PLEASE HELP OUR RIYADH MUMINEEN...

[never_assume]

really nice from both of your Aarif and Anajmi

[RiyadhMumin]

FB.

YAMANI'S[/color][/u] have our own thaal.

Are you from hamdani or heraji family? i dont think so? Hmmm, trying to hide ur realself. Have guts tell your grudges to Jamaat or personally confide to Aamil.

I am also from Riyadh.....

[SBM]

Hmmm, trying to hide ur realself. Have guts tell your grudges to Jamaat or personally confide to Aamil.

How about you? you have not given your real identity and you are the ABDE
Instead of asking that stupid question, can you refute the charges leveled by NA.How about you having guts to show these posts to Aamil and see what is his reaction?
Progressives have reasons to hide their identity but you ABDES, what are you afraid of, after all you are defending the Masters any way, they should reward you for standing up to Progressives by showing your real identity.........

[never_assume]

RiyadhMumin

Are you from hamdani or heraji family? i dont think so? Hmmm, trying to hide ur realself. Have guts tell your grudges to Jamaat or personally confide to Aamil.

I am also from Riyadh.....

If you are from Riyadh so you must be knowing Mustafa/Durriyah Badshah and Juzer/Durriyah Tambawala and also there bad habits and all kind of stuff they are doing... so don't try to ask me... who am I ? if you are aware of all these issues so try to help and sove the problem what is happening in Riyadh.. so don't be smart... try to help in my issue and be a genuine person.

omabharti
How about you? you have not given your real identity and you are the ABDE
Instead of asking that stupid question, can you refute the charges leveled by NA.How about you having guts to show these posts to Aamil and see what is his reaction?
Progressives have reasons to hide their identity but you ABDES, what are you afraid of, after all you are defending the Masters any way, they should reward you for standing up to Progressives by showing your real identity.........

Thanks for your moral support and fact answer to riyadhmumin,

[RiyadhMumin]

If you are from Riyadh so you must be knowing Mustafa/Durriyah Badshah and Juzer/Durriyah Tambawala and also there bad habits and all kind of stuff they are doing... so don't try to ask me... who am I ? if you are aware of all these issues so try to help and sove the problem what is happening in Riyadh.. so don't be smart... try to help in my issue and be a genuine person.

omabharti
Thanks for your moral support and fact answer to riyadhmumin,

Dear Never_assume, I know Badshah , but it is his personal problem like not keeping beard, chatting during bayan etc. What is your actual problem, personal grudge against the said people, or you/your wife not able to get any position in Jamaat affairs? Are you one of the shaikh who is sidelined? I dont know your intention of publishing your woes in Progressive forum who hate our Dai. DO YOU WANT TO BE ONE OF THEM? Beware that you dont become Munafik like the one of Umabharti whose moral support you are seeking.
Also What help you need from other Mumins in Riyadh. you can contact me on RiyadhMumin@yahoo.com.

[SBM]

RiyadMumin
Thank you for your fatwa of being declared Munafik (do you know the definition or this is what you were told in SABAK). At least by visiting this website NA was able to get in touch with you, You seemed like one of the insider who has been asked to monitor this site and thanks for visiting and let us see if you can help NA for the allegation leveled against the Jamatis
BTW How come it is ok for some one not having BEARD and be a close member of Aamil while others have been humiliated in public for not having beard. DOUBLE STANDARD HUMMMMMMMMM.........

[RiyadhMumin]

My Dear Umabharti,
Munafik means who dont belive yet make themselves look as believer. This is what you progressives are. You dont believe in current Dai, and yet make a official stand to recognise him as right ful Dai. WHAT A DOUBLE STANDARD hmmmm!!!!. You dont have balls & guts to make your belief (hate for dai & not recognizing him as rightful succesor) as your official stand lest you lose yourself to call Dawoodi Bohras. By the way the person name by NA is not a Jamaat member and no where close to Aamil!!

[SBM]

Riyadh Mumin
Once again you assumed that I do not believe in Dai, show me a single posting by me on this forum where I have stated that.
Now double standard, let me question your honesty, Are not Aamils and Shezaadas and Kotharis have double standards
Shaukat Sarkar who had a supari was knighted as Shaikh and many of the Kotharis attended his funeral knowing well he was involved all kind of illegal activities while bashing and beating one of their own Tezoon Shakir in Mumbai
People who care are usually the one who criticizes and want to bring positive changes, others either become Abdes by accepting status quo or Cowards by walking away, I am neither of them.
I THINK NA HAD MORE ISSUES WITH LOCAL JAMAAT AND I HOPE, YOU BEING A DIE HARD SUPPORTER WILL HELP RESOLVE THOSE ISSUES BETWEEN NA AND OTHERS.
I have said I am still e jamaat member and I only attend 3 programs a year. Local Aamil has told me he MAY not perform any religious rites for me (due to my lack of attendance and being a good ABDE) but guess what, there are many more(other Aamils of other Bilaads) who would take care of it,money talks and other walks

