kadam bossi of TUS, how islamic?

[Guest]

Kissing the legs of dai is our tradition but how correct is it any comments?

[Guest]

Kissing the paak kadam of Dai-ul-Mutlaq is for the gaining of barakat. In Rasulullah's time, the same thing hapenned. Mind you the spirit is living in the body. The spiritual and the material have combined and live in co-existence. The effect of the pure soul falls on the body. And the body to gets purified. Kadambosi is also a sign that we accept the Dai as our jaan na kibla. Don't we bow towards the kiblaa? The Kaaba is a physical sturcture. When the whole of Muslim kind give tawaaf to this pure physical structure and direct their namaaz towards it, isn't it necessary to bow ourselves to our spiritual kiblaa, who is Imam-uz-Zamaan and his Dai.

[khan19922001]

Dear Huzaifa

Can you prove from any authentic source that the "qadam bossi" as practiced by the Bohra was practiced by the Prophet (PBUH). I feel that the whole idea of kissing feet is derogatory and not at in line with the spirit and teachings of Islam. More in line with the Hindu traditions, where from unfortunately most of the Bohra rituals emerge.

It is sheer stupidity to believe that "qadam bossi" can give barakat. Reading prayers 5 times would probably give more barakat and sawab. What about all females kiising the feet of a non-mehram male. I would be disgusted and ashamed if my wife or daughters ever went for a "qadam bossi"

Regards

[saif]

Is it kissing of the HH's or his reps' feet, legs
or mor their thighs - just near where their groins are? Mst be a titliating experience for the perverted Mullas, Sheikhs, Bhaisahebs or Shehzadaas or our illustrious leader!!

I first saw this personally when my nephew's bride had to kiss the Nikah officiating Bhaisaheb's thighs and I literally pewked.

And they call this practice Islamic - more pornographic, one would have thought.!

[saif]

Is it kissing of the HH's or his reps' feet, legs
or mor their thighs - just near where their groins are? Mst be a titliating experience for the perverted Mullas, Sheikhs, Bhaisahebs or Shehzadaas or our illustrious leader!!

I first saw this personally when my nephew's bride had to kiss the Nikah officiating Bhaisaheb's thighs and I literally pewked.

And they call this practice Islamic - more pornographic, one would have thought.!

[ado sayed]

BOHRA RELIGION MORE OF HINDUISM AND OTHER ISMS THAN ISLAM!

WE SHOULDN'T BALME THOSE BAISAIBS BUT US FOR BELIEVING THOSE WITHOUT USING OUR BRAIN.

THERE WILL BE TIME OUR BAISSAIBS WILL ASK THE BRIDES TO SLEEP WITH THEM FIRST DAY BEFORE THE MARRIAGE, TO GET THE BLESSING.

THESE CRIMINAL WOMENISERS SHOULD BE HANGED PUBLICLY.

[ado sayed]

BOHRA RELIGION MORE OF HINDUISM AND OTHER ISMS THAN ISLAM!

WE SHOULDN'T BALME THOSE BAISAIBS BUT US FOR BELIEVING THOSE WITHOUT USING OUR BRAIN.

THERE WILL BE TIME OUR BAISSAIBS WILL ASK THE BRIDES TO SLEEP WITH THEM FIRST DAY BEFORE THE MARRIAGE, TO GET THE BLESSING.

THESE CRIMINAL WOMENISERS SHOULD BE HANGED PUBLICLY.

[JC]

I fully agree with Khan and Saif.

Qadam Bossi is something shameful and from hindus.

bohras not only kiss the knees and thighs of burhan but of every tom, dick and harry of his family.

Hey Royal family Wallas - what about the ladies of royal family giving this type of barakat to bohra men ..??!!! How would you like that.
Bohra men in queue to kiss the feet and thighs of Bahan Sahibs and Shahzadees and getting tons of sawab and barakat ...!!!!!!

