Scholarly Article on Lisaan Al Dawat

[murtaza2152]

This is a Scholarly Article on Lisaan Al Dawat by
Aliasger Madraswala , Harvard University

http://www.2shared.com/document/D25rzoc ... Dawat.html

[blackstallion]

This is a Scholarly Article on Lisaan Al Dawat by
Aliasger Madraswala , Harvard University

http://www.2shared.com/document/D25rzoc ... Dawat.html

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[murtaza2152]

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[blackstallion]

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[murtaza2152]

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[blackstallion]

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[profastian]

I have downloaded it too. The link is working just fine...

[Hussain_KSA]

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[Admin]

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[blackstallion]

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[bohri]

I am suspicious of the authenticity of the article's relationship with Harvard University. There is no Logo, no date, no reference (eg PHd Dissertation) or reason and so have submitted a question to the University.

Any one of us can write some gibberish, put a prestigous university name in the title and claim it as original. Only Abdes would fall for such tricks!

Will post the response if I get any!

[Muslim First]

From Linkedin
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/aliasger-ma ... /9/869/77b

Aliasger Madraswala (al-Anwar)
Research Assistant/Academic Liaison at Aljamea-tus-Saifiyah

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Aliasger Madraswala (al-Anwar)'s Overview
Current •Research Assistant/Academic Liaison at Aljamea-tus-Saifiyah
Past •Research Assistant at Harvard University

•PITF at Harvard University
Education •Harvard University
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Aliasger Madraswala (al-Anwar)'s Experience
Research Assistant/Academic Liaison Aljamea-tus-Saifiyah
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September 2008 – Present (2 years 7 months)

Research Assistant Harvard University
Educational Institution; Higher Education industry

December 2007 – June 2009 (1 year 7 months)

Urdu/Arabic researcher for the Carnegie Foundation 'Islamopedia' initiative at Harvard University.

PITF Harvard University
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June 2008 – September 2008 (4 months)

Course website development.

Aliasger Madraswala (al-Anwar)'s Education
Harvard University AM, Indo-Muslim Culture, Islamic Studies
2007 – 2008


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Aljamea-tus-Saifiyah FJ, Islamic History, Fatemi
1995 – 2005


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[Aarif]

Bohri,

Common suck it up.. Not everything that bohras do is fake and ridiculous. Learn to appreciate good things in life...

[bohri]

Bro Aarif,

So the fellow was a Research Assistant at Harvard - good for him. This white paper still does not appear to have any endorsement from the University. The name has been used in vain - much like the degree that was conferred on one of the BS Shezadas - allegedley from Madras University.

The paper itself is as enlightening as can be expected from a Jamia-tus-Saifiyah scholar - shallow, childlike and nothing but another vehicle praise for the Dai and his father.

This paper tries to justify the new language... It says "..The foremost purpose of Lisan al-Dawat is to enable the Dai to transmit Ismaili concepts and doctrines to the community through an understandable medium..." Why not teach the masses the real medium ie Arabic - instead of creating a half baked one!!

As I said before, only Abdes will buy this - in fact I can see them revering the paper this article is printed on, framing it, kissing it... doing everything but trying to understand it or recognising the fakeness of it.

I especially love the conclusion " ....In this way a community's language is inherently linked to its language.." wah, wah... what insight.. who would ever have guessed?

[truebohra]

Change the name of Author to S.Insaf or any other proggy cornie & lo the entire proggys in thier pond will start jumping with ecstasy.

[labbaikyaHussain]

Bro Aarif,

So the fellow was a Research Assistant at Harvard - good for him. This white paper still does not appear to have any endorsement from the University. The name has been used in vain - much like the degree that was conferred on one of the BS Shezadas - allegedley from Madras University.

The paper itself is as enlightening as can be expected from a Jamia-tus-Saifiyah scholar - shallow, childlike and nothing but another vehicle praise for the Dai and his father.

This paper tries to justify the new language... It says "..The foremost purpose of Lisan al-Dawat is to enable the Dai to transmit Ismaili concepts and doctrines to the community through an understandable medium..." Why not teach the masses the real medium ie Arabic - instead of creating a half baked one!!

As I said before, only Abdes will buy this - in fact I can see them revering the paper this article is printed on, framing it, kissing it... doing everything but trying to understand it or recognising the fakeness of it.