[SBM]

Riyad Mumin
According to you a Muafik is one who doesnot believe or follow but act as a believer and follower
Here are the Farmans of Syedna
Pray your Namaz five times a day, Read Quran every day, Fast 30 days in Ramadan, Stay out of Riba, Do not drink Alcohol, be humble , Do not do Ghibaat (Syedna Taher Saifuddin's famous Naihaat, Allah taala nu Hamd tu karje) and Purjosh Maatm
My observation the only Farman Abdes follow is Purjosh Maatam
example I have given Shaukat Sarkar dabbled in all kinds of illegal activities including his hotel in Mumbai serving alcohol and I know he personally consumed it too.(didnot follow any other farmans)....but was Shaikh and half of Sarkar tower in Mumbai is occupied by Kothari Shezaadaas
SO AS PER YOUR DEFINITION, MAJORITY OF ABDES ARE MUANFIK

[never_assume]

Dear Never_assume, I know Badshah , but it is his personal problem like not keeping beard, chatting during bayan etc. What is your actual problem, personal grudge against the said people, or you/your wife not able to get any position in Jamaat affairs? Are you one of the shaikh who is sidelined? I dont know your intention of publishing your woes in Progressive forum who hate our Dai. DO YOU WANT TO BE ONE OF THEM? Beware that you dont become Munafik like the one of Umabharti whose moral support you are seeking.

‘RM’ It’s not personal problem like not keeping beard or chatting during Bayan, but I can come back to your own words what you are using very often MUNAFIQ or MUNAFIQEEN, so I believe that if you know Mustafa Badshah very well, so let me refresh your memory… apart of not keeping beard and chatting in bayan you must be knowing that he is very heavy Alcoholic person and a Chain Smoker, weather its month of Moharam or Ramadan any time for him is common and investing money in interest (Ribaah)…both eating and giving interest (Ribaah)… also womanizer… and in Riyadh presently many families has broken with them because of such bad habits, not having good relationship with them…

But why Jannab of Riyadh is having a good relationship with M.Badshah? ‘RM’ you will glad to know that whenever Jannab of Riyadh want to use internet or download some files from wazarrat, So M.Badshah use to take Jannab to his house, well its understood that Mr.Jannab is alone without family and if you take bachelor in your family bedroom were his wife Durriyah M Badshah serving juices and hot tea/coffee to Jannab, so why M.Badshah wouldn’t be favourite of Jannabshaheb, then who cares, weather he smoke or drink, as long as Jannab is getting his self satisfaction, Jannab don’t like cook in the kitchen of Markaz who chews Tobacco, but he like M.Badshah, isn’t its looks funny…

Even when Aka Maula was in Saudi Arab in Makah and Medina for Umbra this two families, male members didn’t shave there head after umbra with Aka Maula and left without Kadam Boshi and Juzer Tambawala’s son did not perform Umbra because he did not want to shave his head and you are asking question of hating Dai? Tell me who loves our dai or not... when our Maula was here where were these two families hiding and why our Jannab didn’t take action, I should say RM’ you are the most stupid and idiotic person on this planet earth, but you still don’t know the real faces of these people.

We are discussing to take there duties of (M.Badshah’s wife Durriyah B.) and (J.Tambawala’s wife Durriyah T.) from BWA, because of not hating the Dai or loving Dai, but we respect our Dai’s Hadiya and sarraf given to other mumineen’s and they are not getting there rights because of this Munafiq families of Riyadh… were they butter Jannab with Salaam and hadiya and there lusty talks, also few Jammat members of Riyadh are involved with this families (Reference will be provide if required…), I, myself, my family and my team (supporters) we don't want our-self any kind of position in BWA or Jammat or even Sheikh or Mulla… nor some personal grudge… this all I mention in my previous post. Our aim is to get the right Khidmaat to the right people not such people like Badshah or Tambawala.

