Ziafats -- Anywhere and Everywhere.

[ghulam muhammed]

Nowadays it has become an order of the day for the abdes to host ziafats at the drop of a hat just like their regular chest beating sessions. Ziafats have become a matter of privelage for the abdes whether it be of the dai or the innumerable zaadas and zaadis. It reached its heights recently when certain abdes hosted ziafat of the zaada Abbasbhai (who is amirul Haj) at Makkah during Haj pilgrimage. These zaadas never miss an opportunity to squeeze the bohras irrespective of the time and place, the abdes were more alert and watchful during the ziafat then whilst performing the Haj rituals.

It seems that abdes are out to create records of sort.... first the ziafat during Haj and probably we may hear of another dai's ziafat on an aircraft or even a submarine. The Guinness Book will have another record in their collection.

[Regal]

what happens during ziafat ? can someone elaborate please? as in Syedna comes to the hosts house then what? darees? khana?

[SBM]

you should hold one and then you can give us a true eye account

[Regal]

agar kismat mein huwa to esa din bhi dekheinge


but i must know beforehand what to do/what is expected etc....i dont think mere door door ke rishtadaron ne kabhi ziafat di hai.

[Maqbool]

In the name of inauguration of masjid Sayedna is in Kolkata. After collecting a hefty sum of about between 1 to 3 crore from jamat as salam towards the inauguration fee, now the jiafat is in the full form. Daily 2 to 3 jiafat is given @ 52 lacks each and if shaikh title is honored another 52 lacs is collected. 40 jiafat is booked.

Jiafat means to invited to the house for dawat but now the only process of collecting money is left, because Sayedna is not coming to you house but you go to his house and do salam.

I wonder how they must be managing the hefty sums of Rs. 1 to 1.5 crores of black money on daily basis? The organized reformist group can take this matter to income tax authority by direct complaining or thru media. Now a days the money parked in foreign banks are talk of the town and I am sure this will be a great services to the bohra and the whole nation.

In Kolkata Sayedna in spite of poor health he attends kadambosi majlis and jiafat. For poor bohra he appears for five minutes to give didar. He is not leading any prayer siting his health.

[Kaka Akela]

Bro Regal : What happens in a ziafat? You work your butt off all day and night in decoration and cooking, and making salaam envelopes not only for the zaada and zaadis but also for their whole entourage. The amount of salaam is dictated to you and the salaam for entourage is also fixed by themselves. There is no darees or majlis in ziafats, but sharbat and vadhavanu and then parting of your money takes place, while this being done some of their entourage stand facing the zaadas and start reciting the madeh and this goes on untill all the salaams are done, then zaadas move to a private room where women folks do the salaam with another set of envelopes.
But what has happened now is, up is down, war is peace and day is night. Instead of saying that you honored the zaada with a ziafat, they say that the zaada gave you the honor and sharaf of doing his ziafat, isn't that a kick in the butt.
I have been made a fool like this a few times but I have learned my lesson and I am happier without getting their honor and sharaf. But for them there is lot more fish in the ocean, infact an unlimited supply of suckers, ek doondho hazaar miltay hain.
BTW: Ziafat have already been done on aircrafts and ships and boats and in countries where the sun never sets or never rises.

[bohri]

Ziafats = "The - afats".. momeen per afaat gani...

[Humsafar]

Another one: Ziafat is short for ziyada afat (more trouble). Or zaada afat (shahzada trouble). No matter how you cut it, it's afat only!!

Kaka Akela, Thank you for your comments. Just wondering why it took you "a few times" before learning the lesson??? Anyway, good for you.

[Regal]

thanks brother kaka akela and maqbool. ziafats of 52 lakhs !! the abdes cant truly be that dumb?

or is it like a show off? the wife says to husband: when are we giving ziafats we have only given it 3 times whereas our neighbour has given it 5 times


lol jokes aside, i want to ask profastian if this is extravagance or luxury?

