Tragedy in Pydohnie

[SBM]

A building crashed in Pydhonie, Mumabi and 4 people dies, any information about the building and the victims. If they are Muslims, May Allah rest them in peace and give place in Jannah.and if Non Muslims, forgive their sins

[S. Insaf]

The building was very old and it was under repair and the residents (all Muslims) were ask to vacat. They vacating it and this incident happened.

[labbaikyaHussain]

many more such accidents will be prevented by the noble cause of syedna about uplifting bhindi bazaar area.

[SBM]

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Let us hope they fulfill their promises, great project if implemented fully instead of creating few towers around Raudat Tahera and make it tourist Ziyarat of Raudat Tahera (Hope they are not trying to create Mecca like surrounding around Raudat Tahera with towers having direct access to Raudat Tahera and then forget about the rest telling people going to Raudat Tahera has same sawab as going to to Ummrah Nauzubillah) if history is anything , one has to look for the project of Saifee Technical High School at Daud Baugh. Even Saifee Hospital is not standing up to the promises . It is the hospital by the rich, for the rich and to the rich. Even Saifee High School in Pydhonie which used to be great school has now become unaffordable to our community as it has been converted to English School for elite of Non Bohras.
BUT I AM READY TO GIVE THEM BENEFIT OF DOUBT AND HOPE THEY FULFILL AND PROVIDE THE REAL SERVICE TO COMMUNITY.
LET US HOPE AND PRAY

[S. Insaf]

Oma you are right. We all wish a good life for the Bhindi Bazar residents. Crowded Bhindi Bazar's condition is worsted ever since the huge and vast Roza Tahera was built in the mist of population, which was new trend as all earlier Dais are buried in cemeteries. I do not understand why Syedna Burhanuddin Saheb would have chosen to bury his father in a place like Bhindi Bazar which he is now trying to improve.
Is it an effort to correct his past blunder? Whatever it is let’s pray the change happens peacefully. This pray is must as there lot of resentment and ferment among those residents whose buildings are demolished and they are neither given any agreement in writing nor the proper alternate accommodations.

[ghulam muhammed]

If one recollects the days of curfew in the 90's after the bomb blasts in mumbai, one would remember that there was no help from the zaadas of saifee mahal who were busy with their aiyashi in their airconditioned palace but the only person who took the trouble of bringing tempo loads of foodstuffs and delivering it to the bohras in bhendi bazar was Qureshbhai saab, son of the late mukasir Salehbhai saab.

[stranger]

Kudos to Ms/Mr. Oma and Mr. Insaf for looking at the brighter side of coin and supporting the noble cause somewhere..
Appreciated...

[stranger]

If one recollects the days of curfew in the 90's after the bomb blasts in mumbai, one would remember that there was no help from the zaadas of saifee mahal who were busy with their aiyashi in their airconditioned palace but the only person who took the trouble of bringing tempo loads of foodstuffs and delivering it to the bohras in bhendi bazar was Qureshbhai saab, son of the late mukasir Salehbhai saab.

Dear Ghulam,
During US invasion on IRAQ, the situation was worsen and people were struggling with WAR situation..Indian Emabssy put their hands up saying we can not accomodate the people for more than 15 days..The Dawoodi-Bohra Faiz took the responsibility of free accomadation and food for indian citizen and that too for as long as one wants to...irrespective of their Religion, caste and community.

[ghulam muhammed]

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Dear Ghulam,
During US invasion on IRAQ, the situation was worsen and people were struggling with WAR situation..Indian Emabssy put their hands up saying we can not accomodate the people for more than 15 days..The Dawoodi-Bohra Faiz took the responsibility of free accomadation and food for indian citizen and that too for as long as one wants to...irrespective of their Religion, caste and community

This is news to me. If at all they have done what you mentioned above then it is worth appreciating, although I have my own doubts looking at the pathetic condition of poor bohras in India. It is like "deepak tale andhera".

[S. Insaf]

By and large the common Bohras are still very nice and caring people. I personally have no issue with them. It is Syedna Saheb's greedy and exploitative administration which corrupting the situation in the community and making it more and more insensitive of human sufferings. Ever since Syedna Saheb has started taking credit of Bohras philanthropy and enterprising skills in order to make use of the community for the welfare and glory of his family, the Bohras like Dahodwala and Hamid’s have become sycophants and have stopped caring about the sufferings in their own town of origin and their own community members. Gone are days we used to find scores of Peerbhoys, Maskatis, Jeevanjis, Moriswalas, Dholkawalas etc in the community.

[guy_sam2005]

Oma you are right. We all wish a good life for the Bhindi Bazar residents. Crowded Bhindi Bazar's condition is worsted ever since the huge and vast Roza Tahera was built in the mist of population, which was new trend as all earlier Dais are buried in cemeteries. I do not understand why Syedna Burhanuddin Saheb would have chosen to bury his father in a place like Bhindi Bazar which he is now trying to improve.
Is it an effort to correct his past blunder? Whatever it is let’s pray the change happens peacefully. This pray is must as there lot of resentment and ferment among those residents whose buildings are demolished and they are neither given any agreement in writing nor the proper alternate accommodations.