Let me tell you ‘RM’ that ‘Omabharti’ is only supporting the right matter, you should understand that only your second or third post ‘O.B’ is trying to clear you with you silly error’s and mistake, trust me there are lots of other members on this forum, if they will enter in this debate so I think you will run with your slippers on your head and if you say: ‘Munafiq or Munafiqeen’, you should know the real meaning of this word which you are using very often, I believe you need to read Quran properly rather then taking side of M.Badshah’s or J.Tambawala’s problem and considering others as Munafiq’


Definition of a Non-believing Hypocrite (Munafiq/Munafiqeen)

Hypocrites pretend to be believers when in the company of Muslims, but when they retire to their intimate friends, they show their true colors. They are described in the Quran:
*{When they meet those who believe, they say: "We believe"; but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say: "We are really with you: We (were) only jesting."}*(Al-Baqarah 2:14)

Allah Almighty describes the hypocrites in the Quran as the following:
*{ The hypocrites, men and women, (have an understanding) with each other: They enjoin evil, and forbid what is just, and are close-fisted with their hands. They have forgotten Allah so He has forgotten them. Verily the hypocrites are rebellious and perverse.}*(At-Taw bah 9:67)

NOTE# I don’t know how much you know M.Badshah, but I know him from Bay-Takki, above Café Paradise, Bohri Mohalla and in Saudi Arab from Dammam and also in Riyadh,if you want to know what happen in Dammam… he and his wife were humiliated and insulted in front of many families in majalis regarding the lady issue, but please don’t make me wild and open my open, it a small request, if you talk to M.Badshah simply tell him to pull back his wife from BWA actives, Inshalllah then we will handle J.Tambawala royally. Trust me.

[never_assume]

O.B.

ONCE AGAIN THANKS FOR YOUR MORAL SUPPORT.

[RiyadhMumin]

Dear NeverAssume,
I dont want to know the history of badshah. Also not right to dicusss about anybody when he is not invovled and on his back. As for your information. I am just a common mumin of riyadh. Not any shiekh or mulla. Nor member of Jamaat. Your allegation may be true ot false i dont know. Wahtever you said may be his personal issues. As far as i know there are lot of mumins in Riyadh who dont have full beard and are part of jamaat. tolerated may be bcoz of circumstances here in Saudi Arabia. As far as your allegation regarding internet access at the persons home, it is simple he may have offered to allow to janab saheb to access at his home. i am sure if u were in his place janab would also have visited your home. I am pretty sure you love Aka moula (tus) as any other mumineen and Inshallah it would continue!! Allah and Moula save you from the dai hater munafikins. Also i request you to not to make any personal allegation on any person behind his back even you if you think you are right. If you truly love our Dai(tus) just keep away from people like Umabharti. If you have time just go through thier post in the forum and you will know what kind of respect they have towards dawaat and our practices.
Just remember where you will head once you are out of the fold of Dai's daman. The people you are seeking support will take you away from the love of the Dai & Dawat. I dont have any ill intention or feeling towards you but please dont make cheap allegation in this forum on any person who is not here to defend it.

[SBM]

As far as i know there are lot of mumins in Riyadh who dont have full beard and are part of jamaat. tolerated may be bcoz of circumstances here

Riyadh Mumin
Can you explain this statement, of all the places in the world, you are saying that Saudi does not allow full beard
This is Saudi we are talking not France or Germany.
If you can wear STD and Rida and walk freely in Saudi ( I saw many of them in Haram Sharif during my Umrah and some of them even had their topis while performing Umrah which is not allowed even by our own diktats) so your statement is little off base.
In any case you did not answer, "DO YOU HAVE GUTS TO PRESENT THESE ALLEGATIONS TO THE AAMIL IN RIYADH, since you challenged NA

[never_assume]

If you don’t want to know history of M.Badshah so why the hell you are involving your-self in this issue, I think you are Mustafa Badshah… that is the reason you know your-self better, so come out and face the fact, you don’t have shame, that you and your wife along with Tambawala’s family been humiliated, what your children will think and I feel goosy... when I think about Tambawala’s son and daughter will read this link… What will happen...shameless characters on this earth… but you think you are superior and you feel sympathy against in this matter… No need to give me any information that you are a common Mummeen of Riyadh … but you are your-self M.Badshah…

My allegation is 100% true and your friends have given me the correct information regarding your-self what you did in Dammam who was with you and what you are doing now Halal, Haram and still you want your wife to be active in BWA actities. I feel shame on other ladies in BWA, that they too are involved in these issues. What circumstances you are talking in Saudi Arabia , “tell me were they tell you not to keep beard in kingdom”. I have contact of Mutawah’s and I can give your address of your Mawarid Company that you have problem to grow beard in kingdom. Trust me you will f- - - royally.