[ghulam muhammed]

ziafats of 52 lakhs !! the abdes cant truly be that dumb?

Bro Regal,

You are mistaken, the abdes are not only this dumb, they are more dumb then you expect...... the ziafat charges are not 52 lakhs as this was the rate many years ago........ the current going rate is a MINIMUM OF Rs.1.52 crores and it increases depending on the bakras, like "grahak dekh kar pudi baandna". If the going rate for 'sheikh title' is 52 lakhs, how can the ziafat damages be on par with this miniscule title, this was never the case in this dai's era.

[Humsafar]

or is it like a show off? the wife says to husband: when are we giving ziafats we have only given it 3 times whereas our neighbour has given it 5 times

Yup, it seems to be that way. A status symbol, a competition among abdes on how often and how badly they can be screwed. It's called keeping up with the arse-iwalas!!!!

[Regal]

wow 1.52 crores.

@ abdes..what does the host get out of it? are his house and life all full of barakat now? overflowing with abundance cuz the feet mubarak of some shahzaada has touched it?

[ozmujaheed]

what are the current rates in US$ for ziafat ?

How about if one wants zadas is there a discount

[Regal]

bhai economy ki surat e haal dekh kar raham khao discount kis baat ka

[bohra_manus]

Ziafat == spoken with either French of German accents sounds like "The (Zee) Afat"

[leila]

if people are willing to pay 52 crore or 52000 crore its all there personal wish no one can stop them.no body forces to call shezadaz or syedna sahab to invite them on zyafats.progressives w\shud stop whinning about it...and move on...and shud concentrate to work on there own sect.try to irredicate pooverty and illitracy from progs rather then wasting time on pin pointing mistakes done in DB's fold.

[Maqbool]

if people are willing to pay 52 crore or 52000 crore its all there personal wish no one can stop them.no body forces to call shezadaz or syedna sahab to invite them on zyafats.progressives w\shud stop whinning about it...and move on...and shud concentrate to work on there own sect.try to irredicate pooverty and illitracy from progs rather then wasting time on pin pointing mistakes done in DB's fold.

It does concern if it is a black money and Sayedna as a religious leader should not encourage to generate this type of money.

Now a days every opposition in India is pulling legs of government for black money parked in foreign banks. If they concentrated on this type of god men, they will unearth the ocean of black money.

[leila]

if people are willing to pay 52 crore or 52000 crore its all there personal wish no one can stop them.no body forces to call shezadaz or syedna sahab to invite them on zyafats.progressives w\shud stop whinning about it...and move on...and shud concentrate to work on there own sect.try to irredicate pooverty and illitracy from progs rather then wasting time on pin pointing mistakes done in DB's fold.

It does concern if it is a black money and Sayedna as a religious leader should not encourage to generate this type of money.

Now a days every opposition in India is pulling legs of government for black money parked in foreign banks. If they concentrated on this type of god men, they will unearth the ocean of black money.

then what is stopping you go ahead and call CBI or income tax department raid saifee mahal and other places.

[Regal]

we are not whining lol i am having pity. a fool and his money are soon parted.

so tell me from an abde point of view why are people dieing to give ziafat again n again whats the reason you do it?

[londonwala]

if people are willing to pay 52 crore or 52000 crore its all there personal wish no one can stop them.no body forces to call shezadaz or syedna sahab to invite them on zyafats.progressives w\shud stop whinning about it...and move on...and shud concentrate to work on there own sect.try to irredicate pooverty and illitracy from progs rather then wasting time on pin pointing mistakes done in DB's fold.

