Forum hijacked by OUTSIDERS

[Baskin]

Guys (Shabab and Youth),

Don't you think that this forum "Bohras and Reform" is hijacked by outsiders?

I personally believe there are members who portray themselves as bohra but in reality they are Sunnis, Wahabis and Non-Muslims. These are the people who objects every bit of what being a bohra is. They are least interested in the differences between Shabab and Youth. In some posts I have seen them even objecting to Imam Hussain's Matam.

There is this guy 'incredible', whom you cannot say whether he is Shabab or Youth. Because in one post he is Shabab and the other post he is Youth.

Then we have 'gulam mohammed' and 'Al Zulfiqar' (the PETA activist), I don't think these guys are even Bohra.

And many more of such members....

Well this is my personal view. What do you think? Should Admin do something about it?

[asif786]

Guys (Shabab and Youth),

Don't you think that this forum "Bohras and Reform" is hijacked by outsiders?

I personally believe there are members who portray themselves as bohra but in reality they are Sunnis, Wahabis and Non-Muslims. These are the people who objects every bit of what being a bohra is. They are least interested in the differences between Shabab and Youth. In some posts I have seen them even objecting to Imam Hussain's Matam.

There is this guy 'incredible', whom you cannot say whether he is Shabab or Youth. Because in one post he is Shabab and the other post he is Youth.

Then we have 'gulam mohammed' and 'Al Zulfiqar' (the PETA activist), I don't think these guys are even Bohra.

And many more of such members....

Well this is my personal view. What do you think? Should Admin do something about it?

Baskin

I agree with you , reading post of many members seems that they are not shabab or youth bohra as they question the matam of imam husain which is very important ibadat in shabab and youth . Admin must have some control on postings by non bohras as it is in sunniforum.com and shiachat.com.

[Humsafar]

It all depends on who is participating here. If more people like you come and talk about Youth-Shabab issues you can end this "hijack". AZ a PETA activist, that's a new angle!!!

[Fatwa Banker]

People Eating Tasty Animals perhaps ?...

[Kaka Akela]

Baskin et al:

I agree with you all about every discussion is degraded into personal attacks, insults and show-offism as to who is smarter and more knowledgeable etc. etc. I personally am very irritated and angry with anajmi who jumps into every thread with his sunni salafi angle and berates our religion and Dai. I think the Admin should ban him from any involvement here. he reminds me of a quote, "Trying to get people to reason in a way that is not natural for them is like trying to teach a pig to sing. You don't accomplish anything and you annoy the pig." - E. Jeffrey Conklin and William Weil
I feel you can not reason with anajmi at any time on any subject. His sole aim is to irritate everyone and keeps healthy discussers away from the board.

[aziz]

why did you forget the biggest culprit insaap who calls the three usurpers(la) hazrats,is somebody like him fit to be even a reformist,why dont the the other so called reformists disown him unless they have similar loyalties to the usurpers.,,,, and do not quote sunni or wahhabi propaganda about this shaitans being the companions and so on

[anajmi]

kaka,

The best way to shut me up is to provide answers to questions I have asked instead of always whining about the sunni salafi angle. Obviously you won't be doing anything of that sort. So the next best thing to do is to whine some more and run to the admin.

berates our religion and Dai.

I am not berating your religion so much as the alternate interpretation of your religion by some scholars on this board.

[Al Zulfiqar]

baskin,

please define an 'outsider'.. most of the members who post here are bohras and most of them are 'insiders', i.e. who are not open reformists. yes, there are some ex-bohras like anajmi and muslim first, there are also some ismaili khojas, and some atheists too. but they all contribute to the overall discussion, sometimes they enrich it, often times they disrupt it or pour scorn on other sects's practices. that is all part of a free debate on a free forum. what would you have? that the forum ask all members to fill up forms and reveal their ideological leanings? put them into some neat little slots, eg. fanatic abde, liberal insider, open reformist, sunni, wahabi, ismaili khoja, agnostic, atheist etc??? and have it mentioned under your id?