No way, I will not allow any person in my personal bedroom whether he is Jannab or any common person. I think tomorrow Jannab will ask some more personal excess in your personal life or wife, so I think you will also allow him… for you it doesn't matter, you see others wife's in same manner...you are as great as your name ‘Badshah’…

YES’ I love Aka maula that is why I want to remove Munafiqeen people like you from this hypocrite practices, and I want you to be same like me to love Aka Maula instead of give side to Munafiq people. and no need for me to pray look at your- self in mirror you will find the answer.

Well as per your pervious post you know M.Badshah well... but still you want to take his side… so how come you say O.B is not the right person, for your kind information no need to tell me about my true love of Dia’ if you/Badshah had true love of Dia’ so you/Badshah shouldn’t run away from Makkah without Kadam Bohsi Informing people that have problem in office. So tell me one thing is your/Badshah is office greater then Dia’? That means you/Badshah don’t have a little courtesy or love against Dai’ and writing other's that keep away from O.B. because you cannot digest the truth and O.B is showing you, your face in the mirror, so I should keep away from him and if this same O.B would have given you support so then O.B would be the best pal of your life. No need to tell me, go through O.B post in this forum. I know everything. If this forum is not good and against Dai’ and Dawat’ so what the hell you are doing in this forum, are you Baba Ramdev preaching us. Get lost…

First you try to come in this Dai’s fold and the be hero for others rather then advising like chamcas' If you/Badshah have enough love for Dai’ and Dawat’ so tell Durriyah Badshah and Durriyah Tambawala to come out of this BWA actives and give this activies to the right ladies who deserved this, this will show his love against Dai’ and Dawat’ that is more then enough. Instead of pointing others show your love and let others follow and not, so I still have more stuff to remove mask from your/Badshah face. Don’t forget your days in Dammam remember and don’t let it be happening again.

[Fatwa Banker]

N/A,

Again, how has this gentleman's lack of facial hair, alcoholism and womanizing affected your Yamani wife ?

[Al Zulfiqar]

i was hoping not to interject on this thread, but it really is a torture reading it. i cannot describe it, but the overall tone and content is so petty and trivial, it somehow manages to reach the depths of the lowest common denominator.

the only breaks in the deadly monotony, whether by evil design or harmless intent seem to come only from the acidic pen and devilish wit of FB..

[never_assume]

N/A,
Again, how has this gentleman's lack of facial hair, alcoholism and womanizing affected your Yamani wife

@FB.
Please keep your ideas and your cockroach thinking up to you… I don’t need your special comments. It’s enough.

i was hoping not to interject on this thread, but it really is a torture reading it. i cannot describe it, but the overall tone and content is so petty and trivial, it somehow manages to reach the depths of the lowest common denominator. the only breaks in the deadly monotony, whether by evil design or harmless intent seem to come only from the acidic pen and devilish wit of FB

@Zulfiqar,
Nobody is forcing you or trying to inject you this thread. Please relax with the cup of coffee and watch movies, if you want to browse so there are many other site to entertain your-self. Please it’s a request don’t force and try to give your valuable suggestion.

[RiyadhMumin]

N.A now answer this directly to the person face to face he has challegened you. If you are real Male/Female and not hijda...
Dont frustrate and whine on this forum. have given you contact and most probably you know him.


<Badshah> virgomus13@gmail.com wrote :

Hey,

I dont pay attention to munafiq's frustrations....If they have real balls i challenge them to confront me in person... else tell them to kiss my ass...

Thanks & Regards
Mustafa Ahmed Badshah

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 6:24 PM, Riyadhmumin Bohra <riyadhmumin@yahoo.com> wrote:
Dear Badsha,
Please check someone is back biting you in the Progressive forum.
http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... f=8&t=5429
Please defend yourself against the allegation. I didn't like that some is back biting without the persons knowledge and hence thought to inform you.
Salam

[Al Zulfiqar]

@Zulfiqar, Nobody is forcing you or trying to inject you this thread. Please relax with the cup of coffee and watch movies,

why dont u join me? i think u need it more badly than i do.. coffee and movie tickets will be on me, why dont u bring some hot, spicy samosas and kebabs?

[Aarif]

Hey,

I dont pay attention to munafiq's frustrations....If they have real balls i challenge them to confront me in person... else tell them to kiss my ass...

Thanks & Regards
Mustafa Ahmed Badshah

This dude seems to be a shining example of typical kothar backed abde chamchaas. Maybe this is how our respected senior jamaat members are. Quite religiously following the foot steps of his ruhani bawa and his family.

[never_assume]

N.A now answer this directly to the person face to face he has challegened you. If you are real Male/Female and not hijda...
Dont frustrate and whine on this forum. have given you contact and most probably you know him.