[mbohra]

Kissing thighs in Mississauga, Ontario Canada during 1427 LailatulQadr night, last week.

http://www.torontojamat.ca/Ntorontojama ... CF0040.JPG

[spot]

this topic has been covered by several individuals over the past couple of years...see the link below:

http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/cgi-bin/U ... 1;t=000302

[feelgud]

Originally posted by huzaif:
Kissing the paak kadam of Dai-ul-Mutlaq is for the gaining of barakat. In Rasulullah's time, the same thing hapenned. Mind you the spirit is living in the body. The spiritual and the material have combined and live in co-existence. The effect of the pure soul falls on the body. And the body to gets purified. Kadambosi is also a sign that we accept the Dai as our jaan na kibla. Don't we bow towards the kiblaa? The Kaaba is a physical sturcture. When the whole of Muslim kind give tawaaf to this pure physical structure and direct their namaaz towards it, isn't it necessary to bow ourselves to our spiritual kiblaa, who is Imam-uz-Zamaan and his Dai.

1.will you plz quote when in Rasulullah's time the same thing(Qadam bosi) happened?

2.""The effect of the pure soul falls on the body.''''----CANT YOU GET THIS EFFECT W ITHOUT TOUCHING PURE SOUL.

3.when we make tawaf to qibla so we can make tawaf to the person as well.
coz we pray towards direction of kaaba so we can pray towars anything we can assume our qibla.
we have a physical qibla and a spiritual qibla so we can do same thing with both?

I dont know why some people with these great ideas go for Hajj.

[spot]

feel gud,
please see the link i posted...the brothers in that thread quoted the hadith and answered the same question your asking.

[feelgud]

dear spot,
refer to your link:
http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/cgi-bin/U ... 1;t=000302

Originally posted by qiyam:
Dear Anajmi,
Were the brothers of Yusuf Nabi worship him when they fell in prostration (sajadah) to him? No.
Did the angels that prostrated for Adam Nabi worship him? No.

So if prostration is only for Allah (outside of worship)...what were they doing?

Dear Mhd. Hussein,
You didn't finish the quotation...the Prophet did not allow the sajadah to him in fear that they may worship him as a diety...worship (in any position is for Allah alone). This is why the Prophet allowed them to kiss his hands and feet (qadam bosi).

Prostration is the height of physical expression a servant can do to show his loyalty to His Lord.Thatswhy its meant for Almighty only.

How come yusuf's brothers act will be justified an act to be followed?Just because they are mentioned in Quran?or they were brother's of a nabi?So what abt Abraham's father,Noah's son?

Prostration was ordered by Allah to test angels and their chief ,so they did.
Obeying one's master is the only duty of the servant,hardly matters what is said.
Was it allowed for coming generations it would have been mentioned in the Quran as an order for believers.

yes,where did you get this idea that Prophet allowed to kiss feet or Qadambosi in urdu?

[Muslim First]

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Husaif wrote

Kissing the paak kadam of Dai-ul-Mutlaq is for the gaining of barakat. In Rasulullah's time, the same thing hapenned.

Husaif
You lier!
Who taugh you that Prophet of Islam SAW practiced Kadam Bosi?

Produce a authentic Hadith or be dammed!
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[Final Destination]

Dear All,
First of all a very Happy Eid Mubarak to all the members. Hope all that we endeavour in good faith produces positive result here and hereafter.
Now the link Member #748 SPOT has given reads mainly about argument between sajda of shukr in context with current topic of Kissing feet.
I understand Sajda is bowing down and touching your Forehead and Nose tip on the earth which is where you are closest to Allah and thanking HIM to send down examples of Men from Prophet (PBUH) upto Dai. Well Kissing his feet is then entirely a different thing. It is more between the momeen and the Dái,how he gives and how Daí receives him. And tht can be left upto Daí to be answerable infront of Allah.
In my opinion its none of our business to know if we beleive or just dont preach it. I dont think this arguments can in anyway rescue others from doing this act of kissing feet thighs or whatever..
Well yes I do agree Kissing his feet is no substitute to Kaaba and dont forget these days its getting EXPENSIVE to even kiss his feet. So why bother going for Kadambosi and in any case Ive never heard the Dai say he is substitute to Kaaba and stop people from going for Haj.
Ive done kadambosi and I pray to Allah that if it was Shirk then forgive me! Well ive not found any drastic gains or magic until now. Though there seems to be a spritual power but it can also be a fear of being out of the herd.
Sad but true we have lot of brain washed and blind faith people.
ONCE AGAIN I SERIOUSLY APPEAL TO ALL THAT RELIGION IS TO UNDERSTAND, PREACH WITH FAITH , NOT WITH BLIND FAITH.
My appologies without prejudice if by chance Ive hurt anyone's sentiments and MAY ALLAH FORGIVE!

