineen can go and fill their a'amal form on our website. We would do the tally and the sum total will be araz to Moula(TUS) with the utmost humility and beseech Moula for his du'a mubarak.

[Anwar]

Wow, Toronto Jamat members, you accept these conditions in 2010??????????
I must say your amil must be a very clever guy, who is able to manuplate you in the name of religion.
WAKE UP this has nothing to do with either religion, cultute or tradition. Unless it is your religion, cultute or tradition to be slaves and stop using God given brains. FOR GODS SAKE, USE IT before it is too late.

[Smart]

As I have been pointing out, it is not a religion, or deen. It is a personality cult. Islam is only a facade and to be used whenever useful and to be thrown away when not.

[Al Zulfiqar]

the posts of porus and gm should be an eye opener to those among us, who although of reformist bent, are still impressed by this show of outward religiosity and resurgence of islam during these 40 days of taabudat.

i have always viewed each and every action of the kothar with suspicion, no matter how outwardly it may seem innocent and well-intentioned, because each and every one of their actions has a sinister agenda, which more often than not escapes even some of the most sceptical minds amongst us. it requires a lot of knowledge and meticulous digging to unearth these rascals' hidden agenda.

i hope biradar is taking note..

[Aarif]

He will turn 95 today but it seems that bohras claim that he is of 98 years of age.

Bohras count his age based on our Islamic calender where the year is shorter than the English calender with 12 months and hence this diffrence in his age. Honestly there is no need to ridicule everything that bohras do...

[JC]

Bro Aarif,

Sorry but I must say - whatever bohras do today is all ridiculous ........ nothing makes sense, it is all rituals in the name of religion and trying to MAKE Dai as God on Earth, and Deputy God in Heaven ...!!! Just sit back, relaxe and analyze the whole scenario and you will notice everything - just have an open mind and heart ........

[like_minded]

the posts of porus and gm should be an eye opener to those among us, who although of reformist bent, are still impressed by this show of outward religiosity and resurgence of islam during these 40 days of taabudat.

i have always viewed each and every action of the kothar with suspicion, no matter how outwardly it may seem innocent and well-intentioned, because each and every one of their actions has a sinister agenda, which more often than not escapes even some of the most sceptical minds amongst us. it requires a lot of knowledge and meticulous digging to unearth these rascals' hidden agenda.

i hope biradar is taking note..

Al-Zulfikar bhai... U've said it!! I fully agree with you!!

[like_minded]

Bro Aarif,

Sorry but I must say - whatever bohras do today is all ridiculous ........ nothing makes sense, it is all rituals in the name of religion and trying to MAKE Dai as God on Earth, and Deputy God in Heaven ...!!! Just sit back, relaxe and analyze the whole scenario and you will notice everything - just have an open mind and heart ........

Bro JC.. Very true!!!

[guy_sam2005]

dont you guys think this topic itself is fase propoganda...nooone is fooled by 95th birthday,we all know that misri calender is 11 days shother than gregorian.....still waitin fot 1 honest accusation.

[Al Zulfiqar]

dont you guys think this topic itself is fase propoganda...nooone is fooled by 95th birthday,we all know that misri calender is 11 days shother than gregorian.....still waitin fot 1 honest accusation.

gay sammy dude,

your participation on this forum is going to lead you to hell, esp. during these days of taabudat na amal. instead of spending every second of your time doing a million tasbeehs, dua's, sajdas, sacrificing goats and going for umrah, ziyarat of raudat tahera and singing ghanu jeevo and doing maatam as hadiyah for syedna's tulul umr, you are indulging in useless things here??? i say laanat on an abde syedna like you who should be engaged in removing his khaal for syedna and is instead going to progressives forum 10 times in a day???!!!

either you are a moron or you are really a gay who secretly enjoys getting his backside kicked here and just cant stay away..

[Smart]

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At least you learnt something, here, that the Misri calendar is 11 days shorter than the Gregorian calendar.

Good education for you. I am sure it is better than the sabaks, where there is only mind numbing propaganda happens.

Good for you!

[Aarif]

Sorry but I must say - whatever bohras do today is all ridiculous

JC,

Do you think that counting a person's age based on Islamic calender is ridiculous?? If so than shame on people like you who consider themselves as Muslims...

Like Minded,

Please do bother to read the posts and understand them before endorsing or criticizing them...

[mumin]

This birthday celebration is too long winded. Forty days of celebration is just a no, no. I just celebrate the day I was born ,with my relatives, kinfolks and a few friends. cannot the Dai do the same on his birthday? Why in the world does he have to involve the whole bohri people to cut a cake for him, slaughter goats for him and compulsory give him money as a gift for his birthday. some of the goonda committee members of my jamaat keep announcing for najwa, and hand everybody empty envelopes with their names written on the envelope reminding them to bring najwa money and since your name is on the envelope we will see how much you gave on dai's birthday. I say, give if you want to . Do not be cornered by these con artists of the jamat goonda committee.

[Smart]

@mumin,
This 40 days has a taveel behind it. Just think through it. There is only one occassion, where 40 days are commemorated.

The minds are being prepared for the inevitable.

[like_minded]

Sorry but I must say - whatever bohras do today is all ridiculous

JC,

Do you think that counting a person's age based on Islamic calender is ridiculous?? If so than shame on people like you who consider themselves as Muslims...

