The Dai is planning a trip to London.

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The Dai is planning a trip to London.

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Unread post by mumin » Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:35 pm

any one know the reason why?

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Sun Apr 11, 2010 2:52 pm

Probably to 'innaugurate' a galla near his beloved wife's grave which he didnt do for his mother.

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sun Apr 11, 2010 4:55 pm

mumin wrote:any one know the reason why?
do we care? the people living in london should though, their pockets are going to get much lighter...

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Unread post by Smart » Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:59 am

@mumin
Why else, except to fill his coffers? Allah only knows how much he can carry with him in the end.

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Mon Apr 12, 2010 8:36 am

Miya Sahebji’s opinion on Sayedna Saheb’s London visit:-

1) Health Reason: After the heck tick visit of Jamnagar, Morbi etc of Gujarat and Swarashtra towns (which had become necessary for the success of Bhindi Bazar development project), and then Milad celebration, his health has been effected and he as been taken to London for treatment. There are few important buildings in Bhindi Bazar whose owners are the Bohras from Gujarat and Swarashtra towns. Legal documents to transfer these buildings in Sayedna Saheb’s name were prepared in Mumbai and while local Bohras were kept busy in deedar the owners were compelled to sign them. After successfully doing that he does not want to remain in India till the heat has died down. (mamlo rafa dafa na thayee jaai).

2) Change of climate: Most parts of India are becoming hotter day by day so he was moved to a cooler place. Though he remains in air-condition atmosphere and heat does not affect him but due to heat the number of Bohras visiting him in Mumbai has reduced drastically.

3) Not sure, but there is some trouble either with the Great Britain charity trust or Habib bank.

4) May be he wants to remain away till the faith of Narendra Modi is finally decided by the Supreme Court. (This I am not convinced).
This is the opinion of an insider.

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Unread post by jungle999 » Mon Apr 12, 2010 11:09 am

what i have heard is he is coming to london for one day for the zaraat of his wife and goinging back to germany for the treatment .only go knows the truth

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Unread post by seeker110 » Mon Apr 12, 2010 4:01 pm

Lets hope he doesnt trip on his trip to London.

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Sun Apr 18, 2010 2:02 am

Is this a coincidence that as it is getting hotter in India he's looking to cool off in the Northern hemisphere ?

Is it true there are tax benefits of not staying too long in one place ?

The way Abdes talk about Bu saheba , soon they will be recalling her miracles. By the way what has she really done of significance for the community ?

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Unread post by aqs » Sun Apr 18, 2010 4:14 am

Just 2 examples should suffice

1) compiled a book which encompasses the whole life of a mumeen from birth to death, I dont remember the exact name but its generally referred as Bu sahiba sahifa. its a encyclopaedic work where every thing is covered under the light of sharia Mohammadi

2) compiled Sahifatus Salat, Duao -Syedna Moayyaed Shirazai r.a., Das Surat hafti

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Sun Apr 18, 2010 9:16 am

Sahifatus Salat , by Syedna Moayyaed Shirazai was published in Bohra Gujarati by Sharaf Ali &Co. Pydhuni, Bombay with Raza of Syedna Taher Saifuddin Saheb but was later on banned by the same Dai as it has clearly stated that it is duty of every believer to bury a dead whether it of a believer or of a person whoes religion is not known or even an enemy of Islam. It had shown different "Niyat" to taken in such cases. One requesting Allah that we do not know the religion of this person so it is for Your mercy to decide. Second Allah dead person remained astray and he was an enemy of Islam please forgives him.
As this was going against the late Syedna's policy of giving Raza for his loyalists only he banned the Sahifatus Salat popularly known as "Mota Sahifa" and declared Sharafuddin & Co. Jamatkharij.

About the new Sahifo published in 2005, altered and complied in the name of Bu Saheba,
PRINTERS OF NEW SAHIFO: Safe Offset Pvt. Ltd., B/211, Sussex Industrial Estate, Dadoji Konddeo Cross Marg, Byculla, Mumbai - 400 027
PUBLISHERS: Aljamea-tus-Saifiyah, Academy of 52nd Dai-al-Mutlaq, Sayedna Mohd. Burhanuddin, Badri Mahal, 211/213, Dr. D. Naoroji Road, Fort, Mumbai - 400 001