and how would you like yrself described? blind slave or uneducated petty trader, or maybe a scornful, hatred-filled bohra tanzeem/mawaid/scout...? from where u stand all those who do not agree to your strict orthodoxy is an outsider. from a reformist viewpoint, any blind abdesyedna who does sajda to dai, sings sajda tujhe wajib hai and ghanu jeevo and swallows without question all the so-called crap miracles of the dai, who does maatam 10 times a day and sheds crocodile tears before attacking 2 kharas, 2 mithaas labrez jaman, is a hypocrite outsider and a pseudo muslim. capeche?

btw, thanks for labelling me as a PETA activist. that was a first, but i accept that great compliment with pride. in fact, your moniker gives me ideas. i must write to menaka gandhi about the atrocities committed by syedna in africa on wild endangered animal species and the wholesale slaughter he commits after bribing corrupt govt officials there. maybe she can
hound him out of india, or at the very least, have him declared as a serial offender and have him punished in a court of law.
maybe i should also inform brigitte bardot, pamela anderson, paul McCartney, and many other prominent personalities who support PETA so that they can prevent syedna's next visit to any western countries.

as for your concerns about maatam... one of your fellow abdes had commented here once, that one's whole life should be devoted to maatam. in that case, what are you doing wasting yr time here? go and do maatam, at home, in markaz, in yr bedroom and toilet too.

maatam in the memory of the martyrdom of imam hussain and his family is an act of solemn mourning. act upon it with respect and restraint. grief in excess is considered an act of kufr and shirk. i hope you know atleast that much from your study of islam and the life and teachings of the prophet. the way bohras are conducting themselves in this highly exaggerated show of grief is making a mockery of the sacrifices of hussain and his life of austerity, integrity and bravery. by dancing in circles and beating yrselves silly, pouncing on food minutes later, indulging in acts of kufr, saying laanats on others, buying false titles for pomp and self-glorification while being ignorant of our deen and of islam, carrying hatred in yr heart for 99.9999% of mankind and believing in being the chosen of all creation destined for jannat, are these qualities which would endear you to hussain in whose name you attempt to deceive and seek salvation??

ponder on these things, before enlisting the help of admin to grind yr personal axe. either u think admin is a fool to fall for yr petty politics or is yr abde like u are of syedna.

[Al Zulfiqar]

btw, what is this silly categorisation of youth/shabab???

the majority of veteran correspondents here are all in their 40's and 50's. some maybe even older. are they all now youth/shabab? maybe baskin has some secret elixir from the fountain of youth for all of us? in that case baskin, please pour us all a cuppa every morning. thanks in advance!!

[guy_sam2005]

Baskin,
Wat u say is very true,my posts have become very less cuz there is no healthy discussion under any topic,i thought(maybe it was my misconception)that this forums were for constructive debate and solutions,but all the topics end up wit either sunni/shia debate or whether syedna is a good person or not debate.
till now everyone must have wat the solution is .but then the question is is solution what we are lookin for.....
Az gave a good idea that cateogoy should be mentioned along wit the name,the cateogories id suggest would be just 4
1.abde syedna
2.anti syedna
3.neither
4.conditonal bohra

[incredible]

I might be a conditional bohri i dont agree with every thing in present way of kothar working.serious amendment is required to end this dictatorship.people need to stand up on there bone to raise voice againt unjustice against many momeenin.

[Humsafar]

btw, what is this silly categorisation of youth/shabab???

the majority of veteran correspondents here are all in their 40's and 50's. some maybe even older. are they all now youth/shabab? maybe baskin has some secret elixir from the fountain of youth for all of us? in that case baskin, please pour us all a cuppa every morning. thanks in advance!!

AZ, this youth/shabab thing confuses everybody who are not from udaipur. The "youth" refers to reformists and "shabab" to the orthodox. Actually these were the two parties under whose banner the whole Udaipur episode started in 71/72. People still refer to each other as youth/shabab as the words reformist and orthodox have not yet entered their everyday vocabulary. I'm not sure about the Shabab, but for reformists the "Bohra Youth Association" is still the main reformist organisation.