I especially love the conclusion " ....In this way a community's language is inherently linked to its language.." wah, wah... what insight.. who would ever have guessed?

now u have a problem with mere research paper tut tut tut

[Aarif]

The paper itself is as enlightening as can be expected from a Jamia-tus-Saifiyah scholar - shallow, childlike and nothing but another vehicle praise for the Dai and his father.

Can you please tell me what did you find childish like in this paper? Honestly this is a decent attempt by someone to explain what lisan-e-dawat is. Many people on this forum have asked questions on lisan-e-dawat in the past and nobody has explained it this well.

This paper tries to justify the new language... It says "..The foremost purpose of Lisan al-Dawat is to enable the Dai to transmit Ismaili concepts and doctrines to the community through an understandable medium..." Why not teach the masses the real medium ie Arabic - instead of creating a half baked one!!

What's wrong with that? I don't think the reformist are against lisan-e-dawat as a language. If they are than that's news to me. Because a language is always choice of people. Arabic is an alien language for bohras assuming that most bohras live in South-Asian countries. Not only bohras majority of Muslims all over the world do not speak Arabic. So why expect bohras to do that?

As I said before, only Abdes will buy this - in fact I can see them revering the paper this article is printed on, framing it, kissing it... doing everything but trying to understand it or recognising the fakeness of it.

This is completely out of context and unneccessary as far this paper is concerned.

[Al Zulfiqar]

bro arif,

i dont know why you are coming down like a ton of bricks on poor bohri. he does have a valid point. i too have my doubts whether this guy and his paper are really done in collaboration with harvard university.

i went through a couple of pages of this lengthy article quite impartially and to be honest found it hard to believe that such a paper would be allowed to be published by harvard with their name on it. there are too many spelling and grammatical mistakes, syntax errors, far too much repetition and highly exaggerated and unsubstantiated claims for it to raise natural doubts. i would personally like to believe in the integrity of this article and its author. i have therefore called harvard university's media relations and publicity deptt and attempted to make enquiries. i have left my contacts and hope to be called back. I have mentioned that since the prestigious name and credibility of their prestigious institution are involved, we would like to ascertain the veracity of said article and its author who claims to be associated with them.

will keep you and all those interested posted on the outcome.

[profastian]

bro arif,

i dont know why you are coming down like a ton of bricks on poor bohri. he does have a valid point. i too have my doubts whether this guy and his paper are really done in collaboration with harvard university.

i went through a couple of pages of this lengthy article quite impartially and to be honest found it hard to believe that such a paper would be allowed to be published by harvard with their name on it. there are too many spelling and grammatical mistakes, syntax errors, far too much repetition and highly exaggerated and unsubstantiated claims for it to raise natural doubts. i would personally like to believe in the integrity of this article and its author. i have therefore called harvard university's media relations and publicity deptt and attempted to make enquiries. i have left my contacts and hope to be called back. I have mentioned that since the prestigious name and credibility of their prestigious institution are involved, we would like to ascertain the veracity of said article and its author who claims to be associated with them.

will keep you and all those interested posted on the outcome.

And where has it been written that Harvard has published it? The author is a Harvard scholar, that doesn't mean that Harvard published it. And please point out the exaggerated and unsubstantiated claims . I couldn't find a single one.

[bohri]

Thanks AZ

P-stan

And where has it been written that Harvard has published it?

Then why put the name "Harvard University" in title? It is there for only one reason and that is to deceieve people into believing that there is some world reknown recognition of this language and therefore give it legitimacy!


Aarif

Because a language is always choice of people

I agree and Kothar should pushing this new language down the Abdes throats.

[truebohra]

Thanks AZ

P-stan

And where has it been written that Harvard has published it?

Then why put the name "Harvard University" in title? It is there for only one reason and that is to deceieve people into believing that there is some world reknown recognition of this language and therefore give it legitimacy!


Aarif

Because a language is always choice of people

I agree and Kothar should pushing this new language down the Abdes throats.

The proggys cranium is only deep enough to hold shit served by S.Insaf & others of thier like and undestandably the article has ovefflown out of thier capacity

[Aarif]

i dont know why you are coming down like a ton of bricks on poor bohri. he does have a valid point. i too have my doubts whether this guy and his paper are really done in collaboration with harvard university.

Bro AZ,

Only for two reasons.
1) The article does try to explain the basic concept behind lisane-dawat which to me made some sense.
2) I agree with you that its NOT certain whether this is an authentic Harvard publication OR not. However, my point is that this guy can be definitely from Harvard. Just because he is an abde does not mean he cannot go to Harvard.

In short its a good attempt on lisane-dawat by an abde from Harvard... Case rested