Check this out.....Mojeza

[Truth Hurts]

I received this email in 2008 from a fellow engineer Abde

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:
To:
Date: 2/11/08
Subject: mojeza

Moziza happened in Burhanpur


On 8th of moharram late night a lady came to the gate keeper of the roza and said ke let me go inside the roza as janab saheb has granted me the permission to go inside the roza after 12 as i have some mannat...so gate keeper checked the permission slip and allowed that lady to go inside.....

so then after half an hour gate passed but that lady dint come out of roza so the gate keeper started wondering that at this time no trians comes to burhanpur...pluz office get closed at 7..so from where the lady got raza to enter the roza at this time.....so the gate keeper went inside to search that lady...
the moment he went inside he saw the galef ka kapda of all three roza has been changed and all the turbat ahs been covered with chadder of fresh smelling flowers...and on top of all the 3 turbats there is small potli..and he sees lady has been disappered...
then quickly by seeing this gate keeper went and called aamil saheb..gate keeper told everything to janab and then janad opened the potli...by opening it janab found the jewels inside(like emrald,rubi and other gemstones)..so that moment it self janab faxed aqua moula about what happened in burhanpur.....
so in return moula replyed that do distribute that jewles in people and remove all the galef ka kapda from all the turbats...and aqua moula farmayu ki it was his wife AMATULLA AAI SAHEB who had come to pray for moula lambi ummar....to burhanpur...


Now why would I believe this? If this was true, the gatekeeper would have had a plush shopping centre or a huge hardware shop somewhere in Mumbai or the likes of Dubai. If given the case that the gatekeeper was honest and sincere, how would you believe the Janab would miss this opportunity. He or they would never ever reported this to the TUS's office or the Syedna himself as this would sum up to a huge amount (3 potlis!!!) From the pathetic language and narration, it seems the handiwork of some underpaid Abde to spread this blasphemy amongst fellow moron Abdes.

[SBM]

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If you believe this was nonsense then why bother posting this kind of messages. It serves no purpose at all (my 2 cents worth)

[Al Zulfiqar]

bhai oma,

i beg to disagree. posting the type of false and apocryphal stories that are deliberately let loose in the wind, serves to highlight the sinister agenda of the kothar to elevate the syedna to the status of allah.

it shows what is the agenda of the evil daawat. i had heard this b.s mojiza before. truth hurts just refreshed that memory again.

[anajmi]

If you believe this was nonsense then why bother posting this kind of messages. It serves no purpose at all (my 2 cents worth)

ONE OF THE PRIMARY REASONS FOR THIS WEBSITE IS TO POST NONSENSE DOLED OUT BY THE KOTHAR. OR DIDN'T YOU KNOW THAT?

[Truth Hurts]

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If you believe this was nonsense then why bother posting this kind of messages. It serves no purpose at all (my 2 cents worth)

Dear Oma,

We all are sane and intelligent enough to understand the narrated mojeza is nonsense and thats why we are different from the Abdes. However, the reason for this to be posted here, and as picked up and pointed out correctly by bro. Al Zulfikar, is to expose such hoax stories which are spread within. If you pause and think, the kothar uses this to target the educated professionals (doctors, engineers of the community) to stick to the orthodox systems and to make them believe in such mojeza so that they would not use their brains and start thinking otherwise. It is purely to keep the grip on the educated mass. The kothar or whoever originated this, certainly, is convinced that if this narrated by a doctor or an engineer or any kind of professional to their undereducated masses, they would definitely consider is as 100% true. As you may also consider, there are lot of abdes visiting these posts regularly and this would definitely make them think, if not wake them up completely.

[SBM]

Salaam
I agree with all of you AZ-Anjami-Porus and Turthhurts about the false propaganda
Yes I not only agree but I am certain that Kothari are monitoring this website just as Home Land Security in USA is watching every Muslim in USA. They have even deputed people to courter our posts, in the past they were uncivilized who only used abusive languages now we have some one who is here to refute all the proofs we provide
All I am saying is sometimes hashing up the old stuff (this is from 2008) may backfire on our current agenda. Most of the people posting have been dealing with current events and it seems that we have put Kotharis on the defensive and they are trying to wiggle out. We should give them some wiggle room as long as they understand ( from some of the postings by Abde, you can figure out that they know some of things posted here are true but since they have taken an Oath to defend, they are helpless)

[Al Zulfiqar]

bhai oma,

i would not give even a millimeter room to kothar to wiggle out of any crap they dish out.

as for re-hashing past scandals and stories, they too serve a purpose of reminding us of the long history of deception and lies that the kothar indulges in. bhai S. Insaf does a yeoman service in this regard. he brings up the long buried scandals of the past not only to heap further embarassment on the kothar, but also to educate and inform the new generation or the newcomers to this site.

sometimes we all forget the massive frauds committed by the evil gang as time passes by. refreshing them serves a valuable purpose and strengthens our resolve. as for the kothari agents on the forum, it is obvious to anyone they dont have a leg to stand on. the more they open their mouths, they more deeper their foot/feet goes in..