[never_assume]

Baskin
There is this guy 'incredible', whom you cannot say whether he is Shabab or Youth. Because in one post he is Shabab and the other post he is Youth.
Then we have 'gulam mohammed' and 'Al Zulfiqar' (the PETA activist), I don't think these guys are even Bohra.

asif786
I agree with you , reading post of many members seems that they are not shabab or youth bohra as they question the matam of imam husain which is very important ibadat in shabab and youth . Admin must have some control on postings by non bohras as it is in sunniforum.com and shiachat.com.

Humsafar
It all depends on who is participating here. If more people like you come and talk about Youth-Shabab issues you can end this "hijack". AZ a PETA activist, that's a new angle!!!

Kaka Akela
I agree with you all about every discussion.......

guy_sam2005
Wat u say is very true,my posts have become very less cuz there is no healthy discussion under any topic,i thought(maybe it was my misconception)that this forums were for constructive debate and solutions,but all the topics end up wit either sunni/shia debate or whether syedna is a good person or not debate.
till now everyone must have wat the solution is .but then the question is is solution what we are lookin for.....
Az gave a good idea that cateogoy should be mentioned along wit the name,the cateogories id suggest would be just 4
1.abde syedna
2.anti syedna
3.neither
4.conditonal bohra

Well... we agree to all the above and due to this reason we too have kept our self less contributing posting in this forum, because of unhealthy discussion and without reason unwanted arguments and degrading our IQ’s , we want to make the people educated little more or less what is happening in 'Dawoodi Bohra Community' through this forum, but people like AZ and many other they just think fun and try to play with others emotions.

http://dawoodi-bohras.com/forum/viewtop ... 970#p73970

Helping others means… “Helping someone is what life is all about”

[Al Zulfiqar]

never assume,

did you and your A-team manage to approach amil and sort out the issue of "SARBAATGATE"...?

did you and your huge team work up the guts to confront this badshah fellow and that mariya milk-shake and put them in their place?

if you havent, then you havent helped anybody.

[aftabm]

Guys (Shabab and Youth),

Don't you think that this forum "Bohras and Reform" is hijacked by outsiders?

I personally believe there are members who portray themselves as bohra but in reality they are Sunnis, Wahabis and Non-Muslims. These are the people who objects every bit of what being a bohra is. They are least interested in the differences between Shabab and Youth. In some posts I have seen them even objecting to Imam Hussain's Matam.

There is this guy 'incredible', whom you cannot say whether he is Shabab or Youth. Because in one post he is Shabab and the other post he is Youth.

Then we have 'gulam mohammed' and 'Al Zulfiqar' (the PETA activist), I don't think these guys are even Bohra.

And many more of such members....

Well this is my personal view. What do you think? Should Admin do something about it?

Dear Baskin,

Let us assume for a moment that these guys are not bohras, then what....
Why cant we have non-bohras in the debate, why are we afraid of any body taking participation in the debate(which i agree, tends to become murky, unhealthy and some times, boggled down to personal attacks and name calling).

But should that affect the participation.... i dont beleive so... it is we, the Bohras(conditionals/abdes/antisyedana/reformist-minded/what-nots......) who abandon it by taking this as a refuge. I think it is natural that if there are debates, there would be these kind of elements, you may choose to answer them or ignore them...

And yes, there is no demarcation of youth or shabab, progressive/mainstreams,
All are welcome here.... i believe that is what is the foundation of this forum...

" We do not discriminate on the basis of type of topi, rida or beard (or lack of it) you have...."

Let these debates continue and flourish, if not anything, we'll learn good english....

[SBM]

I agree with AftabM
Through this forum, I was able to get help from Hussain KSA who had been kind enough to help me . Through this forum I was able to communicate with Aqs and learn a lot in private conversation.
Anjami and MF as well Porus and Humsafar have provided varying point of views.Az and others have provided a lighter side while conveying a message
The only thing if all of us can refrain from personal attacks, name calling and turning every issue in Shia/Sunni, we can really get into a healthy and civilized debate
I think forum should welcome everyone that is what makes it unique