Syedna(tus) doesnt need ur prayers...keep the prayers for yourself...ull need them..........

[SBM]

Guy Sam
Syedna(tus) doesnt need ur prayers...keep the prayers for yourself...ull need them..

In your haste to criticize you mentioned the above, if it is the case how come Syedna in Ashura Waiz and other Waiz has asked all Mumineen to pray for his long life and when he was suffering from ill health, he asked everyone to pray for recovery.
Everyone needs prayers (during those Waiz,to his credit Syedna did invite everyone to attend Ashura even those who left the fold)

[ghulam muhammed]

Syedna(tus) doesnt need ur prayers...keep the prayers for yourself...ull need them..........

If he doesnt need prayers then why the marathon matam and the countless darees and 2 rakat namaz by all and sundry abdes ?

[bohra_manus]

Guy Sam
Syedna(tus) doesnt need ur prayers...keep the prayers for yourself...ull need them..

In your haste to criticize you mentioned the above, if it is the case how come Syedna in Ashura Waiz and other Waiz has asked all Mumineen to pray for his long life and when he was suffering from ill health, he asked everyone to pray for recovery.
Everyone needs prayers (during those Waiz,to his credit Syedna did invite everyone to attend Ashura even those who left the fold)

I am surprised that Syedna saheb invited even those who left the fold, without an e-jamaat card entry into waiz hall is not possible, that means either Syedna saheb has no idea that e-jamat card have become a requirement or his invitation is bogus.
Any abdes care to comment?

[SBM]

without an e-jamaat card entry into waiz hall is not possible,

Where I reside, they do not ask for E Jamaat card for entry to Markaz and yes I was invited through a committee members by the local Aamil to come to Ashura Waiz and I did attend it without any hassle and they did accept my donation for Ashura Niyaz without giving me any hard time.
The only difference is my local Aamil will not perform my last rites or any of my family's other function till I become regular Saabil paying and Wajebaat paying Abde to his demands

[guy_sam2005]

Guy Sam
Syedna(tus) doesnt need ur prayers...keep the prayers for yourself...ull need them..

In your haste to criticize you mentioned the above, if it is the case how come Syedna in Ashura Waiz and other Waiz has asked all Mumineen to pray for his long life and when he was suffering from ill health, he asked everyone to pray for recovery.
Everyone needs prayers (during those Waiz,to his credit Syedna did invite everyone to attend Ashura even those who left the fold)

Your prayers might be ok..but insaaf's prayers r not needed for sure.moreover he is more likely to pray for ill health rather than good health..............expecting honest prayers from him is like expecting a pig to be hygenic.........
He writes to huzurala(tus)on every occassion but all his letters are more likely to increase divide rather than not.........

[guy_sam2005]

oma,
When huzurala asked for mumeneen to pray he meant us dawoodi bohras.who believe him to be our dai-ul-mutlaq unconditionally...............whose love for him is genuine without any conditions attached............
and moreover huzurala(tus) didnt ask to pray for him when he was not well..mumineen did it out of their own will without any compulsion..........................that all u guys will never understand..........

[stranger]

Where I reside, they do not ask for E Jamaat card for entry to Markaz and yes I was invited through a committee members by the local Aamil to come to Ashura Waiz and I did attend it without any hassle and they did accept my donation for Ashura Niyaz without giving me any hard time.
The only difference is my local Aamil will not perform my last rites or any of my family's other function till I become regular Saabil paying and Wajebaat paying Abde to his demands

Nowhere they asks..
They will check if ur sabeel is clear or not...and they will deny only, any of ur function.
Because you didnt clear ur dues, they will not put hinderance in functions of your other family members.

[SBM]

Because you didnt clear ur dues, they will not put hinderance in functions of your other family members.

that is fantasy world you are talking about...Seems you live in dreamland or you must have some very deep pockets or high contacts. even some of the members from other side have agreed that local Aaamils have put hinderance and in one of the post Hussain_KSA has described what his family went thru..

[stranger]

that is fantasy world you are talking about...Seems you live in dreamland or you must have some very deep pockets or high contacts. even some of the members from other side have agreed that local Aaamils have put hinderance and in one of the post Hussain_KSA has described what his family went thru..

I do Agree they Put hinderance But its limited upto only YOU..Its not like that If you will not clear ur dues, they will not perform functions of your brother or sister or else family member..OK.

[accountability]

Why should they put hindrance to any for any. It is their duty to perform religious rite for whoever has taken misaq. Just because some one has not fulfilled their monetery obligation should not be the cause to deny religious rites. Actually according to our faith misaq na saheb is obligated to help those in thier religious oblligation who has given him misaq. In misaq there is no mention of sabeel or wajebat etc.