[Truth Hurts]

bhai oma,

i would not give even a millimeter room to kothar to wiggle out of any crap they dish out.

as for re-hashing past scandals and stories, they too serve a purpose of reminding us of the long history of deception and lies that the kothar indulges in. bhai S. Insaf does a yeoman service in this regard. he brings up the long buried scandals of the past not only to heap further embarassment on the kothar, but also to educate and inform the new generation or the newcomers to this site.

sometimes we all forget the massive frauds committed by the evil gang as time passes by. refreshing them serves a valuable purpose and strengthens our resolve. as for the kothari agents on the forum, it is obvious to anyone they dont have a leg to stand on. the more they open their mouths, they more deeper their foot/feet goes in..

Dear Oma,

This is a typical case I have tried to post eventhough it is almost 2 years old. Receiving an email in your Inbox from an engineer Abde and forwarding to your friends is the limit. But here it has a larger audience and from both the sides.

I have been recently visiting this site very often, and Bro. AZs polished language and thoughts, S. Insaf saheb great knowledge, your very straightforward posts and others have greatly impressed me. btw is there any link on this site where I can find more info on the 4 ustads. I want to know what exactly happened.

[ozmujaheed]

Oma has a point lets no regurgitate old stuff but make our comment relevant on current issues ?

We need Abdes who are on the edge, they go regularly to listen to the bayans, events and relays and come home thinking what a load of crap. Let us comment on every bayan and relay systematically and call the buff and you will notice our viewership grow and recruit potential resistance volunteers.

However our commentary has to remain within topic so that it is not perceived as complaining board and aimless bashing but an objective and interesting challenge. The Topic initiators should be allowed to moderate or reject comments ? Anyway if there is a better suggestion let us discuss ?

[aqs]

Never heard about this before, and definitely looks some mischievous Email doing the rounds to just make fun of Bohra's. And whenever Kothar wants to circulate something it comes from either Malumaat or other such sites and not emails and sms.

all such mails like seeing face of Syedna(tus) in moon or that a farman has come from Syedna(tus) that people should recite following Dua's as their is a strong chance of earth quake(after bhuj incident) were all fake, list is very long of these fake emails and sms doing rounds. So apply your logic before alleging things blindly

[Human]

Never heard about this before, and definitely looks some mischievous Email doing the rounds to just make fun of Bohra's. And whenever Kothar wants to circulate something it comes from either Malumaat or other such sites and not emails and sms.

Weren't you the one to mention before that Malumaat, zen, etc. are privately run websites and kothar does not have anything to do with them. You also said, they are just the akhbaar of what is moula doing and wherever he's going, full of pics. Just wondering why would something that kothaar wants to circulate come through the likes of malumaat when they are privately run websites. If there's some conspiracy material on them, they are outlined as privately run websites where kothar doesn't play any part. But when an official announcement is to come out, it comes from them. Just find it a bit intriguing!

[aqs]

My mistake

its generally relayed through Misaal shareefs and Malumaat and other sites produce the same copy

[SBM]

Human
it is called "FOOT IN THE MOUTH" disease.Like I said that Kothar has put a very civilized PR machine to refute charges on this forum but in my opinion they need more than one or two PR because the list is too long to defend

[Smart]

@aqs bhaisaheb,

Still defending the indefensible? The more you post your apologist posts, the more contradictions you are bound to create. People like Human are intelligent enough to spot these. Remember, those whom you are countering are not abdes, who blindly accept whatever nonsense it dished out.

More posts from you are very welcome. They help us take the reformist agenda forwards. Thanks.

[Al Zulfiqar]

Never heard about this before, and definitely looks some mischievous Email doing the rounds to just make fun of Bohra's. And whenever Kothar wants to circulate something it comes from either Malumaat or other such sites and not emails and sms.

all such mails like seeing face of Syedna(tus) in moon or that a farman has come from Syedna(tus) that people should recite following Dua's as their is a strong chance of earth quake(after bhuj incident) were all fake, list is very long of these fake emails and sms doing rounds. So apply your logic before alleging things blindly

aqs. would you say that an email coming from the jamaat office is a fake and mischievous? every week we people in toronto get atleast 1 email from jamaat office (email group) by one shaikh shabbirbhai ameen, who forwards emails of a bombay based bohra by the name of muder patharya, who inteviews all those people who claim that mojezas happened with them because of syedna. Muder's 2 tel nos and email address are attached to each and every email, so obviously its not fakes? many of those emails from jamaat have been copied on this forum.

when syedna was not well, or when there is some other important event, dawat sends out sms's to people in bombay and elsewhere, which are then frwded and circulated estensively. eg. do zabeh of bakras, pray for his health, etc. you said that kothar does not send sms's, so were these fake?

when the amils recite madehs and mention in vaez that syedna is more glowing and beautiful than the moon, (all the content and material of their vaez's is tightly controlled from kothar) is that also fake and mischievous?

aqs, your valiant attempts in preventing mud sticking on kothar and the beloved syedna are by now wearing so thin, that they actually have more holes in them than swiss cheese.

[ozmujaheed]

I now think aqs has been sent to distract and deviate issues on this forum...this is a ploy to mislead discussions so we spend more time defending our claims and confuse the readers who will loose interest as we tangle ourselves in arguments