[spot]

final destination,
you didn't read the thread beyond the first lines did you?

sajad as'sukar is qadam bosi...and it was a common practice with the prophet. the only time he denied it was so that the ignorant early muslim wouldn't take it as a form of worship of him. there are many hadiths where the prophet and imams allowed the practice.

below is the original thread for the link which quotes the hadiths and ayats.

http://www.dawoodi-bohras.com/ubb/Forum ... 00294.html

[Final Destination]

SPOT Read what Anajmi has to say..its quite right and you will understand. The Idea of sajda or kissing business has gone tooooo far from its actual simplicity and has become one of the weapons of making money exactly the way you go to Hindu Temples and give GURUDAKSHINA. If Dai is for Momeen and Momeen are for him then why all the fuss? Well the problem is that ppl around him who are in command has made it like a trading service. Special offer when you pay this much etc..We are not far from shirk. GOD IS ONE AND ONLY ONE.

[Final Destination]

I shall name this topic as "KHOZEMA NI FITNAT". Khozema soon you'll be famous in Bayans! .
I HOPE YOU ARE NOT MAZOON IN DISGUISE~!

[Muslim First]

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Look at this picture of Kadam-Bosi

This Momin (actully true Mumin will never do that) is really kissing the Pak feet!
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[spot]

final destination,
i did read what anajmi wrote...and he was wrong in what he wrote then.

sujud in and of itself is not worship...this is a completely false idea. no action is worship except when a niyyat of worship is with it. this is concurrent in the four madhabs of the sunni and the shia madhabs. salat is null if a niyyat (intention) of worship was first said.

this has nothing to do with hindu customs or anything other worship.

this was practiced by the prophet and the imams and is in the quran as examples of respect and honor.

and you know what...no is forcing anyone do any this...so what is your offense to it.

[Muslim First]

Spot Wrote:

this was practiced by the prophet and the imams and is in the quran as examples of respect and honor.

AS
You are lying. Produce a Hadith which says Prophet practiced Kadam Bosi

Wasalaam

[pro_pig]

mf,
i cannot understand why u guys care what we do (kadam bosi) this is personal matter of mumi that we kissing pak feet of aqa maula.pls prog mind your own busniess.

[spot]

dear muslim first,
please do not call me a liar when you have little to support your own opinion other than jest.

you were part of the discussions with qiyam in the thread...you have (as then) provided little in support you point of view from or to degrade the one for qadam bosi.

you want ayats and hadith...they are on the thread. if this is so hard i will post them on this thread again.

Qadam bosi in proper form is to do salam and kissing the right knee of your spirtual guide.

From the Quran:

Surah Baqara 34. And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith.

2)The second one quoted in Quran is the sajada of respect to Yusuf Nabi(saw) by his brothers.

3)Third one is of Bani Israel on the doorstep of Jerusalem.

4)Fourth one is of the respect of Saleh Nabi's (as) she camel.

5)Running in between Safa and Marwah has been termed as Shaeeril Allah (signs of Allah)in respect of Bibi Hajira (ra).

From sunni hadiths:

Abu Dawood, Book 41, Number 5206:
Narrated al-Wazi' ibn Zari':
Umm Aban, daughter of al-Wazi' ibn Zari', quoting his grandfather, who was a member of the deputation of AbdulQays, said: When we came to Medina, we raced to be first to dismount and kiss the hand and foot of the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him). But al-Mundhir al-Ashajj waited until he came to the bundle of his clothes. He put on his two garments and then he went to the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him).

[feelgud]

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Surah Baqara 34. And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith.
------1.who said? ,Allah (said not says)
2.To whom?,Angels(not to human being)
3.order ?,Bow down to Adam(Bow down to Adam,the first nabi and the first man created, not to every human being)

the lesson of the context is that disobeying Allah amounts to rejection of faith, hardly matters whatever is being ordered.

Had He told us to Bow down (physically)to every human being(even he is pious )?