Unfortunately, many zyafats involve people paying money against there will. When syedna or shezadas go to a city there is much pressure on the sheikhs and on all the jamaat organisations, eg burhani guards, shabab, burhani womens, toloba, talebat, bunayat, tayseerun nikah, etc, to hold a very expensive zyafat. I know that most of the participants in this forum do not belong to these categories so it is easy for you to say that it is our choice to be members of such groups. However, when you are brought up in an orthodox bohra family, or you are the child of a sheikh, you are forced to join in your father's zyafat and you are also forced to join such groups. You then have to pay large amounts of money to take part in the zyafats. Zyafat fees can be one thousand pounds for each member of the group. And you have to pay extra for things like holding syedna's chair or offering him salt on the thal. Sometimes they make up new groups purely for the purpose of giving a zyafat, eg zyafats by all the doctors, or zyafats by all the mullas. In London there was a toloba zyafat last year when syedna came. There were many youngsters as young as 14 years old who had been forced by their parents to join. It is sad to see. They are being brainwashed into a lifetime of forced payments. One other thing. Children even have to give their own wajibaat now. This includes very young children, as young as 5. They are forced to go to amil and do wajibaat araz with their parents. Of course this will start as a small sum, perhaps 5 pounds, but it is increased year after year so that by the time they leave school they are paying hundreds of pounds each. They are told that this is for barakat.

[bohra_manus]

if people are willing to pay 52 crore or 52000 crore its all there personal wish no one can stop them.no body forces to call shezadaz or syedna sahab to invite them on zyafats.progressives w\shud stop whinning about it...and move on...and shud concentrate to work on there own sect.try to irredicate pooverty and illitracy from progs rather then wasting time on pin pointing mistakes done in DB's fold.

Unfortunately, many zyafats involve people paying money against there will. When syedna or shezadas go to a city there is much pressure on the sheikhs and on all the jamaat organisations, eg burhani guards, shabab, burhani womens, toloba, talebat, bunayat, tayseerun nikah, etc, to hold a very expensive zyafat. I know that most of the participants in this forum do not belong to these categories so it is easy for you to say that it is our choice to be members of such groups. However, when you are brought up in an orthodox bohra family, or you are the child of a sheikh, you are forced to join in your father's zyafat and you are also forced to join such groups. You then have to pay large amounts of money to take part in the zyafats. Zyafat fees can be one thousand pounds for each member of the group. And you have to pay extra for things like holding syedna's chair or offering him salt on the thal. Sometimes they make up new groups purely for the purpose of giving a zyafat, eg zyafats by all the doctors, or zyafats by all the mullas. In London there was a toloba zyafat last year when syedna came. There were many youngsters as young as 14 years old who had been forced by their parents to join. It is sad to see. They are being brainwashed into a lifetime of forced payments. One other thing. Children even have to give their own wajibaat now. This includes very young children, as young as 5. They are forced to go to amil and do wajibaat araz with their parents. Of course this will start as a small sum, perhaps 5 pounds, but it is increased year after year so that by the time they leave school they are paying hundreds of pounds each. They are told that this is for barakat.

Londonwala,
I agree completely, I have experienced this first hand when Shz. Ammar bhaisaheb visited our location. Firstly we were forced to have barakat of his pagla in your home, once agreed, next question was how much salam. Since he was maximizing giving barakat to all mumins after his welcome majlis which ended 10PM. He went around visitng houses and didn't show up to our house till 1AM, when some one called to say he won't be visiting since it is so late, however, they asked me to still visit him where he was staying and do qadambosi (& salam). I was even asked by the shehzada him self if I could offer bigger salam. Allah is my witness, I am not making this up.

[Muslim First]

Br Bora Manus

Shame on you for accepting or being such humilating situation.

Have B***s and stand up.

Remember it tooks one person with no concern for his life to topple the dictator.

If this is the religion then you want to move on.

Good luck

[bohra_manus]

Br Bora Manus

Shame on you for accepting or being such humilating situation.

Have B***s and stand up.

Remember it tooks one person with no concern for his life to topple the dictator.

If this is the religion then you want to move on.

Good luck

Br MF,
Thank you for your advise.
I have moved on from that life.