Like Minded,

Please do bother to read the posts and understand them before endorsing or criticizing them...

Bro Arif

I do not consider myself to be on an equal intellectual level with you, as you are no doubt a genius! But I surely do understand what I read. What Bro JC has said is very true! I have understood his post and endorse it fully!!

[like_minded]

Bro Aarif,

Sorry but I must say - whatever bohras do today is all ridiculous ........ nothing makes sense, it is all rituals in the name of religion and trying to MAKE Dai as God on Earth, and Deputy God in Heaven ...!!! Just sit back, relaxe and analyze the whole scenario and you will notice everything - just have an open mind and heart ........

Bro JC

Very true!!!!!!!

Whatever bohras do today, makes no sense... they are becoming more superstitious and close-minded, thanks to Kothar... Religion is supposed to open ones mind towards the bigger picture... but in our case its opposite. They want close minded people or rather slaves who are obedient .. that's it.... It serves their purpose.

[Aarif]

I do not consider myself to be on an equal intellectual level with you, as you are no doubt a genius!

Bro LM,
I am sorry if I offended you in any way.. You are giving me lot of undue credit. Anyways its good to be flattered once in a while with such tongue in cheek statements

[JC]

Bros Like-Minded and Aarif,

Thank you for your replies

Bro Al-Zulfikar,

Your posts are always good.

All,

Why do we have to celebrate his birthday (rituals) for 40 days??!! And yes, this is ridiculous. In Toronto they will have 7 Darees (as if they do not have these on other days and occassions..!!), and will have 'muzakerat' ....... now ask them, what sort of discussion?? The TOPICS are given by Kothar in Mumbai, so no deviations please - on top of it most of them are Hussain/Karbala/Matam related ....... one wonders WHY??!! on top of the roof, amil delivers the lecture and there are HUGE 10 MINUTES allocated for questioning ......... wwwooowwww and guess what type of question and WHO will be asking those .......... and THEN COMES .......... THE JJJJAAAAMMMMAAAAANNNNN ......... by the way they are on collection spree for these dareeses ..... Is not this RIDICULOUS .......

Folks - even Eid Milad Nabi is for ONE DAY and thats it ......... Bohras have been made to do all this crap for 40 days ... and the brainwashing at so-called Madrasah continues ...... the Mulla there just teaches one thing - Maula is our God, Maula is our God ......... nothing more, nothing less ........ (and now they are asking children to bring money in the name of Wajebat training, salam, for darees and for anything, now they are doing a magazine ..........)

It is RIDICULOUS - because it revolves round one PERSON and one CONCEPT - Burhan and Dai ........ and thats it!!!!

Bohras are a community - can you simply ask one small question - what bohras know and have done about the earthqualke victims of Haiti and Chile ......??!!!! Instead of having 7 Darees, have 5, and send collections for other two, one each to Haiti and Chile ........... will they do that ........ NO, they DO NOT care what is happening in world and around. Their SUN is their DAI and they cannot see anything else.

To me, Bohraism is a CULT ......... ONLY

[S. Insaf]

40 days - from one Mohammad to another Mohammad - Mohammad Mustafa (pbuh) to Mohammad Burhanuddin (TUS). to do that the word "Salgirah Mubarak" is recently changed to Milad Mubarak. The Salgirah of Dai Mohammad Burhanuddin has been given some signification by calling it Milad and linking it with Milad-e-Nabi.

[JC]

Insaf Bhai

From one Mohammad to another Mohammad ........... and alas ....... see how far we have fallen ....... we have been falling and falling and falling ...... if that Mohammad was Sky this one not even Earth ........

Salgirah or Milad ....... does not make any difference .......... these days all the Milads and Salgirahs are only to cling to power, fool the slaves, get more and more money ...... divert attention to petty and smaller things in life .......

Remember - small minds talk of people, average minds talk of events and great minds talk of ideas .......

Today Bohars (and sadly all religious leaders) talk of people and events ........ no one cares about ideas ........ and Bohras - they talk of Hussain, Karbala and Maula ............

What a downfall .........

['sauga dude]

Assalam aleykum brothers and sisters,

Mississauga jamaat has sent out an email as below:-

Baad Afzalus Salaam

On the occassion of Aqa Maula's (TUS) milaad we the mumineen are trying our best by performing various Taabudaat Amal where we can best owe our greetings to Aqa Maula (TUS).

On that part of our celeberation we will be organizing the Imam Hussain Matami Majlis which will last for 99 minutes.

Matami Majlis will be held on 9 Rabi-Ul-Akhar ( March 24,2010), at 6.45pm. There will be matam for 45 min with namaz break and then after the matam will continue for 54 min and then after niyaz will be served.

All mumineen, mumenaat and farzando are requested to attend this majlis and offer the best Tahani to Aqa Maula (TUS) with the matam of Imam Hussain (A.S).

Shukran

Abeede Syedna TUS
Anjumane Fakhri
http://www.mississaugajamaat.com

My question is this - how can mataam (which is supposed to be an expression of one's intense grief over the supreme sacrifice of Imam Hussein AS and the Ahle Bayt) be termed a "Tahani to Aqa Maula"? Is this not an example of mataam being misused and the whole concept of mataam being made fun of? Is the grief of Imam Hussein a "gift" that one can give to Aqa Maula?