Wasn't that incident meant for testing arrogance?
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2)The second one quoted in Quran is the sajada of respect to Yusuf Nabi(saw) by his brothers.
---we are asked to follow Yousuf (saw)not his brothers.
what do you think about Nooh's son,loot's wife and Abrahm's father.
should we follow them just because they were relatives of prophets and mentioned in Quran.
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3)Third one is of Bani Israel on the doorstep of Jerusalem.
---I agree ,
one may bow down at the doorstep of any worship place,entrance of his house etc ,to show gratefulness and thanksgiving to Allah as the bani Israel were ordered to do so.
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4)Fourth one is of the respect of Saleh Nabi's (as) she camel.
---will you plz elaborate this for me.
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5)Running in between Safa and Marwah has been termed as Shaeeril Allah (signs of Allah)in respect of Bibi Hajira (ra).
---I completely agree with you as it is ordered by Allah (Running in between Safa and Marwah,during Hajj not all the time)

wassalam

[Muslim First]

Spot

I goggled and found following;

Source: http://www.sunnah.org/nl/v0101/letters.html

Bismillah Walhamdulillah Was Salaatu Was Salaam 'ala Rasulillahsalam walaikum. Recently I had the pleasure to spend time with the deputy grand mufti of Syria, Sheik Mohammed Rajab. He is a mufti in all four schools of Sunni fiqh and also has studied the Jaffiryaa madhab as well. He is a hafiz of Quran and Hadith and has been given ijaza to teach Quran, Tafseer, all the books of Hadith, all four Madhabs and tazkiyaat al nafs. I say this to you because I asked him on two things.

Q) What is the ruling on kissing the hands and feet? Sheik Rajab said," it is allowed to kiss the hands of someone out of respect and love. It is not allowed to kiss someone’s feet."
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Here is my response to PRP-FROG in Forum “a even more radical thought (Page 3)â€

[spot]

muslimfirst,
other than the hadith of jafar ibn abi talib...the rest is the opinions of scholars (assumed to reference the quran and hadiths).

let deal with the scholars first. i quoted and can quote just as more incidents in the quran where sujud was perform to venerate (not worship) individual...and these being prophets. i quoted a hadith, and there are many more other there, where the prophet allowed the kissing of the hand and sujud (not in worship) to him.

what are the scholars you reference looking at then?

[pro_pig]

all these scholars should be in U N meeting or helping to resolve problem in iraq to save all muslims brothers and sisters.

[Muslim First]

what are the scholars you reference looking at then?

I do not know bur if they are authentic then they definitaly looked at them and 1.3 B Muslims would be kissing Scholars's feet.

"Allah has sent a Messenger to us from Him, who ordered us not to prostrate to anyone except Allah, the Exalted and Most Honored.

Is'nt this sufficient for you?

I will ask you to carefully read this again.

Sajdah & Kadambosi
http://www.islamhelpline.com/view_answers.asp?QAID=4235

i quoted a hadith, and there are many more other there,

Produce it Brother.

Wasalaam
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[Muslim First]

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Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 22 Surah Hajj verse 77:O you who believe, do ‘rukoo’ and ‘sajdah’ to Allah Alone, worship Allah Alone, and do righteous deeds. It may be that you attain true success.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 41 Surah Fusselat verse 37:Do not do ‘sajdah’ to the sun and the moon, but do ‘sajdah’ to that Allah, Who Created them, if you really are indeed His worshippers.

Yusuf Ali's comment on 41.37
Night and Day are opposites, and yet, by the alchemy of Allah, they can both sub serve the purpose of human good, because the Night can give rest while the Day can promote activity. The Sun and the Moon are similarly complementary. So, in moral and spiritual affairs, seeming opposites may by Allah's alchemy be made to sub serve the purposes of Good. They are but instruments: Allah is the Cause. Adore Allah, and not the things which He has created. Use the things which He has created, but do not adore them.

Is'nt your Maulana not a created being?
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[pro_pig]

mf,
if you r so smart and scholar why dont you help another muslim brothers and sister who are indeed of help.i dont know you,that you are dawoodi bohra or progressive or muslim, i dont care just leave our maulana alone.nobody is forcing you to kiss pak kadam and we dont need your comments.if u see hindu,they worship snake,cows,rat,monkey and etc we dont go and tell them what to worship every body has their own systems.