Professor Abdullah H. Hamdani, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada (E-mail: ahhamdani@hotmail.com) says about this new Sahifo that:
In the 10th century, Sayedna Kadi Noaman, who was the Chief Justice in the court of Imam Moiz Din-al-Allah (952 - 975), had compiled the Sahifo as known to us over centuries. The compilation consisted of details of various Shia Fatemi Ismaili topics, genealogies, texts, etc., which came down to us intact without any alteration, deletion or edition.
Unfortunately, the present Dai Mohammad Burhanuddin has taken the liberty of deleting the three prominent DAI-al-BALAQ who were appointed by Queen Arwa bint Ahmed (1133) to see that the Fatemi Ismaili faith continued after the 21st Imam Tayeb went to seclusion.
These three scholars and missionaries were: 1. Al Khattab bin Hassan Hamdani, 2. Malek bin Malek, 3. Yahya bin Malek.
With their advice, our first DAI-al-MUTLAQ, Zoeb bin Musa Alwadi, was appointed by Queen Arwa to lead our faith. Very sadly, the three above missionaries have been taken out in the new version of Sahifo. This makes the new Sahifo unauthentic and definitely adulterated, thereby loosing its true value.
The 'new' Sahifo also includes prayers of 51st and 52nd Dais, which was never in the true authentic Sahifo. This addition is unnecessary because then the Sahifo falls into the category of those unauthentic books such as Old Testament, New Testament and many other Christian historical books which have been doctorated, edited, deleted by the Popes and Clergies.
The new Sahifo should be in its original version. All alterations should be vehemently opposed by Dawoodi Bohra world-wide.

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Unread post by Smart » Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:12 am

Ozmujaheed,
The way Abdes talk about Bu saheba , soon they will be recalling her miracles. By the way what has she really done of significance for the community ?
Well marrying to the shafiq bawa and ghaib na maalik and naatiq quran and ilahul ardh is really a big deal. Isn't this significant enough?

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Unread post by SBM » Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:13 am

S Insaf All alterations should be vehemently opposed by Dawoodi Bohra world-wide.
I am sure that the old saying will come back from the defender which is "Haq Na Sahib" can make alteration as they see fit. :(

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:42 am

aqs why would you want to mislead and falsely credit Busaheba for plagiarize someones work ?

Back to facts what has she originally contributed ?

Why does she deserve a tomb ?

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Unread post by questions » Sun Apr 18, 2010 10:48 am

Thank you Insaf bhai .

Both my parents had their copies of the original sahifa. I got the new bu sahiba version as a gift and and now wish I hadn't. It just didnt feel kosher somehow.

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Unread post by aqs » Sun Apr 18, 2010 11:33 am

Professor Abdullah H. Hamdani, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada (E-mail: ahhamdani@hotmail.com) says about this new Sahifo that:

Insaaf saheb

isnt this Prof. Hamdani one of the supporters of Reformists ??

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Unread post by Fatwa Banker » Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:30 pm

The Dai is planning a trip to London. Any one know the reason why?
His arrival has been requested by the EU as they are in need of his services to clean the atmosphere off the volcanic ash. British Airways has dispatched a Concorde for him, with their logo replaced by "Mojiza Express". He will be recieved at the Heathrow airport by such dignitaries as the WWF Wrestler, Jew Don Boney (Mayor of Houston) and Prime Minister of UK James Browne. They will kick off the festivities with a group purjosh mataam upon his arrival and formally bestow him with the title of "best of all leaders in todays world ".

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Unread post by anajmi » Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:46 pm

aqs,
isnt this Prof. Hamdani one of the supporters of Reformists ??
That shouldn't change any fact that he has pointed out about anything at all if it is true. What we should worry about is whether things that have been said are true or not and not where the speakers allegiance is.

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:58 pm

Both Professor Abdullah H. Hamdani, Ontario, Canada and Professor Abbas Hamdani are internationally well Islamic scholars and they are originally from Syedna Saheb's family. Their opinion does count and the deviations that Professor Abdullah has pointed out are undebatable.

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Unread post by marabu » Sun Apr 18, 2010 7:29 pm

Brother Insaf,

Just for your information Abdulla Husein Hamdani of Hamilton .Ontario Canada is not an Islamic scholar (unlike Abbas Hamdani).What Abdulla Hamdani said maybe true but it is upto all of us to review information provided and grade it as level A(no question about it) or level B(some of the authorities believe it ) or level C (where evidence is not available).
Would like to asses the original info from which Brother A H Hamdani based his conclusions.

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Unread post by Hussain_KSA » Mon Apr 19, 2010 5:14 am

Dr. Abbas Hamdani and his duaghter Dr. Sumaiya Hamdani has done a marvelous job towards collecting the history of Ismailism and middle eastern history. I have posted recently a link about the latest book of Dr. Sumaiya Hamdani regarding the work of Syedna Qadi Noman. The articles written by both the father and daghters are worth reading. One of the ariticle of Dr. Abbas Hamdani on " Meesaque" is not only informative but an eye opener for the masses. During my last meeting with Dr. Abbas in Makkah was very memorable and I have learned a lot from him.

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:30 am

Shall we talk about the deviations in original Sahifa by Bu Saheba and the false credit given to her.