What answer you require face to face. This post shows that how corrupt (you) M.Badsahah/J.Tambawala and there wife’s Durriyah x2 ? and frankly there is nothing call frustration… you see, people writing there post in this forum is not frustration… ITS FACT WHAT WE/THEY WRITE… we all are asking for our rights (Haq) from a Munafiqeen like you, Jammat and Jannab… our Riyadh Janaab too is a money mind/maker, that is why he is supporting M.Badshah and even in BWA the ladies too are having same kind of thinking (weird)…

Hey,

I dont pay attention to munafiq's frustrations....If they have real balls i challenge them to confront me in person... else tell them to kiss my ass...

You are so frustrated that your frustration shows in this post, all kind of nice words you are using in this forum. Its always said “TRUTH COMES OUT VERY QUICKLY” and in your few post you are a friend of M.Badshah and you send your mails also to him… and you get angry on behalf of him, GREAT R.M… you gave your e-mail Id and all kinds of variety items like, Hijda…real balls… kiss my ass… etc, etc. and yeah if you are talking about real balls, please simply show some guts and your male power (what I call ‘Mardangi’)… give the rights (Haq) to the concern ladies in BWA, then we will see what to do. Now I feel you are worse then Hijda…

First of all you don’t know how to talk, because your reality reviled in your post very clearly, that what I’m doing and asking for the real rights (Haq) of concern ladies in BWA’ is true and you both Munafiqeen families, you/M.Badshah and J.Tambawala are trying to hide behind Jamaat and Janaab, if you want to see real Hijda and chakka is… Juzer Tambawala. Coolly sitting, anyone can tell his wife anything, he doesn’t care, because he knows well, that his wife and you/M.Badshah’s wife is completely wrong and they are eating someone else rights (Haq). But you stupid creature is fighting like an donkey you know, both of you are wrong, so just pull your wife’s back or else this issue will reach up to were you don’t know… I swear and I mean it…

This dude seems to be a shining example of typical kothar backed abde chamchaas. Maybe this is how our respected senior jamaat members are. Quite religiously following the foot steps of his ruhani bawa and his family.

@Aarif
Very well said as usual and nice timing shot, I agreed with Aarif that this is what we call Jammat who is hiring people like M.Badshah and Janaab, they like this kind of stuff and then sitting in Bayan Janaab will narrate our Aka Maula’s footstep, but who know this Satan has another face in private. A real Munafiqeen...

[RiyadhMumin]

NA,
Your writing shows the kind of level of mentality you are having. Thanks for advertising your character with your posts. You have issues with membership of two ladies becoz you have personal grudge with thier husband. Please can you tell me which lady's haq is taken away?. What are the rights you are asking for?. Just tell me what exactly you want from Riyadh Janab & Jamaat. I promise you to convey your concerns to Janab & Jamaat. Also tell me who you are so that your rights can be restored. You need not put it in this public forum. You can mail me i have already given you my email Id.

[RiyadhMumin]

Aarif

Does Aqa Maula HIMSELF practice what he preaches??? E.g. in all his bayaans (which he delivers sitting on royal Taqht) he talks about the simplicity and compassion of ahle-bait and encourages all bohras to do the same. But after the bayaan is over he collects fat salaams from his followers, eats a lavish meal, rides in his Mercedes Benz and goes back to his royal palace. This is not how Maulana Ali and his family lived their life.

Aarif not only the Aka Maula... its really far far you are talking, just take a very small example of the smallest person is the Jannab who sits on the Gaddi, who is not a royal blood or any khotar related person, just from middle class or lower middle class family, but once he sits on the Gaddi then you see his ego and pride and the requirement for his room and his travel facilities and many more. So were we are talking about the Bayaans of Aka Maula… if the Bayaans of this smallest Jannab is like a nuclear bomb and the requirements is like a food and facilities along with salaam provided by NASA.

Re: PLEASE HELP OUR RIYADH MUMINEEN...
by never_assume on Tue Oct 19, 2010 8:31 pm

by bohra manus
I disagree:
The fat salaam is negotiated first weather for any activity that involves presence of Aqa Moula. I have been witness to several of these negotiations. I have even seen negotiations with one person on awarding of sheikh title to him during the visit of Aqa Moula. For ordinary bohras they are instructed to present "fakhir" amount to Aqua Moula during the visit. What do you call this?



