PURJOSH DAREES

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SBM
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PURJOSH DAREES

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Unread post by SBM » Wed Feb 09, 2011 1:36 pm

I received the following from a friend. Now from Purjosh Maatam we are going to Purjosh Darees, This has become a joke
This is sanctioned by Vazarat so people from other side can not blame local aamil for his aggressive love
Salaam un Jameel

The month of Rabi has arrived and with its arrival mumeneen all around Aalam-e-Imaan get very busy in engaging in various amal for Ayyamut-Taabudaat. This year is a unique year in the history of Dawat-e-Hadiyah. We mumeneen are very fortunate and blessed to witness the Milaad Meavi of our beloved Maula TUS Syedna Mohammed Burhanuddin Saheb TUS. May Allah Ta'ala grant our Maula many 100 years in sehat till the day of Qayamat. Ameen.

In these days of Barakaat we memebers of Anjuman-*********** have also done a humble niyyat of 100 darees for tulul Umr of Maula TUS

Since time is short we have decided that chosen 5 members will go to everyone's home and recite darees. To the person's home where they will come for darees, that person does not have to do any jaman or call anyone. If they do want to call mumeneen on thier own it is their choice.
With the darees farmaan from Alvazarat-us-Saifiyah regarding amal will be delivered as well.

Please be advised that anyone of the following:

Janab ___________
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will be contacting you to come to your home for darees. So please take out some time. Every member's home will be visited 2 times.

Shukran

May Allah Grant Our Beloved Huzurala (T.U.S.) A Long, Happy & Healthy Life Taa Roz-e-Qayamat (Ameen)
Was Salaam,
Abde Syedna TUS

'sauga dude
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Unread post by 'sauga dude » Wed Feb 09, 2011 3:05 pm

Assalam aleykum

Brother Omabharti: You are absolutely right in saying that this has become a joke. The community across the world has gone bonkers in doing these khushi ni darees. In some jamaats, there are so many darees, that there is now even a Breakfast darees (I kid you not). On the weekends, there are 4 darees in a day - breakfast, brunch, lunch and dinner. What a waste of money and man-hours.

Yes, this is a historic Milad and all that. Yes, the Dai is turning a 100. Yes, as a community, it is some cause to celebrate but at the expense of what?

We are less than a week away from Milad-un-Nabi and yet there is no mention from the jamaat of this. Prophet Muhammad (SAAW) is the single-most important person in the lives of all Muslims (I think Bohras are included in this defination, no?). Lets use simple logic because that seems to be the best that our jamaats seem to be able to understand these days. If there was no Prophet Muhammed (SAAW), there'd be no islam, if there were no islam, there's be no Dai. Even a 5 year old can understand that, right? But no, our jamaat today has ignored the Nabi and is concentrating only on the Dai and his greatness.

Imam Hussein (AS) has been forgotten too and instead his shahadat is twisted and manipulated in so many ways that that too is now a joke. On the Chelum of Imam Hussein (AS), there was no mention of the sacrifice of the Ahle-bayt but rather praise and gloating of the karam ane ehsaan of the Dai that raza was given for the waaz to be relayed worldwide.

Another new tehniyaat amal for this historic Milad Maevi (whatever that means) is 100 minutes of mataam. Of course, the 100 minutes of mataam if followed by a jamaan. Another waste of man-hours and money.

Correct me if I am wrong here but I was taught that mataam is an expression of your grief at the shahadat of Imam Hussein (AS). Yes, Bohras have been brainwashed to accept mataam as a form of prayer almost. But surely, how can mataam ever be a "gift" to Maula on his milad? 100 minutes of mataam for what? If this is not making fun of the concept of mataam and of the shahadat of the Nabi's grandson, then what else can it be?

Every madrasa child is now supposed to dress in a golden saya for the milad. Another waste of money.

The list of such wasteful khushi na amaals go on.

But what is being done for the community? Nothing. NOTHING. Apart from sitting in countless darees and doing mataam and singing praises of the greatest Dai, the community has achieved nothing. Do some community service - by this I mean things medical camps for the needy (everyone including non-Bohras), blood donation drives, helping the aged, environmental initiatives (Oh wait, the abdes will come and talk about the SOS Program where the kothar has started a "Save Our Sparrows" project and are giving out birdfeeders), building schools or clinics in developing countries etc. But instead, all that our jamaat does in khushi of the Dai's 100th milad is to have darees, do purjosh mataam and eat. Then they sit around and talk about each other's clothes that they are getting ready for the milad day and the delicacies at all the darees.