[stranger]

Why should they put hindrance to any for any. It is their duty to perform religious rite for whoever has taken misaq. Just because some one has not fulfilled their monetery obligation should not be the cause to deny religious rites. Actually according to our faith misaq na saheb is obligated to help those in thier religious oblligation who has given him misaq. In misaq there is no mention of sabeel or wajebat etc.

Yaa..I agree with you accountability..This is a wrong practise and should be stop.

[guy_sam2005]

In your haste to criticize you mentioned the above, if it is the case how come Syedna in Ashura Waiz and other Waiz has asked all Mumineen to pray for his long life and when he was suffering from ill health, he asked everyone to pray for recovery.
Everyone needs prayers (during those Waiz,to his credit Syedna did invite everyone to attend Ashura even those who left the fold)

I am surprised that Syedna saheb invited even those who left the fold, without an e-jamaat card entry into waiz hall is not possible, that means either Syedna saheb has no idea that e-jamat card have become a requirement or his invitation is bogus.
Any abdes care to comment?

People unlike u who does really wanan come will put a lil efoort in gettin a e-jamaat card,safai chitti etc etc and also realise that they should have done that long back without listenin to ppl like u

[guy_sam2005]

Why should they put hindrance to any for any. It is their duty to perform religious rite for whoever has taken misaq. Just because some one has not fulfilled their monetery obligation should not be the cause to deny religious rites. Actually according to our faith misaq na saheb is obligated to help those in thier religious oblligation who has given him misaq. In misaq there is no mention of sabeel or wajebat etc.

Misaq is based on 7 deaamat
valayat
taharat
salaat
zakaat
saum
haj
jihad

[SBM]

Guy Sam
And where does it say about Sabeel and Wajebaat ( Zakat is only small part of the Wajebaat and most of the Aamils are more interested in knowing the amount of Najwa to Dai Zaman-Dail Mutlua and Mukasir and do not really care if you put a very small number of Zakaat on the form)

[accountability]

Furthermore the wajebat form they fill in such a way, that they just put amount at the bottom, no amil asks you if you are paying zakat, he is most intrested in whatever most amount he can get from you. He does not ask you if money you are paying is legal, or have you paid proper taxes on your income. In india pakistan and most asian countries, people do not pay taxes, which they should.
Jamat claims to make us good citizens of each country, good citizenry will require you to pay taxes, they should be emphasising on it. On the contrary Jamat itself indulges in bribery, money laundering, tax evasion by creating phoney charitable organizations, which I have proofs.
In pakistan they just transfered crores of rupees through via via on 100th milad. Was it legal.

[bohra_manus]

People unlike u who does really wanan come will put a lil efoort in gettin a e-jamaat card,safai chitti etc etc and also realise that they should have done that long back without listenin to ppl like u

Mr. Guy_Sam,
Have you even been to clear your dues in Amils office in the Western Hemisphere?
Have you been through the arbitrary amount slapped on you as Sabil and Wajebaat?
If there is a dispute, they do not accept your dues which makes you ineligible for the above?
It is like you do as we asked you or get out of our club.

[guy_sam2005]

Guy Sam
And where does it say about Sabeel and Wajebaat ( Zakat is only small part of the Wajebaat and most of the Aamils are more interested in knowing the amount of Najwa to Dai Zaman-Dail Mutlua and Mukasir and do not really care if you put a very small number of Zakaat on the form)

Have you seen the form personally?Plz see it while paying then we will discuss....allrite......................i dont expect insaaf like posts atleast from u...........

[guy_sam2005]

People unlike u who does really wanan come will put a lil efoort in gettin a e-jamaat card,safai chitti etc etc and also realise that they should have done that long back without listenin to ppl like u

Mr. Guy_Sam,
Have you even been to clear your dues in Amils office in the Western Hemisphere?
Have you been through the arbitrary amount slapped on you as Sabil and Wajebaat?
If there is a dispute, they do not accept your dues which makes you ineligible for the above?
It is like you do as we asked you or get out of our club.

Idont deny...it does happen if u are unlucky that ur aamil is some1 like SK but then those ppl are just a phase.......bad times do go away..............

[SBM]

Have you seen the form personally?Plz see it while paying then we will discuss....allrite......................i dont expect insaaf like posts atleast from u...........

To your answer YES not only I have seen the form personally but I have filled it myself, signed it and submitted it and Can you please explain what did I say incorrectly about the form which portion do you disagree?
Why are we discussing the Wajebaat form we are discussing what you posted

Misaq is based on 7 deaamat
valayat
taharat
salaat
zakaat
saum
haj
jihad

Where does Sabeel or Najwa payment are one of deaamat of Misaq so why deny anyone's rites for non payment of Sabeel as outlined by Br. Accountability