MONEY MAKING MACHINE…

So you have Problems with our Dai(tus) also..... I think you have now converted yourself to true PDB. You have broken your Misaq. Y do you want to be member of BWA (which is formed by the raza mubaral of Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (tus). Y you want to become a khidmat guzar abd when you have converted to true blood PDB. DO YOU KNOW PDB MOVEMENT IS AGAINST OUR BELOVED MOULA(TUS). JUST LOOK INSIDE YOUR CONSCIENCE AND DECIDE WHETHER YOU HAVE TRUE LOVE FOR MOULA (TUS) OR YOUR BETTER OF SUPPORTING THIS PDB

[Humsafar]

DO YOU KNOW PDB MOVEMENT IS AGAINST OUR BELOVED MOULA(TUS)

No, the reform movement is not against our beloved Maula, it is against the corruption, greed and misuse of religion which is taking place under his watch. The movement is against the excess and extravagance of the zadaas and against the humiliation of mumineens as being discussed in this thread.

[RiyadhMumin]

DO YOU KNOW PDB MOVEMENT IS AGAINST OUR BELOVED MOULA(TUS)

No, the reform movement is not against our beloved Maula, it is against the corruption, greed and misuse of religion which is taking place under his watch. The movement is against the excess and extravagance of the zadaas and against the humiliation of mumineens as being discussed in this thread.

Humsafar,
"Beloved Moula" you are saying? Memne (lamb) ki Khaal me geedad (cunning fox)?.
Your movment is against Imam (SAW) people from your moment think it to be figment of imagination?
You movement is against matam?
Your movement criticise Iddat (check the thread on Mr Saif demise)
Your movments is against Salawat Jaman
Your movement is against Ahsura majlis.
Your movment is against Sayedna Hatim (RA) Daris.
Your movment was against 51st Dai & is against 52nd Dai.
Its your movments complusion (majboori) to not to change its so called official line of recognizing Moula (tus) as true and rightful successor to Dawat lest you lose to call yourself Dawoodi-Bohra!!!!

[Al Zulfiqar]

riyadh abde,

so your true definition of being a bohra and lover of aqa maula is to turn a blind eye to all the unislamic practices like singing and doing sajda tujhe wajib hai for dai, attributing fasle miracles to him, admiring his murder of innocent wild animals for pleasure against the injunctions of the quran, following him around and showering money on him without his and his family's accountability for all their wealth, calling us and treating us like slaves, swallowing all community properties and its incomes, controlling each jamaat through their hired goons called amils and appointed committees stuffed with corrupt individuals, selling false and bogus titles like sheikh and mulla etc.????

basically, anyone who rolls over like a pet dog and licks his masters hand and barks at whoever the master commands, is a true bohra? anyone who takes qarz to pay his wajebaat, who is willing to get kicked on his behind inspite of paying all that is demanded of him, no matter how exploitative and unislamic is a true bohra??

is such a bohra fit to be called a muslim, leave alone a human being?

[Humsafar]

Your movment is against Imam (SAW) people from your moment think it to be figment of imagination?

Not true. Some people might think that but the officially the movement has never questioned the basic tenets of our faith.

You movement is against matam?

Not the movement, but many reformists do question the misuse of this custom.

Your movement criticise Iddat (check the thread on Mr Saif demise)

Not the movement, but most reasonable Bohras, reformist or orhodox, criticise the inhuman and extreme aspects of this custom.

Your movments is against Salawat Jaman

Not the movement, but people do criticise the lavishness and waste involved in these jamans.

Your movement is against Ahsura majlis.

Not the movement, but people criticise it for the tamasha and mockery it makes of the solemn occasion.

Your movment is against Sayedna Hatim (RA) Daris.

Not the movement, but people criticise is not because it is Sayedna Hatim's daris but because for its wastefullness and frequency.

Your movment was against 51st Dai & is against 52nd Dai.

Not true. The movement was and is against their actions and policies that have turned the community into an unislamic cult.

Its your movments complusion (majboori) to not to change its so called official line of recognizing Moula (tus) as true and rightful successor to Dawat lest you lose to call yourself Dawoodi-Bohra!!!!

No, it's not our movement's majboori. The movement genuinely believe in our Ismaili/Fatimid doctrine. It is critical of the financial, moral and religious corruption of the administration - and it is the majboori of your masters to never to acknowledge these grievances lest they lose their power and control and the free ride.

[bohra_manus]

Aarif Aarif not only the Aka Maula... its really far far you are talking, just take a very small example of the smallest person is the Jannab who sits on the Gaddi, who is not a royal blood or any khotar related person, just from middle class or lower middle class family, but once he sits on the Gaddi then you see his ego and pride and the requirement for his room and his travel facilities and many more. So were we are talking about the Bayaans of Aka Maula… if the Bayaans of this smallest Jannab is like a nuclear bomb and the requirements is like a food and facilities along with salaam provided by NASA.