What a joke. I would be LOLing now if it was not so pathetic.

Wasalaam

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Unread post by ultofanatic » Thu Feb 10, 2011 1:17 am

When money has become the criteria, the means & schemes to get more of it have become more and more exotic, weird and unexplainable. Inexcusable things are being done in the process of creation of wealth. The basic thing is don't let the bohras go astray. Gather them around - in dareeses, majlises, jamans etc etc. And at every occasion lay out the money making traps ensconced in some vague religious shrouds so that the gullible will not suspect. Many times now, money gathering has become so open and vulgar that the cheapish reasons behind them have started to reek. But the sheep are not bothered and cannot be blamed either - after all one must have a pass ready when one reaches the gates of Heaven.

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Unread post by aqs » Thu Feb 10, 2011 6:02 am

Br. Oma,

I think you have missed out the comma from this sentence and hence the whole meaning has changed.
With the darees, farmaan from Alvazarat-us-Saifiyah regarding amal will be delivered as well.
so farmaan for darees are not from alvazaarat but farmaan regarding amal will be delivered in darees. And its very clearly mentioned that no jaman is required or the need to call any one.

b/w i cant find word Purjosh darees in the mail

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:43 am

what about Amils raza and salaam ?

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Unread post by SBM » Thu Feb 10, 2011 8:53 am

b/w i cant find word
Purjosh darees
in the mail
Br. Aqs
Pujosh was tongue in cheek comment.Pujosh in my book is excessive number and that is what is happening now.Please explain the idea behind a group of five going and doing a forced(yes if you read it says that all Jamat members should expect a call)darees to achieve WHAT?
As far as comma is missing, I did cut and paste from the letter sent to bohras in that jamat.

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Unread post by Akhtiar Wahid » Thu Feb 10, 2011 10:06 am

young bohras....are getting aware of the atrocities these kothar chamchas are doing on this naive community....believe me the more this stuff will happen the better because it will make people think.....n When people will start thinking and reading....they will question....and when the questions will arrive in their coconut shell.....it will start getting stiffer and strong, and when this happens in the coming 100 years our bohra brothers will be counted as proper muslims....Islam which prophet mohammed had brought in.

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:59 am

AK are you one of the youth ?

Well I pray the Abde youth like the Egyptians wake up....

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Unread post by aziz » Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:00 am

dream on and on ,the more you hate him the more we will be with him

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Unread post by ghulam muhammed » Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:23 pm

aziz wrote:dream on and on ,the more you hate him the more we will be with him
Just like the Pharaoh, Nimrud, Xerxes and other despots. They had more and more fan following but history shows that it was more out of neccesity, fear and social obligation rather then love and truthfulness.

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Unread post by Husain taher » Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:24 am

Kumayl bin Ziyad Nakha'i
says that once Imam Ali put his
hand in his hand and took me to
the grave-yard. When he passed
through it and left the city
behind, he heaved a sigh and
said "Kumayl, these hearts are
containers of the secrets of
knowledge and wisdom and the
best container is the one which
can hold the most and what it
holds, it can preserve and
protect in the best way.
Therefore, remember carefully
what I am telling you. Remember
that there are three kinds of
people: one kind is of those
learned people who are highly
versed in the ethics of truth and
philosophy of religion, second is
the kind of those who are
acquiring the above knowledge
and the third is that class of
people who are uneducated.
They follow every pretender and
accept every slogan, they have
neither acquired any knowledge
nor have they secured any
support of firm and rational
convictions. Remember, Kumayl,
knowledge is better than wealth
because it protects you while you
have to guard wealth. It
decreases if you keep on
spending it but the more you
make use of knowledge the
more it increases. What you get
through wealth dis- appears as
soon as wealth disappears but
what you achieve through
knowledge will remain even after
you.