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:30 am

Has the volcano affected his travel ?

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Unread post by Smart » Wed Apr 21, 2010 1:53 am

S. Insaf wrote:Shall we talk about the deviations in original Sahifa by Bu Saheba and the false credit given to her.
yes, please do. All manipulations need to be exposed and the intentions behind should be discussed.

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Unread post by seeker110 » Wed Apr 21, 2010 12:50 pm

Why can mola do his phook thing and blow out the volcano,just like a birthday cake.He still is the mojiza master.

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Unread post by mumin » Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:02 pm

I fail to understand the reasoning behind purjosh matam on the Dai's birthday. can someone please explain? It seems that bohris are never allowed to smile or be happy. Be it misaq, birthday, marraige eid or any joyous occasion. There has to be compulsory matam. Since when did this start? In my young days when I was growing up right in the bohri mohalla of bombay there was no such thing. As a matter of fact the total month of ramazan was a happy occasion . In to days times ramadan has become an occasion to collect money and the so called khidmat guzars are tittled tax collectors and whoever collects the most wajebat from the bohri bakras is given a pat on the back by the local amil. such is the affairs of our holy religion in the leadership of his holiness ,our Dai .

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Unread post by S. Insaf » Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:54 pm

yes, please do. All manipulations need to be exposed and the intentions behind should be discussed.
Brother Smart, Sorry you have to wait for few days as I am away from my office.

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Unread post by mumin » Thu Apr 22, 2010 6:51 pm

from my ealier post i would like to make it clear that i am not questioning the sanctity of our dai , who am I anyway to question the leadership, but to let those miscreants know how it hurts our religion when for the sake of few coins they sell the high esteem of our dawat. and sell themselves too. They do not realize the consequences when these money titled sheikhs and mullas go around in our congregations with their first class acting befooming the ordinary bohra and extending their hand out expecting the ordinary bohra to kiss their hand with tasleem etc. as if they were very pious . Such uneducated sheikhs and mullas stink in their white garb and feta.

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Fri Apr 23, 2010 6:15 am

Back to BuSaheba, since no Abde has answered she probably done nothing more than being the matriarch

Wonder why we do not build tombs for had all past Diai's and Imams wives', ?

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:09 pm

Vignettes: Waaz Mubarak Molatona Fatema (as) – London

“May Allah give you barakat in your love, may Allah give you barakat in your tears!”

“Weep for Allah so much that for every tear there will be 1000 houses in Paradise for you.”

“May you be kept far from those people who upon hearing such narratives feel nothing, who do not weep when they hear the story of Imam Husain, who do not even make themselves appear as if crying.”

The shedding of tears is a foremost form of worship; the worship for which all Jinn and humans have been created.

Huzurala (tus) focused on every mother and said, “You are responsible, if in the end your children are lost to you how desolate will you feel?”

Huzurala (tus) recalled the last hours of Molatena Fatema’s life (as) when she tended to Imam Hasan and Husain (as). In her final will to Molana Ali (as) she asked that he fulfil her outstanding debt of motherhood to them.

Warning against ever causing a Mumin hurt; “If you cause one tear to fall from a Mumin’s eye then that tear will ultimately shear you, may Allah protect you!”

Huzurala (tus) read out the counsel given by Rasulullah (sa) – “Avail of five (situations) before five; of youth before it turns to old age, of fitness before ill health, of wealth before destitution, of opportunity before it passes and life before death.”

Huzurala (tus) also encouraged the seeking of further education even after marriage, “Does any college have a notice above its entrance saying ‘No married students’!”

May Allah protect our beloved Aqamola (tus) in health and fitness for as long as eyes shed tears upon Imam Husain (as)!

http://akhbar.mumineen.org/2010/04/25/v ... as-london/

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Wed Apr 28, 2010 5:12 pm

Ladies Qadambosi Bethak – London

Huzurala (tus) graciously granted Muminaat baheno sharaf of qadambosi at London’s Husaini Masjid on Saturday 12th Jamadil Awwal.

Huzurala (tus) arrived at 11am and including a short break for namaaz the bethak lasted well past 2pm. In that time close to 2000 Muminaat baheno and children received the azeem sharaf of qadambosi. (2000 x HOW MANY POUNDS ? )

The organisation was especially commendable and nobody missed out on their chance of qadambosi. All the ladies and children did qadambosi with great tamakkun and special arrangements were put in place for the elderly and those in wheelchairs or in need of assistance.

Huzurala’s (tus) relaxed and contented countenance epitomised the mood of all those who were present for a day that no one present will ever forget and the barakaat of which will last for generations of Mumineen and their children.May Allah t’aala give Molana long life and sehat o aafiyah ta qiyamat

http://akhbar.mumineen.org/2010/04/25/l ... ak-london/