So you have Problems with our Dai(tus) also..... I think you have now converted yourself to true PDB. You have broken your Misaq. Y do you want to be member of BWA (which is formed by the raza mubaral of Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (tus). Y you want to become a khidmat guzar abd when you have converted to true blood PDB. DO YOU KNOW PDB MOVEMENT IS AGAINST OUR BELOVED MOULA(TUS). JUST LOOK INSIDE YOUR CONSCIENCE AND DECIDE WHETHER YOU HAVE TRUE LOVE FOR MOULA (TUS) OR YOUR BETTER OF SUPPORTING THIS PDB

Dear MR Riyadh Mumin,
Tell me if Sayedna or Shehzada Sahebs Salaams are not negotiated before the ziyafat/Qadam bosi to the house takes place? Be honest.
If I pointed it out, how am I against Dai?
FYI: I am not PDB
Salaams

[ANA BOHRI]

Aarif Aarif not only the Aka Maula... its really far far you are talking, just take a very small example of the smallest person is the Jannab who sits on the Gaddi, who is not a royal blood or any khotar related person, just from middle class or lower middle class family, but once he sits on the Gaddi then you see his ego and pride and the requirement for his room and his travel facilities and many more. So were we are talking about the Bayaans of Aka Maula… if the Bayaans of this smallest Jannab is like a nuclear bomb and the requirements is like a food and facilities along with salaam provided by NASA.

So you have Problems with our Dai(tus) also..... I think you have now converted yourself to true PDB. You have broken your Misaq. Y do you want to be member of BWA (which is formed by the raza mubaral of Sayedna Mohammed Burhanuddin (tus). Y you want to become a khidmat guzar abd when you have converted to true blood PDB. DO YOU KNOW PDB MOVEMENT IS AGAINST OUR BELOVED MOULA(TUS). JUST LOOK INSIDE YOUR CONSCIENCE AND DECIDE WHETHER YOU HAVE TRUE LOVE FOR MOULA (TUS) OR YOUR BETTER OF SUPPORTING THIS PDB

BOTTOM LINE IS "DO NOT SPEAK ABOUT THE TRUTH OR ELSE YOUR MISAQ WILL BE BROKEN" .

Well,until Abdes like Riyadh mumin are in our community I don't think there is any hope of improvement in our community.Our community has been hijacked by Goondas.It is so funny to see all the bheds in the market with tight jean and shirt with long beard and topi.It is beyond my imagination to understand that how a religious person who keeps long beard can afford to wear a Western dress and go to theater and watch movie.

[never_assume]

TOP FIVE M.BADSHAH’S MAIL

1.Are you from hamdani or heraji family? i dont think so? Hmmm, trying to hide ur realself. Have guts tell your grudges to Jamaat or personally confide to Aamil. I am also from Riyadh.....

2.Dear Never_assume, I know Badshah , but it is his personal problem like not keeping beard, chatting during bayan etc. What is your actual problem, personal grudge against the said people, or you/your wife not able to get any position in Jamaat affairs? Are you one of the shaikh who is sidelined? I dont know your intention of publishing your woes in Progressive forum who hate our Dai. DO YOU WANT TO BE ONE OF THEM? Beware that you dont become Munafik like the one of Umabharti whose moral support you are seeking.

3.My Dear Umabharti,Munafik means who dont belive yet make themselves look as believer. This is what you progressives are. You dont believe in current Dai, and yet make a official stand to recognise him as right ful Dai. WHAT A DOUBLE STANDARD hmmmm!!!!. You dont have balls & guts to make your belief (hate for dai & not recognizing him as rightful succesor) as your official stand lest you lose yourself to call Dawoodi Bohras. By the way the person name by NA is not a Jamaat member and no where close to Aamil!!

4.Dear NeverAssume,I dont want to know the history of badshah. Also not right to dicusss about anybody when he is not invovled and on his back. As for your information. I am just a common mumin of riyadh. Not any shiekh or mulla. Nor member of Jamaat. Your allegation may be true ot false i dont know. Wahtever you said may be his personal issues. As far as i know there are lot of mumins in Riyadh who dont have full beard and are part of jamaat. tolerated may be bcoz of circumstances here in Saudi Arabia. As far as your allegation regarding internet access at the persons home, it is simple he may have offered to allow to janab saheb to access at his home. i am sure if u were in his place janab would also have visited your home. I am pretty sure you love Aka moula (tus) as any other mumineen and Inshallah it would continue!! Allah and Moula save you from the dai hater munafikins. Also i request you to not to make any personal allegation on any person behind his back even you if you think you are right. If you truly love our Dai(tus) just keep away from people like Umabharti. If you have time just go through thier post in the forum and you will know what kind of respect they have towards dawaat and our practices.
Just remember where you will head once you are out of the fold of Dai's daman. The people you are seeking support will take you away from the love of the Dai & Dawat. I dont have any ill intention or feeling towards you but please dont make cheap allegation in this forum on any person who is not here to defend it.