Source: al-islam.org/masoom/sayings/saying5.html

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:03 pm

"Kumayl, these hearts are
containers of the secrets of
knowledge and wisdom and the
best container is the one which
can hold the most and what it
holds, it can preserve and
protect in the best way.
I am sure he was talking about deep knowledge Hz Ali RA had stored in his heart.
Where is that Knowledge? Why did he not put it on paper? He had 25 years to do it. Why is Ummah bereft of this special knowledge?
third is that class of
people who are uneducated.
They follow every pretender and
accept every slogan, they have
neither acquired any knowledge
nor have they secured any
support of firm and rational
convictions.
al-islam.org should reflect on this.

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Unread post by asif786 » Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:35 pm

Muslim First wrote:
"Kumayl, these hearts are
containers of the secrets of
knowledge and wisdom and the
best container is the one which
can hold the most and what it
holds, it can preserve and
protect in the best way.
I am sure he was talking about deep knowledge Hz Ali RA had stored in his heart.
Where is that Knowledge? Why did he not put it on paper? He had 25 years to do it. Why is Ummah bereft of this special knowledge?
third is that class of
people who are uneducated.
They follow every pretender and
accept every slogan, they have
neither acquired any knowledge
nor have they secured any
support of firm and rational
convictions.
al-islam.org should reflect on this.
Br MF

The knowledge is all there but first you will have clean your heart and remove all najasat and boogs e Ali ibn Abi talib a.s but unfortunately this will never happen. Have you forgotten the hadith i am the city of knowledge and ali is the gate??

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:28 pm

Muslim First wrote:
I am sure he was talking about deep knowledge Hz Ali RA had stored in his heart.
Where is that Knowledge? Why did he not put it on paper? He had 25 years to do it. Why is Ummah bereft of this special knowledge?
MF,

you are as extreme in your provocation of shias as many of them are when they indulge in abuse of the companions of the prophet. you both abundantly deserve each other. by stooping to their level, you are not doing yr credibility any good at all either. they expose their total ignorance, you your blind dogmatic mindset, a typical lakeer ka fakeer.

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:49 pm

The knowledge is all there but first you will have clean your heart and remove all najasat and boogs e Ali ibn Abi talib a.s
Where is that knowledge? Which book written by Hz Ali RA contains it? incredible posted similar stuff regarding writings os Ali and other shia Imams. When asked about one specific book by Ali he "retorted go to Kum"'

Is there a secrete or imaginary library in Kum or other city which houses this knowlwdge.
first you will have clean your heart and remove all najasat and boogs e Ali ibn Abi talib a.s
How do you know 90% of Ummah's heart houses this "najasat and boogs e Ali ibn Abi talib RA"?

In order to worship somebdy you have to buy their claptrap. I always say. "Pirs do not fly it is Murids who give them wings"

Bahais baught writings of Bahaulla and walked away from Islam. Kadianis baught claptrap from Mirza Gulam Ahmed and formed their Islam and still worshipping Allah SWT as told by their Huzur who happens to be descentent of Mirza.

Shias have different lines and everyone claims to be on true path. I have no problem in your belief that 1000+ year old Mhedi (I can't put a.s. behind his name) will return from cave or whereever he is residing and bring salvation to this world. Just calm down .

You have your belief and mainstream Islam has their own.

Like you we fast
Like you we pray 5 times but separate 5 times
Like you we go to Hajj
Like you we have kalema but we do not currupt it by making somebody Wali

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Unread post by Muslim First » Sat Feb 12, 2011 1:54 pm

Br Zulfikar

IA I will restrain myself

JAK

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Unread post by Al Zulfiqar » Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:14 pm

Muslim First wrote:Br Zulfikar

IA I will restrain myself

JAK
MF,

i appreciate your humility. please continue to be a good muslim in the same mold as the prophet who was extremely tolerant, broadminded and loving, even of his enemies. you have been given a second life by the will of Allah, please do not fill it with anger and hatred for ignorant fools and become one yrself, but reflect on HIS infinite mercy and the generosity of the prophets towards non-believers.

i pray for your long and healthy life. take it easy brother.

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Unread post by ozmujaheed » Wed Feb 16, 2011 6:50 am

Abdes so much similarities ..including biryani rice ?

http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/wo ... 6007090405

and we may also get a naas to the 53rd !