5.N.A now answer this directly to the person face to face he has challegened you. If you are real Male/Female and not hijda... Dont frustrate and whine on this forum. Have given you contact and most probably you know him.
Hey…I dont pay attention to munafiq's frustrations....If they have real balls i challenge them to confront me in person... else tell them to kiss my ass... Please defend yourself against the allegation. I didn't like that some is back biting without the person’s knowledge and hence thought to inform you.

Omabharti… Al-Zulfiqar… Aarif… Humsafar… Bohra manus... Ana bohri... and rest of the forum member’s…

These above were the tops five mails what R.M Urf M.BADSHAH wrote in this forum… first post he wants to know who am I? And want me to tell the personal grudges to Amil… so my Answer is… if Jannab and Jammat is so much capable in Riyadh Markaz, so where is the problem? In his second post he is against our intention of publishing our woes in Progressive forum who hate our Dai and advising not to become Munafiq. (Great)… Then in third post new dialog… DOUBLE STANDARD hmmm! You don’t have balls & guts to make your belief (hate for Dai) and lose our-self to call Dawoodi Bohras. (Amazing)… In his forth post he is nor sheikh or mulla, but he is afraid that we might be out from the fold of Dai's Daman, and he think it a cheap allegation in this forum on any person who is not here to defend it, (WoW)… and in his fifth post he loses his control/temper and use words like Hijda… Real Balls… Kiss my ass… Back Biting… etc, etc. and finally R.M. Urf M.BADSHAH is now against this forum and there activities, which he feels PDB moment. What a fanatic person without heads and tail.

R.M Urf M.BADSHAH I want to ask you one of this incident happen on the night of Syedna Taher Saifuddin Maula’s milad majlis, I was sitting near ladies and I saw when Sarbaat bowl came into ladies, why only those ladies got Sarbaat whose Husband got Sharaaf from Aka Maula of Hadiyat and Mafsusiyat, and when your own wife Durriyah was about to drink the sip of Sarbaat… Mariyaben Sheikh Hatimbhai, who is treasurer in BWA shouted to your wife and said “it is not for all common ladies, please don’t drink and give it back” and she pull the glass of Sharbaat from your wife’s hand and trust me I was sitting there and watching all this scene… believe me your wife face to see… she literally got dry mouth and a yellow face… if you are not aware of this incident or your wife didn’t inform, you so please check it and I believe… if you love Aka Maula truly at least be a man and tell the truth. NOW:

• If you say “Love of Aka Maula”… so why a Muminaat ben cannot drink Sarbaat.
• Mariyaben is a responsible member of BWA, so why she did like this. Even she is a wife of Sheikh.
• Your wife is BWA member… why cannot she don’t have guts to speak back for her right (Haq)?
• You are talking about fold of Dai’s Daman… so where are you standing now? With this insult…
• M.BADSHAH do you got guts to fight for your own wife and can show real balls or you are without one?(Hijda)
• Pulling-out something from mumineens mouth means worse then a... (I don’t want to name that qatil.)
• In Syedna Taher Saifuddin Maula Milad Majlis why sarbaat didn’t given to all the ladies, only for those who got Hadiyaat and Mafsusiyat.
• Is this order from Janaab or mumineens are counted in third category.
• When they need money from us, we all are counted as one. So why not in Sarbaat.

Like these there are many more and more questions is to be raised and I know M.BADSHAH is not capable to answer all, because his shit will come out in his pants. M.BADSHAH I’m fighting for the rights (Haq) of others ladies without any personal grudges, as I got guts to stand in front of Janaab and Jamaat, not a hypocrite person like you, I believe you are good to stand in kitchen rather then having guts to fight for the RIGHTS (HAQ), at least for your wife, this is only done by real Mumeen and I can see the real one in this forum, I respect all of them who has contributed there views in this issue in all the manners.

NOTE # AFTER THIS INCIDENT IF YOU AND YOUR WIFE GOT LITTLE SHAME SO PULL HER BACK FROM BWA ACTIVITIES. WE CAN WATCH YOU... BUT YOU CAN'T... BECAUSE YOU ARE THE REAL MUNAFIQEEN’S…